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Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 21, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to AptarGroup's 2019 Fourth Quarter and Year-End Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Introducing today's conference call is Mr. Matt Dellamaria, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications. Please go ahead, sir.

Matt Dellamaria

Management

Thank you, Lisa, and welcome, everyone. Participating on our call today are Stephan Tanda, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Kuhn, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Secretary. You can find a copy of our press release as well as the slide presentation that summarizes our results on our website. We will also post a replay of this conference call on our website. Today's call includes some forward-looking statements. Please refer to our SEC filings to review factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected or contained in the forward-looking statements. Aptar undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking information contained therein. I'd now like to turn the conference call over to Stephan.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Before I comment on the quarterly segment results, let me start by sharing an update on recent activities. Since the breakout of the coronavirus, our management team in China has taken very strict measures around the health and safety of our employees and we are thankful to say that to-date none of our employees have been infected with the virus. We do not have any operations in the Wuhan region, but beginning in late January, we restricted employee travel to and from China and have been closely tracking and monitoring the situation. We are keeping the most stringent protocols in place to keep our facilities in pristine conditions. Prior to the reopening of our operations after the mandated Chinese New Year holiday period, we received special permission from Chinese government to begin production in early February in order to supply our pharma customers whose products are listed on the national emergency product list. We are, however, experiencing some labor shortages due to government restrictions on the movement of people, and we continue to update our customers with the latest supply and delivery information. We are also continuously assessing the impact that the crisis will have on our business in the first quarter and beyond. Though, it is impossible at this stage to predict the full extent of the impact. In addition to Chinese domestic retail beverage consumption, the area most at risk appears to be our prestige beauty business due to the coronavirus significant negative impact on prestige and luxury consumption and travel retail. We may see a positive impact to our business for pumps and closures for sanitizing and antibacterial products, but it is also still too early to tell. We are extremely proud of our people on…

Bob Kuhn

Management

Thank you, Stephan and good morning, everyone. I'll briefly walk through some of the details concerning our fourth quarter results, starting with slide 10. For the fourth quarter 2019, reported sales declined 2% and core sales declined 1% in part due to the passing through of lower resin costs to our customers. Reported sales had a positive impact from acquisitions of 1% and negative impact from currency rates of 2%. Our Pharma segment achieved a core sales growth of 4% and then adjusted EBITDA margin of 35%. Core sales to the prescription market decreased 3% due to a tough comparison to the previous year, where the prescription market was up 17%. Core sales to the consumer healthcare market increased 8% due to strong demand in dermal drug delivery and eyecare. This is very good growth over what was a strong performance last year, when consumer healthcare was up 21%. Core sales to the injectables market increased 15% due to strong demand across all regions, and most applications. Core sales to the active packaging market increased 13% across a variety of applications, including our Active-Blister Packaging Solution for oral solid dose drug delivery. Turning to our Beauty + Home segment, core sales decreased 5%, primarily due to customers reducing inventories, especially in the personal care market, and the negative impact from passing on lower resin costs. Beauty + Home’s adjusted EBITDA margin was 12% in the quarter. Looking at sales growth by market and a core basis, core sales to the beauty market increased 1%, primarily due to an increase in tooling sales. Core sales to the personal care market decreased 9% due to the customer destocking that I previously mentioned. Core sales to the homecare market decreased 8% due to lower sales to the air care and laundry application fields.…

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thanks Bob. So, in closing, I'd like to leave you with a few key takeaways. It was a good year for Aptar with core sales increasing 3%. We achieved an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21% for the year and grew adjusted EBITDA by 8%. It was also another year of outstanding performance by our Pharma segment, which grew 10%, driven in part by a very active year for new drug delivery launches. We also built out our pharma services platform with the acquisitions of Noble International, Nanopharm and Gateway Analytical. We partnered with two important sustainability innovators Terracycle’s Loop platform and PureCycle and we were pleased to be independently recognized by multiple parties for our leadership on key ESG topics. Our balance sheet is in great shape and 2019 was our 26th consecutive year of paying an increased dividend. Looking to the first quarter, we faced unusual demand uncertainties due to the economic impact from the coronavirus outbreak. Our pharma business is facing somewhat difficult comparisons compared to the prior year’s exceptional growth, but remains, of course, a key driver of our profitable growth. Having acknowledged near-term challenges, we are very optimistic about our long-term opportunities for growth, and we'll continue to invest in high growth areas in each of our businesses. With that, we'll open it up for your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of George Staphos from Bank of America. Your line is open.

George Staphos

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details and congratulations on the progress in 2019. Hey, the first question I had Stephan and Bob, could you give us a quick update on the business transformation progress you saw in the quarter, kind of how it helped you in the quarter and what the next milestones are in terms of 2020? And then the next question I had before the follow on is, just the destocking that's going on. I recognize that we've all been doing this for a long time, kind of track and figure out when destocking ends, is up there with finding a cure for the common cold. But when do you think this destocking is largely done? Is it done? Is it done in the first quarter? Any thoughts there. Thanks.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thanks, George. And I prefer a cure for coronavirus at the moment, but.

George Staphos

Analyst

Okay. I didn't want to go there, but …

Stephan Tanda

Management

So on the transformation, just stepping back, as a reminder, first year was really focused on top line and everything on the commercial front end of the business. They had worked well, our current situation on retaining. In 2019, we focused a lot on improvement in the factories and that has worked very, very well also amongst others, allowing us to now consolidate in North America. All the KPIs around OTF's scrap rates and so on, much improved and customers are happy again with our service levels. Also, I would say in 2019 we made good progress on the working capital, driving up our payables, working on inventories, receivables, it's always a work in progress with our huge CPG customers acting like they almost bankrupt, but forget that editorial. And then as we look into this year, fixed cost, G&A is a big part of the agenda this year. We've mentioned before we've negotiated with Works Council in Europe, which always takes some time and when executing on those actions, and of course, we've added some additional action with the North American footprint consolidation. So I think that kind of gives you the outline for the transformation. On the one hand, I feel very good, because we are executing everything that we setout to do. On the other hand, I, of course, don't feel good when I look at the results that the drop-through to the bottom line given the current demand environment is not that visible. In addition to that, the exchange rate also has changed from 120 something when we kick this off to today 108, so the exchange rate is up quite a bit of that. Now on your second question, I think when we were just looking at the destocking scenario, we said, it could be…

George Staphos

Analyst

Stephan, thanks for all of that. And I recognize the answer to this question will be generally very hard to tell. And so, give us some slack, which we will, but nonetheless, you did put out a guidance range for the quarter. So, can you give us a couple of details in terms of what's in the lower end and higher end of your range in terms of your assumptions for coronavirus? And if it's just tape, it's just a wide range and we'll take it as it comes. And that's fine too. But that's my question. I'll turn it over.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. I mean, certainly, we call it the best way we see it and with the orders we can see. We cannot account for last minute cancellations or postponements. And we certainly opened up the normal range to the downside for things that we can’t see. I think that's kind of how we went about it.

George Staphos

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Neel Kumar from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Neel Kumar

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just as a follow-up on the Beauty + Home restructuring and your margin target of 15% to 17%. How much of the opportunity going forward is independent of the top line growth? And then in terms of the consolidation of your North American Beauty + Home operations, how should we think about $20 million of cost flowing through in 2020? And how much would benefit do you expect from this?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. Let me take the first one and then maybe Bob you can comment on the second one. So, certainly, one, we're not changing our targets. We're fully committed to our targets. But it did -- assume that we have and continued to be able to grow in the 3% to 6% range for Beauty + Home, which the end market is growing. And I have no doubt we will be able to grow as well. So, having said that, clearly that's not the case at the moment. And we need to work hard to earn that growth. And partly that's by repositioning our supply capability and also repositioning, how close we are with customers, their fusion place and FusionPKG plays an important role.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Yeah. And Neel, I just want to reiterate something that Stephan has said. We believe this is the appropriate time to consolidate some of our North American factories due in part to the efficiencies that we've gained from the transformation efforts. So, we believe this is the right transaction that has an attractive payback, and we would expect that payback to be achieved over two to three years. More specifically to your question on what to expect in 2020, it's going to be minimal in 2020 and ramp up more towards the end of the fourth quarter and into 2021. But I think the most important thing -- I think the takeaway is that it's another move to modernize our Beauty + Home business to become more efficient and more agile to our customers' needs.

Neel Kumar

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And in pharma, can you just also talk about what you're seeing in terms of trends in the allergy market, both OTC and prescription? So can you give us a sense of the magnitude of the slowdown you experienced in the fourth quarter?

Bob Kuhn

Management

Well, it is doing what we said it would do is basically the overall pharma growth is reverting more to a normal range, maybe towards the bottom end of the range for this year. And the allergy rhinitis business is -- certainly, there's some excess inventory in the chain, but I would expect to grow at the GDP kind of rate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Josephson from KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Stephan, Bob, Matt, Good morning.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Morning, Adam.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Morning, Adam.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Morning. Stephan or Bob, I know -- I'm sure George is trying to get at this. Maybe I'll try it a different way. So, your 1Q guidance is $0.85 to $0.93, if coronavirus didn't exist and your customers were no longer destocking, is there any way for you to give us a sense of how much higher roughly, if not precisely, that range would be?

Stephan Tanda

Management

We were shaking our heads. Those are a lot of hypothetical. I would -- but kind of point you back to our published targets for most of the business. Certainly, we still have work to do in Beauty + Home margin and Food +Beverage China, but certainly much closer to our published target.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Yeah. I mean -- Adam, I mean, if you think back to October last time we spoke, right, we were just beginning to talk about the Q4 impact on destocking and we were speculating, is this -- this could continually be a two-quarter phenomenon, right? We had no idea on the horizon really to what magnitude that was going to impact Q1. And then as you get into this, you now add in the coronavirus. So, it's difficult to parse out exactly. We didn't have a real solid prediction for Q1 prior to the coronavirus. That's why we're kind of shaking our head. It's difficult for us to separate what those two were. Because they -- the coronavirus really came on in the beginning of January, right at the time we were formulating our outlook for the first quarter.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Yeah. No, understood. And Stephan, I think you said, you may be at the low-end of your long-term target growth range for pharma for the year. I know the next three quarters have really difficult comps and the comps get a lot easier in 4Q. Can you give us a sense of what you're expecting in that regard? Do you expect to be below the range in the first three quarters and then maybe in the middle of the range in 4Q?

Bob Kuhn

Management

Yeah. If I could run the business with that precision, I would be happy. Look, I mean, just as a reminder, our Rx grew 17% previous quarters. So, on a two-year read through, not too shabby, now we clearly said that allergic rhinitis is going to slow down to a more normal pace. A lot depends how bad the allergy season is, something depends on still the flu season. So, that's why we said, hey, our range of 6% to 10%, certainly uncomfortable at the lower end of the range, but it's February. And so, we cannot give you our quarter-by-quarter play.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Sure. Yeah. Understood. And then just back to the Beauty + Home restructuring, I know Stephan you talked FX and these demand headwinds sort of have come up. Is it fair to assume that in terms of the $80 million target that you laid out a couple of years ago, you're actually on target to hit that $80 million, but there is so much -- so many other headwinds, FX related, demand related that are -- that they're just really completely offsetting all of these savings that you're getting in that business?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. The short answer is, yes. So, if we didn't do what we did, we would be that much lower. But of course, it doesn't help you nor does it help our shareholders, and we are not happy with that either. So, we are adding additional activities. The North America footprint is one of those and we're not stopping there. This business will get into its published target profitability range one way or another.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi from Baird. Your line is open.

Ghansham Panjabi

Analyst

Hey, guys. Good morning. I guess a follow-up to George's question and Adam's question. So, back to Beauty + Home. Core sales down 5% in 4Q. What are you assuming for 1Q at the midpoint of the guidance that you gave? And is the lower end and upper end of the guidance predicated mostly by -- is it mostly influenced by B&H, or is there uncertainty with segment such as Pharma as well?

Stephan Tanda

Management

I'll take that one and jump.

Bob Kuhn

Management

I thought so.

Stephan Tanda

Management

So, I mean, as we don't really give segment core sales guidance looking out into the future. But I mean, obviously, Beauty + Home is majority size wise of the business. So, the overall core sales is going to be heavily influenced by what's happening in Beauty + Home.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Yeah. I think the uncertainty you have in Pharma is what can we get out the door in China, given the supply chain challenges and the labor challenges, not so much demand related.

Ghansham Panjabi

Analyst

Okay. And I know this is a while back -- and China was obviously in a different place when SARS existed from a growth standpoint. But if you just sort of look at that playbook and the impact that it had on global travel and sort of overlaid as to what you're seeing right now. How long do you think that impact on travel retail, which is pretty big for your customers on the prestige side? What is reasonable in terms of the impact from a quarterly standpoint? Is it one quarter, two quarters -- what do you think is realistic on that channel?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. Of course, we all look to analogies and we started with the SARS analogy. But let's remember, this is 17 years ago. I was actually in China at the height of SARS. There was no travel restriction. It was -- and it was a completely different economy. It was an investment economy, no high speed train network, no domestic flight network, and no affluent Chinese consumers by the hundreds of millions. So, the reality is, this is not a good proxy. Not to scare anyone, but probably the 2008/2009 is a better proxy in terms of impact on pullback of the consumer. And if you will, in 2008/2009, two large economies in U.S. and Europe kind of took -- hit the pause button. Now it's one large economy and China hit the pause button, and the consumer is absent. So, I think a lot will depend how quickly people get comfortable getting in airplanes again. And I am not going to compete with the CDC on calling that how quickly these measures can be lightened and people gain confidence again. Certainly, then when that happens, there is a lot of pent-up demand, whatever is in your bathroom or in your fragrance bottles or premium skincare, will have run dry and people want to replenish. And certainly not all of the travel that was canceled will be done. But -- so a lot will -- pretty much everything will have to do with how quickly people get comfortable getting back on the airplanes.

Ghansham Panjabi

Analyst

Okay. And just one final one on pharma. I mean, obviously, you have difficult comps throughout 2020 year-over-year. Is the -- 4% core sales that you generated in 4Q, is that the right trend line for 2020? I mean, you cited all these new products and applications in your slide deck, but will they actually benefit 2020 in a material way, or are they sort of future opportunities? Thanks.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. Some of them do, some of them will not, that will come -- ramp up come later. It's always hard to call what is the ramp up success of the new launches and how is the experience then in the doctor's office. But I don't think I have more to say than kind of the lower end of the pharma range.

Ghansham Panjabi

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Mark Wilde from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

Good morning, Stephan, Bob, Matt.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Morning, Mark.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Good morning.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

I wanted -- just to start out, Stephan and Bob, you guys -- you talked about sort of the destocking that was taken place in the fourth quarter. And I always had the kind of the emergence of the coronavirus issues. I'm just wondering in the last four to six weeks, have you been hearing incrementally from customers, particularly in that kind of prestige area that they are pulling back even further because of fears about a kind of a travel slowdown, less duty-free sales, less kind of prestige and luxury sales?

Stephan Tanda

Management

At this stage, we're all shadow boxing. So, I can give you anecdotes for all the things that we talked about. We see people pushing out orders, because they don't think they need the product. We see people advancing orders, because they don't think they can get the product from across the ocean. We see people ordering more for sanitizer products. So, we -- anecdotes for all of this exist, but how it will work through quantification wise. It's -- I'm not that good.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

Yeah. Bob, what's your perception just comparing it to kind of 2008/2009? I remember meeting with you in March of 2009 and you -- or Steve Hagge saying there are customers we haven't heard from in five months.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Yeah. I mean, that was -- that was a little bit different, Mark. I mean that was more of a financial crisis. So, I think that time, customers were more interested in the financial viability of their supply chains. And certainly, having a strong balance sheet as we did back in 2008, was a benefit to us. So, I think there was more of a concern there that the supply base would shrink or diminish. This is a little bit different. But if we look at how the financial crisis impacted the beauty business, certainly there was some precipitous declines in Q1 and Q2 in that 20% range. Q3 was also down, but by Q4, we started to see things turnaround. But I think as Stephan said, it's really difficult to draw a good analogy to either SARS or 2008 or 2009. They are all a little bit different. But certainly, as we said in the past, on the financial side, beauty products tend to be a little bit more discretionary. I don't think this is, right now, a financial issue. It's more of a pandemic issue that everybody is concerned with.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

Okay. And then just staying on Beauty + Home. I'm just curious -- you talked about some of the restructuring that you are doing not only in the U.S., but you've done in Latin America and Asia. You didn't mention Europe. And my perception over the last probably 12 months is that you had been having some conversations with Works Councils over in Europe and that we could see some more moves there. Can you give us any color about what potentially could be in the pipeline, if at all?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Look, the discussion here with the Work Council are all about the existing projects. So, for example, we opened the shared financial service center in the Czech Republic and that is up and running and that will lead to consolidation of headcount. And we have a number of streamlining activities around overhead and in the plants, and that has been negotiated. Let me not speculate on future projects. This is not the place to have that discussion. The other one, I would highlight, in addition to kind of the consolidation, we’re, of course, also on the front foot on building out new capabilities in the fast growing parts of the beauty business. Very excited about the FusionPKG acquisition, the steps we're taking with BTY. And in general, kind of, building out more service capability in an asset light fashion.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

Yeah. Okay. Last one from me, just as kind of a follow-on. Bob, is it possible for you to help us just with the potential impact from kind of both lower resin and the puts and takes from a stronger U.S. dollar?

Bob Kuhn

Management

Okay. So, on the resin side, again, it depends on where we are in that cycle of pass through. But we did have about $4 million positive in the fourth quarter on the bottom line. On the top line though, we also get hit is about 0.5% in the Beauty + Home side, it was about 4% on the Food + Beverage side. So, the impact and the flow-through to the bottom line is going to depend on where we're at in that cycle. As far as currency, what we said in the past and it still really holds true today is that for every penny move in the euro to dollar rate, it equates to a $0.02 EPS on an annual basis. So, if you look at kind of where we were in the fourth quarter, it averaged about $1.11, and we started the first half of this year -- the first half of this quarter around $1.10 and we're trending now more than $1.08 category. So, if you kind of do that math and spread that out over -- allocate it over one quarter versus the full year, you will have a rough estimate of the comparative moves.

Mark Wilde

Analyst

Okay. Very good. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Daniel Rizzo from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Daniel Rizzo

Analyst

Hi, guys. How are you? Could you tell us what the cost is -- the cash cost is for closing Stratford and Torrington?

Bob Kuhn

Management

Again, not specifically, but it's in the neighborhood of about $20 million cash costs.

Daniel Rizzo

Analyst

I think you did mention that there is room for maybe additional -- sorry -- footprint consolidation in the U.S. When did you say that? I mean, can you kind of provide color on magnitude, or what you are looking at?

Bob Kuhn

Management

No, I think in the U.S., I think what we were referring to is other activities that we had done, such as selling our Libertyville facility to one of our contract manufacturers and things like that. But no, I don't think we signaled that there was any other further consolidation in the U.S.

Daniel Rizzo

Analyst

And then last question. Just within the Pharma segment, can you just provide color on the margins? They've been kind of trickling down over the last couple of quarters. I don't know if it's just some sort of timing issue, or if there is the mix issue, I was just wondering what's going on there?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Sure. So, I mean, I can -- if we're looking specifically Q4, you got a couple of effects. One is the mix issue, right? Rx was down and the other three segments were up. So, we know -- we've said in the past Rx has a stronger margin profile than our injectable or active packaging and our CAT [ph]. You are going to get impact on the mix. Secondly, in the fourth quarter of last year, we had a gain on propeller health, which positively impacted the Q4, 2018 margin. So, if you are looking at it, those are the two effects that had an impact on the margin comparison Q4, 2019 and Q4, 2018.

Daniel Rizzo

Analyst

All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Gabe Hajde from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Gabe Hajde

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen. Two questions. One, hate to kind of beat the dead horse here with Beauty + Home. But is there any way for us to assess on the outside world or give us comfort that this is in fact destocking? When I look at some of your actions that you guys are taking -- you talked about incremental to your transformation efforts might suggest more of a structural headwind in the segment, maybe competitive landscape or something else that changed. And then Stephan, you mentioned kind of getting to your margin target, one way or another, I'm just curious maybe if you could expand on that and then still kind of remind us of the strategic merit of having all these different businesses together?

Stephan Tanda

Management

How many questions was it? So, maybe -- let me deal with the question on the structural headwind and competitive landscape. I mean, I think what we've been talking about for quite some time is that within the Beauty + Home segment, there are faster growing categories, such as skincare and color cosmetics. And while we do have a presence in skincare, we really don't have a significant presence to speak of in the fast growing color cosmetics foundation, lipstick type of market. So, I think what you've seen is us making investments in areas that give us the capabilities to go after some of those faster growing markets. So, we call that structural or market related. The other thing is, yes, I think those markets also are operating with a slightly different business model. It's all about speed to market. It's all about innovation. It's all about design. And again, some of our strategic moves like the acquisition of BTY, like the acquisition of FusionPKG, those are all addressing that changing landscape as you said.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Then maybe to add some color still on the destocking question, as we said I think last time, there's really two factors that play. One is the destocking, two is the non-repeat, especially of the J&J baby care launch that we had last year. In addition to it not repeating, it's not doing well. So, if you want, there is an element of what horses you bet on and what they play -- how they win in the marketplace or not. Just want to remind folks that is at play here as well. Now, on your other question, of course, is one that we look at and relook at frequently or periodically. Just as a reminder, when you look at our unit operations, high precision injection molding, high speed assembly between our fragrance business, our pharma business, they're basically identical with the difference that in pharma they are in a clean room environment, with pharma quality systems and all the regulatory requirements. So, from an operational setup, there is a lot of expertise that we leverage across the company. Also, in terms of learning how to capture value, how to drive value, we do that -- we now look at bringing services capability to the beauty business is something that we learned in the pharma area. And then last not least, there will be a significant tax bill if you ever wanted to separate the businesses. And then the last point, although, depends how you look at that, and at the moment you separate the business, you've created a new competitor for the pharma business. So, we look at it, but it doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Gabe, let me add one more kind of current living, breathing example, right? If you look at after the acquisition of CSP Technologies, right, we go back, let's say, three, four years. The majority of what that business sold was to the pharmaceutical market, diabetes tester files and alike. And now what we see is applications -- very exciting applications for food safety type products. Now, we're investigating applications potentially in the beauty market around cosmetics and antimicrobial technology. So, I think that's a good example of how we focus more on the technologies and the capabilities that we have, and how we can leverage that across multiple end markets.

Gabe Hajde

Analyst

Very much appreciated for thorough answer, gentlemen. Maybe on a slightly more positive note, Bob, sometimes you give us kind of a flavor for how volumes trended by region. More specifically thinking about Beauty + Home and there has been a little bit of optimism down in Latin America. Just curious if you can give us any sense there.

Bob Kuhn

Management

Sure. So, maybe let's just start, Gabe, at the consolidated level of overall Aptar for Q4. And really all of the regions were down with the exception of Europe. So, Europe being the biggest region is what contributed to positively to Q4. So, if we look at it by segments and specifically focusing on Beauty + Home, we were down in all the markets that we're in, less, of course, in Latin America and less in Europe, more so in Asia and the U.S. And again, looking for the full year, looking out similar to the consolidated for Q4, Europe was positive for Beauty + Home, and the other regions were down slightly comparatively. And then I think we saw good growth in Latin America within our Food + Beverage categories, our Food + Beverage segment rather. And as we've been talking about, down or decrease in Asia. And then, Pharma, obviously, very strong in the U.S. and in Europe, which is where the predominance of the Pharma businesses is, and then down in the fourth quarter in Latin America, but that's off a very, very small base.

Gabe Hajde

Analyst

Thank you very much. Good luck, gentlemen.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thanks, Gabe.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Courtney Owens from William Blair. Your line is open.

Courtney Owens

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, guys.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Hey, Courtney.

Courtney Owens

Analyst

Just a question on -- hi -- on, I guess the Asia for -- like Asia made in Asia initiative, how I guess in your guys' minds are you thinking about how the coronavirus is going to kind of slowdown or potentially impact that for more of like on the manufacturing and like supply chain perspective at present? Thanks.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Well, you, of course, have the short-term and then the mid to longer term. In the short-term, I think, this is all about consumers daring to get back out on the street and going into stores, let alone travel. So, it is all about getting the consumers of one of the three major economies back consuming. Secondly, I don't think it has any impact on the longer term trend. We are moving more again to a world where regional fulfillment capability and agility is much more important. The trade wars is a little bit of a contributor to this, but also just effect of fast beauty. We need to be able to react much more rapidly, and our customers see that too that they need to react much more rapidly. Launches that used to take 18 to 24 months, and then if you really pushed it, you could do it in 12. You need to get out door in three. You cannot do that by making things across the ocean and planning the supply chain that way. That really means that we need to have key capability in each of the major regions and be flexible. May had six months delay on setting up some of these local filling capacity, because people don't like to get on a plane to do the scouting and due diligence, I think that's possible.

Courtney Owens

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. And then just like from a regional perspective in Beauty + Home as it like relates to kind of the destocking that you guys are seeing. I know that is predominantly probably in Asia-Pacific. But if you kind of break that down, is it just really in China, or kind of other markets, other key Beauty + Home market like Korea, for instance, being really impacted right now as well? Thanks.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Let me just separate out. So, actually the personal care destocking is mainly U.S. and a bit in Europe. So, I want to keep that separate, not combine it with now what the uncertainty we have around the coronavirus impact on consumption in China and in travel retail, which is heavily tilted toward Asia.

Courtney Owens

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question today will come from the line of Adam Josephson from KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Thanks so much for taking my follow-up questions. I have three unrelated ones. Bob, just a nitty-gritty one on options expense. Is it -- should we still assume that you have the same $0.06 to $0.07 hit in 1Q that goes away thereafter as has been the case in years past?

Bob Kuhn

Management

No. In fact, we've shifted more to a restricted stock model. So, I mean we stopped issuing options last year. So, no. We will have much more of a ratable expense going out quarter-to-quarter.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Okay. So, 1Q won't be artificially depressed in anyway, just for that reason. Okay. And Stephan, when you came in -- when you took over, you talked a lot about wanting to expand in Asia and specifically China. And if we look at the last couple of years, China slowed down and that was before the trade war. And then obviously, there's the trade war and now there's coronavirus. Now, you could argue coronavirus is an unusual item, if you will, and it's going to go away sooner rather than later. But the economy was slowing down well before coronavirus, as you know, do you still have aspirations to get much bigger in Asia as you did three years ago or so and why, or why not?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. Great question. Thanks, Adam. The short answer is, yes. And the reason is very simple. The demographics are overwhelming and that's not something that changes. But a very small anecdote. Some in China expect a baby boom kind of toward the end of the year. But all joking aside, the demographics overpower pretty much anything else. And so, the growth is there. And then when you look at beauty, it actually over indexes in Asia. And a lot of the growth that we've seen in our beauty business scope in Europe is really supplied to the Chinese consumer and that will not change. So, that's why BTY is the first step or one step and certainly will not be the last step. And you need to go where the growth is. And the short-term issues, it will not change the underlying trends.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Got it. And thank you, Stephan. And just one last one on the Beauty + Home EBITDA margin target. You said, you're going to hit that target some way somehow. I guess, my question is, I don't know how much cash you will need to spend to hit that target. But I mean to the extent that you are going to have to lay out a fair bit of cash to hit that target maybe it is not the best use of capital in that case. So, how do you think about hitting that target versus having to spend a lot of cash to do it and maybe not getting particularly good return on that investment?

Stephan Tanda

Management

Yeah. Look, we are very humble people. I'm not going to beat myself in the corner and say, “Hey, since I said this, I'm going to make irrational capital allocation decisions.” Clearly, pharma is not wanting for resources and every transaction and investment we look at, does it create value? On the other hand, when I look at the growth rates in the beauty business, the attractiveness of the beauty business, the competitive -- performance of competitors, I see no reason why we shouldn't get there. I will readily admit that we were banking on more growth and certainly my first priority was to get the business growing again. But if we face a prolonged period of slow or no growth, we certainly need to do more on the cost side. But those will be decisions that are rational and that makes sense and create value.

Adam Josephson

Analyst

Thanks so much, Stephan. Good luck.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Tanda for closing comments.

Stephan Tanda

Management

Thanks everybody for joining us. Looking forward to see you on the road.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.