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Antero Resources Corporation (AR)

Q2 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 1, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Antero Resources Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Mr. Michael Kennedy, Senior Vice President of Finance. Thank you. You may begin.

Michael Kennedy

Analyst

Thank you for joining us for Antero's second quarter 2019 investor conference call. We'll spend a few minutes going through the financial and operational highlights, and then we'll open it up for Q&A. I would also like to direct you to the homepage of our new website at www.anteroresources.com where we have provided a separate earnings call presentation that will be reviewed during today's call. Before we start our comments, I would like to first remind you that during this call Antero management will make forward-looking statements. Such statements are based on our current judgments regarding factors that will impact the future performance of Antero and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond Antero's control. Actual outcomes and results could materially differ from what is expressed, implied or forecast in such statements. Today's call may also contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to our earnings press release for important disclosures regarding such measures, including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures. Joining me on the call today are Paul Rady, Chairman and CEO; and Glen Warren, President and CFO. I will now turn the call over to Paul.

Paul Rady

Analyst

Thanks Mike. Thank you to everyone for listening to the call today. In my comments, I'm going to spend some time talking about our long-term strategy and focus on I recently announced well cost and operating cost savings initiatives. I'll provide detail on savings we've achieved today and highlight the key items that will reduce costs further towards our target. Glen will then highlight our second quarter financial achievements including the premium NGL price realizations following our first full quarter with Mariner East 2 in service. He will conclude by discussing our expanded hedge position through 2022 and our capital spending outlook. I'd like to start by discussing our long-term strategy. We remain focused on maximizing our ability to generate free cash flow on a sustained basis. As we look at our five year development plan today, the best way to deliver maximum free cash flow on a sustainable basis is to grow production in the near term to fill our firm transportation commitments while we have attractive natural gas hedges in place. At current commodity strip prices, we forecast funding this growth primarily through cash flow from operations and the water earn out payment of $125 million expected in Cal '20. This allows us to preserve our strong balance sheet. Once we grow into our firm transport and essentially eliminate net marketing expense in 2022. We're well positioned to be more flexible with our development plans and generate significant free cash flow. To provide some context, if we elect to just maintain yearend 2021 forecast production approximately 4 Bcf equivalent per day, the capital required to do so would be less than $900 million. This would result in our ability to generate free cash flow of over $400 million in Cal '22 even at today's commodity strip prices or…

Glen Warren

Analyst

Thank you, Paul. The second quarter was the first full reporting period with Mariner East 2 pipeline in service giving us access to premium price to global LPG prices our markets. We hold about one third of the current 165,000 barrels a day of capacity on Mariner East 2, making us the largest shipper on this pipeline. During the quarter we realized an unhedged average C3+ NGL price of $28.57 per barrel for the quarter. That's a $1.68 per barrel premium to Mont Belvieu pricing, as shown a slide number seven titled Inflexion Point in NGL Marketing and Pricing. 55% of C3+ volumes were exported and realized a $0.19 per gallon premium to Mont Belvieu pricing. In the table on the right hand side of the slide, we provide guidance on NGL realizations relative to Mont Belvieu pricing for the full year 2019. As you can see on a blended basis, it's essentially flat to Belvieu to a slightly positive premium of $0.04 per gallon. Now let's take a look at the impact of that ME 2 has had on northeast NGL differentials. Since the in service of ME 2 in February of this year, Antero's NGL price differentials improved by over $6 per barrel, flipping from a discount to a premium to Mont Belvieu. This improvement is not only from our sales in the international market, but also from the strengthening of in basin pricing in the northeast. The approximately 165,000 barrels a day flowing on ME 2 evacuates almost 40% of the basin's NGL supply. On slide number eight titled Improvement in Northeast NGL Differentials. You can see the significant improvement in price realizations following the startup of ME 2. ME 2 is that dotted vertical line over to the right. First half 2018 realizations averaged at an…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting our question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Welles Fitzpatrick with SunTrust. Please state your question.

Welles Fitzpatrick

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Paul Rady

Analyst

Good morning.

Welles Fitzpatrick

Analyst

The Utica rig seem to be improving since the last kind of batch you guys disclosed. Is there any chance that the Utica begins to get a little bit larger of a share of CapEx dollars moving forward?

Glen Warren

Analyst

There's certainly a chance. That's something we monitor and we do have a number of Utica locations that are at the very low end of our cost curve. But at the end of the day, you're much better off completing pads in the same general area from an operating and a capital cost standpoint. So right now we're really massed to develop in the very much liquids rich, Marcellus, but we like the Utica as well and we just brought on six dry gas wells, which you probably alluding to in the quarter and those look really strong.

Welles Fitzpatrick

Analyst

To your point on the Marcellus liquids, it looks like the liquid cap was down a little bit quarter-over-quarter, is that location or is that NGL recovery driven?

Michael Kennedy

Analyst

I don't believe it was NGL recovery driven. I think you're just going to see a little variants from quarter to quarter on that as we jump from completions at 1240 Btu to the 1275 Btu and back and forth, so that's just going to vary. Those are pretty chunky, obviously, when you bring it on a 10, 12 well pads, so it can impact the quarterly numbers.

Welles Fitzpatrick

Analyst

Okay, Okay, perfect. And then just one last one for me, the previous multiyear guidance, I think it had something of a 10% to 15% sort of soft guide for growth, but obviously at a much higher commodity price. Should we think – how should we be thinking of that going forward? Obviously, prices are lower, but you're doing a lot to offset that vis-a-vis costs. How should we reframe that moving forward?

Glen Warren

Analyst

Yeah, I think you can see from all the materials in the press release, we're very much focused on that sort of 10% CAGR over the next several years for production growth. So we're not we're not looking at that upside growth case. And in fact, if we see improvement in commodity prices, which we certainly think we will over the coming quarters and years that will just be captured as additional cash flow for deleveraging and other uses not for accelerating the capital plan.

Welles Fitzpatrick

Analyst

Makes sense, thanks so much for your time.

Glen Warren

Analyst

Thank you.

Paul Rady

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jane Trotsenko with Stifel. Please state your question.

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Good morning. I have an easy question to start with. Maybe you can discuss CapEx and production cadence over the remainder of 2019?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

I'm sorry; you're asking how much reduction we see in the year 2019?

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

No, I'm talking about CapEx and production cadence. How should we think about quarter-over-quarter production for 3Q and 4Q and also CapEx spending?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Yeah, well, I mean, you can see we're right at our guidance for the year on production. So I think you'll see that pretty flat through the year and then we expect capital as we as we stated in the in this call, we expect that to run in that $300 million, maybe a little bit over $300 million each quarter, for the next many quarters, really.

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Okay, so would it be fair to say that the CapEx spending over the remainder of the year would be pretty spread out, like equally spread out over the remaining two quarters?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Yeah, exactly, I think that's the message Jane, it's pretty flat.

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Okay. Okay. And then given very strong QQ production, I'm just curious if that was expected, given the well cadence on your side – given very strong QQ production, how should we think about full year production guidance? Are you expecting now to come in on the high end of the full year production guidance, mid range or maybe low end?

Michael Kennedy

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

I think the mid range is a good expectation. The quarterly numbers depends a bit on the cadence. And we've been talking bring pads on earlier than expected. And we've also really liked results. So we've seen the productivity of the well, starting to see in some of that, but no, we're not rising to the high end. I think the mid point's a good place to be.

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Okay, perfect. And my last question is regarding gathering fees in FTE do you see an opportunity to use gathering fees and maybe offload some of the FTE commitments in the near future?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

We always look at that. But so far there is – it's difficult in this environment as prices have contract at the spreads have contracted to so the FTE is less desirable.

Jane Trotsenko

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Okay, thank you so much.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Stifel. Please state your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Holly Stewart with Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Good morning, gentlemen.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Good morning.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Maybe just hitting on all the water savings Paul, I think you gave a percent of LOE that produced water made up, but I missed that, what was that number for that percentage?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

It was 80%, eight zero percent of LOE.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Okay, big number. And then admittedly, my understanding of the entire water value chain could be better. So with that in mind, can you sort of help us, I mean, I remember it wasn't that long ago that we were talking about using more water per foot in our completions. So I guess what has changed? And then maybe give us a sense for the pilots that you've done so far?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Yeah, well, what has changed as we said in the remarks, really the interaction between wells that you go on wider fracks the more or the fracks go further out away from the well bore, depending on how much water you use? And the converse is, with sand, it's better near bore conductivity, as we say, the fractures are well connected. So we saw that we didn't need to go quite as wide and half length between well bores that we could cut back on the water. What we see across the industry and so we are seeing things just the way the industry is. The 100 mesh is a little bit simpler, we use some of the, the coarser meshes in some of our designs, but we can get the jobs off pretty quickly with virtually no screen outs by going with the 100 mesh. And when we do that, it requires less water. So we were able to cut back just a little bit, 10% or 15%, cut on the water, and stick with mostly 100 mesh on the proppant and that's working well.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Do you have an estimate of how much that specifically is helping in terms of low costs?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

We have a component there. Let's see Mike's pulling out his number.

Michael Kennedy

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

$280,000 per well just on the water and then the actual produced water savings because he have lower produced water because you now put less water in his further 108, so it's about $400,000 in total.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Right, so the first 200 – remember, we were explaining that we call the first 90 days of the water coming back, we call that flow back. And so those costs to truck and clean up are part of the well cost, so that's the 280. And then the next amount that Mike talked about is the LOE savings beyond the first 90 days, but it's material for both, it's definitely an important cash factor for us.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Yeah, that's very helpful. Maybe this is one for you, Glen. I know you talked in detail on the release about utilizing the lower cost FTE as opposed to the higher cost project. So can you just give us some, maybe some color around that? I don't know if you want to reference projects, but just kind of help us understand those comments.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Yeah, the other day, I think our molecules are just chasing the best pricing the best net backs and when you have tight differentials in the basin then you're keeping some of the gas closer to home, and that's what we've seen some in the in the second quarter, I think it's as simple as that.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Okay, okay, that's helpful. And then maybe finally for me, just on a high level, just kind of thoughts around the AM ownership here. And I know historically, you sort of use that to raise, raise capital, at least DT or maybe within happiness 2018. But there's a lot going on with the simplification that year, so maybe just high level thoughts around the AM ownership.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

We like the ownership. You can see the $200 million or so of dividend stream and presumably growing over time. So it'd be tough to sell it particularly today at a13% kind of yield. So tough for us to let go, but it's what I'm getting at. So we're not inclined to do anything with it today. And we really enjoy that ownership and see tremendous amount of upside in AM. So I think we'll stand pat for now.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Okay, perfect, thanks guys.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Scotia Howard Weil. Please state your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bryan Singer with Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Brian Singer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Thank you. Good morning.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Good morning.

Brian Singer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Can you talk a bit more of how you see the balance sheet evolving, particularly how you see the options and your own level urgency with regards to debt coming due in2021 and 2022?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Yeah, of course, we've got great rates on those two bonds that you're alluding to. And they come through at the end of each of those years. So we've got almost two and a half years on the 2021 maturity and obviously more like three and a half years on the other one, so no real sense of urgency there. We pick our spots with the bond market. And it's had a tough run in the last month or so and so we'll be optimistic about that. But I think that's not something that keeps us up at night by any means. We've got tremendous amount of liquidity on our credit facility, very strong bank group, more banks wanting to get into our credit facility. So that's all in good shape as far as we're concerned.

Brian Singer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Great, thanks. And then just a couple of follow ups to the point you made earlier, the $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion exploration and development budget, what production growth do you expect that to get you in 2020? And then with regards to the $150 million of litigation proceeds, what are the risks if any to the upside or downside with regards to receiving those proceeds or the timeline to receive them?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Yeah, on the on the production, I mean, we talk about a 10% production CAGR and that's a multiyear look. So I think, you can handicap that, give or take 2% or 3% either side of that. But that's kind of the outlook for the next few years. So I think you'll see a sort of average 10% production growth, and that 1.2 billion to 1.3 billion next year keeps us very much on that track. And then similar levels – and we really don't need much of an increase over time over the next few years to deliver that – over that1.2 billion to 1.3 billion range stays in that in that range. So we feel good about that.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

And then on the litigation.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

On the litigation front, yeah, we wouldn't talk about those publicly if they weren't pretty far down the road. And so there was a jury trial on the biggest piece of that was a utility with WGL. And that ended very much in our favor and they can always – the other side can always appeal, of course, so the time it would be the risk I would say. That could come sooner or could come later. But I think that's a good handicapping in the year 2020.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

The other one's South Jersey.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

The other one is South Jersey, Brian, you can read about that in 10-K that's pretty well described there, but similar kind of circumstance.

Brian Singer

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Thank you very much.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Thank you.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Pleas state your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chandra with the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Subash Chandra

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Yeah, hi, my word vocabulary is also challenged. So just wanted to ask for some clarification, my understanding at least is that there's a few pathways in the in the water business. One is a disposal cleaning it up to clear water and putting it into I guess, nearby water bodies, et cetera. The other is recycling, and there might be other aspects of it. But could you kind of clarify where these savings are occurring first of all? Second of all, what remaining aspects of the water handling are future challenges? And then finally, is the water stuff discussed on the print today? Is it 100% application or are you easing into it in 2020?

Glen Warren

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Good question, Subash.

Michael Kennedy

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Good questions, yeah.

Glen Warren

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

No, I think that's a good tutorial on what's going on. So I mean I'll turn to Paul. But the first way to think about it, I think is really what we're doing is kind of shortening the loop. as we as we move north in the liquids rich area, I mean, some of that is 25, 30 miles away from some of that development from Clearwater. So you might think of it as rather than taking it all back to Clearwater, where the trucking can be $6, $7, $8 a barrel, we're essentially reusing it right there in the area. So that's always referred to it as local reuse. And it goes right back into the next completion. So just shortening the loop and taking the trucking out. And the fees are also presumed to be a bit lower for the cleanup of the water we're doing locally.

Paul Rady

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Yeah, that's right, the fees can be lower because the cleanup we can take advantage of blending as well, by just taking the effluent just as Clearwater does, but not doing as duplicate the flow back and produced water and blending it down and using it in future completions. So as Glen said, big savings on the tracking side, because we're keeping it close to where the development is and then big savings on the clean up and that we can use polishing and blending down to be a little more economic.

Glen Warren

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

And then in terms of what we're talking about, we would be completing wells in the liquids rich fairway with call it 75-25 freshwater, and then the clean that water locally and that will vary over time, it can be at 80-20. It's just going to very. We are not blending in some water, just treat it locally is the whole concept. And we'll be doing some of that this year. And I think yeah, Subash asked about proportionally.

Paul Rady

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Yeah, we're stepping into it. As we speak, we have a number of pads that we are completing here in third and fourth quarters of Cal '19. And those are up in this focus development area to the north. And so we'll be doing those polishing and blending there. And step into it in a more wholesome way through Cal '20.

Subash Chandra

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Okay, so I guess to boil it down the 120 ish well development plan for 2020. Do these water savings apply to all these wells?

Paul Rady

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

If possible, yes. We got16 working to work hard on the logistics, we're fortunate that our acreage position is quite concentrated. So we don't have the issue of pads distant from each other. And so in that way, it's not only efficient for midstream for the hookups. But for water transfer between pads as we flow back one pad, we can use that water right next door to complete the next pad. So nice focus that way and so yes, the goal will be to do it on all 110, 220 wells next year. And apply those savings, not only the well cost savings, but the LOE savings throughout the board.

Subash Chandra

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Okay, I'll let that sink in. I'll probably follow up offline over next couple weeks. Just another follow up on the simultaneous operations, is that on the larger pads, is that pretty common right now? Is that built into the 2020 guidance?

Paul Rady

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

We've done it, we've done it recently, the same maps where we're having either two crews' at once on different ends of the pad and we're completing or we're drilling on one end and completing on the other. But I think we have enough flexibility that we don't have to do that all that often. And there's nothing bunch gap in cycle time. So we're built to do that. But it's probably about 15% of our pads that we do same maps on.

Subash Chandra

Analyst · the Guggenheim Partners. Please state your question.

Okay, thank you. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sean Sneeden with Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Sean Sneeden

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Hi, thanks for taking the questions.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Sure, thanks,

Sean Sneeden

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Glen, maybe for you just on leverage – picked up a little bit in the quarter, when you think about, trying to maintain where it's been typically a pretty conservative balance sheet, it sounds like in the near term, we're kind of comfortable with level of liquidity and funding the outspend that way, but when you think about different levers, you may have to address and keep leverage in check near term I guess. How are you guys thinking about some of the noncore stuff may have for them Utica or have AM units are slowing down?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Yeah, the slow down, that's not really in the cards. I mean, that's what this is all about right, improving capital efficiencies and reducing well costs and enables us to continue on the pace that we've been talking about. So that's really not something that's being kicked around. And in terms of cash flow, free cash flow needs, the outspend it's in the – over the next three, four years, it's in the several hundred million dollars, not a using stage strap and that's probably due to our hedge profile and all that. So it's not a real big number. So the actual data itself, we don't see that increasing much, it's just that EBITDA has come down a bit for everyone over the past few quarters, with the commodity price coming down. So it's really the denominator that's come down a bit. So we're managing the balance sheet just fine. It's not growing tremendously. And we're very comfortable with where we are. And you'll see us continue to hedge opportunistically as well. As far as, I'm sorry, you mentioned, divestitures or whatever. The door is always open for that, we consider that, we look at those from time to time, but I'd say there's not a big initiative to go out and sell a chunk of our position. We like all of our position and it gives us you know, sort of unparalleled inventory in the innovation. But yes, the door is open for those kinds of things. I don't think they're big needle movers, but could happen.

Sean Sneeden

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Understood that that's helpful and then just on ethane, can you remind us what your FTE minimums are there? And is it fair to assume just current prices in strip, you reject above those levels?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Yeah, we're recovering 40,000, 41,000 barrels a day. And much of that is for firm sales. Our FTE, we have 20,000 barrels a day on 8x for ethane transport to Mont Belvieu. We've laid some of that off, so net Antero 10,000 barrels a day, which we're using to facilitate from sales here and there. But we have a number firm sales to two different parties, both internationally and also domestically – internationally, including Sarnia. So we're a little above – our firm sales are a little bit higher than our must recover. But we always have an eye on Btu of the revenue stream coming out of the plants. And we certainly have flexibility to recover more. But right now, as you know, the numbers say reject the ethane, where you can accept, again, to stay within spec and also to fulfill some firm sales on ethane.

Sean Sneeden

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Got it, that makes sense. And can you remind us what the average tenure of the firm sales arrangements is?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

I would say yeah, 10 to 20 years. I would say and we're a base provider for the upcoming shell cracker just west of Pittsburgh, so that'll be even more supply. And that is a 20 year contract there. And some of our –

Michael Kennedy

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

It's 15.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Excuse me, 15, but we have international with contracts with Borealis, with Ineos, with others that are typically 10 year contracts.

Sean Sneeden

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Perfect. Appreciate the color guys. Thanks.

Paul Rady

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities. Please state your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Henschke with McGuire [ph]. Please state your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Your preliminary 2020 comments on free cash flow suggest $275 million outspend excluding onetime items. Can you help provide color on any drivers that may be impacting the outspend other than transport fee assumptions?

Glen Warren

Analyst

Yeah, I think as we outlined early in the call. I don't know if you missed that, but we want to fill our transport and we still have economic drilling to do and so we'll stay in the course rather than simply hit the brakes to generate free cash flow next year. We still have a lot of firm transports to fill next year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, is there any change in the Btu output assumption or any other assumptions year-over-year or any other color I guess that you can provide?

Paul Rady

Analyst

No, can't think of any.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay and then moving on to my last question. I was just wondering if you could provide free cash flow sensitivity to say $1 change in C3+ NGL pricing, given your mention of $29 assumption a bit helps your pricing for next year?

Michael Kennedy

Analyst

Yeah, if it hits about 100,000 barrels a day, so of that's 365 – it's 36.5 million barrels, so dollar will be about $40 million.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thanks. That's all I have.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ethan Bellamy with Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Ethan Bellamy

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Gentlemen, last December, you unloaded some of the 2019 gas hedges? It looks like a rare miss on your hedging strategy. Are you bullish on gas in 2020 on decline rates? And was your timing just off or do the new longer data hedges that you put on in the second quarter stick there as a more pessimistic view on go forward pricing?

Paul Rady

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Well to be in this business, one has to be optimistic. So we are positive thinkers and optimistic, but we're also defensive. So the hedges that we added were definitely not only a price target, but it's when does it happen. And so just to be protective of the balance sheet we added hedges through Cal '20. You're right. As we monetize some hedges always have an eye on delevering and putting forward the best credit metrics. We were seeing a positive setup in terms of supply and demand when we did that back in December. But yes, in hindsight, that was a miss, we would have been better off to just hold on to those, we wouldn't have paid down the 350 million of debt or so. But we would have – we mark that to market every month or so just to learn from our decisions. And that was one where we would have been maybe $100 million ahead by not doing that.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Yeah, I think it's really – demand has been a bit softer than expected. It's not really been the supply and then just the overall sentiment. So that's kind of caught us off sides, I guess.

Ethan Bellamy

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Okay. And then, in terms of the strategy, you guys have laid out some nice, seemingly kind of incremental improvements to the business. But that doesn't seem consistent with the kind of urgency I'm hearing from clients about the decline in the stock prices. You address potentially laying off FTE. Are there any other strategic moves available to you like selling acreage potential midstream asset JV sales that might help arrest some of the capital declines and preserve capital here?

Glen Warren

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Well, there's all of that, but I mean, keep in mind, we're 2.3 times levered and we have well over $1billion of liquidity. So I mean, there's not a real sense of urgency to do those kinds of more dramatic things. And sure, we're always looking at strategic things, a lot of which we can't really talk about publicly until they're done, but we're always working on lots of different alternatives.

Ethan Bellamy

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Okay, thanks Glen.

Glen Warren

Analyst · Ethan Bellamy with Baird. Please state your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'll now turn it back to Michael Kennedy for closing remarks.

Michael Kennedy

Analyst

I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. All parties you may now disconnect. Have a great day.