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Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 15, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Astronics Corporation Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Deborah Pawlowski. You may begin.

Deborah Pawlowski

Analyst

Thanks Ciarmoli and good afternoon, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in Astronics. On the call here with me are Pete Gundermann, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Dave Burney, our Chief Financial Officer. You should have a copy of our third quarter 2022 financial results, which we released just after the market closed today. If you do not have the release, you can find it on our website at astronics.com. As you are aware, we may make some forward-looking statements during the formal discussion and the Q&A session of this conference call. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from what is stated here today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the release and with other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find those documents on our website or at sec.gov. During today's call, we will also discuss some non-GAAP financial measures. We believe these will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of non-GAAP measures with comparable GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's release. So, with that, let me turn it over to Pete to begin. Peter?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst

Thanks Debbie, and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for tuning in to our call. Our agenda, as usual, will be mostly focused on a discussion of the recent quarter, the third quarter of 2022, and we will close with some forward-looking predictions for both the fourth quarter and an initial look at 2023. I'll start and then I'll pass it over to Dave, and then I will finish up again. So, when I look at the third quarter, I mean there's a -- at its basic -- at its most basic, there's a bad negative headline and there's a pretty good headline. The bad headline is that the revenue ramp that we expected to begin in the third quarter was delayed. We did not get the ramp that we anticipated. The good news is that demand during the quarter in terms of bookings continues to be really strong, which sets us up again for a step change that we think is underway in the fourth quarter here in terms of volume and will carry into 2023. So, first, let's talk about the delayed revenue ramp, the negative headline. In my view, the third quarter was essentially a miss fire, like a full start in a race. We start -- we would see revenue of about $150 million. Instead, we ended up at $131 million. That delay led to a reset of our second half expectations and was mostly driven by a combination of supply chain problems and program delays about 50/50. It also had the effect of delaying the expected ramp from the third quarter into the current quarter, the fourth quarter of 2022. So, a little detail on supply chain problems and program delays. The supply chain struggles are well documented, everybody's experiencing them. I don't plan to go…

David Burney

Analyst

Thanks Pete. While our sales continue to improve, we continue to experience margin and cash flow headwinds as well as $4.6 million of what I call atypical costs in the quarter. Consolidated sales increased to $131.4 million and was led primarily by continued growth in the recovering commercial transport market, which was up 36% compared with last year's third quarter and up 13% sequentially from the second quarter. General Aviation sales increased by $2.6 million to $14.8 million due to increased volume, primarily of our antenna sales and enhanced vision systems into that market, while military aerospace sales decreased by $4.6 million to $12.5 million due primarily to a reduction in non-recurring engineering revenue compared with the prior year. Test segment sales increased by $3.2 million to $19.3 million and was driven by increased instrument test and transit test volume. Despite this top line growth, we continue to struggle with our margins. The sales increase of $19.6 million compared to the previous year's quarter. Historically, we would expect to see 40% to 45% of that sales increase or about $8 million or so drop to operating profit. But we didn't see that. We saw our operating loss from operations actually increased by $9.8 million from a loss of $4.5 million to a loss of $14.3 million. So, here are some of the items and the headwinds that happened during the quarter compared to a year ago. Continued high level of spot buys to source inventory. This is estimated to cost us about $4 million during the quarter. We expect these types of buys to continue, but to wind down as we move through the next 12 months as supply chain improves. We have several atypical costs that do not -- we do not expect to continue to be recurring in…

Peter Gundermann

Analyst

Okay. So, for the rest of this -- for now, I'd like to suggest that you turn your attention to the bar chart on the last page of the press release. I'm going to talk about this a little bit to explain kind of where we've been and where we're going as a company through the COVID period here. And what you have there, hopefully, you're looking at a color version rather than a black and white version. But for each of the quarters from the first quarter of 2020 through the last quarter, third quarter of 2022, the bar on the left or the green bar, if you're looking at is our bookings for that quarter and the blue bar at the bar on the right, is our shipments. I'm going to first focus on the left bars or the green bars, the booking trends. And you can see that when the lockdown happened in the first and second quarter of 2020, our bookings went off a cliff, and we basically went from $165 million, $166 million down to $60 million. And then it climbed back kind of quickly, but to a reduced level at a plateaued right around $120 million for three quarters. That was largely a period of restricted travel and lockdown work from home, all that stuff. You might remember from COVID. Then about a year ago, in the third quarter of 2021, when those lockdowns were lifted, demand took off. First narrowbody. We're not talking about it a whole lot on this call, but we're seeing many signs of increased widebody travel also these days, which is very exciting. And bookings took off up to $160 million, $180 million in the last quarter at $184 million. So bookings, again, bouncing back pretty quickly, especially over…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Jonathan Tanwanteng with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I was just wondering, does the inventory that you've built give you that confidence to shift to your revenue guidance? Or do you -- are you still waiting on parts that could push out things towards the end of the quarter?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst

Are you talking about the fourth quarter, Jon?

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Yes, correct.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst

We think we have pretty good line of sight to inventory for the fourth quarter. There are a couple of hotspots. There always are. And we're working those pretty aggressively. But our internal target is at the high-end of that range or just beyond it. And so, by putting that range in there, we think we're giving reasonable allowance for material problems that could still pop up. But at this point, we're obviously pretty well into the quarter and we're encouraged that we're on track so far. So, we think we're all right.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay. Great. Dave, I was wondering what your new estimate of when you might achieve breakeven just on a pretax income or a cash flow basis, just given the inflation underlying, the push out of the ramp and obviously, your expectations for how the refinancing might play out?

David Burney

Analyst

Yeah. I think our quarterly GAAP pretax breakeven points in the neighborhood of $160 million when the spot buys go away. We experienced $3 million or so in spot buys this quarter. So with those, I'd say our GAAP breakeven point is probably about $165 million right now with those spot buys.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just any best estimate for what's left to complete the refinancing? What are the items left and kind of the time that you think it will take?

David Burney

Analyst

Well, our target is to get something done before year-end here. We're working with a couple of options there in terms of -- it's still basically the same structure we talked about before with a combination of an asset-based loan that's supported by working capital, receivables and inventory and the term loan that would be supported by real estate and machinery and equipment, same basic structure there. And target is to get it done as soon as possible. And I'm confident we'll get something done in the first half of December, but the -- if you read through the amend and extend -- the amendment we just did, it's highly in our benefit to get something done sooner rather than later. So, it's -- I'm confident we'll get something done in December here.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay. Great. Good luck. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Michael Ciarmoli with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good evening guys. Thanks for taking the question. Dave, maybe just to stay on the credit facility. What -- and you mentioned the EBITDA levels on a trailing basis. It sounds like you won't be EBITDA positive in the fourth quarter, but what sort of the bank definition of EBITDA, what was sort of the bank defined EBITDA this quarter? And how do you -- it just sounds like there's going to be a challenge to get to a sustaining EBITDA level here?

David Burney

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

I would say that we will be cash or EBITDA positive in the fourth quarter. So, our forecast has us being compliant.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Even though you just said -- breakeven?

David Burney

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Michael, with that we wouldn't have entered into an amendment that we were forecasting to not be compliant with.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's just -- yes, I just haven't seen one of these take this long. So, I would imagine the EBITDA levels are a bit of a challenge, but -- okay. And then what -- I mean, Pete, you gave a pretty detailed analysis of kind of the color on the bookings. So, within the bookings, I mean, what are you seeing for near-term production rates? That underlying to 2023, I mean, supply chain obviously, maybe a little bit better, still challenges. We've got some other big suppliers, say the engines and supply chain is going to last all year. But what are sort of the underlying rates that's anchoring this guidance?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

You mean for the OEM production rates?

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah.

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. I mean, they're pretty much as published. I mean, Boeing has us running on a 28 to 30 units a month on 737 MAX. And business jet volumes are not going down. They're going up. Military volumes are pretty easy to predict. The take rate on a lot of our cabin electronics product lines like in-seat power and wireless access points, things like that, which are optional in the narrowbody world are pretty strong. They're trending to like 70% or so of new aircraft production, both at Boeing and Airbus. So that definitely helps. And I hinted that the widebody resurgence is actually very beneficial for us. I mean before the pandemic, half our commercial transport sales were widebody versus narrowbody. Narrowbody has bounced back with the resumption of domestic short-haul travel. And predictions even 10 months ago were that a lot of the widebodies that were parked in the desert would never come back, but they are. And they are because demand is coming back, too. I'm particularly encouraged by some of the recent news out of China, but as a major driver of international long-haul travel and half of the world's largest airlines are Chinese, and they have been running at like 5% of their pre-pandemic international route structure. So, we think those trends are pretty positive. The products of ours that go into widebodies are definitely picking up. So, it's not just production rates that drive our business. Half of our commercial transport sales pre-pandemic were aftermarket. So, we're encouraged by 737 MAX getting back up to rate. We're encouraged by -- hopefully 787 getting back into production, but we're not dependent on those necessarily to see some kind of resurgence in demand. Certainly, what we're seeing, at least in the widebody world is more aftermarket driven than line fit.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Got it. And then just last one, maybe just Dave again. Free -- expectations and just thinking about, I guess, it sounds like there's obviously working capital, which a lot of companies are experiencing. Some of that should unwind. But just thinking, I guess, about the puts and takes. I mean, it sounds like that facility is going to be over 11%. I guess, if you draw on that. So, just how should we think about free cash flow or even conversion as we look into 2030?

David Burney

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

We will turn to cash flow positive as we move through the year.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Okay.

David Burney

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

We saw this big buildup of inventory through the last six or nine months. We do expect the inventory build to wind down and actually decrease our inventory levels as we move through next year. That's going to provide a little bit of a tailwind there, along with the top line growth and the margin that comes from the top line growth there. So, we are forecasting to move through the year. The first quarter will probably be -- or we this quarter there next year. But as the sales grow there and we wind down the inventory. I expect the cash flow from operations to pick up significantly, especially in the second half of next year.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Okay. Perfect. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line again from Jonathan Tanwanteng with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, Pete. Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just wondering within the guidance that you have laid out for next year over those brackets, how much on FLRAA and Army radio business have you included in there? And if you haven't, how quickly could those start becoming a tailwind for you, assuming that you win FLRAA, of course?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

There -- Jon, I couldn't hear your question specifically. Was it how much FLRAA is in there for next year or FLRAA and 4549, is that what you're asking?

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. I assume that you have some 45 -- I'm sorry, the Army radio, I don't remember the number, but -- if it's not yet?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. We have -- it's a risk reduced number. I would say between the two of them, it's somewhere in the $20 million, $25 million range for next year.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Got it. And then …

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

So, we think there's pretty significant upside potential there, especially on the 4549/T, depending on how the Army chooses to execute the program.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Understood. And just a question on pricing. You said -- you mentioned that there are some of these programs out there that are one to two years away from having your contracts reset. Is there no chance of going back to your customers and repricing of those just based on the level of inflation that you've been seeing. I have to assume that you're basically taking a negative margin on these projects at this point, which doesn't sound very sustainable?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Well, no, I wouldn't say that that's a -- the long-term contract nature of our business in general isn't that big a concern with repricing. There obviously are some products that are better priced than others, and we are working to address that. But a fair amount of our product portfolio is turns relatively quickly. So, like one year, a year and a half, something like that. And those -- in some cases, we're being quite successful repricing them. And we have a situation where we can make a delivery. But in order to do so, we got to pay a big premium for a certain component. We, in many cases, are going out to customers and asking them to cover that and they're doing so. And in other cases, we're choosing to bite the bullet and do it ourselves or in the interest of keeping customer relationships cordial. But it's going to take time for all of that to work itself out and we're definitely not ahead of the cost increases. We're responding to them like most companies. So, it's downward pressure, but we are doing what we can, where we think we can to kind of get out in front of it and respond to it.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst · CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Michael Ciarmoli with Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, thanks Pete. Just to stay on the pricing, what are you seeing with the current bookings on the aftermarket side of the business? I mean, do you have picked an airline customer, do you have some flexibility to increase the price on whether it's break-fix type work or if they are doing some retrofits. I mean, are you getting some reasonable pricing there?

Peter Gundermann

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah. I would say we're pretty comfortable with the prices that we're getting. Most of what we're dealing with where we have pressure our older price levels that have been in place in the system for a while. But a lot of the more recent demand we think comes at pretty reasonable pricing levels. The other thing I would say about our backlog and the range of bigger programs that we've announced, they're not in there yet. I mean, they're just not there. We talked about a pretty major award with Southwest. I think at the end of the third quarter, we had like 10 ship sets in there or something like that. So, there's a lot of that to come. 4549/T is obviously not in there. And some of the others -- not going through the whole list, I guess we feel like if we can get the volume up and get the new programs into production, our margin profile will look quite a bit better than it does today, where we're stuck with these inventory premiums that we have to pay, spot buys and pricing from six months or a year ago when things were different. So, we, obviously, have to cycle that through. But I think we'll get that done. It's just a matter of time.

Michael Ciarmoli

Analyst · Truist. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. Perfect. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to Peter Gundermann for closing remarks. End of Q&A:

Peter Gundermann

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, and thanks everybody for tuning in. We look forward to talking to you at the -- when the fourth quarter is over, probably in early February. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.