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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Allegheny Technologies First Quarter 2017 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Dan Greenfield. Sir, please go ahead.

Danny L. Greenfield - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Steve. Good morning, and welcome to the Allegheny Technologies conference call for the first quarter 2017. This conference call is being broadcast on our website at ATImetals.com. Members of the media have been invited to listen to this call. Participating in the call today are Rich Harshman, Chairman, President and the Chief Executive Officer; and Pat DeCourcy, Senior Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Also attending are John Sims, Executive Vice President, ATI High Performance Materials & Components segment; Bob Wetherbee, Executive Vice President, ATI Flat Rolled Products Group; and Kevin Kramer, Senior Vice President, Chief Commercial & Marketing Officer. All references to net income, net loss, or earnings in this conference call mean net income, net loss or earnings attributable to ATI. If you have connected to this call via the Internet, you should see slides on your screen. For those who have dialed in, slides are available on our website, again, ATImetals.com. After some initial comments, we will ask for questions. During the question-and-answer session, please limit yourself to two questions to be considerate of others on the line. As always, we will make every attempt to reach everyone in the question-and-answer queue within the allotted conference call time. Please note that all forward-looking statements this morning are subject to various assumptions and caveats as noted in the earnings release and on this slide. Actual results may differ materially. Here is Rich Harshman.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Dan. Good morning to everyone on the call or listening on the Internet. First quarter 2017 sales grew by 14% compared to the same period last year. Net income was $17 million compared to a significant loss in the first quarter 2016. ATI is realizing the benefits of our growing content on next-generation aircraft and is beginning to benefit from the actions taken to improve our cost structure. First quarter 2017 results represent important progress in achieving our goal to return ATI to sustainable long-term profitable growth. Looking at our business segments, our High Performance Materials & Components segment, sales to the commercial aerospace market increased 8% compared to the fourth quarter 2016 and 7% overall, and first quarter operating profit was 10% of sales. Our Flat Rolled Products segment achieved sequential sales growth of 11 % and an operating profit of 5% of sales. Turning to slide 4, the six-quarter view of our High Performance Materials & Components segment results shows the benefits of growing demand from the aerospace market and the actions we have taken thus far to improve the segment's cost structure. High Performance Materials & Components segment sales increased 7% to $510 million compared to the fourth quarter 2016. Segment operating profit was approximately $51 million or 10% of sales, including $2 million in start-up costs associated with our new nickel alloys powder facility. Sales to the aerospace and defense market increased 6% and represented 75% of segment sales; 43% jet engine, 20% airframe and 12% government aero/defense. First quarter 2017 results also included higher sales to the oil and gas, medical, transportation and other industrial markets. Bakers Powder Operations, our new nickel-based powder alloys facility in North Carolina, began operations in the first quarter 2017. So, on a sequential quarter basis, what are…

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Rich. Turning to slide 6. At March 31, 2017, cash on hand was $160 million and available additional liquidity under our domestic Asset-Based Lending facility was approximately $230 million, with $60 million borrowed under the revolving credit portion of the ABL. Managed working capital increased to $11 million in the first quarter of 2017, but decreased as a percentage of annualized sales due to increased business activity. We continue to estimate that 2017 capital expenditures will be $125 million, with $25 million expended in the first quarter. Beyond 2017, we continue to expect capital expenditures to average no more than $100 million annually for the next several years. We are again at the end of our extraordinary capital expenditure cycle that has transformed and modernized ATI. We also made a $135 million cash contribution to the ATI pension plan in March 2017, which completes our funding requirements for this year. Cash generation from operations remains a key focus. We generated positive cash flow from operations in the first quarter of 2017, excluding the ATI pension plan contribution, even with modest growth in managed working capital. We do not expect to pay any U.S. federal income taxes in 2017 due to net operating loss carry-forwards, and we intend to carefully balance our working capital and other cash needs with the pace of our capital expenditure requirements and financing obligations. We have support from our agent bank to extend the duration of our $100 million ABL term loan from the current expiration date in November 2017 to September 2020 subject to customary due diligence and other closing activities. We expect to finalize this term loan extension in the second quarter of 2017. This action is being taken to reduce uncertainty and provide additional flexibility. As earnings continue to improve in 2017 and beyond, the resulting annual free cash flow after necessary capital expenditures will be used primarily to reduce debt, improve the funded position of the company's defined benefit pension plan and improve overall liquidity. We are focused on creating long-term shareholder value while returning ATI to sustainable profitability, strengthening our balance sheet and restoring and maintaining financial flexibility and strong liquidity. Now, I'll turn the call back over to Rich.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Okay. Thank you, Pat. Turning to slide 7. For the first quarter 2017, sales to the aerospace and defense market were 48% of total ATI sales. Jet engines accounted for 26% of sales, airframe represented 15% and sales to government aerospace and defense were 7% of sales. ATI sales in the first quarter of 2017 to the oil and gas markets were approximately $93 million or 11% of total ATI sales, an increase of 15% compared to the fourth quarter 2016 sales to this market. While sales to the oil and gas market have improved, demand remains low compared to historic levels. Importantly, we continue to see signs of improving demand from the oil and gas market, not yet a trend, but indicative of a market that has bottomed and is beginning to show signs of life. Turning to slide 8, at the beginning of the year, we think it's helpful to look at past trends and where we believe some of the key markets are going. We began with aerospace and defense, our largest market. Our jet engine business has been growing and we expect that trend to continue and to accelerate. We have been awarded significant content on new engine programs, particularly content gains of our differentiated alloys, forgings and titanium investment castings. There has been some market discussion of an inventory correction in the airframe supply chain. We are not seeing this in the demand for titanium mill products, our major airframe product. We expect our airframe sales to remain relatively flat at a high level as content gains for titanium in new models offset lower legacy build rates, which should use less titanium. Defense is a target growth market for ATI, and we are beginning to see some early positive results. We were recently awarded a…

Operator

Operator

Okay. Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. And our first question comes from Gautam Khanna with Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.

Gautam Khanna - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Yes. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about the supply chain rebalancing you mentioned, and specifically, if that has actually rebounded now in terms of orders as we exited Q1 and as we look forward to Q2 and beyond.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Gautam, I think that what really happened was that there was a strong pull at the end of 2016 for some of the new product platforms that as we head into the first quarter of 2017, we would expect that demand to remain at a relatively high level. And it really isn't until we get into the quarter that we see that the pull was stronger and really a result of just filling some of the supply chain gaps that existed. And as we work our way through that and get feedback from our customers, we realized that it doesn't change the underlying fundamentals of growth for the demand of that product – those products. We know what – we're pretty confident of what that is because we know how engines are going to be built. I'd like to say that – that the business – or that our business and our markets operate on a continual progression quarter-to-quarter. Unfortunately, that's not the case. It does tend to be a little lumpy at times. And if you look out over a longer period of time, say, two to four quarters, you get the trend and what the growth is. And we expect that to – we remain very confident that 2017 demand for the differentiated products and the new products, not only from a mill product standpoint, but also from a forged product standpoint, will be a significant growth in 2017 over 2016.

Gautam Khanna - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Okay. And was it more pronounced on the LEAP program versus like the PW 1000 (26:30)? Or can you give us any sort of program specifics where you saw the acceleration in Q4 and the deceleration...

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

No, I mean, I think it's where the products – you know what products we're talking about, right? We're talking about Rene 65, we're talking about the Alloy 720. And those were pulled very heavy – and powder alloys – those were pulled very heavy into the fourth quarter and weren't pulled as heavy at the end of the first quarter. And I think over time, that rebalancing fundamentally resets itself into how many engines are being built. We're not seeing any significant change from a customer standpoint in the overall demand of that product – those products year-over-year. It's a timing issue.

Gautam Khanna - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Okay. And you – understood. You also, I think, made a comment about maybe one of the competitors falling a little short and that confirms some opportunity. Could you just expand on where specifically you're seeing that? And maybe if you can quantify either the size of it or how the duration of the orders that you expect to get because of that dynamic?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the specific reference I made was on triple melt 718 and stronger demand in the first quarter than what we would have expected from the standpoint of the contractual requirements that we have. That periodically happens, right? I mean, it doesn't happen every quarter that – I think we're – I think we're pretty good, matter of fact, very good at making triple melt 718 for rotating quality applications. Quite frankly, I think we're the best. And when there is a hole in the supply chain for whatever reason, we get the call. And that's a good position for ATI to be in. I think we're also in kind of the same position on the parts standpoint as it pertains to isothermal forgings. And that has happened in the past, it will happen in the future, I think. And that's also a testimony to the people that we have and the capabilities that we have in this company.

Gautam Khanna - Cowen and Company, LLC

Analyst

Thanks, Rich. One last one for Patrick before I get off. (28:58) still expected to be 10%. And secondly, if there's any plan to reallocate the pension costs that are outside of service cost below the line outside of the segments anytime soon? Thank you.

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So we expect, as we said in the guidance, that operating margins will improve as we go throughout the balance of the year in High Performance, so above that 10% level that we showed in Q1. And on the pension question, we are going to adopt in the first quarter of 2018 and we think the overall impact will be an increase to our EBITDA, but it will be based on the conditions that are in place when we adopt that new standard in the first quarter of 2018.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Richard Safran with Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Richard T. Safran - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Rich, Pat, Dan, good morning.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Rich.

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Rich.

Richard T. Safran - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

First off on the – a bit of a multi-part question here. I think you may have answered some of it, but I want to try again. On the aerospace mix, again a multi-part question, I wanted to know how we should think about the aerospace mix now and how that's going to impact the cadence of margin improvement throughout the year. So you mentioned the richer mix for Q2, do you have any comment on the rest of the year? We are seeing a fivefold increase in the LEAP in build rates. How does the mix of shipments trend this year as we get the ramp-up of the LEAP and the ramp-down of the CFM56? And is the mix going to be impacted by the aftermarket here?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I think that the – it can be impacted by the aftermarket because of the demand from those engine platforms. And I think that probably had something to do with the stronger demand from some of the legacy products. I mean, look, we call them legacy products, but they are good products, right? I mean, we're the leader in those in that rotating quality material and we'll take all we can get, right, of that. I think the overall mix – and the mix is the right way to think about it in the first quarter, the overall mix was not as rich in terms of differentiated and new products as we would've expected. That was due to a richer mix because of earlier pulls in the fourth quarter than what traditionally would've expected to take place in the first quarter. That's the rebalancing that happens. I think that as we look at the rest of the year and we see what the engine build schedules are, I think that you'll see a richer mix in the – from the second through the fourth quarter of those products. Will we see a stronger-than-expected demand from some of the legacy products because of a stronger aftermarket demand? Yeah, we could. We could. I mean, I think that one of the engine OEMs indicated that they were seeing a 25% growth in aftermarket in their earnings call last week. So I think that speaks to a part of what we saw in the stronger – the stronger demand for some of the legacy products in the first quarter. So time will tell, but I think fundamentally, the richer mix growth of the products that are differentiated that we have very strong positions in, including basically the position in Rene 65 and very strong positions in the iso-forgings and in powder, I think that will continue to be favorable to us into – the rest of 2017, as well as beyond.

Richard T. Safran - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks for that. Now I'd just like to shift quickly to government and defense. As you know, we've been looking at increases in defense spending. Wanted to know what the major programs are that drive government and defense business. I mean, is it pretty much driven by just the F-35? And if F-35 build rates are continuing to rise, does defense start to become a much bigger part of sales, and that is, is that comparable margins? You also know international demand and defense demand is growing and could you talk bit more about that, what products and what areas?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think that historically – when you look at the High Performance Materials & Components business, historically, the demand was on materials for engines, fighter jet engines, as well as on naval nuclear, right? So – and then on the Flat Rolled Products, historically, it was in armor. And a growing opportunity for us – a consistent opportunity, but growing going forward, I think it's especially in some of the flow-form applications, it's in munitions and it's in artillery, and it's in missiles and components. So I think as we – we take a holistic look at the defense market. I think you've heard me say before that ATI, given our product mix and our technology capabilities, we have been under-serving the defense market. I still believe that. We've taken actions in order to address that by making it a specific, strategic focus market for us and by being better connected with the DoD, in Washington as well as with the legislative process. So, we have resources in place that we've never had in place before. And that is leading to – growing your presence in defense is a journey. It's not something that happens overnight. You have to be plugged into the programs, you have to know what the technology challenges are and how do we map ourselves and to be a solutions provider into that market, and that's what we're doing. So, I think as you look at the defense market and the defense budget going forward, I think the opportunities for ATI continue to be on jet engine platforms, it continues to be – we're not on the F-35 from the standpoint of titanium mill products today. That opportunity is out there beyond 2020, but it's not something that's going to be there within the next couple of years based off of the contractual arrangements that are in place. I think that missiles and components and armaments and the naval shipbuilding program are significant opportunities for ATI. Those will evolve and emerge over the next 12 to 18 to 24 months, and we're focused on how do we bring our capabilities and our technologies to be an outstanding supplier in the defense market, just as we are in the aerospace market.

Richard T. Safran - The Buckingham Research Group, Inc.

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Well, I appreciate that. Thanks very much.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Timna Tanners with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Timna Beth Tanners - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hey, good morning, guys.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Hi, Timna. How are you?

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Timna Beth Tanners - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Hello. So wanted to ask a couple of things on the present Trump Section 232 discussions related to steel and national security, does that affect electrical steel or stainless steel? Does that have any bearing on you or your defense position?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Maybe. I think that when you look at Section 232, which, I'm sure you know, has been a – on the book since 1962, right? So it's not new. It's really only been used twice before. However, on the specialty metal side, the specialty metal side, there's been a Specialty Metals Amendment on the books going back to World War II. And ATI – it's essentially the same focus, right? It is focused on the critical nature of the technology and the capabilities of the U.S. to have the capabilities of having a nickel superalloy capability, a titanium alloy and a specialty materials capability because all of those products and technologies are necessary to having a modern, efficient, capable military. And so that's the tie into national security. So I think that it remains to be seen where the administration's focus is going to be on Section 232. I think taken at the words that are being spoken, I think some people are framing it in too narrow of a focus in my opinion. They're focusing on the comment that – on carbon steel, for example, while there is no big demand as a percentage of total carbon steel production in the U. S. from the DoD. That's a far too narrow framework to take it in. The fundamental issue is that in order – from a national security standpoint, to your point on GOES, you need to have an electric grid from the capability of defending your nation and having security; you need to be able to move materials around. So, you need buildings and you need bridges and you need the underlying capability that all these materials are being used for. And any country in the world that has a capable functioning military has the capabilities of making carbon steel and stainless steel and specialty metals and titanium, et cetera, because they need it for their national security. So that's I think the purpose of the Section 232 initiative of the Trump administration. And we'll see what happens.

Timna Beth Tanners - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Okay. So to summarize, it's a small percent, like you said, of carbon steel. It's actually pretty important for specialty steel. It's unclear whether or not specialty steels are encompassed in the investigation or the review as it stands, but if it were to be encompassed, it could be interesting now (39:19)?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

No, I think that – yeah, I didn't say it's unclear. I mean, I think that we know that SSINA, which is the Specialty Steel Trade Association, SSINA has been contacted by the administration for information and data to support the Department of Commerce's investigation. So I think that the administration is focused on the specialty metals and the specialty materials part of our economy.

Timna Beth Tanners - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Interesting. Okay. Thank you for that. I wanted to ask about your comments about leveraging the HRPF and still investigating that. What exactly do you mean by that now? What kind of alternatives are you considering there?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Well, it's premature to talk about what we're considering other than we continue to have some conversations, not only from a tolling (40:17) standpoint, but broader than that. And the capabilities of the HRPF are significant as we have talked for many years about. And others are interested in that and when we have something more tangible to talk about, we will, but there are ongoing active conversations. Bob, do you want to comment further?

Robert S. Wetherbee - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Yeah, I think to echo there, Rich, on the operating side, when we look at the HRPF, we're definitely leveraging to get more mill balance using our reversing mill or breakdown mill to accelerate the productivity, throughput, flow time, our grinding capabilities, our thermal capabilities. So we are seeing a lot of productivity benefits by – in the plate side. And then the second area is really new grades, the cobalt grades, the wider nickel alloy where we're starting to see significant penetrations on the tactical side, and actually opening up some capacity to support the aerospace growth and plate that we expect in titanium over the next few years. So tactically, we're seeing tremendous cost-savings through the HRPF.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah, so Timna, there is both internal initiatives as well as external conversations going on.

Timna Beth Tanners - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Okay. Helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Sullivan with Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Josh Ward Sullivan - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Hi, Josh.

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Josh.

Josh Ward Sullivan - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Just one on the investment casting recovery, do you have a timeline for when you think you will back at full rate, or maybe when it becomes a positive contributor?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean, I think from a – I think we would expect that to be a positive contributor from a profitability standpoint by the end of the year. And I think the progress we're making and have made really over the past 12 months has been dramatic. It's really basically building a robust manufacturing process in a business that really didn't have one. And so progress has been very good, it's been steady; it's never as fast as we would like it to be, quite frankly. But I think as we move into 2018, we'll be hitting the drumbeat that's in support of what our commitments are to our customers across a wide variety of programs. And, John, do you want to add anything?

John D. Sims - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Yeah, Rich. Hi, Josh. Yeah, the objective this year is to be on drumbeat for all major programs. Today, I would say most of those are on track. We have a few we're still working on and throughout 2017 and really into 2018 is to clear any backlog that we have so that we're prepped and ready to go. We've done the long-term look at capacity versus demand and we feel good about that 2018 and beyond. 2017 for us is really the rebalancing and transition year. And as Rich said, that we've made a significant progress in bringing our capacity and capability in line with that demand, and we should see the impact of that on the bottom line second half of the year, more in Q4.

Josh Ward Sullivan - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. And then just switching over, how should we think of the start-up costs for Bakers through the rest of the year? And then maybe what kind of contribution we should be thinking about from that facility going forward?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Sure, Josh. So second quarter, similar levels of start-up costs. The qualifications we don't think will be complete until you get through the third quarter of this year and into the end of the year here. So we'll continue to experience some level of start-up costs throughout 2017. Essentially, the same level in Q2 and Q3, and then we would expect them to decline in the fourth quarter and into 2018.

Josh Ward Sullivan - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi. Good morning.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Hi, Phil. How are you?

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Doing well. How are you?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Good.

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

The question is on the guidance for High Performance Materials. And with some decent momentum I think near term in energy and some defense wins that you had and apparently no change to the aerospace outlook, why not take that revenue guidance up a little bit if your original thought process didn't really have energy recovery within it?

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Phil, we actually, had some energy recovery in our expectations for this year. What we said was at very modest levels. So we were impacting – and expecting some bounce off of the bottom, if you will. And that's what we're seeing here in Q1, but nothing very significant yet, and we expect continued improvement maybe into 2018. But we had modest expectations and that's what we're seeing at this point.

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Okay. And, Rich, on this Section 232 and the national security issue, I know it's been talked a little about so far, but I was always under the impression that most of the defense-related businesses that you serve and others serve for the most part were serviced with domestic material anyways because of national security issues in terms of melting here and casting here, et cetera. Is that along the right lines? Or are there some loopholes that we should be aware of?

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

No, I think that's fairly consistent, Phil. I mean, The Berry Amendment, the Specialty Metals Amendment goes back a number of years and it really deals with primarily titanium and nickel alloys, specialty alloys that have to be melted either in the U.S. or within a NATO country, right? Not necessarily just the U.S. So arguably, a Section 232 approach would expand that beyond the current requirements of the Specialty Metals Amendment. So it's broader – Section 232 is broader. But I think that – I think that and I know that every year, right, there are efforts within Congress to kill the Specialty Metals Amendment. And – because we know because we're involved with making sure that that doesn't happen and because we think it would be a bad policy. So I think that probably the benefits of the broader Section 232 effort are obviously much broader beyond ATI's alloy system focus. We're not a carbon steel company, and I think that's one of the major emphases of what the Section 232 is about, but I also think that they're focused on – and I think rightly so, they are focused on the broader capabilities within the U.S. from a defense perspective.

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

That makes sense particularly with the agenda on the spending side. And the last question for Pat, real solid job in the first quarter on net working capital management. What's the outlook for the balance of the years in terms of what you expect in terms of use or source or any momentum commentary you could provide? Thanks very much.

Patrick J. DeCourcy - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Sure. I think we'll have a modest use as we see sales ramp over the second and third quarters. But we do have some internal initiatives to improve flow and increase inventory turns, which should be help balance and somewhat offset that, and we could see similar performance that we have in the first quarter where we were able to overcome some of the sales growth through some of those initiatives on inventory turns.

Philip N. Gibbs - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Phil.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Peter Gannon with Tenant Capital (49:02). Please go ahead.

Unknown Speaker

Analyst

My questions have been answered. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes our question-and-answer session. I will now like to turn the conference back to Rich Harshman for any closing remarks.

Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Okay, thank you very much, and thanks to everybody for joining us on the call today. And as always, thank you for your continuing interest in ATI.

Danny L. Greenfield - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Rich, and thanks to all of the listeners for joining us today. That concludes our conference call.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.