Shabtai Adlersberg
Analyst
Right. So yes. First, yes, we have approached the $100 million level in SBC. That's a number. I don't have here with me, the right split between so for an hour. But again, I want to urge you to change a bit the way it's being perceived. Guys, listen, all of our hardware was developed seven, 10 years ago. Okay. It's 1000 million 800 [ph], a long lists of hardware products. But that is something that was developed. And we do not engage in it. Just to give you an idea that out of 350 employees in R&D, there are about 15 guys in hardware, all doing fixes and the flag issues, et cetera. And the load is one load. We do release a new workload every seven to nine months. And that's basically a load that's going to be sitting on everything, both into virtual machines that's running on public clouds, on data centers, and then running on top of hardware. On hardware, that new servers that were designed several years ago, but still the customer pays for the intellectual property, the SBC naturally for the hardware. So, all-in-all, I think as time goes by -- and one more by the way, very important point to make. When you're talking about data centers at premises and/or in the cloud, you talking about software. And this is what we sell. We sell virtual software. However, when you go to offices, when you go to branch offices, which every large company has, there's no way. If you want to optimize cost and efficiency for those branch offices, you need to use a hardware device. That's how the device is going to include a firewall, a router, and SBC switch and few more. So calling this an SBC hardware is really doesn't make sense. It's all about software. So that's the way you should look upon it. And I'm not mentioning the gross margin, but you can bet that the gross margin on the hardware and software combined is very, very high, north of just throw a number, north of 80%, 85%.