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Atkore Inc. (ATKR)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 29, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to Atkore International Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Keith Whisenand, Vice President of Investor Relations for Atkore International. Thank you. You may begin.

Keith Whisenand

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. With me today to discuss our fourth quarter 2017 results are John Williamson, President and CEO; and Jim Mallak, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to remind everyone that during this call, we may make projections or forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of the Company. Such statements involve risk and uncertainties such that actual results may differ materially. Please refer to our 10-K for fiscal 2017 and today’s press release, which identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. Finally, when we refer to the information relating to a quarter or a year during this call, we are referring to the corresponding fiscal period. Any reference to a year is a full fiscal year, which runs October through September. With that, I’ll turn it over to John.

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Thanks, Keith. Good morning, everyone. Before we address the fourth quarter results, I want to take a few moments to review key highlights from our full year 2017 performance. As shown on slide three, for fiscal year 2017, our net sales were $1.5 billion, up about 3% when adjusted for fewer working capital days in 2017 and the unfavorable solar market comparison, or down 1% year-over-year on a reported basis. Adjusted EBITDA of $228 million was on the high side of our guidance range of $220 million to $228 million that was provided during our last earnings call; that’s after absorbing about $2 million of headwind from the hurricanes. Again, if you adjust for the number of working days and the solar comparison, adjusted EBITDA is up about 6% year-over-year. Additionally, we delivered adjusted earnings per share of $1.42, up 8% versus 2016 and in line with the Street consensus. Throughout 2017, Atkore faced a challenging environment due to several key factors. First, we experienced inconsistent volume and overall softness in non-residential activity throughout the year. Starts in square feet in the non-residential construction market were reported down about 2% by Dodge Data & Analytics. Second, we had one less working week compared to 2016 which is worth approximately $30 million in net sales and $6 million in EBITDA. Third, we had an unfavorable solar market comparison to 2016 worth approximately $33 million in net sales and $14 million in EBITDA. And lastly, we faced increased commodity costs in a tough volume environment, making it challenging to pass those costs through to our customers. Taking these factors into account as shown on the charts, Atkore was still able to deliver strong financial results for the year. Most notably, I’m proud to report that we were successful in passing through the…

Jim Mallak

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Thanks, John, and good morning to everyone. Moving to our consolidated fourth quarter results on slides four and five. Total net sales were $396 million, up 1% organically after normalizing for fewer working days, acquisitions and foreign exchange differences, and down about 5% year-over-year on a reported basis. The impact of increasing average selling prices from passing through material cost increases and mix, favorably impacted net sales by 2% year-over-year. Net volume on a per day basis was down 1%, about 8% on a reported basis due to fewer working days in the fourth quarter of 2017. The per day decline in volume was due to the timing of large projects in the datacenter space in MP&S and international businesses in the Electrical Raceway. Excluding those large projects, our remaining business was up about 2% in the quarter on a per day basis. Looking at the impacts of our key input costs on our P&L in the quarter. Steel was up 2% year-over-year versus the fourth quarter of 2016 and flat sequentially versus the third quarter of 2017. Copper was up 25% versus the fourth quarter of 2016 and up 8% sequentially versus the third quarter of 2017. And PVC resin was down 5% versus the fourth quarter of 2016 and flat sequentially versus the third quarter of 2017. In the full year, we incurred material input cost increases of $87 million and we successfully passed those through to the market in total dollars. And in doing so, net sales and cost of goods sold increased in equal amounts, unfavorably impacting the resulting margin percentages. In the fourth quarter at the adjusted EBITDA margin line, that mathematical impact reduced margin by 40 basis points. Excluding that impact, margins improved by 70 basis points versus last year, driven by productivity and…

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Thanks, Jim. Moving to our market expectations for 2018 on slide nine. We expect the construction markets will show modest growth in 2018 with both the non-res and residential between flat and up 3%. We expect to see improvements in our industrial markets with growth in line with GDP at 2% to 3%. Those inputs drive our outlook on slide 10. For the Electrical Raceway segment, we expect volume to be up in the same range as the non-res market excluding any acquisitions we may do and the acquisitions we already have done, adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $215 million to $225 million with the three Raceway acquisitions; Marco, Flexicon and Calpipe adding $20 million year-over-year. For our MP&S segment, we expect volume to be flat to up 2% and adjusted EBITDA to be between $60 million and $65 million. As we look to the full year 2018 in total, we expect adjusted EBITDA in the range of $245 million to $260 million. A simple bridge for the midpoint of that range is our $228 million of adjusted EBITDA in 2017; to that, add an incremental $20 million for our completed acquisitions, net productivity of about $6 million and EBITDA generated by volume, then subtract commercial investments focused on the ease of doing business with Atkore and technical sales capability and market pricing pressure given the volume environment. We estimate our adjusted EPS range to be between $1.45 and $1.60, which includes a preliminary estimate of reduction of $0.10 per share from the amortization of intangibles for the recently closed acquisitions of Flexicon and Calpipe. Interest expense will be approximately $27 million. Our diluted share count, 66 million shares. And assuming no change in the tax code, our tax rate should be about 35% all-in. CapEx is…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we’ll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi. Please state your question.

Seth Girsky

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Good morning, guys, this is Seth Girsky on for Andy. How are you guys doing?

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Doing well.

Seth Girsky

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

So, can we talk about your expectations for 2018 by the different end markets you guys operate in? We know solar and datacenters, and I think you guys called out ag last quarter. So, there has been a couple of end markets that have shown a few issues at times. So, can you talk about what you’re expecting for each specific end market?

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Yes. Let me generalize and then we can follow up any very specific questions you might have. The real drivers of the business are going to be non-res construction and then residential construction. And then, thirdly, it’s going to be what we would call general industrial. With regards to non-res construction and residential construction, if we take the optimistic view and listen to our channel partners, and then what they’re saying, we’d be higher than the range we gave of flat to 3%. But, I think it’s going to be responsible for us to take a little bit of a wait and see on the volume there, as driven by construction. There is a lot of good signs, lot of cranes in the urban centers and there is activity going on. But we think that zero to 3% is really going to be the right number driven by construction. Residential has been a little bit better than non-res, but that tends to kind of -- they swap off a little bit depending on the quarter. I think the one that I want to focus on, Seth, is what we call general industrial. And this is the -- for the last couple of years, this has been pretty depressed. And what we throw into this category has a little bit of effect on our Electrical Raceway but it has a pretty meaningful effect on our mechanical products and solutions. This would be some of the mechanical products for our metal framing business, mechanical products for our mechanical pipe business where we’re selling into factories; we’re selling in terms of OEMs, making equipment, off-road vehicles; we’re selling into basic industrial applications. We see that being better, really kind of year-over-year for the first time in a couple of years. We’re being a…

Seth Girsky

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Awesome, that’s really helpful. And then, looking on to 2018 guide on the margin side, you guys did pretty well on productivity this year with $14 million of productivity savings. And I think you talked about only $6 million at the midpoint. So, is there any potential to step up productivity in 2018? I know we had talked about that last quarter as well, as a potential offset if things are maybe a little bit worse than you are estimating right now?

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Yes. There is a little bit of upside. Yes. And we expressed our productivity number this time as net productivity. The numbers we had always given in the past were more of a gross productivity and what we netted against that -- yes, I think it’s still right to think of double-digit gross productivity, $10 million, but what we netted against that is, is a handful of things. There were some one-time costs in some of our factory spend that were favorable, just 1 or $2 million. There’s a little bit of a true-up with regards to our how our bonuses will pay out; we’re going to pay out at a higher percentage in 2018, we believe. And then, there is just also an assumption on inflation in there. So, that’s where you’re kind of getting about $4 million that we’re netting against a gross productivity of 10. We’re pushing at a higher rate than that. And the team’s done a really good job of driving productivity over the last really five, six years, and we expect to see more of that. I think the six is the right now when you kind of bridge towards that midpoint of our range, but that upside would be -- and inflation not being as high as we planned or just over performing against that gross productivity number.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Maybe we can start on pricing. And so, it looked good that you were able to get dollar-for-dollar on the material cost increases. But it’s still not enough to be able to offset the margin. Is there more room for price increases as we head into 2018 and do you feel also you’ve caught up on the surge that you’ve seen in copper and so forth?

Jim Mallak

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Yes. Deane, It’s Jim. I think and we’ve always said this, as we pass this through mathematically, that’s going to put a downward trend on our margins. This has been a tough environment with lower volumes to pass through the commodity cost. We’ve worked really hard at that; we’re very glad that we did that. And it’s very important to maintain the economic earnings from that. So, we’re more concentrated on that than I think just the pure margins per se. I think over the long run, we’ll see those margins come back to normalized as the pricing stabilizes. But, I think we’re very pleased that we’re able to pass through almost $90 million across the business and recover and maintaining the economic profitability there.

John Williamson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Yes. Deane, this is John. Just to piggyback on Jim’s comments. If you take the last three years, four years, we’ve passed through in excess of what commodity costs have done. And we passed through dollar-for-dollar in 2017. We’re pretty proud of that. I mean, Deane, your part of the group that remembers this business from years and years ago where the swings could be pretty radical. So, two things, A, that we passed through dollar-for-dollar in 2017 in a tough volume environment, and believe me, this is day-to-day and it was hard. We’re pretty proud of that. And the fact that we’ve done this year-over-year for three years basically, I think says something about the stability of the business that was quite frankly in question by a lot of people with regards to commodities and pricing early on. So, I think we’ve done a good job on that. Jim did explain very well just the mathematical contraction when commodities go up and you pass that through, even when you passed it up, your percentage goes down, your EBITDA percentage goes down even when you maintain that EBITDA itself. So that’s just the reality. When you take that out of the equation, as Jim pointed out with numbers, we’re increasing our margin percentage. I do want to talk about 2018 with regards to commodities and pricing. As everyone on this call or who is familiar with the business, realizes timing around commodities is important. So, while we passed through $90 million, just short of $90 million one-to-one in commodity inflation, that didn’t come every month and that didn’t come every quarter, and it didn’t come in every segment. That’s the way it ended up in total for a whole year for our entire business. And because of those timing and…

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

That’s really helpful. And let’s just stay with the 2018 guidance and some questions on cash flow. So, 2017 turned out to be a solid year for free cash flow conversion, was 114% by our numbers. How does it look for 2018, any dynamics there?

Jim Mallak

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Yes. I think we are going to be looking at something pretty similar. We are looking at CapEx 30 -- might be a little bit higher than that but figure $30 million of CapEx; interest expense about $27 million; given what we know now assuming the current tax regulations about 35% tax rate. So, I think you have to see very similar characteristics to our cash flow modeling as 2017 presented.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

Just last point and last question, and you may have answered part of that, Jim, was your guidance does not assume any benefit that could come out of Washington with regard to infrastructure spending or a tax reform, is that correct?

John Williamson

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please state your questions

That’s correct, especially -- infrastructure is probably not even on the table there yet. And tax, let’s wait and see what they come out of -- what the boys do over there first.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Rich Kwas with Wells Fargo. Please state your question.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Just sticking on that last point there on tax, I mean, I know it’s a moving situation here, but you wouldn’t impacted by any of this excise tax that they’re talking about, correct? I mean, you would be pretty clean flow through that there wouldn’t be a lot of offset, is that the way to think about?

Jim Mallak

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Yes. If you take a look at our -- most of our business is U.S., which is why our ETR right now is so high at 35%. So, if they come in with just a 20% corporate tax rate, we’re going to see the benefit of that coming down in a similar manner to our ETR and thus hit the cash flow on that.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Okay. And then, just on the walk there, just to clarify, John, is the -- the $6 million is next against -- productivity net against those negatives that you cited right after, I think it’s at the midpoint?

John Williamson

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Yes. Rich, let me just reiterate. I’d say, it’s a supercritical point. If you take the 228 of 2017 and add 20 for acquisitions, then we add the fall through of EBITDA on the volume, we’re talking about, the 6 net productivity which I’ll just come right back to, and then offset that by potential for spread contraction of $4.5 million of spread contraction and then another $4 million of investment in our computer systems mostly and technical sales capability which is really critical for the future, you get to our midpoint of -- you get between 250 and 255, you get right to that midpoint of that range we gave you. Going back to the net productivity, the way we calculate that as a double digit gross productivity, so $10 million offset by a handful of items that roughly come up to around $4 million. There are some onetime manufacturing, and let’s call, they are manufacturing costs that were just favorable in 2017 in a way that won’t be favorable in 2018. So, it’s just a comp. There is some merit and then bonus payouts that add up to few million dollars that will be higher, we’re projecting to be higher in 2018, and then, there is just some general inflation that we’re netting against that gross productivity. So, the right number for the models to get to the midpoint of our range is $6 million in net productivity but that’s the construct of it.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

And then, what’s the volume again, what’s the contribution from just your volume again within that?

John Williamson

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

It’s single digit millions, high-single digits.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

And then, you’ve got this $4.5 million and $4 million that you just talked about as an offset?

John Williamson

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Yes.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Okay, right. Okay. And then, -- so the resi volume, zero to 3 seems -- I know, you’re indicating that those trends have been good. It seems conservative, I mean, is that assuming multi-families down or what’s the dynamic -- I know, it’s not a huge piece of the business but just curious on what’s…

John Williamson

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Yes. I know it’s the right question. There is probably the thing we churn mostly about. Rich, listening to our channel and listening to our partners and distributors, agents, contractors and then reading the tea leaves one year ago, I think led us to an optimism that was unwarranted. We believed it, it didn’t happen. And I think to some degree and I think prudently and appropriately, we are taking a -- we are planning for a more conservative growth even in the face of maybe some upside to that growth. I don’t want to emphasize that upside. I think we are doing the right thing with regard to our projection here. Keep in mind is, res might go up 3%, and might go up 4%. But how that filters through for our products is really the trick for us. So, I think the conservative take we have on volume is the right take. And what I think we’re more focused on is in the face of upside, should that happen, and it definitely might not happen, the upside, are we ready for it? And we think we are ready for it. I am just going to use a quick illustration. In the first quarter of 2018, we are seeing some EBITDA fall through that we are not going to -- we can’t really build into our run rate for the rest of the year. And what that was, was based on -- was our ability to move extremely quickly to produce supply of product when others couldn’t. Because of the hurricanes, the resin suppliers, if not all of them, most of them declared force majeure. There was -- it was hard to get resin and was hard to get PVC pipe. Our sourcing team worked hard on this in advance. Our manufacturing teams worked hard on this. And we were able to deliver upside in a short period of time that competitors couldn’t. And that’s going to be most of what you see in the first quarter that we’re going to ask you to kind of tap down as you project going forward. This is I’m going to just as an illustration that if we do get the upside, I think we’ll be able to move up and take care of it very quickly, very strongly. So, the appropriate way to look at this, especially given the last couple of years where it’s been a little choppy is to be conservative and be ready for the upside, should it happen.

Rich Kwas

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

That makes sense. And the last one for me on M&A. So buyback picked up here recently; you did a fair amount in the second half of the year. What’s the bandwidth for 2018, ability to do more, is this -- are you going to take a more or less a break here in the short-term integrating the ones done and should we think about buyback as being more of a focus?

John Williamson

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

Yes. From a capital point of view we -- our numbers just show this that we’re still in great shape and we absolutely have the capacity to do our stated goal of the 100 million and 150 million, but we could do as much as -- and perhaps even more than what we did last year with that closer to 200 million. That’s from a capital ability. As far as the pipeline, in all honesty, we don’t have a big hole in the pipeline. We have a strong pipeline. These are all individual, they are hard to predict. There’s a lot of work. Some of them we won’t want to do and some of them people who own the business won’t want to do. But, we feel that stated goal of 100 million and 150 million is the right number to look at and really to expect. It’s really hard to say what part of the year it’s going to happen. I would say, it’s probably a sure thing we’re not going to announce anything meaningful in the first quarter, so what happened in the second third and fourth quarter, but I think those are the best guidelines for you.

Jim Mallak

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please state your question

And just going on your question, I would tend to lean more towards the M&A side for capital use versus the share repurchase.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Please state your question.

Steve Tusa

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please state your question

So, on the volume declines this year and somewhat of a conservative guidance for next year. Are you -- how do you feel share is kind of shifting around? Is there I guess walking away, being a little more disciplined? Obviously, your volumes were down this year and perhaps growing market, maybe solar had an influence on that. But maybe if you could just talk about how disciplined or not you’re being in the marketplace in going after volumes?

John Williamson

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please state your question

Yes. We’re being disciplined. We basically do not go after volume with price. It’s a loser’s game and one we don’t play. With regards to share, when you look at 2017, and when we look at this very closely, and I’ll generalize it, just to be brief, we feel in aggregate, we lost a little bit of share, but we lost it one subcategory and we lost that early in the year. We feel at this point, we’re holding our own. We think in general, the market has -- we have different competitor sets in different parts of the market. They are kind of in the same boat as us as volume’s been tough. They want to make sure they fill their factories, but they also know the impact of giving away price too easily, it bites and it spirals down. So, I think there is a discipline going on there. We’re pretty focused on making sure we don’t lose share in aggregate. Where we have lost share? It’s on the lower end of the product margins and the higher end of volume. So, we might have had -- I’m going to give you an example where we lost -- in one part of our business and in one quarter, we thought we lost 3% in terms of volume. But we didn’t -- we actually didn’t lose hardly anything in terms of margin. So, we try to be very strategic where we lost where we gave up share, but we absolutely do not want to -- we don’t want to see it any share at all. We want to hold on to it. And since price is off the table for us, the way we do it is by adding value. We’re the only ones in Electrical Raceway who can provide our suite of products to the market, that’s becoming more and more of something that distributors and contractors can value where we can sale PVC conduit, steel conduit, armored cable and metal framing literally on the same truck delivered to the same job site, no competitor can do that. That’s where we’re fighting back with share. And we feel over the last numbers of quarters that we’re right there on share. So, we don’t project share loss in 2018. And where we will fight back against people who use price will be an added value based on our portfolio and our ease of doing business and our service.

Steve Tusa

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please state your question

Great. Thanks a lot for honesty on that. I don’t think there are really any companies that ever really say that they’re losing market share. So, I appreciate the refreshing level of honesty. It totally makes sense. That’s it. That’s all I got. Thanks a lot.

John Williamson

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please state your question

Thanks, Steve.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

John Williamson

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question

Great. Well, we appreciate very much everyone’s interest in Atkore. We are pretty proud of the quarter we had. There is a lot to be proud of, the maintenance of share in terms of tough volumes and tough competitive environment, passing through of commodity costs, continued productivity and traction on our innovation and growth initiatives. We feel pretty good about 2018. 2018, I think there’s elements of conservatism in the plan but we need to execute and deliver the numbers we have in front of you. Thank you very much. We look forward to updating you on Atkore’s progress in a number of weeks. And happy holidays to everybody.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.