Joe Craft
Analyst · B. Riley
Let me add to that, Lucas. I mean, again, I think your question was centered around us being a coal company. And I think the message we started with last quarter and we're trying to continue to talk through that this is an evolving evaluation. Every fossil fuel company that's a publicly traded company that I pay attention to have transition teams trying to think through what is the definition of this transition and how can we participate in the transition from this energy business model to the next one. So we're in the energy business. Our name is Alliance Resource Partners, not Alliance Coal particularly. And it was set up that way in the middle '90s because we wanted to be an investor in energy, because we believe people love to have their lights on. And we saw that in Texas in states two weeks of disruption of electric generation created shortage worldwide of plastics. It's still a contributing factor, the shortage in chips that everybody is talking about. So people need to understand the scale of the US energy generation in this country and what it means to the world economy. And we've got relationships. We've been in this business from day one, going way back to the '60s, predated me. We've been in this business and we're in the energy business. And we've got relationships with our customers, our utility customers that if they want to transition to something else, there's no reason why we can't help be a supplier to them in whatever choice they make. There's going to be a lot of capital. You're reading about it with the Biden infrastructure plan, $2 trillion. They're talking hundreds of billions of dollars that they want to channel back into the electric grid and the transportation sector. In specifics, there's $18 billion plus $4 billion that Senator Manchin has earmarked. So there's $22 billion of federal money that's going to come to areas affected by their policies, i.e., coal communities, specifically. And who's going to invest $18 billion of federal money or take advantage of tax credits if it's not people that are already there. So I'm hopeful in conversations with the banks that they will start looking at how am I going to participate in this transition. Am I going to lend money to the solar industry, the wind industry, the transmission industry, the EV industry? Are they going to lend money to new technologies? And if they are, can we participate in that? And can they look at that in a different vein than just looking at it as just the solid cash flow that we're going to have from coal for the next 15 years. It's just unfortunate that we get labeled because we're in the coal company that people can't look beyond just that definition and can't look at the strength of our cash flow as a low cost producer to an essential fuel that's going to be needed over the next three decades. So we're targeting areas, in areas where we live, where we have skilled people, where we have relationships with the state governments, with the federal governments, with utilities to say we can be your partner. And these skills are very transferable to what we do. And that's our target, we can't do it overnight, but we recognize that we've been discriminated against in lending practices. And unfortunately, that's one reason why we're only using 30% of our cash flow to pay to our unitholders. We should be able to do more than that, but we are having to use our free cash flow that we're generating without borrowing to see how we're going to define what areas that we start investing in to show that we have the capability to build businesses like we've done in the past, and we've got a track record of doing, that we can build businesses that are ready to be financed for that future growth, whatever that transition in that time period is. Fortunately, I believe we've got two decades to do that. It may be 15 years, I don't know, but we're very focused on it. And [fortunately], we've got enough cash flow that we can engage in businesses. And we're one of the few in these areas of coal communities that have the financial resources that can benefit from all these tax credits and all this federal money that they want to throw out to encourage this transition from fossil fuels. So that's our strategy and hopefully, that helps you understand the context of how we're looking at the balance sheet. And it's something that's got some uncertainty to it and that's why we're being conservative. But I'm very confident that we're in a great, great place to be able to take advantage of these opportunities, probably more so than a lot of people.