Richard J. Harshman - Allegheny Technologies, Inc.
Management
And so I think that's in better situation and a better condition. But I think the biggest issue is really on the differentiated products. I mean, I spent a lot of time going through in my prepared comments, the meaning of that not only from a mill product form standpoint, but also as it is produced in the forgings, primarily forgings at this point in time, because we're not yet delivering what we need to deliver on the titanium investment castings side, but we will. But on the forgings side both the hot-die and the isothermal, I mean, we're really very good at making those parts, quite frankly. If I could tout and recognize the job that John Sims and his team does; we're good at it and our customers know that and where others might be stumbling a little bit as they maybe start to ramp up, we're there to support the customer and we've seen some of those. The other side is the legacy demand on the jet engine side is still very strong, and some of the LTAs, long-term agreements, that we were awarded in 2015 give us parts that we never produced before, quite frankly, especially on the forged products side, and we're seeing that. I think, quite frankly, you would see even more of a dynamic level than proven of profitability in High Performance if some of those other end markets were hitting on some better demand side. I mean, the oil and gas market, which is an important market for High Performance, is not in good shape, right? The electrical energy, the large combined cycle industrial gas turbines outside of the maybe demand from China, not in good shape; and the chemical processing industry is important. So I think that there are similarities between companies we compete with, there are differences. What we're seeing is what I said in my comments. Oh, and in 2017, yeah, I mean I think we've already commented on Flat Rolled Products. We expect the segment to be profitable. I don't think it's going to be heroic because we are not looking at underlying real strong demand in some of those end markets, so I think it will be more by brute force, right, at this point in time, as we position that business well, so I think it will be low-single digits type of thing, and I think the High Performance will be into the teens, the low teens at this point as the market, primarily aerospace, we're not banking on oil and gas being a strong demand driver in 2017 or any of the other end markets that are kind of languishing right now, we don't think that that will change dramatically in 2017. When they do come back, when the demand does come back, those are kind of different capacities that produce some of those products, but they will be significant profit drivers that will build on the momentum that we have in aerospace. Okay?