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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Arrowhead Pharmaceuticals Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]I will now hand the conference call over to Vincent Anzalone, Vice President of Investor Relations for Arrowhead. Please go ahead, Vince.

Vincent Anzalone

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Arrowhead's results for its fiscal 2019 third quarter ended June 30, 2019.With us today from management are President and CEO, Dr. Christopher Anzalone, who will provide an overview of the quarter; Dr. Bruce Given, our Chief Operating Officer and Head of R&D, who will discuss our clinical programs; and Ken Myszkowski, our Chief Financial Officer, who will give a review of the financials. We will then open up the call to your questions.Before we begin, I would like to remind you that comments made during today's call contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. All statements other than statements of historical fact, including, without limitation, those with respect to Arrowhead's goals, plans and strategies, are forward-looking statements. These include statements regarding our expectations around the development, safety and efficacy of our drug candidates, projected cash runway and expected future development activities. These statements represent management's current expectations and are inherently uncertain. Thus, actual results may differ materially.Arrowhead disclaims any intent and undertakes no duty to update any of the forward-looking statements discussed on today's call. You should refer to the discussions under Risk Factors in Arrowhead's annual report on Form 10-K and the company's subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q for additional matters to be considered in this regard, including risks and other considerations that could cause actual results to vary from the presently expected results expressed in today's call.With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Christopher Anzalone, President and CEO of the company. Chris?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Thanks, Vince. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.We made substantial progress during the quarter toward our short term and longer term goals. In particular, we took some very important regulatory and clinical steps that I will discuss in a moment.We now have a good mix of early, mid and later stage programs, both wholly-owned and partnered, and soon we will add candidates targeting cell types outside of the liver. This will be a big step for Arrowhead and more broadly for the entire RNAi field.In addition, we have multiple years of cash on our balance sheet and potentially access to more non-dilutive capital through milestone payments from our two external partnerships. Taken together, we have three critical components of success for a company like ours.One, a platform on which to build a variety of important new medicines; two, a pipeline of potential medicines spanning early discovery to later stage clinical trials; and three, the capital to fund development in further innovation; the fourth critical component is effective and a rapid execution.I believe we have clearly demonstrated this over the past few years and during the last quarter. Our overriding focus is on bringing important new medicines to patients who need them. And if we're able to do that, we will continue to build long-term value.Before I give a review of some of the highlights of the quarter, I want to make a couple of announcements. First, I am proud to announce a previously undisclosed program for which we expect to file a CTA at the end of this year, and begin first-in-human studies shortly thereafter.We have never discussed this program publicly. The target is HSD17B13, and potential indications we could address are alcohol related and non-alcohol related liver disease. The candidate is called ARO-HSD, and it…

Bruce Given

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Thank you, Chris. Good afternoon, everyone.We have made solid progress in all of our development programs during the recent period. I'll begin with a status update in our two wholly-owned cardiometabolic candidates ARO-ANG3, ARO-APOC3. ARO-ANG3 is Arrowhead subcutaneous delivered RNAi therapeutic targeting angiopoietin like protein 3 or ANGPTL3 being developed as a potential treatment for patients with dyslipidemias and possibly metabolic diseases.The ARO-ANG3 first-in-human study, which began dosing in quarter one is called AROANG1001. It is a Phase 1 single and multiple dose study to evaluate the safety, tolerability, pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamic effects of ARO-ANG3 in up to 70 subjects.The single dose portion of the study is in adult healthy volunteers and the multiple dose portion is in patients with various types of dyslipidemia. Including patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, patients on a stable statin treatment regimen with persistently elevated LDL cholesterol. Patients with heterozygous or homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia and patients with hyper hypertriglyceridemia.We have completed dosing in all of the single dose cohorts at 35 milligrams, 100 milligrams, 200 milligrams and 300 milligrams. We selected the 200 milligram dose to move forward with in the multiple dose patient cohorts and subsequently received Drug Safety Committee and IRB clearance to begin enrolling and dosing patients.Three of the multiple dose cohorts are fully recruited and dosing has begun. The recruiting process is in full swing in the other patient cohort. As we look towards the possibility to accelerate the development program, we've decided to expand the trial, adding dose ranging multi dose healthy volunteer cohorts to give us multi dose PK and pharmacodynamic data, and also some dose ranging multiple dose cohorts in patients with heterozygous or homozygous, familial hypercholesterolemia. This amendment should be submitted shortly.As for what we have learned to date, we have seen indications of activity based…

Ken Myszkowski

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

Thank you, Bruce, and good afternoon, everyone.As we reported today, our net income for the quarter ended June 30, 2019 was $20.3 million or $0.21 per share based on 98.9 million fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding. This compares with a net loss of $15.6 million or $0.18 per share, based on 87.6 million weighted average shares outstanding for the quarter ended June 30th, 2018.Revenue for the quarter ended June 30, 2019 was $42.7 million, compared with 727,000 for the quarter ended June 30, 2018. Revenue in the current period relates to the recognition of a portion of the upfront payments and milestone from our license and collaboration agreements with Janssen. While revenue in the prior period related to recognition of a portion of the upfront payments from our license and collaboration agreements with Amgen.Revenue from the Janssen agreement will be recognized based on our estimate of the proportion of effort expended toward fulfilling our performance obligations, primarily overseeing the completion of the current Phase 1/2 HBV clinical trial. We expect the majority of the revenue to be recognized in this fiscal year, but we also expect revenue in fiscal 2020 as we continue to perform certain follow up activities through 2020.Total operating expenses for the quarter ended June 30, 2019, were $24.1 million compared to $16.6 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2018. This increase is primarily due to increased drug manufacturing, toxicology and clinical trial costs as our pipeline and clinical candidates has increased.Net cash provided by operating activities during the quarter ended June 30, 2019 was $10.8 million compared with net cash used in operating activities of $14.4 million during the quarter ended June 30, 2018. The operating cash generated in the current period reflects the $25 million milestone payment we received from Janssen offset by cash used to fund our operations.Turning to our balance sheet, our cash and investments totaled $295.5 million at June 30, 2019, compared to $76.5 million at September 30, 2018, increasing our cash and investments as primarily due to the cash received from Janssen. Our common shares outstanding at June 30, 2019 were 95.2 million.With that brief overview, I will now turn the call back to Chris.

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Thanks Ken.We continue to demonstrate Arrowhead's ability to execute with speed and precision. We gained clinical experience and validation with our TRiM platform for liver delivery and then rapidly expanded our pipeline to include five programs, which will soon be six when we file a CTA for ARO-HSD by the end of this year.We also expect to have a seventh clinical program this year when we file an IND for ARO-HIF2, and an eighth when we file a CTA for ARO-ENaC in the first half of next year. This would be a big position for a company twice our size. Two partnered and six wholly-owned clinical programs spanning three cell types in the near term.Further, we expect to be in three pivotal studies and have no less than 10 clinical programs based on the TRiM platform, by the end of next year. We think we are now on the cusp of the next stage of growth for the company whereby we expect to rapidly build our pipeline in tumor, lung, muscle and eventually additional tissue types.The opportunities in front of us be limitless. If we can continue to achieve our long term strategic goals, do the following. One filed two to three new CTA's every year. Two, target a new cell type with a trim platform every 18 months. Three, have 10 TRiM enabled candidates in clinical studies by the end of 2020. And four, have three active pivotal studies in 2020.With all these programs, people ask us about our development and partners plans. Simply put, we have no appetite to partner any part of our pipeline right now. So this change in the future, I expected to be opportunistic rather than driven by necessity. We have indeed come far and there are still substantial value for us to create by developing and ultimately marketing these important medicines.Together our strong balance sheet and access to approximately $4 billion of non-dilutive capital be a potential development and commercial milestone payments enable us to pursue this strategy at this time. We are building a large but nimble long-term pharmaceutical company and the current pipeline is the core of that transition.Thanks for joining us again today. This is a uniquely exciting time for us, our shareholders and the patients, we hope to serve. I now like to open the call to your questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line from Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Fantastic update. Really excited to see all the progress. So just great job and looking forward toseeing you guys in New York on the 18th in October. Quick question, if I may. Just one on HBV with respect to REEF 1, how quickly should we expect that to be going, and what would expectations be for additive activity of 3989 or ARO-HBV, on top of the J&J compounds? And then I have a follow-up, if I may?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Bruce?

Bruce Given

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

So how quickly can we expect to get going. Of course, it's not our study. So, you know, we can't really guide on that. I mean, I know that they've been working hard on it. So I don't think it'd be a surprise if they got going this quarter. But I can't really guide for them.As for what's the likelihood of additive activity, it's really a hard call, I would say, Ted, you know, just because that the data so far with the cams, you know, they reduce DNA, they reduce HBV RNA, but they haven't impacted s-antigen or e-antigen really at all, even with six months of use.So the real question here is, - will we get some sort of additive or even synergistic activity when combining with RNAi and, you know, that currently is unknown in the field. And, as Chris said, the real game here is, it's a 48-week trial, so almost a year, and there's no experience with that at all.So I think, it's kind of anybody's guess, and you might hold take on this, as Ted, all along has been that - there will be many different recipes tried over the coming years in HBV. And, no one knows the optimal recipe yet. So I don't know how to really handicap it any better than that for you Ted. We just have to wait and see, it's going to be a very exciting time.

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

So I will say on that. It's a large - it's a relatively large study 450 people. We expect this to be a multi-national study, and so. And so we expect Janssen to have sites across multiple countries and they'll have access to a lot of patients. But I think, given what we know about - about the field, this feels to me like, I don't know, maybe if not the most interesting current study, pretty close to it, given the combination approach, given that it's on top of our RNai therapeutic which look to be quite active and quite well tolerated last year.So it feels to me like we have a - like Janssen has a pretty good shot of enrolling this thing at a reasonable clip.

Ted Tenthoff

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

And then just quickly HSD kind of comes out of nowhere but we certainly been hearing about the genetic validation around this target. Where do you think you guys are differentiated and how quickly do you think we could see Phase II plans sort of elucidated? Thank you very much.

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Yes, a slowdown on that one. We're not in Phase 1 yet. We are - we've moved very quickly on this. We think we're excited about the target. The GWAS data were - are powerful I think as to how we differentiate ourselves with other folks. It's hard to say because I think we're going to be the first in. So we'll just - we'll see how those data look and we'll see who joins us from the clinic at some point.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Keay Nakae from Chardan. Your line is open.

Keay Nakae

Analyst · Keay Nakae from Chardan. Your line is open

For HSD, in terms of the patient population you might go after, how easily are these patients diagnosed, especially with the particular markers that you think you would be targeting here?

Bruce Given

Analyst · Keay Nakae from Chardan. Your line is open

Yes. So, first of all, I mean, the HSD was discovered in GWAS through this variant that actually has lots of activity. So it's not just lots of activity, but also very rapidly metabolized. So essentially, you know, it winds up being a sort of loss of function variant. So, I guess the only patients you would say that would be inappropriate for treatment would be the people that already have that variant. So, we would be looking for the wild type, but normal population for treating.And as for which population or populations we will go after, I think it's probably premature to talk about that. I think that's a good target for discussion on October 18th. This is a relatively young target. You know the seminal paper in the New England Journal of Medicine only came out in March of 2018. So it was not previously identified as really an important target in fibrosin liver diseases. So, you know, I think this one, we're going to be learning as we go as an industry, and it's going to be fun to watch develop, I would say.

Keay Nakae

Analyst · Keay Nakae from Chardan. Your line is open

I guess, if I can just dig into that a little deeper, you know, patient is exhibiting some symptoms, how does the clinician discriminate, you know what the exact cause is and makes them appropriate for this approach?

Bruce Given

Analyst · Keay Nakae from Chardan. Your line is open

Well, you know, so far it seems to - it seems to the non-functioning allele is associated with a substantially lower risk of developing NASH or a substantially lower risk of developing alcoholic related liver disease, including cirrhosis. So, whatever the underlying causes of those are, it seems to heavily ameliorate those patients as far as we understand today.So it doesn't seem, at this point, like you would - you would go in thinking that you needed to eliminate certain aetiologies. As you know, the understanding of what causes NASH is not all that great anyway. So I would say that right now you wouldn't be all that selective other than determining that the patient already didn't have the variant. It wasn't already essentially equivalent to being knocked down.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking my questions. Apologies if I missed this earlier, but I was wondering for the HBV triple data, do you think there's a pretty good chance that the data could be at AASLD this year or is that more likely a 2020 update? Then I'm wondering if you can provide any perspective on what would be evidence for synergy or lack thereof with the triple combo?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

So there will be zero chance that the triple combo data, I think, could be presented at AASLD.

Bruce Given

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

I don't think that's right, Chris. I mean, there'll be a late breaker abstract submitted, whether it gets accepted or not. We won't know until there. So it's not zero, but - whether they'll accept it or not, who knows.

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Okay, and then any thoughts on just synergy and what we should be looking for there with the triple?

Bruce Given

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Well, it’s kind of like the answer earlier it's really -- and the reason it may get accepted as a late breaker even though it's only 12 subjects it’s because it's really the first important triple therapy trial that's been done in HBV in the current era.So the answer is and people are really be fascinating to see, although it's short-term therapy you know. I mean, it's only 12 weeks and what's going to be a probably a year therapy is what people sort of targeting in HBV. But it will be the first inkling.And the other thing is it will be the first shot that anyone's ever seen at knowing whether there are any safety concerns. You have to think about at least concerns that are mechanistically based and would show up even with 12 subjects. So I think it's important work but whether or not AHA will accept it that's a question can’t answer.

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

And so for the 12 subjects, you think you have 12 weeks a data for all 12 of those patients?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

By the time we get?

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

By the time of the [indiscernible] filing?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Yes, but not thorough the abstract itself that’s part of what I expects a little bit uncertain not -- not everybody has is that far along at this point. But remember, they get dosed with the RNAi each in a day one, day 29 and day 57 and all 12 have received all three doses up to date. They also get full 12 weeks of the chem. and not everybody has received all 12 weeks of the chem yet. And that having longer-term follow time.

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Make sense. And then for ARO-AAT, just wondering if there's any update on the activity scale design if you can provide any perspective on the conversation with regulators on that and is it possible that we could see data from the open label study by mid-2020?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Let me take the second one first. Possible, so EASL is in April, so I think there's just probably not enough calendar to get anything into EASL. So the more likely case I would say would be that you know, there would be a shot that you would have data at AASLD or at least an abstract submitted. You could never -- we can never guarantee they'll accept it. But in abstracts bid it for AASLD I think would be more likely timing-wise. And them I’m sorry the first question was?

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Just on any update on the conversation with regulators on the activity scale design?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

Right. So first of all, the activity of scale design is a protocol-driven thing where there are multiple steps that are driven by a protocol to refine those and to actually believe it or not statistically driven to really find what the components are that everybody agrees would be the right sort of components in the right weighting of those components.So I say everybody, I mean all of the pathologists experts that are involved with establishing the scale. So it's very much the same way they establish the NASH scale for instance and it's a formal process protocol-driven. So certainly when we’re done with that process, the regulators are going to be very interested to see the outcome, and that's not something we’re going to keep hidden from them.Once we have a full report and they can look -- they can dive into all the statistics and everything else, now they're anxious to do that because you know this is something brand new that no one else in the world has ever done before. At least start that we know off.

Maury Raycroft

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

And last question is just on ANG3APOC3and I know you mentioned earlier that you’re not going to provide any data updates on what you’re seeing but I don’t know if you can provide any qualitative perspective I mean in -- I think you guys have mentioned that you are seeing good responses to go with an even lower dose for APOC3and so maybe if you can just provide some additional perspective on that?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Maury Raycroft from Jefferies. Your line is open

So Bruce we’ll have some topline data in the Dubai conference in September and the course of full data sets hopefully at American Hearts Association, so just wait on that. Hopefully, you will have that answer pretty soon.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open.

Mayank Mamtani

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

Thanks for taking my question congrats on the progress and looking forward to the IND day after 2018 does well. I have three questions mostly follow-up. For refund for help B, could you see on - three dose levels for 3989 and really why I ask that is there anything we could learn from the 12 week readout, the patient readout that could also inform some of the doses that you are testing in the Phase 2, 450 study?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

I don’t think so. I mean, I actually think that the dose ranging data really relates to the RNAi component. And I think that they were able to make that choice based on from ARO-1001 study. I don’t think there’s really anything in those 12 patients that would inform on that.I think most important part of the 12 patients, there’s an opportunity to really learn about –to see finding the three together in preparation what is going to have quite a few patients in the combination cohort.So I think it was more important than necessarily to try to look for. And it's not dose response. 12 patients all are getting same dose of 3989, whatever the number of the chem is maybe I can remember.So no it doesn't really -- I don't think it will alterREEF-1,it only would've altered REEF-1if we ran into some sort of safety issue or something. And absent that, I don't think there are any chances that is going to alter REEF-1per se.

Mayank Mamtani

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

And do you confirm it’s also day 1, day 29 and day 57 dosing for this REEF-1?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

No. REEF-1 doses all the way through 48 weeks. So REEF-1 is the first -- it’s the first real modern combination study in HBV shouldn’t have intent trying to create a functional cure. Remember, the 1001 study didn't have curative intent. It was just to get safety and activity and dose ranging. It was really a first human study.We got a lot of information out of it but it was never curative intent study. But REEF-1 really trying to see whether 48weeks combination therapy can give us a bunch of curatives, that’s the purpose -- what dose is.

Mayank Mamtani

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

Thanks for clarifying that. And then on the AAT, ARO-AAT, is there any difference in guidance from U.S. or FDA an EMA, just trying to understand, is there any particular reason why 2002 is focused on the EU side, so does that mostly because of the homogeneous population in the Scandinavian countries?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

I don’t think that was the influence. I just think we thought that we had some investor gain over in Europe. We really finding to this trial and its only 12 patients and so we thought we could do without interfering at all with 2001 with SEQUOIA.And it was really important to get SEQUOIA fully enrolled, obviously as quickly as we can. So we just estimated that Europe was maybe a bit better place to do that trial than the U.S. and that’s why we did it there.

Mayank Mamtani

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

And then the last question I have to ask on ANG3 and APOC3.I understand you read for the data disclosure at the Dubai conference, but just as you think about the orphan and think about the higher prevalent indications, is the -- could you pursue a different dose level for orphan include and maybe a different dose level and importantly frequency of administration for the highly prevalent population?

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Mayank Mamtani from B. Riley. Your line is open

So those are two different questions. I think it would be unlikely that the dose would be different just because we’re active through the RNAi mechanism and it doesn’t tend to vary all that much from again [indiscernible] event sub-group to sub-basis.Now the frequency of dose is a little bit different question, because with treating these orphan patients who really have very high circulating levels of these sort of lipids. You probably want to maintain your full activity all the time. Whereas in a let’s say secondary prevention setting for instance, you might be able to have less frequent dosing even if you had a little bit of recovery at the end of the dosing interval.So I think it would be unlikely that the dose would necessarily be different but I think I could imagine that it would be possible that the dosing interval might be stretched a little bit in some of the other indications. But that speculation at this point I would be very clear that’s purely speculation at this point and we’re ways from been able make that call.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open.

Elemer Piros

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

This is a financial question. We understand that $25 million of the revenue recognized in this quarter comes from Janssen, how would you -- how was the other half, the amount was made off of and if you were to project out for the next year how much of the revenue that you would receive would be recognition or previously received the upfront payment for example and what would be the rough division between revenue from Amgen and from Amgen for R&D reimbursement?

Ken Myszkowski

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

So first of all the $25 million that we received from Janssen wasn't entirely recognized during the quarter. The way that works is we estimate what the total revenue is from the origination of the contract and that gets put into a pool and that is -- that large amount which is about $227 million is the pool of revenue that's recognized over the course of delivering our work on that project, which is going to last through 2020.So we take that amount and we estimate what our progress is over each quarter. And so today we have recognized about $125 million of that. When the second $25 million is recognized or when it's achieved, we then take that into the pool and apply whatever percentage we are up to that, so it sort of caught up to where we are on the rest of the revenue amounts.So like I said earlier, we expect to have the majority of this recognized by the end of next quarter but still good portion of its…

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

Next quarter next year.

Ken Myszkowski

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

By the end of next quarter, so by the end of 930 the majority of the total revenue will be recognized but it still won't go on for another four quarters or so to the end of fiscal 2020.That makes sense?

Elemer Piros

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

Yes. And roughly how much would that be for the next fiscal year?

Ken Myszkowski

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

Well, we’ve recognized 125, so we've got based upon where we are now, about $100 million to go we'll add to that $25 million when we achieve the next -- the next milestone. So about $125 million.

Elemer Piros

Analyst · Elemer Piros from Cantor. Your line is open

$125 million. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

I am showing no further questions at this time. Now I’d like to turn the conference back to you Mr. Chris Anzalone.

Christopher Anzalone

Analyst · Ted Tenthoff from Piper Jaffray. Your line is open

Thanks everyone for joining us today and we will hope to see you in October.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.