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Operator
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Today is Thursday, October 1, 2015, and welcome to the Art’s Way Manufacturing Quarterly Investor Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Your call leaders for today’s call are Carrie Majeski, President and Chief Executive Officer; J. Ward McConnell, Jr., Vice Chairman of the Board of Directors of Art’s Way Manufacturing; Marc McConnell, Chairman of the Board of Directors of Art’s Way Manufacturing; and Dan Palmer, President of Art’s Way Scientific. I will now turn the call over to Ms. Majeski. You may begin.
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Carrie Majeski
Analyst
I am going to start with the forward-looking statements. You should note that some of the statements made during this call may be considered forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, statements relating to our market position, strategies for growth, and future results of operation. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties such as competitive factors, difficulties and delays in development, manufacturing, marketing and sales of Art’s Way products, general economic conditions, and other risk factors and uncertainties described in Art’s Way’s periodic reports filed with the SEC. Actual results may differ materially from anticipated results and Art’s Way does not undertake to update these forward-looking statements. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Marc.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Yes, I’d like to thank you all for calling in and for your continued interest in the company. Obviously, we had a very, very difficult quarter from an operational standpoint and it was also made worse by a goodwill impairment and we’ll be glad to talk about all of that. We’re focusing very much on what is within our control in our cost and we’ll be talking about that quite a bit later in the call, and what we’re doing about the situation. So at this time, I’ll give Carrie the opportunity to tell you the numbers.
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Carrie Majeski
Analyst
Thanks, Marc. I’m going to start with Art’s Way Manufacturing number for just the Ag segment. Sales for the third quarter of 2015 were $4,447,000 compared to $8,555,000 in 2014. This was a decrease of $4,108,000. Our income before tax for the third quarter was a loss of $390,000 compared to income in the third quarter of 2014 of $1,112,000. This was a decrease of $1,502,000. Our portable feed equipment sales were down $1,459,000 for the quarter, but year-on-year, we’re still seeing an increase of about $600,000. Our bee harvester sales for the quarter were down approximately $1 million, and the majority of that is due to the fact that we had sold three self-propelled units last year, and this year we had only sold two and those units are high-dollar units ranging in the $700,000 area, so that’s where the primary decrease in bee harvester came from. Other sales were down $1,583,000 for the quarter and down $2,217,000 year-to-date. Our year-to-date sales for 2015 were $15,263,000 compared to $17,699,000. This is a decrease of $2,436,000 or 13%. Our year-to-date income before tax for 2015 is $911,000 compared to $1,041,000 last year. This is a decrease of $130,000 or 12.5%. Our backlog at Art’s Way Manufacturing currently sits at $937,000 compared to $2,884,000 last year. This is a difference of $1,896,000 or 67%. I’m going to move to Universal Harvester numbers now. Their sales for the third quarter of 2015 were $413,000, down from last year at $614,000. This is a decrease of $200,000 or 32%. Our income before tax at Universal Harvester for the third quarter was $581,000 compared to – that’s a loss of $581,000 compared to a loss of $77,000 last year. Our year-to-date sales at Universal Harvester are $898,000 compared to $2,774,000. This is a decrease…
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Okay, thank you. As Carrie was just alluding to, we know that there are significant headwinds in our industry, with the ag industry as well as oil and gas and we’re seeing that affects our earnings with our Ohio Metals segment. Interestingly, with the ag product mix that we have, we have quite a few products that are tied to dairy and livestock and those had really allowed us to do fairly well even after most of the ag industry have started to really be impacted significantly. I guess, if you go back maybe a year and a half, two years ago, on that and they really started to feel it than we did. And so, as we’ve discussed before in April, orders got pretty slow and really price of milk in particular is one thing that was helping us for a period of time and when that went down as well as the other commodities, that’s when it really got quieter order wise for us. So the whole, both oil and gas and especially ag are really in a tough period. And it’s normal part of the cycle. This has happened since the beginning of time, it seems like in the ag industry. And so we are preparing in such a way that we will be able to sustain a long prolonged period of slow sales. Could it come back sooner than we think, but we have to focus on what is within our control and that is cost and adjusting in such a way that we will really be able to weather the storm however, no matter how long it takes. So as Carrie mentioned a lot of the cost that we’re addressing and we’re continuing to address more, but so far we’re looking at around $1.2 million…
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Roger Miller.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Let’s start with an overall explanation, a little bit more grassroots on goodwill impairment, bringing that down to zero. So, I presume you’re going to sell the building in Aims [ph]. Is that correct at Universal Harvester?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
We don’t have a deal imminent, but yeah, that’s the intent.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And what is that building projected to sell for?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
It would probably be around $1.4 million.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Let me ask you this, is that building too far away to use it for warehousing farm equipment if you need to build up your inventory in order to help take care of these dealers that are in inventory?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
We already have really adequate space to do that particularly in our West Union facility where we do some of that now. There’s also a second building in Armstrong where we do some of that now. So we’re not building a huge inventory; we’re building what we think is an appropriate inventory. But for that purpose, we wouldn’t see Aims as needed in that regard.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And of course, the best time in the year probably be putting that up for sale would be the spring, correct?
MM
Marc McConnell
Analyst
May be soon.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Normally any building sold in the wintertime seems to not get their full value of the building, at least that’s my experience.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
We’ll say it’s been for sale for six months. So it’s been for sale for a period of time at a higher price. And so we’ve now lowered the price and we have some confidence that it’s more likely to get action.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
I’m looking at the whole picture, and obviously it’s not good and the reflection of the share price tells the story. That’s not uncommon right now in the stock market. So as a shareholder and someone who holds a large position, what do you plan on doing about reducing cost of management, specifically are you going to continue to issue shares even though they’ve been boarded on, I know they are available. Is that one area that you might consider? I mean, rewarding management and seeing this picture is not exactly what I think shareholders want to see.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, I don’t have a real answer for you. I mean, the board would consider that. We don’t have any imminent plans as far as issuing shares or anything like that. I guess, I don’t know exactly – are you assuming that we were going to do that or --?
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Roger Miller
Analyst
No, I guess that’s one way of paying debt is to issue shares, but you couldn’t do that in this market You’ve got shares voted on that are continually issued on a regular basis to management, and if you’re not going to cut salaries and I presume you’re not cutting salaries of the any of your top management, so that is specifically – if you’re losing money you got to do something, and I haven’t heard the plan other than selling Aims building and the bright spot, and I know where the bright spots are, the question is it’s going to take two quarters for vessels I presume to get profitable, is that correct?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, it’s hard to say exactly, I mean I would think that it would look pretty good particularly with delivery in the first quarter next year. But a lot of the fourth quarter activity will go to inventory because that will not get shipped. So it’s a little hard to follow on that.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And shareholders have waited a considerable amount of time for vessels to turn itself around, and you’ve been very patient with it, and that’s where I am going with this.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I don’t know that patient – well, I guess if 30,000 [indiscernible] looks patient. Internally, I don’t think anyone would say we are highly patient. What we’ve made and not obtained and we think improvement, and we will see – we see improvements with the business and we will then have short order period or something like that, and it looks like we are just sliding backwards. So I mean I’ve got perhaps more frustration than anybody, well, as does Carrie and Ward. We all have just unending frustration with vessels, but we always also seem to be improving in certain ways. So I mean it’s not getting there anywhere near as fast as it should have, and hindsight being 2020 in looking at the number of years that we’ve supported it, you probably could have decided something different a long time ago, but we don’t have that benefit of retrospect. So, it’s in a better place than it was, I mean the numbers for the quarter don’t demonstrate that. But I think we are going in a better place with it.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
So the backlog demonstrates the position that it is going forward, and that’s the first time I’ve seen any brightness come from vessels as far as sales go, and going forward the revenue will at least get to a breakeven, if not profitable. So, in case we will all end at one point, I believe you manufactured through Universal Harvester, is that right?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Universal provided reels to another company who build whole g that then supplied Case New Holland. So a lot of it went to Case New Holland, but it wasn’t necessarily our direct customer, although some of the parts and that kind of thing would have been direct, but short answer is we are part of the chain, but they weren’t necessarily our customers.
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J. Ward McConnell
Analyst
They were, Marc, it was [Bosch].
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Yeah, he is talking about UHC though.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Well, the reason why I brought that up was you are having obviously – it’s extremely a struggle in your move into a different plan. I’m just wondering if they are having the same problems too and the picture that they plan themselves to manufacture is working for them.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
For Case New Holland, I don’t know, I know they are having a hard time and the dealers all have too much inventory of combines and some others I believe too. And those are the product lines that we are involved with. And I understand that some of the manufacturers like Case New Holland had too much inventory on their properties. So there is a long chain of inventory there.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Correct. I guess the question is, is there any possibility they may want to shut their – turn 100% around and shut their plant down and have you manufacture again, have you thought about going back to or going direct since you are going through a third party?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, you mean to build like the whole swatter or something like that?
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Well, to build whatever you can for?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I think what we’ve been saying is that manufacturers like that have been trying to bring in more work to provide work for their employees more so than the other way around. That’s what we’ve seen in particular, ag cos or other large OEMs with UHC in that was what they were attempting to do.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
So I was getting to the point that may be you can build at a less expense of rate that than they can, even if it is ag co?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, I would think so and we were building for them. But at this point, we think they want to do that on their own. But regardless whether they are doing on their own or not, there is no demand.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Well, then I guess we need to move on to Art’s Way Scientific and that’d be Dan Palmer and maybe Dan can explain what’s going on since we haven’t heard on the conference call anything about that.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Dan, I believe is actually not on, is that correct, Carrie?
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Carrie Majeski
Analyst
That’s correct.
MM
Marc McConnell
Analyst
Right. Dan is not on.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
I thought at the beginning of the conference call I heard his name, but would you like to explain what’s going on?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, I’d say they have a good steady business that they have right now that they are building, primarily to be delivered in the fourth quarter. His leads that is actively working on in getting closer on in a number of cases are really strong. I mean, better than it’s been in a good while. We have the case of a customer who was trying building of ours and then perhaps over the next few years wanting to buy many as in 30 or 40 or 50 and that kind of thing and they have their first building, they are very pleased with it and we are talking about the next one that kind of thing. But we don’t have that in the backlog yet.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Is that a third party sale?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Well, it’s a direct customer of ours. It’s not a dealer or anything like that.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
So do you have the figures on Art’s Way Scientific, can you tell us how many leads they have at this point?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Carrie, do you have?
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Carrie Majeski
Analyst
I don’t have the numbers on the final report. But I do keep more of an active log on the jobs that Dan thinks he is going to be able to do something with and kind of report on that on a weekly basis up to Marc and Ward. And I can tell you that there is far more leads on there that Dan is chasing that he thinks he has got an opportunity for. We’ve got jobs out for a bid and those bid dates are coming due towards the end of October and into November where we are going to know if we hit some of those jobs or not.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And if you do hit those jobs, you are going to announce them [indiscernible]?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I think we would where we can as far as the customers go. It’s a case-by-case basis whether or not they wanted to be known. Some of them are involved with animal science and you know the whole concern there. So I would like to when we can – it’s just in some cases the customer is not okay with that and so in that case we don’t do it.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Well, if you can announce the customer, maybe you could announce the size of the contracts if they amount to any sizable...
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Carrie Majeski
Analyst
If it was a significant order, we would do that and release new backlog numbers probably.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Yes, we’d be fine doing that. I’d also add to what Carrie was saying that recall a couple of years ago, the really big job we had at Stanford that was kind of a big feather in our cap and we’ve been wanting to replicate work like that in the best we can. We do have some interested clients right now for example that are going there and looking at that facility and people are getting closer in their decision process. [Indiscernible] and that’s a good sign for us. Unfortunately, all these just really take longer than we like them to. But I would say there is a lot to be hopeful about here and we have a lot of credibility in the industry, particularly after that Stanford job.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Ward believed in diversification and you’ve been well diversified, at this point as it occurred to you that you might want to sell off any of these divisions, is there any demand?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I’m open-minded to such things depending on which firms they are, I guess. But I wouldn’t want to do it when they are at a loss position for one thing. I don’t think any of the one that would be interested in selling are at a right point to sell, really. So I don’t see that as being something that would be helpful or impactful to us anytime soon.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And I presume you don’t want to sell Art’s Way Scientific?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Right, I don’t. We see a kind of upside there and we’ve seen when that business is good, how good it can be and that this really inspiring and of course in the years between it can be slow, but other than it, it has, in my mind, just untold potential. We don’t know how big it could become. In the concept we bring to market, it’s not mature market yet for what we’re trying to provide. So I just think that there is a ton of upside and a lot of legs to that business and we’ve got a good company, we’ve got a good reputation, we’ve got good people, very good people, we got a lot of credibility. And so that business has and continue to have a lot of opportunity to really pop and we’ve talked about that a long time, but at some point maybe we will reach a tipping point to allow that to happen more consistently too.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Have you thought about bringing in more sales people Art’s Way scientific to help Dan or you’re not in a position to do that right now?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
We talked about that and we do – we are willing to invest in more support for him. But we haven’t successfully pulled the trigger on somebody for that. So I will say and we didn’t cover it earlier, we also have remained interested in strategic acquisitions that would go with Scientific and worked very actively on one that did not happen. But we are interested in building that business and looking at opportunities to do it, whether it’s acquisition or product development or wherever the opportunity may be. So even though we are in a tough quarter and it’s a drain on our financial position obviously, we are not allowing ourselves to get to a point of vulnerability where we can still take advantage of our opportunities for Scientific and other businesses. So we are still pursuing a lot of things.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Any other acquisitions in any other areas that you would look at?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I guess I’d look at a number of things. I would say on the – Ag of course is very cyclical, we are very much in it and we are diverse within ag, but we don’t have – other than UHC, we don’t have a whole lot that gets the full benefit of the good times in real crop commodities. Not quite so much. We might be interested in something that fits in that way, if it were to come along, and I think there probably are some opportunities and will be some opportunities in that regard with the market being where it is and people that don’t want to write it out for another whatever period of time it is. I would want to remain in a stronger position to still be able to look at those things. And so that’s what we’re willing to do and we’re focused on staying in that position. But I wouldn’t say that I’m actively seeking an Ag product line or company to absorb right now.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Let me go out [indiscernible] on Ohio Metals, they are involved somewhat in the oil industry, correct?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Very much.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
The oil industry is on its knees, however, oil was stabilized and they predicted it would go down further. It seems to be trying to get legs with the foreign exposure at this moment, specifically with Russia and the US and Syria, there is possibilities oil could rise and throughout the Middle East we know there is problems. Have you looked at all at the oil industry for something sideways to Ohio Metals?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I guess we’ve looked a little bit and we haven’t found – I mean that’s the news popped up, that looks like a good fit. We entertain the idea of some other tool cutting types of things that weren’t necessarily oil and gas directed, but I don’t have a lot on that, but we think somewhat open to it.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
I would assume that that industry, we know sales are down, we know there is a weakness there, we also know there is possibilities of a turnaround that you might want to look there for some smaller companies that might be available or someone that might want to divest itself off a division. I’m looking over this whole situation and I guess I’m going to ask – the last question I’m going to ask I really don’t want to ask, but I’m going to ask, is there any possibility of a growing concern being issued in the near future?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Do you mean from an accounting standpoint?
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Yes, because you stated that you had the credit available and you do have positive going forward in vessels and it looks like Art’s Way Scientific we know it’s been going along, but are any of these other divisions going to hurt you significantly that you can’t withstand it?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I don’t think so. I mean, I think we have to stay ahead of it and adjust our business and reduce the cost the best we can to be able to absorb all of that. So I don’t intend to let us get to a point of vulnerability where growing concern is a real threat there.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
I know you have the qualifications to run this company, because you’ve been head of the machinery association, I believe you’ve been President of a bank, you still are, is that correct?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Chairman.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
Chairman? Well, you’re well qualified and there is no doubt about it. Ward, would you like to say anything about the whole picture right now?
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J. Ward McConnell
Analyst
I’d say one thing that may be helpful. By far, the changes that they have made, Marc and Carrie have made is not fully been felt yet. They had to run down some of it. And it was pay-offs of vacations and so on, it was a lot of things. And I think this quarter they will be rundown. So I think that’s going to help a lot. Otherwise, I think the story to tell was about [size]. We hadn’t mentioned that.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
And can we anticipate one more quarter of losses and then – is that correct or am I jumping the ship here?
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
I’d say it’s hard to say if it’s going to be plus or minus right now, I expect it to be just heck of a lot better than the third quarter, even just looking at operational earnings, not just the goodwill involved. I expect that to be a lot better. I don’t expect it to be nearly as good as the fourth quarter of last year and I think it’s going to – it’s hard to say. It’s hard to say. It’s possible that it may still be negative as a lot of the things the cuts that we are making and are still making as it to take effect. I don’t think it gets really clean probably until the beginning first quarter, probably. Ward mentioned severances and that kind of thing, that may be still happening in this quarter and I will say also that we continue to look for these opportunities and sit down and meet and find the opportunities. So this will be a continual effort to reduce cost. But as for the decisions that we’ve already made to address cost, I think that will get clean towards the end of this quarter and into the first.
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Roger Miller
Analyst
I’m going to leave room for someone else to hopefully ask questions and I continue to be a supporting shareholder. I have plans on going forward to accumulate more shares and I believe in the management and let’s see what we can do going forward. And please if you have any large contracts, especially from Scientific, give us the dollar amount going forward and I hope the board realizes how important that is.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Okay, yes. I agree.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] At this time, we have no further questions.
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Marc McConnell
Analyst
Thank you all for your continued interest in the company. Obviously, it’s a very disappointing quarter, it’s a tough one to talk about, but we are very focused on reducing cost in such a way that we can manage our way through no matter how long this takes. So we are very proactive in that regard and plan on being here a long time and continue to support our business in such a way that we can take advantage of the upside opportunities for all of our segments. So overall financially, we are strong and I think we are, biasly think we are well managed and we will be able to handle with. So your continued support would be appreciated and it’s all I have for today. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for attending.