Earnings Labs

aTyr Pharma, Inc. (ATYR)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Mar 14, 2022

$0.79

+0.22%

Key Takeaways · AI generated
AI summary not yet generated for this transcript. Generation in progress for older transcripts; check back soon, or browse the full transcript below.
Transcript

Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to aTyr Pharma Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. It is now my pleasure to hand the conference call over to Ashlee Dunston, aTyr’s Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Ms. Dunston, you may begin.

Ashlee Dunston

Analyst

Thank you and good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss aTyr’s fourth quarter and full year 2021 operating results and corporate update. We are joined today by Dr. Sanjay Shukla, our President and CEO; and Ms. Jill Broadfoot, our CFO. On the call, Sanjay will provide an update on our corporate strategy, including our clinical program for efzofitimod and our research and discovery programs in neuropilin-2, including our preclinical program for ATYR2810. Jill will review the financial results and our current financial position before handing it back to Sanjay to open up the call for any questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that except for statements of historical facts, the statements made by management and responses to questions on this conference call are forward-looking statements under the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements. Please see the forward-looking statement disclaimer in the company’s press release issued this afternoon as well as the risk factors in the company’s SEC filings and included in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and in other SEC filings. Undue reliance should not be placed on forward-looking statements which speak only as of the date they are made, as facts and circumstances underlying these forward-looking statements may change. Except as required by law, aTyr Pharma disclaims any obligation to update these forward-looking statements to reflect future information, events or circumstances. I will now turn the call over to Sanjay.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst

Thank you, Ashlee. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2021 results conference call. 2021 was a milestone year for aTyr, which culminated in clinical proof of concept for our lead therapeutic candidate efzofitimod, which was formerly known as ATYR1923 and validation for our tRNA synthetase biology platform. The positive results reported from our Phase 1b/2a study on efzofitimod in pulmonary sarcoidosis suggests that this novel immunomodulator has the potential to be a transformative disease-modifying therapy for patients with this and other fibrotic lung diseases with high unmet need. We have carried this momentum into the start of 2022. The receipt of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or FDA orphan drug designation for efzofitimod for sarcoidosis underscores the significant unmet need for new patient treatments for these patients. And our positive end of Phase 2 meeting with the FDA has provided a path forward to initiate a planned registrational study of efzofitimod that will incorporate their feedback. Preparations for this study are underway, and we are on track to initiate the study in the third quarter of this year. We also remain on track with the IND-enabling work for ATYR2810, or 2810, our lead anti-neuropilin-2 or NRP2 antibody. And we expect to initiate a Phase 1 study in cancer patients in the second half of this year. Importantly, the strength of the proof-of-concept data for efzofitimod provided the opportunity to generate the necessary capital to carry out the planned registrational trial, which we expect to be the highest value-driving catalyst for aTyr yet. We ended 2021 with approximately $108 million in cash and our strong balance sheet positions us well to advance our clinical programs and progress our pipeline in the year ahead. As we begin, I will summarize a…

Jill Broadfoot

Analyst

Thank you, Sanjay. I’m happy to report that we ended 2021 with $107.9 million in cash, cash equivalents and investments. This includes net proceeds of approximately $80.6 million phased through a public offering in September 2021, a milestone payment received from our partner, Kyorin, and use of our equity vehicles. On the expense side, research and development expenses were $23.3 million for the year ended 2021, which consisted primarily of product development costs for the efzofitimod and 2810 programs. Program costs for efzofitimod included preparation for the upcoming planned registrational trial in pulmonary sarcoidosis, which included manufacturing of clinical trial material and initiation of technology transfer activities with FUJIFILM Diosynth Biotechnologies. Program costs for 2810 included costs related to IND-enabling activities and the initiation of manufacturing activities with Lonza. General and administrative expenses were $10.8 million for the year end 2021. This included an increase in the number of employees as we prepare for the efzofitimod plan registrational trial in pulmonary sarcoidosis and a Phase 1 clinical trial of 2810 in cancer. Common shares outstanding were 27.8 million and fully diluted shares were 29.2 million as of December 31, 2021. For 2022, we expect an increase in expenses as we prepare to initiate two clinical trials. In addition to clinical trial costs, we will continue to incur manufacturing expenses for the tech transfer to FUJIFILM and additional clinical trial material manufacturing costs for both efzofitimod and 2810. We expect some of those expenses to be offset by a potential double-digit milestone payment from Kyorin, which is based on certain clinical development goals that we expect to achieve this year. With our current and projected year-end cash position, along with a clean balance sheet, we feel like we’re in a strong position to carry out our key catalysts for this year. Now I’d like to turn the call back over to Sanjay before we open it up to Q&A.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst

Thanks, Jill. Overall, we’re delighted with all that we achieved in the past year, generating clinical proof of concept for a lead therapeutic candidate, efzofitimod, which also validated our tRNA synthetase platform and NRP2 as a target. We progressed IND-enabling activities for 2810 and continue to use our tRNA synthetase engine to generate new targets and signaling pathways that warrant further exploration as potential pipeline candidates. We invested in manufacturing for both efzofitimod and 2810 to assure the necessary clinical trial material to support future studies. And we raised valuable capital that shored up our balance sheet and puts us in good position to continue to advance our programs. With the receipt of the orphan drug designation for efzofitimod for sarcoidosis and the positive end of Phase 2 meeting with the FDA, we’re intending to initiate a planned registrational study in the third quarter of this year. Our partner, Kyorin, in Japan, will join the study, and we expect upcoming clinical development activities for efzofitimod this year to yield a milestone payment, adding to the $10 million received thus far under this licensing agreement. We’re also on track to initiate our Phase 1 study for 2810 in cancer in the second half of this year, which will put us with two newly initiated clinical trials for this year, which we expect to serve as key value drivers for aTyr in the years ahead. We appreciate your interest and continued support. At this time, Jill and I will be happy to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Ken MacKay with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ken MacKay

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the progress. First question is on 2810. As you’re moving that into the clinic, are there any indications or sort of broad classes of oncologic indications that stand out as potentially the most amenable to treatment, whether solid or liquid tumors or are there any biomarkers that could potentially be indicative of a higher likelihood of response based on your preclinical data? And then second question is on efzofitimod, and just wondering what the final steps are towards a – the Phase 3 design finalized and implemented as we get a little bit closer to Q3? Thanks, and congrats again.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Kennen, for the question. So your first question about 2810, we’re very much anchored to solid tumors. And there was quite a bit of literature early on, which is why we targeted neuropilin here that neuropilin-2 was basically associated with some really poor prognosis in some pretty aggressive forms of cancer, triple-negative breast cancer, lung cancer, also renal cell, neuroendocrine phenotypes. So we really focused on solid tumors first and foremost, and we are now looking at those particular tumors where we’ve seen 2810 most effective in our preclinical animal models. So what I’ve said here is we’re focusing on those neuropilin-enriched tumors. It appears as though when resistance starts to develop for many of these cancers to current agents, we may be able to look at how neuropilin is further expressed, perhaps as a resistance mechanism. And this is the sort of work that we’re currently going to be highlighting at AACR coming up here next month. So I would say stay tuned here as we get closer to an indication. But just based on historically what you’ve seen here, we see some really nice effects of 2810 in solid tumors, expect this next indication to be a solid tumor that is enriched with a neuropilin signature. We continue to look at other biomarkers right now to hone in on which tumor types are most responsive. And we’re doing so in a very sort of systematic data-driven manner so that once we launch the Phase 1 trial, we expect 2810 to demonstrate hopefully good objective response in whatever subclass of solid tumors we go after. So stay tuned there. I think that’s work that’s nearly – we progressed quite a bit here in the last couple of years, and nearly complete. To your second question around efzofitimod, really, at this point, Kennen, we’ve taken the feedback from the FDA, there was a significant amount of feedback. One of the most productive meetings I’ve ever had in my career as a drug developer, very collegiate, very collaborative. And I think we are going to now be able to – we have a clear understanding on how to prioritize the endpoints, the design of this trial, the statistical modeling and the assumptions. And this will now be submitted as part of an IND package. Once we actually receive approval, that’s the time for us to sort of then really get into all of the details. I want to allow the FDA the ability to approve what they told us to go after. No reason, I think sometimes biotech companies can jump the gun here, and we don’t want to annoy our partners at the FDA. We feel pretty good about following the path that they have sort of mapped out for us around with their guidance. And I expect a successful IND here in the short future.

Ken MacKay

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ted Tenthoff with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks very much for the update. Appreciating what you were just saying and that there is still a little bit of follow-up to have with the FDA for the Phase 3 trial design. I’m wondering if you can give us a sense for what the doses or how many doses might be included in the registrational study. Would this go back to doses that were evaluated in the Phase 1b/2a? Or could this even look at potentially higher doses? Thanks.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hi, Ted, good question there. So we are thrilled with the efficacy that we observed certainly with 5 milligrams, but also with our 3-milligram cohort. And this was something that we discussed with the FDA. I think there was very much a viewpoint from the agency that we saw robust clinical efficacy in 3 milligrams as well. So I think the guidance was perhaps I’m paraphrasing here, but don’t give up too soon on 3 milligrams. So this will allow us to look at 3 and 5. I think one thing to remember with the biologic there is always that concern that if you keep pushing the dose higher, will you find some kind of off-target effects. We’ve unfortunate pre-clinically on human primates, healthy volunteers, this study to have good very good, consistent tolerability and no issues. But as you can imagine, when you get into a larger trial, there is always that potential. We think by adding perhaps a 3-milligram arm into the next trial in addition to 5 milligrams we will be able to de-risk the program even further because it effectively gives us another shot on goal. In the event that we do see anything develop in 5 milligrams, 3 may be a very effective dose. And this happens quite a bit with biologics. So we like both of those two doses. To your question about going higher, we have done some post-hoc modeling with a very, very well-known clinical pharmacology group we are very, very confident that we’ve achieved EMAX at this point. And as we pointed out, the 5-milligram effects we see here are still above and beyond the threshold of what is clinically important, we really think we have a winner certainly at that dose. If you look at our 3-milligram data too, we also are beyond the clinical thresholds of improvement, meaningful improvement there as well. So both of those, we took that feedback to heart. And I think it’s a smart way of approaching the next trial.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Yes, really helpful. I appreciate that color. And maybe just a quick follow-up. So how big of a safety database is the FDA looking for or how many patients do you think you might need to enroll per arm with the control? Thanks.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Yes. So that’s another great question. I mean my general view is the safety database, the FDA, for most indications, they like around 200 patients that have had long-term exposure. It’s what I’ve always been trained in drug development team for that number within rare disease, it can be sometimes hard to get to that number. Remember, we thus far have experience human data, north of 30, 40 patients, if you even go back to our healthy volunteer trial. So in this next trial, for example, if we were to have these two doses going forward you might actually have, say, closer to 150 patients exposed in a trial that might be out to a year. You add that to the 30 or 40 patients that we previously have exposed to efzofitimod, we’re getting closer to that safety database. This is another reason why it’s good to also look at another dose in the next study. It adds to the body of evidence that your drug is safe and well tolerated. And then you can basically say, well, what does the efficacy look like between 3 and 5? Because both of them performed outstandingly in our last trial.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

That’s really helpful. Thanks, Sanjay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Zegbeh Jallah with ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Zegbeh Jallah

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. Just had couple of ones here for you. I think the first is just about whether or not for efzofitimod, you will need to go lower than 3 milligrams just because you mentioned leading to determine whether 3-milligram was the minimum efficacious dose. So could you maybe have to exploit 2 milligram, for example?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

No, I think at this point, having tested 3 and 5, both observed as safe and both showing really nice activity in our previous trial, we’re going to go with what works. And I think that’s primarily what the discussion was with the FDA. I think those are the two doses to anchor on as we think about the next trial.

Zegbeh Jallah

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Sanjay, I’ve asked this one before, but I was just wondering if there was any change to the strategy around the patient population being enrolled into the study, meaning disease severity, because I think one of the key things that you wanted to do with the last study was make sure the patients weren’t too far gone, meaning too fibrotic. So is that the same intent here to go after that same patient population and have using very similar enrollment criteria for the next study.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Yes. Yes, that’s a great question. And again, we want to stick to what’s working, right, not tinker too much with the outstanding results we had last time. But you’re right, from a rationale perspective, trying to get the patients that have a bit more inflammation, a bit less fibrosis. We’re able to actually disease modify these patients a little bit easier. So we will be putting criteria similar to what we had in our last trial. You might see a few more patients come in. One of the things we’re discussing is potentially lowering the threshold of entry. When you go to Japan, other parts of the world, a heavier dose of prednisone might be 7.5%. So this could also be something that we’re thinking about in certain sort of areas of the world where practice might be a little bit different. The other thing to remember is we had the signal of patients getting to zero. So that’s really, really gotten a lot of patients interested to get involved in our trial. If you’re sitting there at, say, 8 milligrams a day and you’ve been taking that for the last decade, why shouldn’t you maybe have the opportunity to try to get all steroids. That’s the kind of patient population that I need to listen to potentially get involved in our trial. But on the whole, we will be looking for a phenotype that is highly inflamed, not yet very, very much scarred having that sort of end-stage sarcoidosis. And I think in a worldwide trial, we also have to think about how treatment is slightly different in different parts of the world, depending on practice patterns there. So stay tuned for that. I’m really excited to get the details out as soon as we get the green light post an IND approval.

Zegbeh Jallah

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Thank you. And I’ll just double my last questions here. I think the next one is for Jill. So you have a really strong cash balance. But I was just kind of wondering, in terms of the milestones, Kyorin – do you expect to receive another most of the payment when you start the Phase 3 study, and apologies if you’ve already mentioned this. And then the subsequent part about that is whether or not Kyorin, which is recovering expenses associated with Japan, will they be helping with additional expense and sent bill also de-leveraging some of the data in the U.S. and perhaps elsewhere as well? And then the last one, it’s for 2810 I just wanted to clarify what’s needed to kind of pin down the timing of the IND. So you generally said second half of 2021. I was just wondering what are some factors driving that? Is it difficult to determine the indication? Is it the manufacturing component? What’s driving that fluidity in the timing of the IND. Thanks again and congrats on the progress?

Jill Broadfoot

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Zegbeh, I’ll take the Kyorin questions. With regards to the milestone, so we received $10 million so far. We aren’t allowed really to talk about the specific milestone triggers per se, but it will be related to the initiation of the Phase 3 trial in their territory. So that, we are looking forward to. Hopefully, they’ll be joining the trial soon after we initiate in the third quarter. And then when they do initiate their trial costs, like you said, they are paying for all of their trials. And they aren’t paying for anything in the U.S. So that’s completely separate. And we are able to structure the clinical trial so that we have kind of a good distinction between those two but what they are also paying for is the clinical trial material that they will be using in Japan. And that’s a cost plus basis. It’s just a small markup. But that will be another way where we will be able to generate a little bit of income in that third or fourth quarter of this year.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

I’ll take your 2810 questions, Zegbeh. I mean, really – we want to get the efzofitimod trial launched and on the track really nicely and launched that really first. We’re prioritizing that. And then with regard to 2810 I think what you’re going to see is a start to that trial shortly thereafter. Right now, we’re coalescing on indication selection. I think some of the academic work we have coming out there is going to give you a better indication around the types of solid tumors we’re targeting there. So I would just say that right now, we’re excited to have two clinical trials really launched this year. And I think it provides a real view for investors to start thinking about these are the programs that are going to drive future value here for us at aTyr.

Zegbeh Jallah

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Sanjay. And looking forward to the data at AACR?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Me too. Thanks for the question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Yale Jen with Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

Yale Jen

Analyst · Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions and my congrats to you guys as well. Just got two here. The first one is for Sanjay that you did mention about the functional end point during your prepared remarks. Are you suggesting or potentially that will be the primary endpoint to be considered for the Phase 3 study or are we reading into too much of that and still to be determined?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

No. We know the following feedback from the FDA, what I can tell you is steroid reduction was a big discussion that we had. And I think you read some of the comments from Dr. Baughman that there was a real appreciation that this, in many ways, may be the most meaningful endpoint for patients and providers. We also know FVC has been used for the IPF drugs to get approved. But there’s an understanding that IPF may not – FVC may not be best moved in a really nice direction, steroid reduction, FEC improvement, symptom improvement. So, I think we had a sort of a bevy of opportunity here for the FDA to guide us. We have taken that guidance. We have now written a protocol and as I have said stay tuned here. But what I can maybe highlight here is how impressed everyone has been around the ability to reduce and potentially even get off steroids. That could really change treatment paradigm for really millions of patients worldwide who suffer from fibrotic lung disease. We are really the first as I have said therapy that show jumps physiologic and QoL effects, while also reducing steroids. And I think that is something that has the experts worldwide wildly excited about this as a therapy in the future.

Yale Jen

Analyst · Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

Okay, great. That’s very helpful. Maybe one more follow-up here, which is during earlier year – early part of this year, you guys have suggested that you guys also want to explore in other ILDs. Just curious what’s your thought at this moment in terms of potential timeline on that? And it seems there is two type of ILDs that maybe most relevant to you guys at this moment. And any preference or any color on that front?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

Appreciate the question. Yes, we have demonstrated really nice animal efficacy data in scleroderma ILD and also pneumonitis models. So, as you are aware, we believe the therapy can be useful in those indications as well. And patients do actually suffer from scleroderma-related interstitial lung disease and chronic hypersensitivity pneumonitis. As a small company, we are prioritizing Efzofitimod right now for pulmonary sarcoidosis. Those are indications we can consider potentially in the future. But as of now, for this year, we are really focusing on the phase – this next phase trial for efzofitimod and launching 2810 in cancer. That’s what our plan is for this year.

Yale Jen

Analyst · Laidlaw & Company. Please go ahead.

Okay. Great. That’s very helpful. Again congrats on the progress.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Joe Pantginis with H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Hi guys. Good afternoon. A couple of questions. So Sanjay, you have gotten this question already in, I guess three iterations so far and about the design of the pivotal study. So, I guess I would ask it this way. I certainly agree with you that a lot of biotechs in the past have jumped the gun regarding discussions or talks with the FDA. But based on your experience, I would certainly think that you wouldn’t have put up that press release unless you already had the minutes in hand. So, I guess I would talk to the minutes that have been published, if you will. And I guess ask, are there any open discussion about the end points about what might be the primary?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

It was a major part of our discussion. We received great guidance, and we know how to basically set up the hierarchy now. So, it’s pretty definitive. Again, I am going to let the FDA give us the green light on everything that we discussed. But you got to be careful about putting this all out kind of in a press release. As I said, we know the end points which are prioritized. We understand the duration of the study. We have modeled the study now. You are going to see a study that statistically, we are not going to cutting the corners here. We are going to empower it adequately so that when we hit that P-value once the study reads out, we will have, obviously, then a productive discussion around efzofitimod’s ability to move to the patients. So, what I can tell you is endpoints have been prioritized, length of the trial. I have mentioned the 3-milligram and the 5-milligram lean to move those two forward. It will be placebo controlled worldwide. And I think just from an i.e., criteria, we want to stick to what worked in the previous trial and try to replicate those findings.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

I understand. Thanks. And then just one question, sticking with pulmonary sarcoidosis and then a quick one on 2810. Is Kyorin doing anything in the – or what, if anything, is Kyorin doing in the background while they are now other than, say, like manufacturing ramp up or their own clinical trial preparedness ahead of the pivotal study.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, Kyorin is going to obviously have their discussion with the Japanese PMDA and that will follow very quickly here prior to them launching in Japan. So drug product, we control that. We have drug supply. Unlike many biotechs, we invested quite a bit in manufacturing during the pandemic. We are glad we did that because right now, CDMOs are pushing most biotechs out 6 months, 12 months, 18 months. So, I am glad I am not reporting that kind of delay between starting the next trial. They, in fact purchase material from us at a small premium. So, really for them, it’s about getting that regulatory green light similar to us. And then in a staggered manner, they would start to trial opening up centers in Japan and enrolling patients there.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Got it. And then just on 2810, I just I want to make sure I heard correctly or if I misheard you. When you said about completing the IND for 2810, I think I heard you say about selecting an indication for the Phase 1, is that correct, or is this more of a all comers in solids that might have the target expression?

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Yes, I think that’s the key question, Joe, there that when we submit that protocol for that IND, what is that – what does the design of that trial look like? And right now, we are honing in on which – if it is a basket trial, which exact solid tumors enrich with Neuropilin that we want to include in that trial, or do we want to get a little bit more aggressive and focusing on one or two tumor types. So, that’s the discussions we are having currently right now with our scientific advisors in the company and some of our Board members who obviously have a lot of oncology experience. But that’s a program that as we start to put out more data here at AACR, you are going to start to see which indications we are sort of bucketing. And then the data is going to tell us which – where we should go. As you know, we are a data-driven company. We follow the data to the outstanding results we had with efzofitimod. We are running the same playbook here with 2810.

Joe Pantginis

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Hartaj Singh with Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Hartaj Singh

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. Thanks for the questions. Sanjay, Jill everyone, really, really nice update. I just got a few questions, just go through them quickly. Sanjay, I know you got to win when I ask the 18th question on the primary end point. It’s not a primary endpoint question, but – let me put it another way on the pivotal study. If you were, could it be possible, for example, to have an endpoint analysis to a primary where you have steroid reduction, let’s say, over 24 weeks and then FVC for the full readout. So, meaning that you could show a steroid reduction over 24 weeks for over the placebo arm or the control arm get approval an interim on that and then read out the full study for a full approval. Is something like that even possible in pulmonary sarcoidosis. And then I just got a couple of questions follow-up.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Well, I like your question, Hartaj. It’s a very – you should come into our clinical development strategy meetings. I like that. Our statisticians would love some of these ideas. One thing about doing interim readouts you give up some of your alpha when you do things like that. I am not sure necessarily if I would agree with that element of it. However, if you think about our trial, having three people getting off steroids, DSMB could certainly look at the risk benefit. And certainly, in our next trial, we have a number of patients getting off steroids that might be a better way for us to perhaps look at things in the interim. But again, I don’t want to get into that yet until we actually put out the design. But I like the way you are thinking about things here with regards to an objective and a subjective endpoint. So, steroid reduction, FVC, those two endpoints are going to play key roles here in the hierarchy as we start to actually design our next trial, because I think those two start to represent a pathway in my mind for a drug label that’s really meaningful here. Patients really want to reduce their steroids. Providers want to get people off steroids. FVC is another way for them to also look at that objectively to look at lung function. We are fortunate in our trial that we saw the kinds of reductions, 58%, 49% with our two top doses and FVC improvement more than 2.5%, we had 2.8% and 3.3%. That kind of improvement has not been observed in this area of lung disease really ever, maybe for 15 years here. And as I mentioned, none of this has ever been observed in a trial where we also are reducing steroids. So, I think we have something really profound here with efzofitimod, bare with me with the primary endpoint. As I said, once we launch that protocol, you will start to get a view on that hierarchy.

Hartaj Singh

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Yes, I don’t know – that’s great, Sanjay. And like you say, I mean just a great, great data set you had last year and continue to do so. Just a quick question on commercial, I know like kind of maybe getting ahead of ourselves, but you have been doing a lot of work you and the team educating investors and I think reaching out the patient and physician community on steroid reduction, on pulmonary sarcoidosis in a variety of venues. Can we expect that those sort of activities to ramp up over the next 12 months to 24 months as you get ready to start the pivotal in Phase 3? And then I have one last question after that.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Well, absolutely. We have always thought this market is a $2 billion to $3 billion a global market opportunity for efzofitimod. We – our numbers are rather conservative when you compare them to what others think, especially some of the numbers when you think about ILD that big pharma has. This is a space where steroids, patients need to get off steroids. We need to do better than steroids. Steroids are not helping with that progression of fibrosis. So, efzofitimod right now has the most advanced therapy closest to the market has the ability to tap into this kind of market opportunity, $2 billion to $3 billion. And that includes not only sarcoidosis, but other fibrotic lung diseases where right now if we need something better outside of IPF. Even within IPF, those patients, remember, are just sort of keeping their lung function just as they, but they are progressively getting worse. There has been quite a bit of interest with our data set to also potentially look at efzofitimod in those patients that are flaring have inflammatory response. So, we feel really good that efzofitimod is going to play an important role in fibrotic lung disease for years to come if we can actually get this drug approved. And as I said, the market opportunity is something that is large. We will be talking a lot about – a lot more about it as we get closer to the market here over the next year or 2 years.

Hartaj Singh

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Great. Sanjay, thank you. And then last question, I don’t want to front line your ATS data, and I am sure you don’t want it either. But look, between the data readout last year and now you have had the time to talk to the FDA, you have had time to talk to patient representing groups, clinicians, patients. I am sure you spend a lot of time looking at the data and how people have felt about it. What are the things that usually want us to try to pay attention to, not specific data points at ATS, but what is it about ATS that from all of you are talking to patients, clinicians, regulators that really kind of excites you as you head into that conference? And again thank you for all the questions.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Yes. I think as a preview to ATS, the point here is our therapy I think now will really be – when you are in an earlier clinical trial, you are not sure novel agent, what is it going to do. But now that we are the furthest advanced therapy, and we have seen efficacy just across the board, steroid reduction, force vital capacity improvement, symptom improvement, inflammatory biomarkers also well controlled, very, very well controlled by 3 milligrams and 5 milligrams. It’s a consistency of response. Now we just got to show that durability in a longer trial – in the next trial. And I think what you are going to see from experts out there in the field is how can efzofitimod really be a frontline therapy for not only sarcoidosis, but for really all fibrotic lung disease. Because steroids, as I said before, on more academic calls with some of the experts, steroids are poison, in 40 years or 50 years, we will be looking back at the medical textbooks and talking about it as though why did we give this poison to patients with all the cardiovascular metabolic effects, the health economics of steroids are horrible for patients, the day-to-day quality of life. So, we think we have a real winner there. And then wrapping it all up, make sure the drug is safe and thus far, we are tracking really well with that with the last couple of years of work. So, I think it’s going to be a real coming out moment for efzofitimod. If we can launch at American Thoracic Society, we expect to receive quite a bit of buzz from the medical community because we know how important it is to have a game-changing therapy for these patients.

Hartaj Singh

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you, Sanjay. And really I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over back to Mr. Sanjay Shukla for closing remarks.

Sanjay Shukla

Analyst

Great. Well, great questions today. I know there is a lot of interest. We are right around the corner here from hopefully really getting this, as I have said, getting this trial on track here in the third quarter, initiated. Just a few more things to accomplish here with our friends at the FDA, but great questions today. I appreciate the interest, and we really look forward to keeping you up-to-date here in the coming months. Thanks again, everyone.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.