Good morning. Welcome to the Ares Capital Corporation's Fourth Quarter and Year Ended December 31, 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Wednesday, February 07, 2024. I'll now turn the call over to John Stilmar, Partner of Ares Public Markets Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Let me start with some important reminders. Comments made during the course of this conference call and webcast as well as the accompanying documents contain forward-looking statements, and are subject to risks and uncertainties. The company's actual results could differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements for any reason, including those listed in its SEC filings. Ares Capital Corporation assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Please also note that past performance or market information is not a guarantee of future results. During this conference call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. such as core earnings per share or core EPS. The company believes that core EPS provides useful information to investors regarding financial performance because it is one method the company uses to measure its financial condition and results of operation. A reconciliation of GAAP net income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to core EPS can be found on the accompanying slide presentation for this call. In addition, the reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings presentation filed this morning with the SEC on Form 8-K. Certain information discussed in this conference call and the accompanying slide presentation, including information relating to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. And accordingly, the company makes no representations or warranties with respect to this information. The company's fourth quarter December 31, 2023, earnings presentation can be found on the company's website at www.arescapitalcorp.com by clicking on the fourth quarter 2023 earnings presentation link on the homepage of the Investor Resources section. Ares Capital Corporation's earnings release and Form 10-K are also available on this website. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Kipp DeVeer, Ares Capital Corporation's Chief Executive Officer. Kipp?

Thanks, John. Hello, everyone, and thanks for joining our earnings call today. I'm here with our Co-Presidents, Kort Schnabel and Mitch Goldstein; our Chief Operating Officer, Jana Markowicz; our Chief Financial Officer, Penni Roll; our Chief Accounting Officer, Scott Lem; and other members of the management team. For those who may not have seen our announcement, Scott Lem has been appointed as our new Chief Financial Officer effective February 15th. Scott has been a key business leader within our finance and accounting team for more than two decades, and he has been instrumental in helping us drive growth and success at ARCC over our many years together. In hand with this announcement, the company wants to thank Penni Roll for the tremendous contribution she has brought to our company over the past 14 years. As many of you know, she joined us with the acquisition of Allied Capital back in 2010 and has been a great partner to me and everyone on the team. And thankfully, she is staying with Ares in a senior leadership role, and it's noteworthy that Penni will also remain an officer of Ares Capital. Scott and Penni's new appointments underscore the depth and quality of our team, and we look forward to both continuing to serve Ares Capital in their new roles. Now to our strong results. This morning, we reported another quarter of increased core earnings of $0.63 per share, which culminated in a year of record core earnings of $2.37 per share. These results largely reflect the continued strong credit performance of our portfolio and the earnings benefits of higher market interest rates on our net interest income. The strength of our earnings and positive valuation momentum in our portfolio also led to growth in our book value per share, which increased 5%…

Thanks, Kipp. We reported GAAP net income per share of $0.72 for the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $0.89 in the prior quarter and $0.34 in the fourth quarter of 2022. For the year, we reported GAAP net income per share of $2.75 compared to $1.21 for 2022. On a core basis, we matched our record level of core earnings per share of $0.63 for the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to $0.59 in the prior quarter and $0.63 in the fourth quarter of 2022. We continue to see the benefits of higher base rates on our predominantly floating rate portfolio in the fourth quarter of 2023 as our interest and dividend income increased from both the prior quarter and fourth quarter of the prior year. Additionally, we saw the benefits of an improving investing environment resulting in higher capital structuring service fees from our highest origination quarter of the year. Our stockholders’ equity ended the quarter at $11.2 billion or $19.24 per share, which is over a 1% increase per share over the prior quarter and a 5% increase per share over the prior year end. Our annualized return on equity for 2023 using GAAP EPS and core EPS was 14.6% and 12.6% respectively. This strong level of profitability further builds upon our long-term track record of a 12% total return on NAV since inception. Our portfolio at fair value ended the quarter at $22.9 billion, up from $21.9 billion at the end of the third quarter, reflecting a combination of net fundings and net unrealized gains from the portfolio for the quarter. The weighted average yield on our debt and other income-producing securities at amortized cost was 12.5% at December 31, 2023, which increased from 12.4% at September 30, 2023, and 11.6% at December 31, 2022. The…

Thanks, Penni. I’m now going to spend a few minutes providing more details on our investment activity, our portfolio performance, and our positioning for the fourth quarter and the year. I will then conclude with an update on our post quarter end activity backlog and pipeline. Over the course of 2023, our team originated nearly $6 billion of new investment commitments across 200 transactions, including $2.4 billion of commitments to 74 different borrowers in the fourth quarter alone. Further building on our leadership position in the market after ARCC had the highest level of originations of any publicly traded BDC in Q3. Our new commitments in the fourth quarter increased almost 50% quarter-over-quarter. This growth is in sharp contrast to the reported broadly syndicated market volume and the middle market per Refinitiv, both of which decreased quarter-over-quarter. One benefit of the Ares platform that was particularly valuable for us in 2023, and which stems from the scale we have built over the past 20 years, is the benefit of incumbency. Even during the less active market environment we saw in 2023, we continued to find attractive investment opportunities from our existing portfolio companies, which represented approximately two thirds of our commitments during the year. By further investing in our incumbent companies that we have a relationship with and know well, we believe we can reduce underwriting risk and drive better credit performance. Our new investments during the year were in a diverse set of companies across more than 20 distinct industries and included opportunities in both senior and junior capital investments, reflecting the continued benefit of our flexible strategy to invest across the capital structure as Kipp mentioned. The EBITDA of the companies we financed this year ranged from less than $20 million to over $800 million, which further demonstrates…

Thanks a lot, Kort. Building on the strength of our results in 2023, we believe that we are well positioned for the year to come. We anticipate an uptick in deal activity in 2024 as a more stable capital markets backdrop, as combined with growing pressure on private equity GPs and LPs to monetize positions and get returns of capital. In addition, the robust level of private equity dry powder that has largely gone on spend and is aging, should support a more active M&A environment. We believe that ARCC is uniquely positioned to benefit from an increase in transaction activity, which we anticipate would support our ability to earn higher capital structuring fees. For context in 2023, capital structuring fees as a percentage of our stockholders' equity was less than half of our five-year average. As a reminder, at ARCC all capital structuring fee income is fully retained for the benefit of our shareholders and none is paid to Ares Management. We believe the scale of our capital provides ARCC investors with these fee opportunities that some other market participants don't have or don't fully share with shareholders. Our many competitive advantages have resulted in differentiated performance in almost every relevant metric versus the competition. The company has delivered the highest regular dividend per share growth rate, the highest growth in NAV per share and the best stock-based total return in each case when compared to every other externally managed BDC of size that's been publicly traded for the last 10 years. We believe the factors that have driven our outperformance remain firmly in place and as a result, we remain optimistic about the year ahead. Let me just close by saying that we're deeply grateful to our investors for the trust and confidence they've demonstrated in Ares Capital and to our team for their tireless work and dedication in 2023. And to conclude on a more personal note, I just want to once more sincerely thank Penni for friendship and our partnership. We've developed a close relationship over the years, and I know I speak for the team as a whole. We will miss her day-to-day involvement with Ares Capital. And with that operator, please open the line for questions.

Yes, sir. [Operator Instructions] The Investor Relations team will be available to address any further questions at the conclusion of today's call. Our first question comes from John Hecht with Jefferies.

Good morning, guys. Thanks very much for taking my question. Penni, congratulations. We'll miss you and Scott look forward to working with you. First question is, when you think about kind of the mix of the forward curve and the implications for lower rates? And do you think of spreads in the market and just overall competition; where do you guys see kind of new deal yields coming in relative to the runoff at this point?

Yes. Hey John. Good morning, it's Kipp. Thanks for your comments, too. Look, I mean, I think a generalization, right? Spreads have tightened a little bit. I think as folks have a little more confidence in the economy. So a regular way, unitranche these days is probably 550 over the base rate, it's kind of the midpoint. It depends on company size, credit quality and all of that. So relative to on-boarding new investments vis-a-vis the existing yield in the portfolio, it's probably right around the same. So I think we're able to take on new investing that's still pretty accretive to the earnings. In terms of rates and all of that, I think we're in the camp of likely higher base rates for a bit longer. And I think so long as defaults remain reasonably muted, you'll see the spreads kind of sit around these levels for a little while. So I think we're in kind of a static kind of comfortable place where things have plateaued a bit. We're hopeful that activity picks up, which we're seeing, so a pretty good environment for new investing.

Okay. And then second question is, I know your interest covered ratio has actually been pretty steady given the rate environment. And obviously your credit performance has been good. There's been only a couple of reports in the BDC sector thus far, but we have seen some have an increase in the non-performing asset accumulation. Just throwing all that together I'm wondering what your kind of industry outlook is for credit quality understanding that you guys are differentiated in that regard.

Yes. I mean I think big picture, John, it's been our expectation. We've said this in the past that we're likely to see defaults in the industry just increased this year. It does take a little bit of time for that to manifest itself, right? So in the bottom quartile of our portfolio and probably everybody else is, you have some companies that are making interest payments but continue to live off revolver availability, cash, et cetera, but the liquidity is getting tighter and tighter. And so my expectation is that the fall will go up this year, probably more towards the historical norm. We've had a little bit of amendment activity that's elevated; I think others probably have two but nothing that's causing us a whole lot of concern. I think it's just a regular letting out as obviously rates are higher and companies have higher debt service costs and all that. But generally, I think we'll see that as well others.

Our next question comes from Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo Securities.

Hey everyone. Good morning. Would also like to, first and foremost congratulate Penni and Scott. Kipp's sticking with the market there. First question is, how would you describe the risk of a liquid market come back, bringing a major refi wave but without the corresponding pickup in new money volume?

Yes. I mean I think we're actually starting to see that and thanks for your comments, Finian. I think we're starting to see that some of the existing issuers that probably took on some higher cost debt are pursuing re-pricings in the large-cap market that's going to carry over a little bit into our market. So it will bring a little bit of pressure. But frankly, nothing that we can't handle from an earnings perspective and it's just how strategically do we think about staying in some of these credits versus potentially opting to exit. But, yes, that pressure is there real time right now here in February of 2024, and we'll just keep evaluating. And I'm hopeful as CLO spreads tighten and more I think capital comes into that market and there again to our prepared comments is a desire for more new deal activity on the GP side, on the private equity side and on the company side, we're just hopeful that regular way new issuance will come with time and perhaps make that a little bit less of a pressure. But it's there right now for sure. We're experiencing it, but it's nothing that we can't handle so.

Okay, sure. Thanks and as a follow-up on deployment. You've obviously provided a lot on this threat in this call, but bringing it all together fourth quarter commitments were a little lower, roughly in line with last year. We would have thought last year, fourth quarter would have been the very bottom. So if you could unpack like a bit why things were at least somewhat better, the sort of main reasons there, and that's all for me? Thank you.

Do you mean – so yes, so the fourth quarter just to your comment, if you need to follow on, let me know, just make sure I get the gist of it. But yes, I mean, the fourth quarter, I think, was a lot of pent-up demand to get some transaction activity closed by year-end. We did – looking back at last year, start the year very slow and then obviously accelerated into year-end. In terms of deployment, we're expecting a more active 2024. I mean 2021 was a peak year, 2022 was probably more normalized, last year was a little bit slower. And I think this year, again because a lot of GPs feel that their activity levels have been low and a lot of LPs are looking for capital back. And I do think there's plenty of available financing to get deals done, we think 2024 will be a pretty good deployment year and should be busier. I hope that answered the question.

Hey, this is Kort Schnabel. The only other thing to add is the fourth quarter last year in 2022 was not actually a particularly slow quarter. We had some large transactions that came our way, as a result of all the dislocation going on, I mean in the broader capital markets. And so it actually was a fairly healthy quarter back then. So I think the comparison and looking at that as being a slower quarter probably isn't quite right.

Thanks Kort.

Our next question comes from Melissa Wedel with JPMorgan.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Once again to Penni and Scott, congratulations to both of you. Wanted to follow-up on your comments Kipp about higher activity in 2024, should we think about that as being sort of skewed towards the back half of the year? Of course, there's normal seasonality, but more skewed towards the back half of the year with potential rate declines? Or do you just expect higher level kind of throughout the year?

I mean, I would say, it's hard to predict, Melissa. Thanks for your question. I think I'd say two things. If rates do in fact start to decline middle into the back of the year that should obviously compel some increased transaction activity. I think the counterbalance to that, speaking personally is I actually think as the presidential election starts to creep into the equation, things will slow down a bit. But somebody else pointed out, there's some tax changes that are currently in the system that are meant to roll off. One of our friends and competitors have referenced that the roll-off of those tax changes could actually compel people to pursue transactions this year versus next year. But look, I mean, as we sit here today, we're pretty busy. Activity levels are good. They're definitely better than they were at this time last year. Hard to predict how it falls quarter-to-quarter, but I think it should just be a busier year and reasonably balanced about that. I don't think there is going to be a particularly big quarter relative to another. We just see a more regular level of activity reoccurring, and we're happy about that. That's great for the business.

All right. Understood. Just as a follow-up to looking at Slide 18, addressing the backlog and pipeline, noticed that there is a particular waiting towards insurance services in the backlog and pipeline. And I was just hoping you guys could provide a little context about the opportunity that you're seeing in that particular industry? Thanks.

Yes. I mean, whenever we snap a quarter like that, it's hard. I mean, there is no – that's one or two big particular deals, obviously, in that sector. It's an active area of new investing for a lot of private equity firms. We have a significant portfolio in that market or in that industry, rather. So I think it's just reflective probably of one or two big deals that happen to pull into the same quarter, but nothing other than that to take away.

Our next question comes from Ryan Lynch with KBW.

Hi, good morning. I'd like to also congratulate Penni and Scott for the new roles and transitions. My first question has to do with – you mentioned the broadly syndicated loan market and some of the liquid markets, maybe just gaining a little more footing here recently. I know you've talked about in the past building up a lot of relationship with a lot of these borrowers just the reason they're choosing your products and your relationship with the Ares versus those liquid markets. But I'm just curious, do you have any sense of – just maybe a ballpark of what percentage of your portfolio borrowers are of the size where they could access the broadly syndicated loan market or liquid markets, but choose to partner with Ares because if the broadly syndicated loan market comes back very strongly, I would just assume that that could potentially be a potential higher risk of refinancing.

Yes. I mean I was just hit mute and asked Scott, nothing off the top of my head, Ryan. It's a good question. I mean, look, I think when as you know the markets are a little bit more volatile, direct lending will capture a larger share of those big transactions that just feel difficult, again, in a volatile market. I think the syndicated market, if you look just at the segmentation of the portfolio is probably focused on $300 million, $400 million of EBITDA and above, right, and that number has grown over time. And as I made the point in the prepared remarks, we do feel that if you look over a 10-year period, direct lending has continued to kind of show its value proposition to the larger companies. So I'll see if we can dig around in the numbers a little bit and come up with an estimation, but I guess probably 10% or – just guessing, 10% or 20% of our deal flow is probably stuff that came to us as a result of the syndicated markets just sort of not working for a while. But let me go front a few numbers with Scott and the team, and we'll see if we can come up with something a little bit better than that.

Sure and I appreciate that. I understand it may not be at your fingertips. The other question I had was, you just kind of talked about from a high level, probably some credit deterioration across the space, maybe in your portfolio, but maybe just across the space broadly. I think we were all a little bit surprised about how strong the economy was in 2023. Is your prediction or estimation that credit is going to probably deteriorate in 2024? Is that based on more of a slowing of the economy? Is that based on base rates just being elevated at the levels where they are now and that sort of finally having an impact on borrowers? Or is that based on some sort of just maybe credit normalization or a combination of all that? I just love that you could just unpack what gives you kind of the thought behind kind of saying that you expect credit…

Yes, again, it's…

…kind of deteriorate.

It's probably the second one. I mean I share your comment that I actually think that the economy is proving to be more resilient than perhaps higher, a lot of other people expected. We all remarked a little bit that we're – we report this EBITDA growth number on a quarterly basis, and we actually saw the first increase, right, on an LTM metric in a bunch of quarters, right, with EBITDA growth around 9% versus 6% the prior quarter. So the company performance is good. But I think to your question, it's probably number two, which is just – it takes a little bit of time. And when you look at the underperformers, dealing with higher debt service costs because rates, as I said earlier, we think are likely to remain higher for longer. It just continues to deplete cash flow and create issues for companies that probably hope they'd be delevering, but aren't. So you really just look to the watch list and the non-accruals in our company and probably others and say they're hanging on for now, but it's probably just a matter of time before there needs to be a fix there, and that's likely to create some more issues in defaults just as time moves along, right, and as things kind of mature a little bit in response to higher rates for a bit longer. But again, I don't think it's anything that we can't handle, right? I don't think it's particularly severe. We have a very significant, as you guys know, portfolio management and risk management team and infrastructure to handle some of the underperformance. So look, if we go through a more traditional credit cycle where defaults inch up and we have to resolve some more situations and then you start over and you continue to grow from a new base, I actually think that's a pretty constructive backdrop for credit and for this company.

Maybe just one other comment on the liquid syndicated market point because it's certainly getting a lot of attention as we obviously knew the liquid syndicated market was going to come back, and we've been providing alternative solutions against that market for 20 years. And the value proposition of private credit only becomes stronger anytime we go through these periods of dislocation. So we kind of – we actually almost welcome back the syndicated market a little bit because it will increase transaction volume, heal the markets, and as Kipp mentioned in the prepared remarks, boost our structuring fees. So I think it's just a continuation of what we've seen throughout our history but with further proof of our value proposition.

Our next question comes from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

Good morning. I want to pile on and say congratulations to Scott and also say thank you to Penni for all the work she has done over the years helping build our areas but also the space as a whole. On – coming back to kind of a liquidity question because when I look at the numbers, I mean PIK collections with the lowest we've seen in many quarters, interest receivable was a high, you've mentioned that some of the borrowers across the industry are living more on the revolver. I mean – that certainly seems to be an inclination for borrowers to hang on to as much cash as they can for as long as they can. Do you think that could really accelerate if rates remain high for longer? I mean is this the beginning of a problem if rates don't – a big problem, I mean obviously there is deterioration? But how does that tie in with how bad could it be if say rates are still 4.5% by the end of the year?

Yes, thanks Robert. I mean I'll try to maybe reinforce some of the comments that I made but we're not seeing an increase lately last couple of quarters in revolver draws, right. So again it would coach me to say look at the underperformers where we're expecting to have to work things a little bit. But all in all, we think that the interest coverage levels have sort of bottomed 1.6%, 1.7%. We don't think rates are obviously going up from here. And we think most of the companies in the portfolio when you think about non-accruals and percentage of the portfolio marked 1 and 2, which are kind of the underperformers, really have gone up the last couple of quarters and we're well below 10%. So I think we know where the potential credit issues are in the portfolio and 90-plus percent of the portfolio is performing quite well and having no real issue with higher rates for longer, right? The PIK interest is actually lower on a year-over-year basis and again we're into these companies with very, very low loan to values. So it's just thinking again about the ones and twos, the underperformers, and how we achieve resolutions there. But all in all, the portfolio is performing quite well and I think the economy, I think, it was Ryan's question is better than we might have expected at this point after a pretty dramatic tightening cycle. So we're feeling…

Understood. Yes, I mean and to your point I mean the draws on your delayed draw and your revolver commitment actually declined this quarter versus last quarter.

Yes.

So I mean that raises a hypothetical if you will. If a semi-struggling portfolio company would come to you and ask for a liquidity revolver what scale of concessions would you be looking for at this point from the company or sponsor? I mean would it just be a no or would it be something you would consider given the environment with appropriate levels of maybe Godzilla-like concessions?

Yes, I mean it's hard to generalize in that every – every name is obviously different. In most of the situations where companies are perhaps not achieving the performance they were hoping for and have liquidity concerns we're looking to the owners of companies to provide liquidity. And as I mentioned in the past we're happy to be part of the solution where we can take a portion of our cash interest and perhaps convert to PIK for a short period of time but more often than not it really is on the owners of these companies to deliver solutions for us as the lender. So, I hope that answers the question, but this is the same as it's always been.

Our next question comes from Mark Hughes with Truist.

Yes, thank you. Good morning. And congratulations Scott and Penni. It looked like you had the – there is more first lien activity in the fourth quarter and in January so far. Is that just what the better opportunities were or is there some intentionality there?

Yes, I think as the market is recovering to do new transactions Mark it's just – it's keep it simple right so probably the down the middle of the Fairway transaction has been particularly in private equity regardless of size. Let's just structure a single unitranche with partners that we know, I think, capital structures have been less levered and less complicated perhaps than in the past. Purchase prices are coming down which is great and simple unitranche loans have probably just carried the day, over the last couple of quarters.

Understood. Then the exits were pretty low in the fourth quarter, a little more balanced, I guess, in January, but anything there and noteworthy?

No, not really. I mean, I think again, with lower activity on the new deal side, you would expect lower repayments and lower exits. So, my guess is as transaction activity picks up in 2024, you'll see a more normalized rate of exits as well, but nothing particularly remarkable there.

Our next question comes from Erik Zwick with Hovde Group.

Good morning. First, I just want to echo everyone else's congratulations to Penni, Scott. And then in terms of kind of my questions, I wanted to follow-up on a commentary Kipp, I believe you gave to one of the earlier questions about your expectation for the portfolio yield to remain relatively stable. Just looking at the activity through the first month of the year in the press release, it looks like the weighted average yield on debt and income for new fundings was 11.3% and then for exits during that same period, 12.6%, a little bit of compression there. And I know one quarter – or sorry, one month certainly doesn't make a trend, but just curious if you could talk to kind of the if there are any factors in that first month that contributed to that compression there? And kind of what gives you kind of confidence again that the portfolio you can stay relatively stable at this point?

Yes. I mean, look, I think the natural trend is likely to be lower and less defaults pick up substantially, right? So I think the expectation is that base rates are likely to go down this year, so we'll see a little bit of pressure there. And if the economy remains resilient and defaults, even if they creep up modestly, don't spike, which is my expectation. I think you'll see sort of a stable spread environment, with perhaps a little bit of pressure as transaction activity picks up. So I do think, the general trend is likely to see the all-in yield on new investments come down from the prior year or two where they’ve been elevated very attractive. We’ve obviously taken advantage of that. But I’ll just remind everybody, I mean, it doesn’t have a particular impact I think on us having earned $0.60 plus of core earnings against a $0.48 dividend this quarter. We’ve sort of built in as it relates to the dividend, an assumption that over time yields are likely to come down and we’ve got plenty of earnings capacity to continue to support the current dividend, in fact, supports the dividend plus add to NAV over the next couple of quarters.

I appreciate that commentary there. And I think the last part of your answer there is the most important that dividend coverage still remains very strong, even with, if we come down from historically high rates.

Yes.

And just secondly…

We have a lot of room and obviously we’re using the current environment to obviously pay the dividend, but continue to build NAV too, which is a luxury at this point in the cycle.

Very true. And just my second question in terms of the floors, I think the majority of new floating rate commitments and fundings have floors. I’m just curious if you’ve had any, given the fact that we’re kind of in this higher for longer rate environment, have any success having those floors move up relative to, say, maybe a year or so ago?

Yes. We’ve tried. It hasn’t really worked, sort of annoying to be honest. But now the market convention kind of remains that 1% LIBOR floor, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but it is what it is.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Casey Alexander with Compass Point.

Hi, good morning. For another seven minutes I was going to ask if you – it was your expectation that first quarter originations might be seasonally slow, but you already answered that you expected to be somewhat balanced at a higher rate across the year. So let me shift to while we were in this period of slower originations, you were able to just in time fill your capital needs through the ATM program. If you see a higher level of activity being generated across the year this year, would it be shareholders reasonable expectation that you would pepper in some syndicated offerings to go along with the ATM program?

Thanks, Casey. I assume you mean on the equity side.

Yes.

Look, I mean, not necessarily. I mean the ATM programs have been, I think, efficient source for us to continue to kind of grow the equity base and with that grow on the asset side. And the leverage levels at the end of Q4 were probably, in my mind, on the lower side of where we might like them. So we’ve got a lot of debt capacity to continue to support new investing. So I don’t see any particular reason sitting here today to think about an issuance outside of the ATM program. I’m also a little surprised, frankly, that the stock hasn’t performed a little bit better than it has relative to the growth in book value over the course of 2023. So doing an issuance at this price to me isn’t something that’s particularly attractive. So nothing in the hopper there, I think.

All right. Well, certainly agreed on your second point there. My follow-up, I’m going to tip one over here to Penni and thank you for your years of work with Ares. If your thought process is that we’re in the higher for longer camp, I mean, it’s your most recent unsecured offering was $1 billion that you then chose to swap out and float out at a couple of points higher than the stated coupon on that deal or so in that range anyway. If you’re in the higher for longer camp, why swap it out? I mean, the spread is still pretty attractive and rates would have to move pretty materially for it to balance out to the coupon on that over the course of the next five years.

Yes. Thanks for the question. This is something that, this is our second issuances that we’ve swapped recently. We are still in a higher rate environment for fixed rate debt issuances. If you think about our portfolio, we have about 70% of our portfolio being in floating rate. So there is a benefit to kind of match funding the interest rate and looking at that opportunity to have that more aligned with the rate on the portfolio being floating. So over a longer period – this five-year window, if you look at where we swapped it to, which is roughly as 200, that’s well in line or below what we could get new secured financing at today. So we think that it is a good cost of capital. Yes, it does kind of make it a little more expensive on the front end. But if you believe the curve, and you look at that on a relative basis to where we can get secured debt, it’s a good variable rate floating pricing for us and gives us that matching as we go through the five-year window. We look at this on a case-by-case basis. We may not always swap it, but in this case, we felt like, given the benefits of where the swap priced at the time that we did it, it made sense.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Kipp DeVeer for any closing remarks.

Thanks for everybody joining the call. Really happy with the quarter. Again, just to finish off another. Congratulations to Scott on his new appointment. And again, many thanks to Penni for all the contributions for her partnership, her friendship over the years, and we’re thrilled that she’ll still be obviously with us day-to-day at Ares. But thanks for everybody attending, and we’ll catch you next quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our conference call for today. If you missed any part of today’s call, an archive replay of the call will be available approximately one hour after the end of the call through March 6 at 05:00 p.m. Eastern Time to domestic callers by dialing 1 (800) 753-6121, and to international callers by dialing 1 (402) 220-2676. An archive replay will be available on the webcast link located on the homepage of the Investor Resources section of Ares Capital website. Thank you and have a great day.