Maybe just to provide some broad context, right, for operating rates and see if we can unpack some of the dynamics. Certainly, as you point out, North American producers are in a better position. And certainly, we maintain our leading cost position in caprolactam. But If you think about global operating rates, you've got about 84%, let's say, estimated rate here in Americas, Europe is struggling closer to about 40%, china is operating around 70%, and sort of rest of Asia, 55%, 60-ish percent. We have for these downturns as you've indicated, seen sub-scale capacity and smaller plants that were on the right-hand side of the cost curve have certainly folded. We've seen that with the Mexican operations, certainly, the Japanese plants have been under pressure. And so -- but if you think about sort of where the world is challenged, Europe certainly is feeling quite a bit of that impact as well. So I think that since the start of the year, as you say, there has been a flattening, a bringing down of the value chain, but we also have the dynamics where in these cycles and in these downturns, the trade flows are shifting significantly. We see the exports from China. We typically lose the disciplined approach to marginal producer economics so that puts pressure. And you can see in the one chart too where the global composite holds out for a bit, but as those impacts come into play, the trade flow shift, the lower-priced import offerings come into play, those premiums do get compressed, and that's happened throughout this year as a result. So hopefully, that gives a little bit more context to how the dynamic is unfolding.