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Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 1, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Ashland Global Holdings Inc. Third Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Seth Mrozek, Director of Investor Relations.

Seth A. Mrozek - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Emily. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Ashland's third quarter fiscal 2018 earnings conference call and webcast. My name is Seth Mrozek, Director, Ashland Investor Relations. Joining me on the call today are Bill Wulfsohn, Ashland's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Kevin Willis, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We released preliminary results for the quarter ended June 30, 2018 shortly after 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time, yesterday, July 31. In addition, we posted slides to our website, ashland.com, under the Investor Relations section and have furnished each of these documents to the SEC in a Form 8-K. As a reminder, some of the matters discussed today and included in our presentations may include forward-looking statements as such term is defined under U.S. securities law. We believe any such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, but we cannot assure that such expectations will be achieved. Please also note that we will be discussing adjusted results during this call. We believe this enhances understanding of our performance by more accurately reflecting our ongoing business. With that, I will turn the call over to Bill. Bill?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning everyone, and thank you for calling into Ashland's third quarter fiscal year 2018 earnings call. During the quarter, the Ashland team took important step forwards on our path to becoming, the premier specialty chemicals company. First and foremost, we are delivering on the financial objectives we laid out during last year's Investor Day. Secondly, we have made great progress in our efforts to create a leaner, more cost competitive, growth-oriented specialty chemicals organization. Finally, we took many actions to stay on track with our intended sale of the composites business and the BDO facility in Marl, Germany. During today's call, we will provide you with an update on these three key topics. The common theme is that we are progressing rapidly to deliver on the strategic plans we outlined at Ashland's Investor Day conference last year. So, let's move into the first topic which is delivering on the fiscal year 2018 to 2021 performance targets. As you will recall, during last year's Investor Day, we outlined three core financial deliverables. The first was to increase Specialty Ingredients EBITDA margins to 25% to 27% of sales. The second was to grow EPS by at least a compounded annual growth rate of 15% per year. And the third was to generate a $1 billion of cumulative free cash flow. So, beginning with the first, to increase ASI's adjusted EBITDA margin to 25% to 27%, we have focused on four key areas. The first is to deliver GDP plus organic ASI revenue growth. To this end, we have revitalized our commercial teams by implementing new tools to track share shift and price to value. We've also changed our sales incentive program from a team-based gross profit dollar metric to one that ties directly to an individual's mix, share shift, pricing and…

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Adjusted EBITDA on the quarter was $189 million, up 17% from the year ago period. In the quarter, we reported GAAP earnings from continuing operations of $0.56 per diluted share. On an adjusted basis, we reported income from continuing operations of $1.13 per diluted share, compared to $0.83 in the prior year. This compares to our outlook at the beginning of the quarter of $0.95 to $1.05 per diluted share. Free cash flow during the third quarter was $88 million, compared to $80 million in the prior year. These amounts include $8 million in restructuring costs in the second quarter of fiscal 2018, and $21 million of restructuring in the year ago period. Our effective tax rate for the third quarter after adjusting for key items was 14%, compared to 11% in the prior year period. We continue to expect our effective tax rate for the full year to be in the range of 13% to 17%. In any given quarter, the rate can fluctuate based primarily upon income mix and discrete tax items. Our outlook for the fourth quarter assumes an effective tax rate of approximately 19%. Assuming our effective tax rate in the fourth quarter is 19%, the full year effective tax rate would be approximately 15% or the middle of our range. Now, for an update on the sale process for Composites and Marl. We are pleased with the progress thus far. Books were distributed in July. Management presentations with interested buyers are currently under way. We anticipate that at the time of the sale, we will transfer approximately $150 million of EBITDA to the new owner, and we continue to be on-track to have an agreement signed by late this calendar year. We will provide additional updates on the…

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Kevin. We are excited by the strengthening momentum in our core business, and believe that our continued actions will accelerate our journey to becoming the premier specialty chemicals company. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

And our first question comes from the line of Mike Harrison from Seaport Global Securities. Your line is open.

Michael Joseph Harrison - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Mike.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Mike.

Michael Joseph Harrison - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

We appreciate the detailed breakdown that you guys provided on slide 10 of the deck there, with the SG&A cost. Just wondering, if there are some opportunities within the distributed costs beyond the $70 million that you've called out for Composites and I&S? I'm wondering, if there's an opportunity to work down some of that $162 million for ASI, or the $50 million worth of legacy on allocated costs?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Certainly, we have challenged our team to look at avenues to drive for further cost savings. And we see opportunities ultimately that could help us achieve a larger number, but the program that we have put forward has a very specific timeframe associated with it. So the costs we've identified, or the targets we have set, are really related to that period. And some of the additional costs that we may be able to take out over time may require more structural work than we can complete in this period of time. So, we've challenged the team and we think there ultimately is a path. But we do believe that these are objectives – are aggressive and achievable targets within the timeframe that we have laid out.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah, Mike, ultimately this is a process that in effect never really ends. I mean you have programs along the way. And it's certainly our objective to make the company as competitive as possible. And we've laid out these objectives I think pretty, pretty clearly. Probably one thing worth noting is, we would expect – and this is a trailing 12 number based on June 30. We would actually expect the corporate and allocated to come in squarely within the range that we've put out there. So, that number we would expect in total to come down and total SG&A to be closer to $700 million for the full fiscal 2018 year. Like Bill said, we're going to continue after this. I mean, it does get more difficult as you get smaller. But, you just have to be more thoughtful about things. And so, clearly we're going to continue to do that.

Michael Joseph Harrison - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

All right. I appreciate that. And then just a quick question on Pharmachem, the $56 million in revenue that you reported this quarter, can you help us frame up whether that's growing on an organic basis compared to last year? And if not, what is causing the weakness, and maybe what actions are you taking to help get the growth moving in the right direction there?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, first of all, the sales we have focused very hard from the time that we acquired the business, looking through the mix of activities, the mix of business and really tried to focus the organization on those areas which are more differentiated. And with that, there are some portions of the business that we have chosen to exit. That being said, we see sales momentum in the business growing and at the type of targeted margins that we believe are appropriate for this type of business. And, we are also leveraging some of the existing and available capacity actually to support our broader growth within the core Ashland business. So, we've done this specifically, if you will, to drive to a particular mix. You see it in the margins, the EBITDA margins that I referenced before. And we now see that this is a great place for us to grow from in terms of revenue.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

And Mike, the thing I would add to that is that the way we're reporting this out, this is strictly sales dollars going through the legacy Pharmachem systems. Bill mentioned a specific item and his comments about a customer that we worked with because they were having tablet issues, and we basically pushed through our film coating and our excipient products which come out of Ashland's pharma business. Those revenues would actually be reported as part of our pharma sales. And so, we've really bifurcated this when in fact there are commercial synergies that are taking place within the business that aren't as transparent, frankly. But we do have those teams working very closely together, and that's part of what's helping leverage a better mix and improve margin in that business overall.

Michael Joseph Harrison - Seaport Global Securities LLC

Analyst

All right. Thanks very much.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Parking (sic) [Parkinson] from Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Christopher S. Parkinson - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Great. Thank you. Can you just comment on what innings you're in regarding the Benecel product shift in Belgium, and also where exactly you stand on meeting specs for Klucel out of Hopewell, Virginia? Just trying to get a sense of where you stand now and where you plan to be next year. And also, on the personal care side, can you just quickly parse out what you're seeing across skin, hair and oral? Thank you.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

So, to begin with on the pharma side, in the Benecel and Klucel, as you'll recall and you followed, we had a major debottlenecking effort which was very successful last year, and that has really given us the upside capacity to pursue significant growth opportunities. You see that represented now in our sales, and essentially our commercial team is unconstrained. We have a number of grades of materials in the Klucel area and we have gotten a majority of those approved for production and sales. And what we're seeing in that area is that as we increase our production, demand is following closely behind it. So I think we'll be very effectively utilizing that capacity. And I think it's actually something which will be an opportunity for the future in terms of optimizing that mix and looking for further debottlenecking operations in that area. In the consumer area, you really have quite a mix. As you know, we have such a large number of products and large number of customers. Lots of things are moving around. We're excited about some of the new products introductions that we have. FiberHance bm is being used now in more and more hair care applications. Biofunctional applications are being used in the skin care area. So it's hard to say specifically, if you will, the specific trends by area, but in general, we are seeing I think some really nice development of our focus on innovation and helping to drive our overall consumer sales, and you see that in our results. Christopher S. Parkinson - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Great. And just very quickly from a strategic perspective, across the ASI portfolio, can you just further discuss your ongoing price discipline efforts, certainly in the context of rising raw materials? And just whether or not you're still walking away from certain businesses, low-priced contracts? I mean, it sounds like you are, but can you just – we just want to get a sense of just viewing price-cost on a sub-segment basis as we head into fiscal year 2019. Thank you.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Certainly that's a great question, and we have seen, as I referenced before, about $25 million of inflation. And really, each quarter we've continued to see inflation rise and we've challenged the teams to go out and push through price, which I think they've done on a very effective basis across the great majority of our product lines. And a key part of that, and this is why sometimes we put the two together, is when we're negotiating with customers, we push for price. And at the same time, we push for a more optimal mix which has a greater profit contribution, and that ends up being, if you will, a win-win for both the customer and for Ashland. So we have some areas of our business, some purchase for resale products and some other areas which we've talked about in the past where, frankly, we move the price or we walk away from the business. But that's a pretty small percentage of our overall company right now. Christopher S. Parkinson - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Sison from KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Michael J. Sison - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, guys. Nice quarter.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Mike.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Michael J. Sison - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

In terms of ASI, thinking about each of the end markets, can you maybe talk about the momentum for organic growth heading into 2019? And I know it's a little bit early to give guidance, but just curious, when you think about the growth this year, it's been really good. Do you think that growth can to some degree continue next year?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Well, that's certainly our objective is to continue the growth, and in a marketplace which is we'll say globally relatively healthy, we do anticipate to grow. As I mentioned before, because we have such a broad range of products in such a broad range of markets, there's going to be areas which we'll see lots of growth like we've seen this year in pharma, and we expect to continue. There'll be other areas that will grow at a more nominal rate like we've seen also this year. So in the aggregate, we certainly see ourselves continuing to grow. And by the time we have our next earnings call, I think we'll be giving you a better perspective on what we see in terms of sales and earnings for the next fiscal year.

Michael J. Sison - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Great. And then just wanted to dig in real quick on the distributor costs for ASI. Can you maybe help us understand what's in that, is that or is there a lot of just IT, back office, corporate, just maybe help us understand what those are?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure. Sure. Mike. Well, a couple of things just to put some clarity around that. Total allocated costs for fiscal 2018 are expected to be around $230 million. And those costs are distributed based upon effectively budgeted sales levels, that's where those numbers come from. And yes, that $160-ish million distributed to ASI would include effectively all support costs related to the business; finance, IT, HR, legal, real estate, the executive team, pretty much. We run a pretty much full allocation model of thing with regard to things that would relate to running and operating the business. We capture those in a central way, and then we distribute them out. A lot of companies do this in a variety of ways. We've looked at a lot of different organizations. Some don't distribute any. Some distribute a 100%. Most are somewhere in the middle. And this is the model that we've used for a long, long time. And it's consistent and has remained consistent. So, but yeah, it pretty much includes everything to support the business.

Michael J. Sison - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Roberts from UBS. Your line is open. John, your line is open.

John Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Yeah. Sorry about that. I was on mute. How much did margins benefit year-over-year from having a full quarter of Pharmachem this year versus a partial quarter last year?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Are you referring to margins or contribution?

John Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Yeah. Your margin percent, Pharmachem was above average, right?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Right. Well we could – we need to take a quick look at that because of the relative sales that we have and the sales mix at 30% versus the overall average. Clearly, it was accretive to our margins just trying to get a little bit of a perspective here. I think the...

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. John, it would have been a few tenths. The vast majority of the improvement is coming from the overall, kind of, call it the base ASI business that's just frankly operating better with better mix and better overall margins, plus somewhat lower cost structure on an overall basis. So, it really comes down mostly to that. Certainly, Pharmachem helped with a 30% EBITDA margin for that $55 million of revenue, $56 million. But if you look at overall sales north of $600 million, while it's – while it helps and it's a tailwind, it certainly has taken the overall business to really drive that improvement.

John Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then, on slide 6 with all of the different product lines within Specialty Ingredients, after you complete the divestments, do you see them as similar enough in margins to report earnings for just one segment for new Ashland? And I asked that because I think ISP actually used to report a couple of different segments within their Specialty Ingredients business before you acquired it.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. John, it's a good question. We talked before about segmentation, and that's a topic that we're still, I would say, analyzing internally and how to best portray the business going forward. We understand the desire for more transparency within the business, and that's – we're very cognizant of that, we're very sensitive to that. And certainly, that will come into play. I think the way to think about it is, as we're going down this path toward a likely divestiture of the Composites and Marl business. That will all come into play as we think about how to appropriately report out the business that remains after those are gone.

John Roberts - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Laurence Alexander - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Good morning. Two quick clarifications. On the distributed cost, is there anything about what you have in there that makes comparing it as a percentage of sales to other companies of SG&A footprints sort of inappropriate? Is there anything structurally different because of the way Ashland was put together through so many acquisitions and divestitures? And secondly, on the 15% target that you mentioned earlier. Just to be clear, given how this year is shaping up that is a target where it resets every year with at least to 15% each year from however well you do. And you're not giving back any ground based on the fact that you're going to be paying down more debts and having less cash available for buybacks. Is that the right way to interpret the comments?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

I think to your second question that's probably right. I think, for sure the divestiture will be somewhat diluted but it's our objective through – through managing our balance sheet, as well as the cost take out to eliminate and frankly improve upon that dilution as much as possible as quickly as possible. So that's how we're thinking about – that's how we're thinking about that. And when you look at the distributed costs, I think, if you look at the business direct and the distributed there's probably not much in there that wouldn't be "normal" for a lot of companies to have. Just keep in mind, all of that – we look at those holistically. We look at them together, so for ASI today, that number would be, addressable cost, it would be $430 million. So, that's how we think about that. It's really one big bucket that has to be managed. What we do have, and that's why we called it out separately, we've talked about it before, but the $91 million of deal amortization that today runs through SG&A is very different than most companies you would compare us to. And you really have to set that aside. There's nothing we can do to really deal with that number. That's the number that's just going to run through the P&L until it doesn't and it's got a pretty long tail. One of the ways we address that in the quarterly earnings materials is we actually call out what the adjusted EPS would have been, were it not for that, to give people a better indication. But that's the only one that really stands out. That's pretty large compared to about anybody you would compare us to, just based on all the transactions that we've done.

Laurence Alexander - Jefferies LLC

Analyst

Fair enough. Thanks.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Begleiter from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

David I. Begleiter - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Hi, David.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

David I. Begleiter - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Bill and Kevin, back to slide 10 on the distributed cost, do you have a rough breakdown at least by percentage of the cost by function? I know it can't be exact, but just is it – to have 15% financed, 25% real estate, anything like that would be helpful?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Certainly that is something that we have looked at and we have assessed and we've worked to understand what is optimal for our business profile and what we think are appropriate benchmarks, so that's something that we have a clear eye on. And it's part of what we've used to set some of the we'll say immediate near-term targets that we have for the respective functions. But, we don't have that information to disclose at this point in time in this document.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Just to give you a little bit of insight into process. Bill mentioned that we've hired Bain to help us with this. And they and others of course have benchmarks that you have to work through those in terms of how they may apply to the size, scope, scale and complexity of your own business. But, for sure, part of what we're doing with all of this is first objective is to at a minimum take care of the stranded cost, that $70 million, that's the first thing and foremost thing that we have to do. So that's what's looming most urgently on the horizon, that's what we're focused on. You go beyond that it really becomes as Bill mentioned an exercise in focusing on how we can continue to lean out business and do that in a thoughtful way. But also – yeah but also be as aggressive about that as we can, and that's certainly what we're going to do. And so, yes we – by function, we've looked at benchmarks, we know where we stand generally speaking, we know where some of our opportunities are and we're definitely focused on achieving those. And that's true, frankly both in the distributed cost piece, as well as the business direct piece.

David I. Begleiter - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Understood. And Kevin, just on the ASI EBITDA maybe the bridge from 2018 to 2019, just without being precise, if we take this years' midpoint of $575 million layer-in cost-savings, layer-in evolving growth, layer-in asset leverage operating leverage. How should we think about potentially ASI EBITDA for next year without being precise given the early nature of this question?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure, sure. I think – one of the things we've committed to is hard dollar savings of $20 million flowing through ASI's numbers and 2019. So, in addition to the stranded cost reductions that we're taking, we expect $20 million of cost-out over the course of the year to accrue to ASI's earnings. So, there's that piece. Beyond that, again, taking the $575 million midpoint, we would expect the business – we would expect the business and would think you would – to grow from an EBITDA perspective, mid-single digits. And I think that one of the things we have to keep in mind is that would imply EBIT growth of high-single to low-double digit given that the DA number is pretty fixed and frankly pretty large. So yeah, that's the way we think about the business. That's the way we talk about the business internally with the team, is this is a specialty business. It needs to grow like a specialty business and we've put up a couple of pretty good quarters around that. And the objective would be to continue to do that.

David I. Begleiter - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you very much.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Zekauskas from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Jeffrey J. Zekauskas - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Thanks very much. In your press release, you talk about strong volumes in Specialty Ingredients, but actually the volumes as you state them are down, that is, you're at 83,000 tons versus something close to 84,000 tons last year. And you acquired Pharmachem in the middle of the quarter last year, and so those tons should probably offset the loss to JV China tons. So, is that the case? Is your volume roughly zero for the quarter in Specialty Ingredients?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

No, the Pharmachem acquisition – frankly, the Pharmachem volumes are a fraction of the Tianpu JV volumes. Tianpu JV was a construction business and industrial business with a fair bit of volume in it. And so, yeah, it's – there's really no comparison between the two. I mean, overall volumes for the year in what we would call the base ASI business are up kind of low-single digits. And the Tianpu divestiture, which we're about flat, it does mute that, it does mute that progress that we've made. So, that's the best way to think about that.

Jeffrey J. Zekauskas - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

So you've been providing volume data for five years, and you've never had a sequential volume decrease in the third quarter over the past five years. It seems different. Second is there's the $37 million life insurance payment on your funds flow statement? What's that?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

That's retiring some company-owned life insurance that was borrowed against. It's basically an interest rate arbitrage opportunity.

Jeffrey J. Zekauskas - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

And is there an EPS effect to that?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Very, very small. It's probably $1 million pre-tax, (00:44:45).

Jeffrey J. Zekauskas - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jim Sheehan from SunTrust. Your line is open.

Peter Osterland - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning. This is Pete on for Jim.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Pete.

Peter Osterland - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Assuming the planned divestitures go through by the end of 2018, what is your M&A strategy in fiscal 2019 and beyond, and how do you balance that with your target for leverage?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

First of all, clearly, we have a very aggressive profile of activities that we need to complete separating and supporting ultimately the Composites business through its transition, working to reduce the cost that we've identified, and also sustained growth in the core business. I would say that that makes our strong priority focused on, if you will, internal opportunities and actions. And as Kevin mentioned, it would be our desire to deleverage. We think that that's a good thing for the company in general, as well as a good thing to do at this point in time. So, there may be opportunities for bolt-ons of some type that will enhance our technology base, but really our priority is on executing the agenda that we've put forward.

Peter Osterland - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

And an example of that strategy is earlier this year, we bought a very small, paid a very small amount for some injectable excipient technology that we're rolling into our pharma business as part of our overall excipients portfolio. That's the sort of thing that we'd be looking at. We've got plenty of opportunity within the business as it exists today. And certainly, the team is focused on tapping into all those opportunities as we go forward.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John McNulty from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

John P. McNulty - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Yeah. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I guess the first...

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

John P. McNulty - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Good morning. The first area I wanted to just touch on, on the cash flow side, I guess maybe two things tied to that. The first is of the $170-plus million that you're looking for in in 2018, can you give us a ballpark for what the asset divestitures that you're looking contribute to that so we can kind of think about what the true cash flow rate is as we're looking at 2019 going forward? And then, I guess, also on the cash flow front, you highlighted a lot of opportunities for cost reduction. Do you see anything in terms of some of the early work that you're doing that might point to working capital improvements and how you might be able to unlock some cash that way?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. To your first question, it's really zero. So, it's not impacting that cash flow number. And secondly, as it relates to working capital, clearly this is another frontier for us and we are focusing more energy on that now. That's important because it can help to drive of course continued cash flow growth, but also as we look at certain capital projects which will enable us to not only expand, but in certain instances, consolidate operations. We committed during our Investor Day to having 6.5% of our sales between changes in working capital and CapEx. And so, we're clearly focusing more and more energy on the working capital side.

John P. McNulty - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Got it. And actually on the first part of that, I think maybe I wasn't clear. So, of the – if you get $170 million, $175 million, how much this year are Composites and I&S contributing to that, not their sale, but the – I would imagine they're generating a reasonable amount of free cash right now?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. Kevin?

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. It's probably $50 million to $75 million. The Marl plant is fairly capital-intensive, so it wouldn't generate as much free cash. Composites, is much lighter on the CapEx front, so it's in the neighborhood of $50 million to $75 million. So, ultimately, we're going to have to replace that through growth in the business and a stronger balance sheet.

John P. McNulty - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Got it, great. And then just as a follow up, on the pricing versus raw materials equation in ASI, I guess, as – have you caught up at this point? And I guess how should we be thinking about the momentum as you're going into 2019? If you've got a flat raw material environment, is there more lift that we should be thinking about in 2019? I guess, how should we be thinking about that at this point?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We were able to cover, I will say, essentially all the raw material inflation we had realized up to the beginning of our quarter. We saw some incremental raw material inflation which then we took actions on in the quarter to further offset. So, there's been kind of a one quarter timing to absorb the raw material inflation and get it out in front of customers, make sure that we deal with that. So, we're staying on top of it. It's still a dynamic raw material environment, but it's our commitment to make sure we price through raw material inflation.

John P. McNulty - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst

Got it. Perfect. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of Dmitry Silversteyn from Longbow Research. Your line is open.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Yes. Thank you for taking my call. I'd just like to follow-up on the last question. You talked about $25 million in raw material headwind. I'm not sure if it was for the company overall or for ASI specifically, but...

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

That's ASI.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

...if you just look at ASI, that's basically just over 1% of your sales. I'm assuming you've got more than 1% in price in aggregate on ASI year-to-date. So, would it be fair to say that you're through recapturing raw material pressures and now we're working on restoring margin. Or am I wrong in my analysis?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

When – first of all, the $25 million is correct, and we're referencing that relative to ASI. We have obviously focused on a number of levers and have been able to drive improved margins by really leveraging all of those. As I just mentioned, with raw material prices continuing to go up, we've priced our way through those items that have come in. As new items come in, we've put new challenges before our team. And as I also mentioned earlier, when we're negotiating with customers and working through issues, what we do is we focus on the price equation. But we also focus on areas where we can get enhanced margin through mix to enhance our gross profit dollars as well as percent. Even in inflationary environment. So, that's really been the core strategy. And it's our intention to continue to price through raw material inflation. It's been continually growing throughout the year. And we've been working continually to offset it. The gap keeps narrowing as the kind of pace of raw material price increases has slowed down substantially.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then just as a follow-up, the reasons for relocating to Wilmington as far as your headquarters are concerned, I mean, is it going to be just a sort of paper relocation or a physical relocation? And if the latter, sort of what's the reason for that other than cost savings, I guess, is it the anti-takeover protection that the Delaware registrations offer? Is it lower taxes? I mean, how are you looking at that HQ move physical versus paper and then the reasons for it?

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

So, Kevin has a comment here, and I'll turn it over to him in a second. But I just like to go back to what we've said that, yes, in fact, we are focused on reducing our costs, and, yes, as we reduce our footprint, that not only reduces, if you will, our cost associated with having multiple operations. But more important, our goal is to drive greater cohesion between our team to make more rapid decision making, to really work in a central location where we can drive actions that can help us to grow the business and do so in a more cost-efficient manner, and that is the core objective of our activity. So, Kevin, I don't know if there was something else you wanted to add.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure. Just around the incorporation piece, when we did the Valvoline transaction, we actually reincorporated the company in Delaware. So, we've been a Delaware corporation for a couple of years, give or take. And in terms of the headquarters piece, as you'll recall, we did the Hercules acquisition just almost 10 years ago. That's where Hercules was headquartered. We have a pretty large presence there from a commercial supply chain, R&D, and to an extent, back-office perspective, although we have a lot more back-office in Dublin, Ohio today. And so, that's – these are all drivers in addition to cost.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you, Kevin.

J. Kevin Willis - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Sure.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

I would just mention...

Operator

Operator

I am showing no further – my apologies.

William A. Wulfsohn - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

I was just going to add on to Kevin's comments. I would just say that as it relates to Covington, and I think that's also indicative of the fact that we really are looking at everything we do, every location that we operate, we are not holding certain parts of what we do or where we do it as special outside. We are taking a fundamental look at what's the best way to operate the company going forward. And obviously, Covington is an important part of what we do today and what we've done in the past. So, that's a – I think it's an important signal also in our commitment to focus on real change in the company.

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Mr. Mrozek.

Seth A. Mrozek - Ashland Global Holdings, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Emily. Thank you all for your time today. And thank you for your interest in Ashland. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating, and have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.