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Operator
Operator
Greetings, and welcome to the Ark Restaurants Second Quarter 2014 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Bob Stewart, Chief Financial Officer of Ark Restaurants. Thank you. Sir, you may begin.
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Robert Stewart
Analyst · DGHM
Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us on our conference call for the second fiscal quarter of March 29, 2014. With me on the call today is Michael Weinstein, our Chairman and CEO; and Vincent Pascal, our Chief Operating Officer.
For those of you who have not yet obtained a copy of our press release, it was issued over the Newswire Friday, and is available on our website. To review the full text of that press release, along with the associated financial tables, please go to our homepage at www.arkrestaurants.com.
Before we begin, however, I'd like to read the Safe Harbor statement. I need to remind everyone that part of our discussion this afternoon will include forward-looking statements, and that these statements are not guarantees of future performance, and, therefore, undue reliance should not be placed on them. We refer everyone to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a more detailed discussion of the risks that may have a direct bearing on our operating results, performance and financial condition.
I will now turn the call over to Michael.
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
Hi, everybody. This is a decent quarter and the benefit that enured to a higher EBITDA was the acquisition of the Rustic Inn in Florida, which did very well in its first 6 weeks of our ownership, and the improved performance of Clyde's in New York City. The rest of the business, we're in 7 venues: Las Vegas was down slightly in comp sales; New York, in general, is very, very strong, in addition to Clyde's doing well, all our restaurants in New York are doing extremely well; Washington D.C. was a down a bit; Atlantic City up a little bit; Boston down 1 point; and Florida was down, away from the Rustic Inn, our 2 operations, the Hard Rock casinos in Tampa and Hollywood, were down and that reflects a change in the marketing program that the Hard Rocks have imposed. Hard Rock used to do a lot of comping as part of their marketing program, giving out discount certificates or free meal certificates, for which we got reimbursed, and they have recently ended that. So there is a significant amount of money, several million dollars in comps that have been eliminated, which we benefited from. Now we're not going to lose $2 million in sales from that. First of all, we only got 80% of the sales to start out with. But second of all, not everybody is going to stay away from the fast food courts because they don't have a free comp or a discount meal ticket. We are extremely happy with the way all our businesses are being run. Las Vegas still remains a challenge with a lot of competition, expanded a number of restaurant seats every single quarter, and we just don't feel the city has come back enough to absorb all of that,…
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Bruce Geller with DGHM.
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
It seemed like the first quarter of last -- I'm sorry, the second quarter of last year was kind of soft in its own right. The comps were down about 4%. So you had a relatively easy comparable. I'm just wondering what held you back from seeing even better progress relative to what, seemingly, was a pretty easy comp year-over-year?
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
Well, the March quarter is generally a very difficult quarter for us. The weather is a big factor. This year, the weather was atrocious in March. And part of the reason we're down in Washington, D.C. is we just had horrendous weather. It's been cold, raining. It was a very, very difficult period. What helped us in New York, and the reason our businesses were so strong in New York, is we've made some adjustments in Clyde's, so we picked up volume there. But we happened to have 2 very, very hot restaurants in New York, in Bryant Park Grill and Robert at the Museum of Art and Design, and both of those were booked for a lot of events, many more events this year than last year. Meaning, closures, where the restaurant wasn't open to the public. And on those closures, we get a premium. And 1 of those closures was an NFL Super Bowl event that Pepsi ran for about 3 days at Bryant Park. So our -- you're right, we had an easy quarter to compare with. March quarters are always easy to compare with. But other than the event business in New York, we had really, really rough weather on the East Coast, and that affected Boston and Washington tremendously. Washington, it was down 9 points in the March quarter in comp sales. So I don't know if that helps you at all.
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
Yes. Looking back, when I look back to this quarter of last year, you also attributed the negative 4% comp to weather. So even though the weather was tough this year...
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right, but this was a winter that was I think, on record, as brutal as anything we've seen.
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
So I guess, along those lines, April, May so far, what's kind of your outlook for the rest -- as the rest of the year progresses?
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
Well, we are going to do better than last year in EBITDA. I mean, we are up significantly already. And Rustic, while it's a seasonal business, it's profitable throughout every quarter. There is certainly a dip when you get into the June and September quarters, as the weather gets better here, fewer people I guess are there. But we'll see accretion from Rustic. We have not been lucky again this year in terms of weather. We have 13 weekends in New York before people start to go away for weekends to wherever they go, the Jersey Shore, or Long Island. Thursdays is our big day at Bryant Park. I just want to give you a sense of this. So there are 13 Thursdays that we consider critical. On a good Thursday, which we had a couple of weeks ago, we did $130,000 at 1 restaurant, at Bryant Park. Last week, it rained, we did $50,000. So the differential is not only at Bryant Park, it's at El Rio Grande. It doesn't affect us so much at Robert, but it certainly affects us in Sequoia in D.C., where we have 600 outdoor seats. So those swings could be -- on a bad Thursday, it's an excess of $100,000 in revenue, but that revenue is basically bar revenue and highly profitable to us. So if we have a normal season, I think we'll be up a couple of million dollars in EBITDA from last year. If we have a good season, we'll be up a little bit more. If we have a horrible season, we'll still be up, but not quite as much. Everything else is -- I hate to trivialize the other operations. Las Vegas, you'll be up 1 point, you'll be down 1 point. Boston, you're up 1 point. And…
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
Sure. When does the Bryant Park lease go through?
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
13 more years.
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
And can you give an update on Clyde's? I know that's been a struggle and you were getting closer to breakeven...
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
We made a little bit of money on an operating basis in the March quarter, a little bit. It looks like the June quarter will be alright. That restaurant suffers dramatically in July and August. At least in the first 2 years, we've had a really tough time. We think we're gaining traction very slowly. We are having decent weeks. We are starting to see more event business. The area is improving dramatically. The only good thing we've done there so far, I mean, the food -- the place gets very high ratings on OpenTable, Yelp, all of the review sites. It gets enormously good reviews. It's in an area of town that's difficult to gain traction, but that area is being built up quickly and we are seeing better progress. And we're sort of on a cycle. The first year -- we are a block away from the Javits Center. The first year, we never saw any business from the Javits Center. They didn't know we were there. This year, we're starting to see -- when there are events at the Javits Center, we're doing better lunches, we are doing after-work business. We're getting there. There's no question we're going to get there, it's just a slow, slow pull. But to come out of the March quarter with a profit and I think the June quarter with a small operating profit, pre-depreciation, we are sort of happy about that right now, given where we were.
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Bruce Geller
Analyst · DGHM
Okay. And what is the noncontrolling interest attributable to -- on the P&L? Because that went up -- a fair amount year-over-year.
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
Yes. I'll let Bob Stewart address that part.
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Robert Stewart
Analyst · DGHM
Yes, and a large part of that is the Florida operations, where we have partners in that venue, are the 2, Tampa and Hollywood. So that's pretty, that's primarily the noncontrolling interest. We also have a partnership with our El Rio operation, which we've had for 25 years. So those are the main impacts and that's what you'll see in noncontrolling interest.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Tom Winner, a private investor.
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Tom Winner
Analyst · Tom Winner, a private investor
You've gone over most of my questions already. I was hoping for an update. In the past, you had talked about future involvement with South Street Seaport, I know that you've closed 2 properties there whilst being developed. I think you had mentioned that there may be future interest there. Is that still on the table?
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · Tom Winner, a private investor
No. We walked away from that. They came up here on several occasions, and quite honest -- look, we may be getting long in the tooth, and I hope we're not disadvantaging our shareholders by our attitude. But we thought they were disingenuous, and what we were offered, we were not comfortable with what their plans were -- had evolved to for the South Street Seaport. And we didn't think the company of retailers that they were bringing to the site would be advantageous to what we do. We want to be in a certain -- in a development that has, especially at the South Street Seaport, that has retailers that are interesting, that will bring people down to a part of town that most people don't go to unless they have a strong reason, and it was going to be the same bunch of retailers they had there before, THE LIMITED, the Gap and there are 400 of those in New York, Uptown and Midtown, Tribeca, Chelsea, and we didn't think that they were building something that was going to be enough of a draw. So we passed.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Mr. Weinstein, it appears we have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.
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Michael Weinstein
Analyst · DGHM
Closing comments is just thank you for paying attention, and we'll see you next quarter.
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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.