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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Allegheny Technologies Incorporated Third Quarter 2017 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator instructions] Please also note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Minder. Please go ahead.

Scott Minder

Analyst

Thank you, Andria. Good morning and welcome to the Allegheny Technologies third quarter 2017 conference call. This conference call is being broadcast on our website at atimetals.com. Members of the media have been invited to listen to this call. Participating in the call today are Rich Harshman, Chairman, President and the Chief Executive Officer; and Pat DeCourcy, Senior Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us on the call today are John Sims, Executive Vice President, High Performance Materials & Components Group; Bob Wetherbee, Executive Vice President, Flat Rolled Products Group; and Kevin Kramer, Senior Vice President, Chief Commercial & Marketing Officer. If you're connected to this call via the Internet, you should see slides on your screen. For those who have dialed in, slides are available on our website, atimetals.com. After initial comments on third quarter earnings, we will open the line for questions. During the question-and-answer session, please limit yourself to two questions to be considerate of others on the line. As always, we will make every attempt to reach all participants in the question-and-answer queue within the allotted conference call time. Please note that all forward-looking statements this morning are subject to various assumptions and caveats as noted in the earnings release and on this slide. Actual results may differ materially. Lastly, all references to net income, net loss, or earnings in this conference call, mean net income, net loss or earnings attributable to the ATI. Now, here is Rich Harshman.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Thank you, Scott, and welcome to ATI. It's great to have you on board. Good morning to everyone on the call or listening via the internet. Third quarter 2017 operating results were consistent with the outlook provided during our second quarter earnings call in July. The commercial aerospace ramp remains on track and ATI continues to expand revenues and operating margins as a result. Third quarter 2017 financial results were impacted by a non-cash goodwill impairment charge related to our cast products business. This charge was required as part of adherence to accounting standards and was based on interim business testing completed in the third quarter. We continue to have a robust titanium investment castings demand pipeline, and we remain confident in our plans to materially improve the businesses financial performance in 2018 and over the next several years. Excluding the goodwill impairment charge, ATI's operating results were as expected in the third quarter. Revenue grew by 13% compared to the third quarter 2016, operating profit of $54 million or 6.3% of sales more than double versus the prior year. Net loss including goodwill impairment charge was a $121 million or a $1.12 a share, excluding goodwill impairment charge we recorded a net loss of about $8 million or $0.07 per share. Taking a quick look at our two business segments, High Performance Materials & Components or HPMC segment results were driven by continued strong sales of our next generation jet engine products. The power of the mix is readily apparent as we're consistently generating double digit operating margins and strong year-over-year margin growth. As we've said, the long-term aerospace production ramp remains on track and should continue to provide a powerful tailwind over the next several years albeit with some quarter-to-quarter variation. The Flat Rolled Products or FRP segment…

Pat DeCourcy

Analyst

Thank you, Rich. Turning to Slide 8, as of September 30, 2017, cash on hand was 125 million and available additional liquidity under our asset based lending facility or ABL was approximately 280 million, with $25 million borrowed under the revolving credit portion. Within the third quarter, we reduced revolver borrowings by $35 million and we intend to pay off the outstanding revolver balance before 2017 year end. We generated 32 million of cash flow from operations in the third quarter 2017, even with 19 million invested in additional managed working capital to support new business growth as we continue to ramp the higher production levels. We expect managed working capital to be a significant source of cash in the fourth quarter. Consistent with our prior outlook, we estimate 2017 capital expenditures to be about 125 million, in total after spending 85 million in the first nine months of the year. The fourth quarter is traditionally the highest capital expenditure quarter of the year as we work to close out various projects around the Company. Going forward, we anticipate capital expenditures to be approximately $100 million for year including the previously discussed $11 million titanium powder production expansion. This ongoing annual reduction reflects an end to the extraordinary capital expenditure cycle that has transformed our company, and as evidenced throughout this presentation, we continue to utilize our industry leading assets to profitably grow the business. Generating cash continues to be a major focus. In the first nine months of 2017, we achieved cash flow from operations of over 80 million, excluding the 135 million ATI pension plan contribution made in first quarter. This includes modest growth in managed working capital required to support our profitable business growth efforts. We are focused on creating long-term shareholder value by returning ATI to sustainable profitability, generating consistent cash flow, strengthening our balance sheet, and restoring and maintaining financial flexibility and strong liquidity. Going forward, we will thoughtfully deploy our capital and evaluate our capital with structure to achieve these objectives. Now, I’ll turn the call back over to Rich.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Thank you, Pat. Turning to Slide 9, for the first nine months of 2017, sales for the aerospace and defense market were 49% of total ATI sales. Our second largest market oil and gas continues to recover gradually from a low base. Looking at the aerospace market in more detail, commercial jet engines accounted for 27% of total ATI sales. Commercial airframe represented 14% of total sale, and sales to government aerospace and defense customers were 8% of total sales. ATI sales to the jet engine market continue to grow led by our differentiated specialty materials and forgings used in our customers next generation engine programs. We expect this growth to continue over the next several years. We have long-term content agreements in place on each of the major new jet engine programs including the GE Safran LEAP, Pratt & Whitney PurePower Geared Turbofan and multiple variants of the Rolls-Royce Trent engine family. We're working with our jet engine OEM customers to help develop future engines such as the GE9X platform. Today, our primary focus is on execution to ensure that our customers can build the world's best engines and aircraft on schedule. In the airframe market, customer demand levels increase modestly in the third quarter, and we expect this trend to expand in the fourth quarter. As mentioned earlier, we're actively working on several new projects to continue to increase our Flat Rolled Products high value sales within this strategic and end use market. We're optimistic that these efforts will bear fruit in the quarters and years to come and add to our existing titanium airframe sales. Our government and defense business posted year-over-year growth in the third quarter. Growth in defense primarily from vehicle armor plate was countered by a decline in government aerospace sales. We continue to…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Richard Safran of Buckingham Research. Please go ahead.

Richard Safran

Analyst

So, the first question I have -- John, this maybe a question for you. I wanted to dive a bit more into the issues affecting investment castings. In 2Q, you said return to profitability in '18, in the 3Q release that was on October 12th, you said at or near breakeven in '18 and return to profitability in '19. So, I want to know if you could discuss the change that caused the move to the right, and maybe if you could go into a little bit, what gives you confidence in meeting your -- the new targets that you said here?

John Sims

Analyst

Sure, Rich. There are three issues that we're dealing with as we transition that business to sustainable profitability. The first is working through the new part introduction. Many of the parts that are probably giving that business to greatest challenge from profitability standpoint represented significant mixed change from the historical business. These are largely engine related parts and require significant amount of learn out to get the parts to the most optimal efficiency. Now, we're working our way through that. The second is the significant amount of hiring and training associates with labor force we have in that business. We've hired probably 200 people in the last three years in that business. So, as we're working through bringing those people up to their most peak operation capabilities as well as driving improvement in the business to get the labor productivity up and part quality up is significant. And finally, the third part is, as contract expire, we negotiate additional contracts and raise the prices according. I guess this is an opportunity to increase the revenue potential well as profitability. So, as we look at that business from year-over-year standpoint probably the shift to right was more related to our projection of getting to learn out on these new parts. And I think as we put in the earnings release that we expect to be at or near breakeven in 2018, that's consistent for right now. But significantly, achieving that level from a high performance standpoint represents a significant profit improvement year-over-year.

Richard Safran

Analyst

Okay. Rich, Pat, on the -- I wanted to ask you something on the conversion agreements that you spoke about on Slide 7 and we've been talking about. Could you discuss a bit more about what you're expectations are there? I mean would you be able to give us for example, what you're thinking about how much capacity you expect to have under these agreements and by when? I mean, do you have target out there? And also, could you discuss a little bit about the mechanics of them? By that I mean, could you discuss how these things roll for P&L? What margins are typically like on these things? And what impact might be on cash flows?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, thanks Rich. I'm going to ask Bob Wetherbee to comment and then I'll add at the end.

Bob Wetherbee

Analyst

Good morning, Rich. Four questions in there, I will try to get most of them and I'll let Rich Harshman to clean up here. In terms of the target, we see the potential in probably the next 24 to 36 months to double that production volume at the HRPF through the conversion agreements. In terms of the financial impact we're seeing, the high automation or the HRPF really lends itself to add pretty significant incremental volume for very low incremental cost. So one of the big benefits we see is lower unit costs for all of our products as they go through the HRPF. And the mechanics they were using with the customers as they basically come in kick the tires, make sure the process is what we say, it's going to be, and then they move to a quick evaluation with small volumes and then we move into the product trials. And I think what's exciting for us about the product trials is it's actually tied to an end to customer application that the HRPF enables the value for. So they really -- that the people coming to see us, the companies coming to HRPF actually see the differentiation that they can get in their end product by using the HRPF. So I think the next in the fourth quarter, we could see a couple of thousand tons rolling through then it’s a matter of the customer adoption into 2018 probably full production with some of these applications by 2019. So, that’s where we get the doubling of the throughputs for the HRPF and the next 18 to 24 months.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, and Rich in addition I mean all -- I think we've been fairly consistent when asked the question either on calls or in meeting with investors. What our expectations are for Flat Rolled Products, right? And the journey that we have been on is to really reposition that business from where it's been largely heavily reliant on commodities stainless products and when you have a higher cost structure primarily due to the movement of material across facilities since we're not a single site operation, and the fact that our labor and benefit costs on the production site are higher than our competitors, domestic competitors, and certainly higher than imports. That’s been a challenge in the commodity side. So our emphasis going back over the last several years was, how do we refocus this business to be less reliant on the commodity side and more focused on the high value side? How do we begin the change the cost structure dynamics and the new collective bargaining arrangement with the United Steelworkers that was entered into 2016 pays the way for some of that, and then the greater utilization of the assets, more specifically the HRPF? So, as we look at all that and the viewpoint that I have and I think we all have for that business, I mean we expect over the next several years for that business to generate an income before tax of $100 million or more, right. That’s our expectation. There is not a single bullet that’s going to accomplish that. Some of that is due to the continued work on the cost reduction and productivity improvement, that we talked about. Some of that is growing into the differentiated products. Some of that is focused on how do we begin the refocus and look for other…

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Josh Sullivan of Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Josh Sullivan

Analyst

Clearly, the aerospace OEMs are delivering on significant backlogs. UTX confirms engine delivery this morning, but can you just help us with ATI's cadence? Whence the real tipping point here where inventories come down and margins accelerate and obviously casting systems resized here? But where do you see that, that kind of tipping point at this point? Or how we frame that?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, I mean, I don’t think we have a different view today than what we've talked about the first nine months of this year and going back to last year. I mean, we see growth over the next -- you think 2016 is the base line, we see growth over the next five years of a $1 billion plus in revenue and margin growth in the segment of going from where we're today, which is about 12% which is what we said heading into this year, by a couple of 100 basis points each year over that next several years to achieving. My view of the technology and the capability is, we have in that business the high performance business, the positions we have in the market place, the fact that on the cost side, we have competitive cost structures in most of our operations, right. I mean you never completely satisfied with where you're on the cost side I mean never will be. So we keep working on that. But the overall that business should be a 20% pretax margin business, given the value that we're earnings creating in the supply chain and the technology and the capability that we have. And if we can get there faster than four or five years, we will, and I think there may be some opportunities for that. But it's somewhat of a journey because we're not just focused on commercial aerospace I mean that’s that largest end market for ATI in that segment. But there are other end markets that are strategically important to us that have long-term attractive growth profiles and we're focused on that as well. So I think the cadence is what we have been saying for while, the cadence is continuing improvement. I don't -- we all -- every quarter's performance is important, right. But business fundamentally and I've said this before this, right, the product mix and the supply chain isn't always in perfect cadence. And there are changes and variations from quarter-to-quarter, so we look at it more of a period of trailing four quarters right. What’s the progress? How are we making progress consistent with our overall objectives and the possibilities that we exit for that business? And I think we're. I think we're on track so far through three quarters. I think we will be on track at the end of 2017. I look at 2018 as further we're at top line growth as well as couple of 100 basis points improvement on the bottom line for the segment.

Josh Sullivan

Analyst

And then just this is a follow-up I guess. Do you see any choke points either to the supply chain or in the industry, which might be some headwinds for the OEMs to achieve the announced production rates on the narrow bodies at this point?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, I mean that's a great question. So, the best people in the position to answer that question are really the OEMs, but since we deal with all of them and we deal with competitors in the supply chain. I would answer it this way, I mean I think that the OEMs are very aware of the stresses in the supply chain, of where they exist, how they are being worked on, and we see that. In most cases where there is a stress that causes an emergent demand that can be a longer term demand, but also a short-term opportunity. We see those and to the extent they were able to -- and how the capability and the capacity available to help the customer through that supply chain issue, we do. And that turns into a net positive for ATI. So, I think those -- when you look at this kind of rate ramp at levels that have never been produced before in the supply chain, across multiple new engine platforms that has never existed before, and a more complicated supply chain that’s global, that's different in every single cycle that I have been through in 40 years, yes, it’s a challenge, right. It’s a different kind of challenge than I think the industry has ever faced. I think OEMs and the supply chains are working diligently to address the issues, and I think for the most part, they are doing a great job. Where there's opportunities for improvement, I think everybody is aware of it and the communication within the supply chain and with the OEM is very strong and very good.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gautam Khanna of Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

Maybe one for Pat, I was just wondering, if you could walk us through your free cash flow expectations in Q4? And maybe the follow up, and then 2018 just given the extreme ramp, how should we think about working capital as a percentage of sales? Does that stay at this level? Does it drop? Anything you can comment on free cash flow. And relatedly what's your best assessment today of the cash pension payment that you're going to make next year and in subsequent years?

Pat DeCourcy

Analyst

Looking at managed working capital as a percent, we expect it to be consistent to slightly down. We do expect some free cash flow out of managed working capital in the fourth quarter, around $25 million. We experienced higher nickel costs which were a big driver of the use of cash in managed working capital in Q3. Nickel has leveled out as well as chrome at this point and time. So given stable raw materials, we expect to generate at least 25 million out of managed working capital in Q4. Looking ahead into next year up on the pension side, there are a lot of assumptions that go into this estimate, but we have very good performance on our return on assets year-to-date. If we can hold that through year end, we would expect a pension contribution to be probably $50 million to $60 million in total for next year. So that would be down substantially from our earlier estimates and that’s being driven by superior asset returns that we have in place. So if we hold through year end that’s a level that we would be looking for. It would step back up in the subsequent years to over $100 million based on our current assumptions for the next several years, but next year would be around $50 million to $60 million. We do expect a very significant increase in free cash flow next year for the overall business. That’s going to be driven by as Rich mentioned earlier higher margins in the high performance segments as well as some nice revenue growth primarily driven by aerospace in the high performance segment, as well as improvement in cash flow in our Flat Rolled Products business. That should be a nice bump for us for next year. We will provide more information and guidance on that in the fourth quarter call, but at this point that’s our estimates.

Gautam Khanna

Analyst

And one other one if I may, you have announced some agreements now with Pratt & Whitney on Geared Turbofan. And do you have assessment of what you're content is. any sort of guess on revenue per engine on the GT?

Pat DeCourcy

Analyst

Nothing that we -- we've a view but nothing that we made public at this point in time. So, we will take that question and think about it and see, see if what we do going forward.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs of KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst

I had a question on the Flat Rolled business in the third quarter and just by the way of magnitude if you could quantify the call to cost to cost to price mismatch there that you got to hit them with ferrochrome or nickel?

Bob Wetherbee

Analyst

Good morning, Phil. It's Bob Wetherbee. In terms of the mismatch, we came into Q3 we're at about $4.50 nickel probably down from closer to $5 in the Q2. And as in the $10 million range in terms of inventory lag effect, ferrochrome came further down from a $50 and Q2 down to a $1.10, but that’s all in that, that $10 million plus or minus. Coming into the balance for the year, we see nickel come back to the $5 range and ferrochrome at $1.40. So pretty much the Q3 is kind of the aberration for the year and we're just trying to see the stabilization on ferrochrome for sure. And nickel, how do we guess where nickel is going to go, but $5 nickel I think it closed yesterday at $5.30 or so. So a positive trend probably $5 in Q4 is the reasonable expectation.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, Phil. The other impact in Q3 that will be better in Q4 is, we add seasonality in the performance of the STAL joint venture in China. The third quarter is traditionally the lower quarter there so, and we did see that, and we expect that to improve in the fourth quarter which will help improve overall segments results as well.

Phil Gibbs

Analyst

Okay perfect. And it's my last question here. Just on the very, very near-term outlook for aero. Did you say that you expected aerospace revenues to be largely stable quarter-on-quarter?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

From Q3 to Q4, is that your question?

Phil Gibbs

Analyst

Yes.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Is that your question?

Phil Gibbs

Analyst

Yes.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

I think overall they will probably be modestly improved and up and it's very dependent upon the pulls and the product mix and everything that typically happens, not only in every quarter, but seems to be exacerbated in the fourth quarter. So, there is a lot of things that happened towards the end of the fourth quarter specially in the last month of the quarter at year end that could result -- I think we're being realistic based upon history in terms of how we view the fourth quarter. I think that if anything there maybe some upside opportunities in the fourth quarter, if certain pulls happen the way they have been happening here recently.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Olin of Longbow Research. Please go ahead.

Chris Olin

Analyst

Rich, could you talk a little bit about contract environment perhaps what you're going to see over the next 6 to 12 months? Are there any other opportunities out there for perhaps new business? For example, the material has that been set for the Boeing 777X or can you penetrate Airbus going forward?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Great questions. I think the Boeing contracts from the three major titanium mills launched through 2022 currently, but there has been a portion of their needs that have been withheld or not awarded, so that kind of turns into the emerging demand, that you hear us talking about periodically or maybe every quarter. And from our contract standpoint, there is a growth in the volume from 2017 to 2018 under the Boeing agreement. So, you will see growth for us from '17 to '18. In the situation with Airbus, we are not a significant supplier presently with Airbus, we do supply some important materials, and we are working on and we continue to work with both Boeing and Airbus on targeted application of ATI 425 for airframe application as a direct replacement for 6-4 sheet, which has a very long lead-time in excess of a year, and also it’s a high price and because of the high cost of producing that product. So I think there are -- we have been talking ATI 425 for a long-time, but there are real demand pulls this time as oppose to up pushing. There're more demand pulls this time that I think you will see us -- seeing some opportunities as early as 2018 for ATI 425 and that’s a Flat Rolled Products. On the Airbus, there is a con bid, that is 2021 that would take effect, and I think that, that initial proposal on RFQ from Airbus to the industry is expected later in 2018 towards the end of the year and go through the process. But that’s real opportunity for us to grow with Airbus is really a 2021 opportunity. And we expect that’s a target for us quite frankly because we think we should be a bigger supplier with Airbus than we are.

Chris Olin

Analyst

Just as a quick follow-up. Boeing typically sources a lot of its titanium airframe material in the first half. And it looks like they're bit more aggressive here, third, fourth quarter. Does that suggest that perhaps the channel might be long inventory going into 2018 that could be a headwind?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

I mean I don’t think so. I think that they've done some risk mitigation over a possible sanctions against Russia that might be driving that a little bit, but I think it will be our understanding that will be more of a risk managed, the buffer inventory just in case. I mean I think the 787 build rate increases and that’s really reflected in the contractual increase and the volume, and then the minimum volumes that we have in our agreements, I don’t know what other suppliers have in their agreements, but I know what we have in our agreement. So I don’t see it that way. I mean I think that we head into a year with good dialog and discussion of what the requirements are. We know what the contractual requirements are. I mean that’s given, that’s stated. Releases happen really throughout the year, right. So, we know how the quarters are being loaded and everything for 2018. And at this point in time, we don’t see anything dramatically different from what we've seen in the past, and we also know what the contractual quality requirements are.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jorge Beristain of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Jorge Beristain

Analyst

Rich, I was wondering if you could provide some more color on what kind of clients or industries are trialing the material on your HRPF?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Bob, do you want to answer that?

Bob Wetherbee

Analyst

Yes, I think, Jorge, to start with, they're predominantly carbon, and they're very interested in the higher property wide width-type applications that they traditionally make in pieces that now they can get it in a coil. And in many applications, they can get a double width off our facility up to 1 inch. So, you will see structural applications. We're strategically located to support the shale gas areas of the U.S. with our HRPF. So we're seeing a lot of interest from those markets that are going into that region. But the real defining attribute people are after is the gauge control, heavy gauge, wide width with extreme property, so it's kind what we have designed to do and that’s what the markets rewarding us for.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

And I agree with and also it's really -- you're looking at who has the capability of producing the slab, but doesn’t necessary have the capability of hot rolling it. And those entities exist, right. Those are the ones that we're focused on and I think it’s a very capital efficient way for someone to take advantage of the very unique capabilities of the HRPF.

Jorge Beristain

Analyst

Okay, I'm not hearing automotive thrown out there, so at this point I'm assuming you're not doing something with any automotive in high-strength deal?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Yes, I don’t think that’s -- the current large players there are have the vertically integrated capabilities to supply that. There could be emerging opportunities with some one that develops the product to service that market, but at this point in time there real focus is primarily on the oil and gas and corrosion markets as opposed to automotive.

Jorge Beristain

Analyst

Okay, and then your strategy there to do more while move forward on the totaling. Does that in anyway preclude you guys from possibly doing an equity sale or bringing in joint venture partner down the road?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

No.

Jorge Beristain

Analyst

Okay. And then just maybe on the aerospace side. Could you comment if you are facing any -- we had a call yesterday with a competitor that was talking about some extraordinary one-off cost that seems to be in the titanium chain due to trialing a product and heat treat and sort of just ramping up this very high industry ramp rate that you guys being held you by your clients. Can you talk about are there any sort of extraordinary expenses that you guys are incurring that would dissipate as you ramp more fully?

Rich Harshman

Analyst

No, I mean -- there was earlier this year, there was a heat treat capacity issue in Southern California primarily because on operation that had been shut down by the Southern California Air Quality Management District. But we had already started a capital project investing and expanding our own heat treat capability at our Irvine, California facility. So, we were pretty -- John and his team were able to successfully navigate through that without really having any negative impact on operations or on cost. So, I think the only challenge we have in that front is really on the casting business, which we have talked about. And there we have had to go outside for some support as we ramped up and brought the employees down on the learning curve, but that’s contributed to the financial performance of that business this year. But I think we are on the path to reversing that in 2018 and beyond.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer-session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rich Harshman for any closing remarks.

Rich Harshman

Analyst

Okay, thank you very much, and thank you all for joining us on the call today. And as always, thank you for your continuing interest in ATI.

Scott Minder

Analyst

Thank you, Rich. And thank you to all the listeners for joining us today. That concludes our third quarter 2017 conference call.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.