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Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, May 4, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Arrow Electronics First Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. My name is, Tony, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Steve O'Brien, Director of Investor Relations. Please proceed.

Steven J. O'Brien - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Tony. Good day, everyone. With us on the call today, from Arrow Electronics are Mike Long, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Chris Stansbury, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Andy King, President, Global Components; and Sean Kerins, President, Global Enterprise Computing Solutions. As a reminder, you can access our earnings release at investor.arrow.com, along with our CFO commentary, the non-GAAP earnings reconciliation, and a webcast of this call. We will begin with a few minutes of prepared remarks, which will then be followed by a question-and-answer period. I'll now hand the call to our Chairman, President, and CEO, Mike Long.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Steve. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to join us today. I'm pleased to report first quarter sales of $5.8 billion, gross profit of $760 million, and earnings per share of $1.46. Last quarter, I mentioned I've never seen greater opportunities for our business. I believe, the first quarter accomplishments and results have provided more evidence for that statement. Customers and suppliers are migrating to our platform. They see the value of our fully-integrated online and offline component distribution, and our design and supply chain services. They see the value in our flexible on-premise and off-premise software-led solutions. We're helping customers run mission-critical application securely with a very attractive return on their investment. They see the value of our full service sensor-to-sunset sustainable technology solutions to help them repurpose, recondition or responsively dispose of their electronic products. Customers and suppliers see how being part of the Arrow platform can drive growth for their business, and they want to be a part of this. In turn, this is driving growth for Arrow's business, and that's why at Arrow we say, growth is a mindset, not a goal. I'd like to share with you the story of one of our new customers. I believe, this illustrates how our fully-integrated platform can deliver more value for our customers and for our suppliers than any other company can. It also illustrates our unmatched reach and breadth of solutions. We have a new customer base in China with an innovative idea for an IoT product in the category of home automation. We identified the customer, vetted and secured the new customer's bill of materials through our digital platform. Our Arrow Asia Components team assisted with the sensor-to-sunset design work. The customer is entering full-scale production with the hardware design in place…

Christopher D. Stansbury - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Mike. First quarter sales of $5.76 billion were at the high-end of our prior guidance range. Sales increased 6% adjusted for acquisitions and changes in foreign currencies, and 5% year-over-year as reported. The stronger dollar relative to the euro and British pound reduced our sales growth by approximately $73 million or 1% compared to the first quarter of 2016. First quarter Global Components sales of $4.06 billion grew 12% year-over-year, adjusted for acquisitions and changes in foreign currencies and 10% year-over-year as reported. Sales were above the high-end of our expectation for the second quarter in a row. Asia again produced exceptional growth in the first quarter, growing 17% year-over-year. In the Americas, sales grew 9% year-over-year, driven by our digital platform and our sustainable technology solutions. In Europe, sales grew 10% year-over-year adjusted for changes in foreign currencies. Europe sales have grown year-over-year for 16 straight quarters adjusted for acquisitions and changes in foreign currencies. Global Components first quarter book-to-bill was 1.14, which is well-above 1.07 in the first quarter of last year. First quarter Global Components operating income grew 2% year-over-year adjusted for acquisitions and changes in foreign currencies. Operating margin declined 40 basis points year-over-year due to mix of business in all regions, and headwinds for regional mix. First quarter Enterprise Computing Solutions sales were $1.7 billion, in line with our prior expectation. ECS' first quarter operating income and operating income margins reached record levels. First quarter ECS operating income grew 5% year-over-year adjusted for acquisitions and changes in foreign currencies, and increased 4% as reported. Returning to consolidated results for the quarter, total company operating expenses were relatively flat, increasing 1% year-over-year. Operating expenses decreased 40 basis points as a percentage of sales on a year-over-year basis. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was…

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Chris. Tony, could you please open up the call to questions at this time.

Operator

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Mr. Adam Tindle of Raymond James. Please proceed. Adam Tindle - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay. Thank you, and good afternoon. Just wanted to ask on the Components revenue guide. I understand that you had a strong Q1, so the comp maybe a little bit more difficult, but would have thought some of the wins continuing to ramp in Q2 would have led to an above-seasonal June Components revenue guide. So the question is, were the suppler wins already reflected in Q1 or might we see a very different Q3 than what historical seasonality would suggest as these come through?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Right now, for the first quarter, you didn't see anything come over in Q1 from any changes that the supplier marketplace is making. And right now the forecast that we have for Q2 is based completely on the best information we have right now. And as business starts to come over, some will come in, in Q3 and some will come in Q4. So I'm not expecting any major changes this next quarter from the transference of any business. Adam Tindle - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Okay. And maybe just one for – I'm not sure if Sean is there, but I know, you made a comment on the Computing business in the last call that, you thought ECS revenue could grow in 2017. I know you focus on operating profit dollars, but wanted to get a sense if you thought 2017 would be a year of revenue growth for ECS or are you still incurring things like mix shift that may contribute to a revenue decline for the year? Thanks.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Go ahead, Sean.

Sean J. Kerins - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Analyst

No, you bet, Adam. How you doing? Good question. We are optimistic about the full year as we – as Mike noted in his opening remarks, we saw the rate of hardware decline meaningfully in Q1 versus Q4, so we think that's a good trend. In fact, in storage, we saw a modest growth in Europe in the first quarter. So, along with our software-based solutions growth, which we expect to continue this year, and continued progress with what I call next-gen hardware, not to mention some of the share shifts that we continue to identify and enjoy due to some of the competitive realignment in the marketplace, I feel good about the full year, and I think we'll see more of that ramp across the second half. Adam Tindle - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Is there share shift beyond the $350 million you've already talked about?

Sean J. Kerins - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Analyst

Any time you see competitive realignment, you're going to create some uncertainty in the channel. And so, I think, you have a lot of resellers and solution providers who are looking for a safe pair of hands in the value channel. We clearly are staying in the value space, and so we're getting a lot of good looks and a lot of good calls, and I would say the run rate of net new customers and line card extensions with existing customers continues to improve. Adam Tindle - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Great. Thanks and congrats.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Mr. Steven Fox of Cross Research. Please proceed.

Steven Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. First question in terms of the inventory position that you talked about, it's been quite a while since we've had to worry about investments in inventory. Can you give us a sense for how you think this plays out during the course of the year? In other words, are you positioning inventory now so that we won't see as big of a jump in the middle of the year or should we think in terms of consistent builds on the balance sheet as the year goes on, and I have a follow-up.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. The inventory that's been coming in is for two reasons right now. Some is for anticipated sales that will be coming, and some is for current sales that we expect to increase given some of the lead time changes in the market. But remember what we've said is that our first goal for our cash is to invest in the business to grow the business as fast as we can. The second place we apply our cash is in M&A. And then the third place we invest our cash is in buybacks and return to shareholders. Right now, our backlog is up over 20%, as I indicated in my opening remarks. So, we do see some significant changes and significant swings coming our way that's going to require more inventory and we've started that build process now. But that will start to abate and not be that dramatic over the balance of the year.

Steven Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then, in terms of the component mix pressures that occurred in Q1 on the margins, a little bit surprised by that. I don't know if I should be or not, but can you talk about maybe how the mix changes over the course of the rest of the year, and what it means for the margin swings quarter-over-quarter if you could? Thanks.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Okay. There's obviously a lot of changes to put in here, but I'll make it as simplistic as I can for what we see. In the first quarter as you know, I think, our Asia business was up something like 17%. So, if you take the margin swing that came with that, that came at about normal Asia rates that we have always seen, and that we have always operated our business under. The balance of the growth obviously came from Europe and North America. We didn't see a dramatic change in the normal margins based off of that. We also had a little bit of mix shift in the quarter of the type of business that came in, which was a little more supply chain business. We had a meaningful increase in number of customers. So the point there is the design win activity mix that we have enjoyed for the last year is less than it was prior to that. It's actually good news on two sides, because now we have more customers to go do more designs with, and raise that margin that came over. We also expect that to be continuing on, as some of the supplier shifts come over – the supply chain business comes first, followed by the design activity which usually takes, as you well know, and we've been very honestly communicating six to nine months past that point for us to have that activity. The good news is, we told you, we've built the company for that, we told you the vast majority of our engineering investments were made, and we're really in great shape going into the rest of the year. Hopefully, that gives you an idea of how we're looking at it.

Steven Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst

Yeah, that's very helpful. So I've just one clarification on that, would it be then safe to assume that, your overall design activity, say by the third and fourth quarter is higher than the first quarter or maybe this is more elongated than that?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

The design activity is going to be going through the rough over the next few quarters. The actual, you know designs of production, as you know, given the long-time that will start happening in the beginning of next year for us.

Steven Fox - Cross Research LLC

Analyst

Great. Got it. Thank you very much.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Mr. Shawn Harrison of Longbow Research. Please proceed.

Frankie Carson - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Hi. This is Frankie filling in for Shawn. Just a follow-up on that last question. Given the mix shift that you discuss, do you still expect to kind of hit that 5% Component margin goal that, that you've kind of been targeting?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

We expect over time that we will still be in that range, given the supply chain business that will be coming in first. I don't think we'll quite be there for the balance of this year.

Frankie Carson - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Okay.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

But given the design activity, I think, we'll start to see that leverage come back to us in 2018, sometime. And by the way, I'm not – we could get there tomorrow. Our businesses – if you take our businesses in totality, there's still investments in digital we're making, there's still investments in reverse logistics that we're making. And we're not going to back-off of those investments just because we see an upside in activity that we didn't see before. We absolutely are looking at that business as it's good, and it's also going to get us several thousand more customers in which to do more design work with. So we're pretty excited about the long-term prospects, we just have to manage this now short-term, and as I said, we're in for a record year this year.

Frankie Carson - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Got you. Thanks. That was really helpful. And then changing gears, this one other question I had was, obviously supply and pricing pressures aren't new to you, but when your competitors outline a little bit steeper pricing pressures than typical, and a negative impact from TI shifting to fulfillment, so I'm just curious of how much of this dynamic you kind of have factored into your outlook, and then, if we potentially see this accelerate in the out-quarters of this year, weighing that – the supplier wins you've been getting?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

We have a 100% of what we know into our outlook.

Frankie Carson - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line or Mr. William Stein of SunTrust. Please proceed.

William Stein - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Great. Thank you for taking my question and congratulations on the strong results and outlook in particular on the Components side, and that's where I'd like to focus my time too. First, regarding TI removing compensation for design activity, is that entirely out of the model at this point or should we think about that having a continuing pressure for...

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

That's out of the model. That's completely gone out of the model. There as three years notice on that. I'm surprised anybody is talking about it anymore. I said that last year, I'm not trying to be flippant about it, but that train left the station a couple of years ago.

William Stein - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful, Mike. And then may be one more if I can. You've had some very impressive supplier wins, those are obviously more visible to us on the customer side, in particular with ADI and Cypress. The question relates to both on the supplier side and the customer side, do you think that any of the wins or any of the share gains either from the supplier or customer side are – it could be related to Avnet's ERP issues, and therefore perhaps not as permanent as you'd hope.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

No. I haven't heard of any customers coming our way because of that. I think that's a very minimal, if anything – reason that we have customers coming in. And most of what I have seen has been good, long-term contracts good, long-term supply chain activity totally based upon our complete solution cell, our opportunity to go seamlessly from digital to the sales force, back to digital and into the cloud. We've built a very robust platform, that's been our strategy, we're sticking with our strategy. Little hiccups by a boutique competitor are not things that, I think are going to drive our growth in the future here.

William Stein - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, again.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line Adrienne Colby of Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.

Adrienne Colby - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could talk about how much of your lead generation at this point is coming from your digital media portfolio, and what effect that change in sourcing the leads is having on your head count needs?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Actually, I'm going to let, Andy answer this. I'm going to start with saying, digital today is our largest lead generation that we've ever had in the corporation. And we expect that to continue the early adoption of inventors and builders and sort of dreamers and plus our core customer base. That is an early end for us, and that's a real trigger. Andy, you want to add some light to that?

Andy King - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. And absolutely, I think, we've sort of reported last year that our customer count was up 25,000 year-on-year and those sort of growth trajectories continue. And the good news is that, that's feeding into the core business as we planned. The core customer count through our offline channel continues to build most, if not all of those customers started life as a digital transaction of some degree or another. And the beauty of it comes in from either a component side or from a cloud side or from the entire enterprise position there. So it's meaningfully driving our customer count, customer penetration and our top line sales. Hope that answers the question.

Adrienne Colby - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

It does. And as a quick follow-up, CapEx came in a bit higher than how we were modeling it. How should we be thinking about that for the balance of the year?

Christopher D. Stansbury - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

I think our CapEx for the year is going to be similar to what you've seen in recent years, we're obviously getting to the later stages of our full ERP deployment, which is a big driver of that, but for the year, I don't expect you'll see any major differences versus where we were in the last few years.

Adrienne Colby - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. You next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin of Stifel. Please proceed. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Yes, thanks. So if I can just go back to the – sort of your – to vendor issues that we've been talking about, obviously big opportunities, and your competitors are talking about losing up to $1 billion in revenue opportunity. Is that the opportunity that we see for Arrow, that kind of number?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

I would tell you, Matt. Our full anticipation is, we would grow the number that you've heard on the Street. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And you talk about some margin headwind as you ramp those vendors, obviously, because of the demand creation having a lag effect, but would you also expect to make investments on the OpEx side, particularly in FAEs, technical sales and other support, or do you have the resources in-house that you're shifting from guys like TI and others onto those lines?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

As you know, Matt, we went on a concerted effort a few years ago to really build our engineering capabilities, both digitally, service center-wise, so we are open 24/7, 24 hours a day, seven days a week in every country for designers and our FAE population. That has generated great activity for us, we expect that activity to continue; and what we won't do is get behind. I sort of look at that as our R&D, and our future health on the margin, it does two things. It does well for the suppliers that choose to take advantage of that, and it helps our margin. So we won't fall behind there. We will keep invested where we need to keep, but right now, we believe we're invested fully of where we need to be, and it's a very experienced team, and I expect that they're going to help us throughout the year here. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And just a couple of quick ones if I may. We haven't heard the word ERP mentioned much, which is probably a good thing, because I know you just went through integration, final integration in North America last quarter in the Component business. Just kind of update us where we stand there, and are you basically done now?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

We still have some more to do, Matt. We've been taking this off in sort of bite-sized chunks as you know, over the last couple of years. And the good news is, you haven't heard about it. We believe our approach and the way that we're approaching this is, so you won't have to hear about it. I've had some interesting conversations with customers that have asked us to delay things, because of what they had happen to them in the marketplace. And I had to let them know that they were already converted, and that there was really nothing else to worry about. So, I think right now, our approach is one that we're happy with. I got a great IT team, a great IT leader, they're doing the job, and our job is to make sure you don't hear about it, and that's what we're trying to do. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay, great. And just lastly, just regarding the Component lead times on stretching and the backlog building, obviously when we get into this part of the cycle, there's concern about potential excess or double ordering, and you don't really know until sort of after the fact. But what sense do you have that there's some underlying demand supporting this as opposed to supply/demand or supply issues, which is leading to the inventory building>

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Well, the good news is we have had a strong book-to-bill that I think we reported to you guys for several quarters now. And what we've been able to do is, we have gotten better with our design activity. We've been able to kind of match where this is coming from. I wouldn't say we have it totally protected, that I could totally call it for you. But I'm pretty confident that at any one time, we would – if we were ever over-inventoried, it's usually less than a three-month issue to get it solved now. But I think there's some real underlying demand that is happening, the demand looks a little different than it looked in the past. We see customers that are looking for more solutions come to us. So I would say, there's actually little bit of a shift, not only in some de-TAM wins that we're getting, but some TAM wins also, of the total available market starting to come our way just because of some of the value-added services. I would expect things to be strong through the balance of the year. We're obviously cautious and conservative about how we operate our business, we'll stay that way, it's treated us fine so far, and we'll be very aggressive when it comes to our strategy, and what we think we need to do to be successful. So hopefully that gives you the balance that you're looking for of how we try to run the place. Matthew Sheerin - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: It does. All right. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Param Singh of Merrill Lynch. Please proceed.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hi, thank you for taking my question. I just want to spend some more time on the Components side. Now, your book-to-bill is 1.14. I would expect that – your guide to be a little better, and kind of at the low-end of seasonality at midpoint, right, and you haven't seen this kind of delta relative to previous years, usually it's a few points in organic growth behind the book-to-bill number. Now, is this because you're seeing more orders into, say the September quarter, like you mentioned last quarter or is there anything else like the wins that's creating that delta if you could expand upon that?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Well, if you think, sort of a average lead time of being 12 weeks, right, that's a full quarter. So while your book to bills are coming in, if it's not an existing customer, we have to start building the supply chain, we have to start building the inventories for when those orders kick-off. And as a result of that, you'll see the inventory build a quarter – it will start building a quarter, maybe a little more before it really starts going, when you're bringing on the customer number, and the magnitude of customers that we're bringing on. And remember, our job – I mean, even more than sort of producing an inventory number for you guys, our job is to service the customer base, that's how we make sure they remain long-term customers here. And that's exactly what we're doing, and that's exactly where we're putting our money, we're being thoughtful, this is nothing new. Unfortunately, we haven't seen these kind of growth rates in this industry for some 7, 8 years. So the good news is, we're back to growth, sort of the bad news is, everybody forgot it's not business as usual, but we're back to investing in our business, which I actually think is great for the long-term.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Okay. So then, should we expect a greater delta between your book-to-bill number, and actual revenue guide given the extended lead times.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

That will start to abate as we get into the summer more.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Understood. Could you remind me, how the ramp for the new customer wins through the year, and how much of it's in the September quarter, how much in the December quarter?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Boy, I'd tell you, you know what, I would be a genius if I could give you that right now based off of how things are moving in the industry. I just, I can't give you that far out of detail other than it's more.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

And I was just talking about on the wins that you've already disclosed?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think, you'll see. Well, you should see see (35:31) if you talk about the disclosed wins, you'll see full run rate in the fourth quarter.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Got it.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

That's how we get there between the second quarter and the fourth quarter is confusing us a little bit.

Paramveer Singh - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Understood. Okay, and on the gross margin side, your competitors talking about demand creation, margins being lower from a lot of suppliers, have you seen any of that, and was that part of the impact on this quarter's Component operating margin in addition to the Asia mix?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

We've seen nothing. We've not seen any of that. And as I said – I don't know what they're seeing, I don't run their business. I run ours, and I'm seeing more opportunity.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Mr. Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed. Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Yes, good afternoon. Thanks very much for taking the questions, congratulations on the good report. First question's on the Components book-to-bill of 1.14, I know it's a lot versus what prior quarters and prior years. I think, about $4.6 billion of Components bookings if I do the math, and so, if I try and split that out between the wins that you're picking up from your competitor versus just an increase in the market. If I think about $250 million a quarter or $1 billion of annualized revenues, it seems like it's about half – something like half the bookings strength from wins and half from just the core market picking up. Is that a fair way to think about it or is – would you guys assess it differently?

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

I don't know, Andy, you want to take a stab at that?

Andy King - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah. I don't think, it's kind of exactly that mathematically pure to be honest with you. We're certainly seeing some minor impact on our bookings right now from some of those wins. But as Mike said, that will really plays out more aggressively through the second half of the year. For the most part, the health in the bookings and the strength in the business has come from execution to the strategy that we've had deployed for some considerable period of time, and customers and suppliers wanting to work with us on programs to help grow their businesses, and that's what's really driving the bookings growth. Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. Just to make sure I understand. So you wouldn't report some of the potential revenue wins from your competitor in the book-to-bill until you get closer to shipping that?

Andy King - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Analyst

Until we book it, it won't be in the book to bill. So, there is a little bit of it in there right now, but it is not the major driver of the bookings trends we're seeing.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

I mean, our competitor knows exactly when their last ship date is, so you could assume our bookings dates would start right then. Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs & Co.: That's helpful. Understood. And then for a final question...

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs & Co.: ...I know, you guys talked about SG&A leverage, and Mike you talked about it, you haven't made a lot of the investments. Is it a clarification, Chris, I think you said SG&A is similar in June versus last year, did you mean similar as a percentage of revenue of last year or similar in dollars?

Christopher D. Stansbury - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah, dollars, Mark. So we're basically – if you think about it, the investments that we're making in digital and IoT and some of the other things that, Mike, talked about, we're able to do that while driving other internal efficiencies in back-office, and we'll hold the dollars flat. Mark Delaney - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your question. Your final question comes from the line of Mr. Jim Suva of Citi. Please proceed.

Jim Suva - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you very much. And you've answered many of the questions in great detail, which is fantastic. On the Components, the operating margin has now been down year-over-year, I think it is for about two years for this first quarter, and it sounds like the investments you're making plus the business mix explains that. Could you maybe just take a step back and help us understand strategically, do you care manage that percent much, are you more focused on the dollar amount? And what I mean by that is, should we think about, hey, the percent is just a function of the investments, so focus on the dollar amount or do you think that the margins in the Components can kind of go back to historically where they have been, because the investment seems like they should be higher margin or maybe it's just the cost pulling it down right now before it ramps? Thank you.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I think you're dealing with that. As I said, we're dealing with several investments, Jim. As we outlined over the last several years, and even if you just take even more broader than Components, right, we built a complete integrated digital business, we've built and grown our reverse logistics business, which is the business that repurposes old electronics, we are continuing and have built out in the cloud, which is still doing great for us from a growth perspective, as well as trying to build really a world-class design center, with digital design, service center design as I said before, open 24/7, plus an increase in FAEs. We've been able to do all that, given what our percent of sale, if you will expectation was for cost. And it was really last quarter that we first started to talk about dollars, because most of the investments we have in there have been there. So I would expect overall, if you're asking the question that the cost per sale is going to go down.

Jim Suva - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you so much for the clarification and all the details. It's greatly appreciated.

Michael J. Long - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Got it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your questions. We will now proceed with any and/or closing remarks.

Steven J. O'Brien - Arrow Electronics, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Tony. In closing, I will review Arrow's Safe Harbor statement. Some of the comments made on today's call may include forward-looking statements, including statements addressing future financial results. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or facts to differ materially from such statements for a variety of reasons. And the company undertakes no obligation to update publicly or revise any of the forward-looking statements. Detailed information about these risks is included in Arrow's SEC filings. If you have any questions about the information presented today, please feel free to contact me. Thank you for your interest in Arrow Electronics, and have a nice day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's presentation. You may now disconnect and everyone have a great day.