Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ASML 2020 Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call on July 15, 2020. Throughout today's introduction, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After ASML's introduction, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I would now like to open the Q&A – question-and-answer queue. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Skip Miller. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone. This is Skip Miller, Vice President of Investor Relations at ASML. Joining me today on the call is ASML's CEO, Peter Wennink; and our CFO, Roger Dassen. The subject of today's call is ASML's 2020 second quarter results. The length of this call will be 60 minutes and questions will be taken in the order they are received. This call is also being broadcast live over the internet at asml.com. A transcript of management's opening remarks and a replay of the call will be available on our website shortly following the conclusion of this call. Before we begin, I'd like to caution listeners that comments made by management during this conference call will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws. These forward-looking statements involve material risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of risk factors, I encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in today's press release and presentation found on our website at asml.com and in ASML's annual report on Form 20-F and other documents as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter Wennink for a brief introduction.

Thank you, Skip. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2020 results conference call. First of all, I hope all of you and your families are healthy and safe. And before we start our normal quarterly results review, I would like to provide you a brief update on the COVID-19 situation. I think thanks to the commitment, engagement, and creativity of our people. We managed the quarter very well, and this translated into growth in both revenue and profitability in the quarter, and Roger will of course provide some more details on those results. Although, we experienced some challenges early in the quarter around supply delays and increased absenteeism, we did not encounter any new disruptions due to COVID-19. We continue to operate with special measures in place around isolation and contamination protocols to ensure the safety of our employees and to reduce risk of operational disruption. Even though this created some initial inefficiencies and production delays, operations capabilities are largely back to normal. Regarding transportation, logistics, and customer support, we were able to continue to secure flights to meet customer shipment requirements, and we have managed to support our customers in this challenging environment. We have significantly increased the capability of our teams in the field to more independently support the customer and continue to deploy more novel, remote diagnostics and augmented reality support. Majority of this remote technology has accelerated throughout this COVID period, and we expect to deploy even more of this in the future. In summary, we have been able to successfully navigate through the current environment, and our operations capabilities are largely back to normal. But as COVID-19 is not yet behind us, we will remain vigilant to ensure the safety of our employees, while providing the best possible customer support. And thanks again to our people and everyone in our supply chain who did an outstanding job servicing our customers during these challenging times. Now, I would like to turn to our normal quarterly results process, and before we begin the Q&A session, Roger and I would like to provide an overview and some commentary on the second quarter as well as provide our view on the coming quarters. Roger will start with a review of our Q2 financial performance with added comments on our short-term outlook, and I will complete the introduction with some additional comments on the current business environment and our future business outlook. Roger, if you will?

Thank you, Peter. Welcome, everyone. I will first review the second quarter financial results and then provide guidance on the third quarter of 2020. Net sales came in at €3.3 billion. We executed quite well considering the risks in the COVID-19 environment, translating to strong growth of more than 35% over Q1. We shipped nine EUV systems and recognized revenue on seven systems in the quarter. Taking into account, the additional approximately €260 million of revenue from the net two systems we didn't recognize in Q2, this would hypothetically have resulted in revenue of around €3.6 billion and a growth of around 50%. Similar to Q1, some EUV systems were expedited for shipment without factory acceptance testing in Q2. We expect to recognize revenue on these systems at site acceptance in the second half of the year. We shipped nine EUV systems in the quarter with four systems not receiving factory acceptance testing, meaning five systems recognized revenue upon shipment. For the two systems that shipped in Q1, but did not receive factory acceptance testing before shipment, we were able to complete customer site acceptance tests and recognize revenue this quarter, bringing the total to seven EUV revenue systems in Q2. Net system sales of €2.4 billion was again more weighted towards Logic at 62% with the remaining 38% from Memory. Although, Logic remains very strong, Memory has been growing over the last three quarters as a percentage of system sales. Installed Base Management sales for the quarter came in at €887 million. This brings the total of installed base revenue in the first half to around €1.7 billion. Gross margin for the quarter was 48.2%, a significant improvement over Q1, primarily due to Deep UV mix and an improvement of the EUV installed base gross margin. On operating expenses,…

Thank you, Roger. As Roger highlighted, we had a strong quarter with over 35% growth in revenue and improved profitability. In this challenging macroeconomic environment, we saw a growth in both Logic and Memory markets, which is a reflection of our customers drive to innovate and continue to invest in future technology nodes. With significant work-from-home and remote learning activities continuing, segments such as data center and communication infrastructure continued to be strong. Demand for consumer-related electronics, for example, smartphones, maybe under some near-term stress due to the economic impact from COVID. And our customers indicated they see continued strength in end markets, requiring advanced nodes, and this is reflected in our stable demand. For 2020, our growth expectations that we indicated at the start of the year are largely unchanged, despite the disruptions caused by the worldwide COVID induce crisis. We therefore expect a year of double-digit growth in sales and profitability. In Logic, customers continue to ramp advanced technology nodes, seven and five nanometers. In support of the buildup of the digital infrastructure, driving end market applications, such as 5G, AI and high-performance compute requiring leading-edge equipment, which have longer lead times and qualification schedules. We expect Logic demand to remain healthy, which continues to drive the monthly review systems as well as our other products. In Memory, customers are continuing to indicate that they are seeing signs of recovery, driven by healthy demand in data centers and expectations of improved demand in consumer electronics. Increasing the talk of utilization levels, supporters view, and with this continued trend in mind, it's understandable that we see additional demand in the second half of the year. This is supported in our bookings with Memory increasing as a percentage of bookings over the past three quarters. Sales to China continue to…

Thank you, Roger and Peter. The operator will inspect you momentarily on the protocol for the Q&A session. Before I hand, I'd like to ask you that you kindly limit yourself to one question with one short follow-up if necessary. This will allow us to get to as many callers as possible. Now operator, can we have your final instructions, and then the first question, please.

Thank you. At this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Mr. Mitch Steves. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. Mitch Steves from RBC Capital Markets. So I'm just going to ask two upfront. The first one is just the commentary about Memory demand being – coming in stronger, and you guys are still seeing high-quality bookings in Logic. So first question is basically for 2021, is there a scenario where you could actually see growth in both DUV and EUV units and kind of a more bullish scenario or are you seeing customers kind of opt to just buy more EUV systems? And then secondly, I just wanted to double-click on kind of the gross margin comment. I think that was supposed to be up a little bit more in Q3, so what is kind of the trajectory in both EUV and the corporate margin as we get to Q4 and beyond?

Yes. I think, is your question directed for 2021? You just started your question with Memory demand picking up and strong and healthy Logic. And then the question for 2021 is directed at both the combined business of Memory and Logic or at one of those, just as an explanation.

No, so same for – so total DUV and – Deep UV and total EUV units, is there a scenario where both of those are up due to high demand or does it have to be kind of one versus the other?

No, I think if you see a continued uptick of the Memory market, which will have a positive effect on the Deep UV immersion systems, you could see both of them, yes. So it's really a matter of strong demand continuing in Logic and a continued strengthening of the Memory market. I could see that happening. But in general, of course, the more EUV layers that are chosen by our customers will take away Deep UV layers. So you could argue if there is – and if it's only a technology transition, you would probably see a cannibalization of Deep UV versus EUV, but if you have a capacity ramp, then -- both in Memory and you see the capacity ramp in Logic continuing, then you could see both numbers up.

Let me take the question on gross margin, and may be the best way to do it is, just give you the bridge for – between the three quarters. So moving from Q1 to Q2, the improvement that we saw in gross margin, two main drivers, I would say. One is the Deep UV mix, and secondly IBM installed base management margin. So, those are the primary drivers to get you from the gross margin we had in Q1 up to the 48.2% that we recognized in Q2. So then from Q2 to Q3, you see a slight deterioration on the gross margin and that really is down to the mix in Deep UV, where we expect to have less immersion systems in that mix in Q3 in comparison to Q2. And then going from Q3 to Q4, where again as we said, we think the 50% up is achievable in the current plans that we see. Main drivers there, again immersion, but this time positively, so that would be more immersion in the mix. And secondly, an important driver there again would be EUV service gross margin. The result of two things on the one hand bringing down the cost per EUV machine, and on the other hand, as Peter alluded to it, the fact that these tools are getting into high volume manufacturing, which means that also the wafer output is increasing as well, and as a result of that the revenue will increase as well. So that in essence gives you the bridges over the three quarters and the basis for the potential to get to 50% up in Q4.

Understood. Thank you very much.

The next question is from Mr. Andrew Gardiner. Please state your company name and ask your question.

Thanks very much. Andrew Gardiner from Barclays. Roger, one for you, if I could, just on your comments on the cash flow and capital allocation. You said for some of the points in CapEx in particular that you expected it at previously communicated levels. So that's clear. But in terms of working capital, can you help sort of quantify the pressure a bit more for us? Clearly there was significant working capital outflow during the first half of the year. Is that expected to continue into third quarter, perhaps start to improve by fourth quarter, just a bit of help around that would be useful? And also the point you made about, once this sort of transition is clear, then you would plan to return to the share buyback. Is that something we could expect by the fourth quarter of this year or is it more likely to be into next year? And again, is there any metrics you can give us that could help guide that? Thank you.

Yes. Sure, Andrew. Happy to do that. So you’re right. If you look at the first half, you would look at a negative free cash flow, you would actually see that in the second quarter, it already started to become positive. If you look at the full half year, it would be a negative free cash flow. Not unlike, I should add what we saw in last year, and last year you saw a similar pattern. The expectation is that in the second half, we will – that will change, and there will be a significant improvement in working – in both the working capital, but also in the free cash flow generation. And the main reasons are the reasons that I pointed out in the initial comments. So it's associated with the fact that on the one hand, we are entering into a period where we are actually asking down payments on EUV tools, but that takes time and that takes contractual renegotiations, so that's one element. And the second element is that based on the old contracts and the – old contracts on the base of which we're still executing quite some shipments, that was actually provided for extended payments to customers, so that's the situation that we find ourselves in on the let's say the accounts receivable side. Secondly, as you will appreciate with the ramp that we’re doing and with the increase that we're seeing in EUV, obviously that also means that's from an inventory perspective that leads to an uptick as well. So those are the two main dynamics why it is the way it is. So my expectation is, and I won't give specific numbers, but my expectation is that in the – you will see a significant recovery of the free cash flow generation in the second half. More or less along the lines of what we saw last year, we also saw a very significant recovery maybe not at that level. Last year was pretty spectacular. The way it picked up in the second half given the RAM profile and given the AR profile that I just talked about. I expect a little less in the second half of this year in comparison to last year, but nonetheless a very significant improvement. And once we see that, and once we see that that free cash flow generation starts to become healthy again. And we also conclude that the main risks in our ecosystem are more or less under control. At that point in time, we do believe that – and we can start executing on share buyback again, and that could be this year. That could definitely be in Q4. And our expectations as it relates to the free cash flow generation would be in line with that model. That indeed, in Q4, we can start generating and can start executing on share buyback again.

Okay. Thank you. And just a quick follow-up. I mean it’s a fairly minor point. Given the COVID-19 issues this year, not only did you stop the buyback, but of course, you didn't declare an interim dividend either, which you had started with last year. Would the intent be to return to that sort of phasing in 2021?

No, just to be clear. So the interim dividend that we do is an interim dividend that we would do in the – at the end of the year. So what we said, we declared an interim dividend in November of last year and we said that that was the plan that we had. So it's not like – so we had an interim dividend in November then we had the final dividend in April right after the AGM. And that's the pattern that in essence we are looking at again. So if everything remains normal, then you would see that pattern repeated in the next year. So November, interim dividends and final dividend in April.

Okay. Thank you. That's clear.

Next question is from Mr. Amit Harchandani. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Amit Harchandani from Citi, and thanks for letting me on. A question and a follow-up, if I may. So my question relates to 2021 please. Peter and Roger, I would appreciate your thoughts in terms of helping us understand how do you think it all shakes up in terms of litho intensity and capacity going into 2021? Logic has been on an elevated level from 2019. Memory is picking up, but to what extent are your customers talking about 2021? And what's the level of visibility there, please? That would be my first question. And I have a clarification follow-up. Thank you.

Yes. I think that's a very good question. I think when we think about 2021, and we look at the situation today as compared to let's say six months ago at the beginning of the year. I mean, it may not be a surprise that in the boardrooms of our customers, but also of our peers and ourselves, the level of uncertainty as to the GDP environment and – has, of course, gone up. So I mean, there's high level of uncertainty on what that could mean because we haven't really got a very good assessment and as a quantifiable assessment on what 2021 means. And I hope you understand. Now having said that, as also said in my prepared remarks that the innovation and the roadmap innovation of our customers are still continuing, which is true for Logic and it's true for Memory. And as it relates to EUVs, particularly for DRAM and for the seven and the five nanometer expansions. That will continue, there's no doubt in our minds. Now when we then look at 2021, what can we see at this moment in time? And as you know, I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know how 2021 is going to look from a macroeconomic point of view. But when you take our 2020 guidance, if you want to call it this way, we said Logic as compared to 2019, flat, Memory as compared to 2019, 30% up, installed base, 20% up to a level of €3.4 billion. You take those numbers, you come to a number. And if you take that as a 2021 targeted number and look at where we are today in the discussions with our customers, on Logic, and on DRAM and, of course, with all the caveats as I just mentioned on the COVID-19. We could still see double-digit sales number growth in 2021. That's based on what we see today. Now the only – the biggest difference with now and six months ago has to do with what I started off with, where the level of uncertainty is, of course, different today than it was six months ago. But this is where we are, and I think we will probably get some more clarity over the next two quarters. Towards the end of the year, we'll probably get a better view on what this all means and we have the first quarters of the COVID-19 and GDP impact behind us. Now I hope, Amit, I just gave you a little bit of guidance, and I also hope that you understand that we – at this moment in time, it's very difficult to be quantitative on 2021.

Understood, Peter. That's helpful. And secondly, as a clarification, if I may. Looking at your bookings number, three EUV systems for about €461 million suggests it was a mix of 3400C and potentially 3600D tools and clearly a higher ASP of around €160 million for 3600D. And as we look towards 2021, are you in a position to at least give us some help in terms of how we should think of the mix of shipment of 3400C and D and what that means for ASP and what that would mean for the 45 to 50 capacity that we are talking about? Thank you.

Yes. It will be a mix of 3400Cs and 3600Ds. So yes, we’ve seen this mix also in the ASP of the bookings, I mean as you point it out. But it's just that trend going forward. I think the first half of 2021 will probably be more skewed towards the Cs, but then it will translate into the Ds, so the second half of the year, you will see Ds. And we're going to ship the first, let's say, plan to ship the first 3600D this year. There’s only one. So that will be a year of ramp of the D version in 2021. And like I said in my prepared remarks, we are preparing the capacity as we talked about to be between 45 and 50 systems. And yes, you will see that transition using that capacity from Cs throughout the year, like I said, second half will involve the Ds and in the first half of the year a mix.

Thank you very much, Peter. Appreciated.

Next question comes from Mr. C.J. Muse. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Yes. Evercore ISI. Thank you for taking the question. I guess, first question to follow-up on the last one, with the 3600D, I guess first you had three tool orders. Can you help us understand the mix between Logic and Memory, and also provide geography? And then as part of the deramping throughout 2021, how should we think about the gross margin implications?

Okay. I'll give the last part to Roger. Yes, the level of granularity with the three orders is of course – it could be significant. But three orders were evenly spread – no evenly spread, it was – there were at least one for a Memory customer, which is – I would now say that all our key Memory customers have now EUV ordered and shipped, which is good. And there was also some Logic orders there, but it was a mix. But more importantly, I think when you think about memory and DRAM, we now have all our Memory customers in our order book.

And C.J. as it relates to gross margin, on the D, in terms of ASP, we're looking at 15%, maybe a little bit more increase in ASP. As you know this year what we're looking at is over 40% on EUV gross margin on system sales. I think with 50% up, we should definitely be able to get to EUV gross margin at the level of the corporate gross margin. That's what we're looking at. So that's the kind of improvement that we're eyeing for them.

That's very helpful. If I could just sneak in another gross margin question. Curious how we should be thinking about the new 2050 immersion and the 1470 dry in context with the D as you think about gross margins into 2021. Is 50 what we should be thinking about or because of the new product profiling coming in, is there more upside?

I think the combination of the 1470 and the 2050 should give us approximately 1% uptick in corporate gross margin. That's the way you should look at that.

Very helpful. Thank you.

Our next question is from Mr. Krish Sankar. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Hi. It's Krish from Cowen. Thanks for taking my question. Two of them. First one, Peter, when you look into the second half with the Memory strength continuing, how do you parse it between China, DRAM and NAND, which is driving the incremental strength in Memory in the second half? And then, I have a follow-up.

The Memory strength – is your question, Krish, just to make sure that I understand it clearly. The Memory strength in the second half, are you asking how much of that has to do with China?

I'm just trying to figure out what is driving the growth. Is it China? Is it DRAM? How do you categorize between DRAM and NAND?

Yes. I think, it is basically all of that, it's our Chinese customers, which is a mix of Logic and NAND and DRAM customers. But it's also the traditional DRAM customers that are driving the demand in the second half. So it's a mix and it's pretty well spread, but if you would say, where is the emphasis, the emphasis will be on the – I would say the more traditional DRAM customers in the second half.

Got it. That's very helpful. And then a follow-up for Roger. You mentioned about the EUV services gross margin hitting breakeven in the second half. So when you look into 2021, would there be a big inflection in the services gross margins because EUV is now profitable? Or do you think it's going to be more gradual?

Sorry, would it be what?

More gradual.

It will be gradual and because both drivers that I mentioned before, both on the revenue side and on the cost side that will continue to ramp. So it's not like a flip of the switch that it's going up. This is a gradual process that you will see continue throughout the year, the quarters to come.

Thank you very much.

Next question is from Mr. Sandeep Deshpande. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Yes. Hi. JPMorgan. Can you talk about EUV and Memory? I mean, clearly you had said earlier in year, you're shipping a couple of EUV to DRAM this year. How you see that as part of that 45 to 52 tools next year and what you're hearing from your customers in terms of the development of EUV layers in the DRAM releases of next year? And I have one quick follow-up question.

Yes. I think, the EUV business for next year will be predominantly Logic. But yes, we will ship the first EUV systems to DRAM. It will be a limited number of – there will be – the layer application for the first DRAM node for the first EUV application in the DRAM node will be limited, just probably one layer. But it will grow in the nodes thereafter and the DRAM roadmap in terms of node introduction has actually accelerated so much. So I would expect that the introduction of this one layer node will happen next year. But in 2022 and 2023 that will accelerate. And I think we have models up to potentially five layers in DRAM. But that's not in the node for which we'll use EUV next year. The majority of our shipments in 2021 on the EUV will be for Logic.

Understood. And then Roger, how are you looking at this whole – margin, gross margin in EUV trending toward the Deep UV level and I mean, are you on track to do this in 2022 or 2023? And I mean you've talked about this in your Analyst Day in the past. So when does that crossover with that?

I think that that's indeed the right timeframe that you're referencing. So and by the way, when you – 2022, 2023, and by the way, when you talk about Deep UV gross margins, of course, we have to recognize that within Deep UV a bit between different tools. There are some significant differences in the – in gross margin, but indeed with the D model, and then obviously at some stage getting to its successor as well. That's the point in time where the lines between, let's say emerging gross margin and UV gross margin need to get close or cross. And I think the 2022 and 2023 timeframes that the right way to look at that.

Thank you.

Next question is from Mr. Achal Sultania. Please state your company name followed by a question.

Hi. Good afternoon. It's Credit Suisse. Question on the bookings again. Obviously, the bookings number is a €1.1 billion for this quarter, much lower than what you've seen over the last few quarters? I know you already have a large order backlog. I think you mentioned about €10 billion in your interview this morning. So I guess how much of – this is a function of your customers basically saying, okay, let's hold on, we already have a lot of orders, backlog with you. Let's wait for those orders to be fulfilled. And how much did the function of the fact that they themselves have limited visibility on what the shape of recovery will be on the macro side as we go into the back half of the year? Can you just help us understand like, what are you hearing from your customers on that front?

I think you just mentioned it. I mean, I can repeat your question as an answer in the sense that you just touched on all of it. Yes. We had seen a fight for the last two quarters as Q1 and Q4 of last year, but €5.6 billion in total over those two quarters. That is – and basically adding up to an order backlog of €10 billion with know, even for 2021, already 28 systems, slated for 2021 shipment for EUV, which is more than half of our production capacity. And mind you we're in the middle of 2020. So I think that of course it gives the customer the confidence that they have secured a significant part of their capacity ramp. If you add to that that in Q2 this year of course, the full extent of the COVID crisis and the uncertainty associated hit the boardrooms of our customers that also said, listen, yes, there is a higher level of certainty. I think that has definitely played in this particular situation. Having said that I think in the discussion with our customers, we are very confident that we will keep booking EUV systems throughout the remainder of the year. So and I would be – I think by the end of the year, when we do our Q4 conference call in six months from now, we have a very good view on what 2021 is going to look like. And I think will probably be fully booked. And what that fully booked means is fully booked on the demand of what that ever is going to be. But we're preparing, like I said, four hour, uh, capacity, 45 to 50 systems just in case, our customers come back and said, the demand for 2021 is going to be that high and I want you to make those systems. So the preparations for the capacity are ongoing, but the ultimate demands of customers will be is a function of what I just said, and that level of uncertainty has clearly gone up as compared to six months ago, what it's finally going to be. But all-in-all, and only repeat 2020, 2021, now when you take our – let's say guidance, you could say it for 2020, you add up those numbers, we've see a real, real opportunity based on what you see today of again, a double digit growth in 2021?

Right. Okay. That's helpful. And maybe a follow-up, I guess, when we look at the 35 EUV shipment number or target that you have for this year. How should we think about the mix between a Logic, Foundry and DRAM? Can you give us some color, like any rough ranges, just to help us understand where we are in the adoption curve for DRAM market?

The adoption growth for DRAM where do we need to look at next year? I mean this year, these are the first few systems into the DRAM customer base, and it's really predominantly 80% to 90%. It's just Logic.

Okay. That's all. Well thanks a lot, Peter.

Next question is from Mr. Pierre Ferragu. Please state your company name, followed by a question.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. It's Pierre from New Street Research. Peter, I wanted to ask you about China. So it's fair to assume that China is going to make it up to continue to improve its manufacturing capabilities. And we've seen a player there doing a significant capital raise, not so long ago. So is that probably going to build an ability to assemble, manufacturing lines, despite pressure – it could be new controls that could be implemented. It could be new laws and legislations we need to comply with so it might be bit harder. But a complete step I don’t see. I see more let's say regulation are more complains that will be put on us, but I think on the equipment industry at large.

Our next question is from Mr. Stephane Houri. Please state your company name, followed by a question.

Yes. Hello, good afternoon, Stephane Houri from Oddo BHF. Quick question on the Logic Foundry spending that seems to be continuing to be strong in the second half and maybe in 2021, can you just share with us your view on why is logic, foundry, so strong and so long because the cycle seems to be a bit long this time. Thank you.

Yes, I think it has to do with the fact that the roadmaps are accelerating. I mean I could probably go back to 2018 when we had these conference calls or during these conference calls, one thing has now changed and that is that UV has turned a corner. And I think gives a very clear roadmap to our customers to start thinking about an economic, way to continue with their roadmap. So you can shrink at affordable cost. And that meant that we saw the roadmaps of our customers accelerate or at least the two year cadence in their design roadmaps are still there. And on top of that, with that new technology, with those new nodes, they could provide deck and customers which are much more now in the space of 5G off platform companies, artificial intelligence virtual and augmented reality. The electrification of the automotive industry, the customer base has expanded so much to make use of that technology. Now and do just and in the discussions we have with our customers. We really see how we have these discussions that certain of these notes, these new nodes. I'd say the five and a seven nanometers nodes might be as big as that 14 and the 20 and the 20 nanometer node, because of the fact that the customer base has expanded so much and to go to make use of this more economical transition of these nodes. It basically is going to provide a lot of value. And this is why this length of this cycle, if you want to call it, but it's good to go say just the multiple cycles. Yes, closer together with a bigger customer base. Yes. That looks like its one big cycle, but the more cycles, it's an innovation cycles driven by more customers and basically shorter and that's what's happening today. And I think it's also thanks to EUV, I mean we can now make this economical.

Okay. And with the ramp up EUV solid logic fundraise, as you said, and the recovery memory, it is likely that you will reach the low end of the 2025 guidance by 2021? So the question is do you intend to update us on that anytime soon? Thank you.

In everything that I said, lot you have to refer to the lower end of the guidance. What is the lower end of the guidance in your 15 years? That's what you're probably referring to. I think, like I said, I'm not going to be a quantitative. I just gave you this vision, yes or what is happening today, and everything – and then go back to our 2018 Capital Markets Day. It was not about like in 2016, will EUV work, or will it not work? No, no. EUV will work and the guidance was really driven by the market scenarios. Are we talking about the low market scenario, the high market scenario? This will drive the number. Now I can only go back to what I said earlier and what that is – in the end, I'm not going to comment that in a qualitative way, but what I said earlier, if you take our 2020 guidance, we see real opportunity of what we see today. Yes. I think it is realistic to assume. We see double-digit growth also in alternative 2021, yes. And I think, and what that number is going to be in the end, when it's going to hit exactly on the low end of the 2025 scenario number, I don't know. We'll see.

Thank you.

Our next question is from Aleksander Peterc. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Yes, good afternoon. This is Aleksander at Soc Gen. I just have two. So the first one would be on the new model, the model D of the EUV machine, will there be an upgradability path from C to D coming through in the next year because obviously the B to C migration wasn't that obvious. But I'm wondering if this is slightly different with the C to D migration? And then just secondly, on working capital, can you help me understand the prepayments for EUV are instrumental in the projected improvement of your operating working capital metrics and whether that comes through as and when you have a significant amount of new orders coming through? Thanks.

Yes, I think the upgradability of the C to D that's what a lot of customers are actually asking. It will be expensive. So it's really – I think it's technically possible, but I think it's going to be a matter of economic feasibility and the time it will take to do the upgrade because the C tools will be down to do the upgrades. And these are very expensive tools. So I think technically possible, but just need to see whether it can be economically done. So it's still not something that we're planning for today, but there is a technical capability. On the working capital?

On the working capital, indeed the down payments as part of that, you call it as instrumental in the working capital and free cash flow recovery that you talked about. And we'll come with new orders, so with orders coming in this year.

Excellent. Thanks.

All right. We have time for one last question. If you were unable to get through on this call and still have questions, please feel free to contact the ASML Investor Relations department with your question. Now, operator, may we have the last caller please?

Thank you, sir. The final question is from Mr. Joe Quatrochi. Please state your company name followed by your question.

Yes, it's Wells Fargo. Thanks for taking the question. On the foundry/logic side for 2020, you talked about it being relatively flat, so that would kind of imply revenue for the second half to be down in the low double-digit range year-over-year despite what it should be a backend loaded year for EUV on the revenue rec side. So I guess number one, am I thinking about that right? And then number two, if I am, can you talk about the puts and takes of what's driving that?

Yes. I think, we not only said EUV, we also said Deep UV. So I mean, it's going to be a mix. And of course, like we said, year-on-year will be flat for Logic. And yes, EUV is going to be higher in the second half than in the first half. But it doesn't change the overall picture in all Logic and we feel comfortable. If you're going to look at our order book and our shipment pattern, that's a Logic, which is a combination of Deep UV and EUV. Yes. We'll be about the same, maybe flat year-on-year.

And Joe just to be clear on Logic, so if you look at the material, we'll record at 2.7 for Logic in the first half, so that means that 3.9 are necessary or expected if you like to get to the 6.6 that you would get to if you stay flat on Logic. So that would lead to an increase as Peter rightfully pointed it out would lead to an increase in the second half, but then it would be in the mix of EUV and Deep UV.

Okay, thanks. I understand that – more about the year-over-year decline on the second half versus second half?

Well, I don't – that could be second half over second half, but I mean, it's actually – I need to look at that data, but I don't think it's that relevant to me. We're not – it is just the timing when customers require those systems. I think quarter-on-quarter, it could be big differences, and half-on-half could be big differences. I think we're looking at year-to-year. That's a longer period. That makes sense. It shouldn't make those periods too short to go there because of big changes, the big tools, customer shipments patterns vary quarter-to-quarter quite significantly. So that's a bit dangerous to draw any conclusion from that.

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator? Skip?

Operator, can you close the call?

Yes, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the ASML 2020 second quarter financial results conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

Thank you.