Michael Weinstein
Analyst · Lipton Financial Services. Please proceed with your questions
So Roger a few things. Regarding dividends, I think, it's inappropriate to be handing out dividends and certainly I benefit from that as well as everybody else. But handing out dividends at a time when there's still a great amount of uncertainty with COVID and at a time when we're taking the loans from the SBA and converting them into grants. I just -- there's something that doesn't smell right to me about that. In terms of a private transaction or buying back stock, obviously, we're aware that the stock probably does not reflect current operating results. There are two factors that weigh heavily on -- that would weigh heavily if we were even discussing this which we're not. Number one is our leases in Las Vegas. They have 17 months to run. We're beginning to -- as you know MGM which owns New York-New York has gone through a significant restructuring of management. The people that we had a constant partnership with because in New York-New York, we're essentially a food and beverage department, have all with the exception of one key person, they've all left, they've got -- they've taken buyouts. And so we have a meeting in September -- beginning of September with them to start to discuss what the relationship will be going forward. And the fact that they are having a meeting with us means there's some interest at the end of 17 months in having us continue. But we don't know what that's going to be structurally. So, there's a risk in that some of that cash flow, or all of it for that matter, could conceivably go away. So, I think buying back our own stock or having anybody be aggressive at this moment would be foolish. Number one. Number two there's the Meadowlands which unlike the potential negative of New York-New York's negotiation which we -- by the way, we're optimistic about, but you have to consider that it might be a minus as opposed to a positive. But the Meadowlands to us is a huge positive. First of all, we're probably the largest sports betting facility on the East Coast. As you know from prior conversations, we cannot take in income unless it's distributed because of our minority interest in that. That minority interest of around 8%, our partners are Hard Rock and Jeff Gural who's a real estate player in New York, we're the third on the totem pole in terms of ownership. But the geometry of that investment that we made five years ago could be really significant to our current shareholders, some of whom I know have their eye on that and are comfortable owning our stock despite the fact that it doesn't reflect the current operations in the cash flow. So, sports betting has been significant, significant cash contributor to Meadowlands. We're paying down debt. And for the first time I think this year, Meadowlands will make its first distribution. That will not be an insignificant number to Ark that we'll be allowed to report. But more importantly, as New York State starts to play out with the downstate casino licenses, which there's been a moratorium on because the guys they've built upstate had to deal with [Indiscernible] essentially that nothing will happen downstate until 2023, which will give the upstate guys time to recapture some of their capital investments. But you have MGM on New Yorkers, you have betting owning -- and the cash goals. And you also have a Venetian, a block of property in Queens. And there's a lot of lobbying pressure going on to try to get those downstate casinos issued prior to 2023. But even if we wait until 2023, once those downstate licenses are issued we don't see any way in, which New Jersey doesn't react and make Meadowlands a casino. And if it were to become a casino, I would tell you that our projections from just casino operations would dwarf our current EBITDA. Our percentage would dwarf our current EBITDA. In addition to, which we have an exclusive on all food and beverage, if it becomes a casino with the exception of the carve-out for our Hard Rock Cafe. So to me, I think our current shareholders should have the advantage of that. And if we were to do a private transaction, I think it would be very hard for us to come up with a number that would be fair to our current shareholders or anybody who buys the stock here given that the Meadowlands could be just two or three years away. I think we would become -- a company or myself or whoever joined in the private transaction, we would be under a great amount of scrutiny, what we knew at the time we did that transaction. And if the Meadowlands becomes a casino, I think it would be a very unfair transaction for us to initiate given that we here really believe that's going to happen. Whether that happens or not -- we may be wrong about our belief but if it were to happen any transaction we do would be very unfair to long-term shareholders or short-term shareholders, who bought the stock with that in mind. So there's no private transaction that's going to happen here.