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Digital Turbine, Inc. (APPS)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 9, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Digital Turbine Fiscal Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please also note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Brian Bartholomew, Senior Vice President of Capital Markets and Strategy. Please go ahead.

Brian Bartholomew

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the Digital Turbine fiscal third quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Joining me today to discuss our results are Bill Stone, CEO; and Barrett Garrison, our CFO. Before we get started, I would like to take this opportunity to remind you that our remarks today will include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on our current assumptions, expectations and beliefs including projected operating metrics, future products and services, anticipated market demand and other forward-looking topics. Although we believe that our assumptions are reasonable, they are not guarantees of future performance and some will inevitably prove to be incorrect. Except as required by law we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. For a discussion of the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by our forward-looking statements please refer to the documents we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Also during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP measures of our performance. Non-GAAP measures are not substitutes for GAAP measures. Please refer to today’s press release for important information about the limitations of using non-GAAP measures as well as reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial results to the most comparable GAAP measures. Now, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Bill Stone.

William Stone

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Brian, and good morning to all of you. I wanted to cover our four things today. First is a review of our Operator and OEM or O&O business including some new partner announcements; second is a review of our Advertising and Publisher or A&P business; third is a review of our Content and Pay business; and finally, are some comments around our work to unlock shareholder value. First on the O&O business, I was very pleased with the continued ramp in this higher margin business and strong demand we are seeing from advertisers wanting to be on the home screen of the device, especially here in the United States. Our overall O&O revenues increase 19% from the prior quarter and 70% compared to the prior year. Of the growth witnessed in the December quarter, 70% of that growth was sourced from new partners that were not live with us last December. Our revenue per slot or RPS was up 22% in this year's holiday period as compared to last year. And as you've heard me say many times, I consider this to be a fundamental health metric of the business as it clearly showcases this demand from advertisers wanted to be on the home screen. Now I'm excited to unveil three new O&O partners. We anticipate having some additional PR around these wins in the coming weeks and months, but I wanted to be able to offer investors some color today. First, I'm pleased to announce that we've signed a new OEM deal with Acer to become a standard feature on their Android devices. We expect to launch with Acer in the June quarter. The Acer deal is a multi-year global partnership, but we anticipate that a majority of the devices will be sold in the Americas. Second,…

Barrett Garrison

Analyst

Thanks Bill, and good morning, everyone. Our primary focus is delivering sustainable profitability and generating positive free cash flows. And we're pleased with the progress made in the quarter towards this objective evidence by expanding gross margins, expense reductions and ultimately improving our EBITDA position. While we have more work to do in achieving our goals we are encouraged by the step forward in accelerating the pace. Now let me turn to the specific financial performance in the quarter. Total revenue in the quarter of $22.3 million was down 2% sequentially and down 7% year-on-year. Advertising revenue is $16.2 million increase 7% sequentially driven by strong performance of our higher margin O&O business as discussed by Bill earlier. Total O&O revenue $11.8 million increase 19% sequentially and 70% year-on-year and now comprises more than half of the Company's total revenue. O&O growth continues to be fueled by existing partners via improved metrics as well as new partners coming on to the platform. New partners were a meaningful source of growth in the quarter. As new partners launched during calendar year 2016 represented more than 70% of the year-on-year O&O growth in the quarter during the seasonally strong holiday period. Inside advertising revenue our legacy A&P revenue was $4.4 million in the quarter down 17% sequentially and down 58% year-on-year. As we continue to experience market trends shifting towards programmatic spending. We have recently implemented actions to align our expense structure given these revenue levels. In addition to spending the investments in RTB that Bill discuss. Further cost restructuring measures have been taken in pursuit of our path to profitability and redirect resources towards our growth initiatives. We expect these cost reductions executed at the end of the quarter and the beginning of fiscal Q4 to be an important step in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from Mike Malouf with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Great. Thanks guys for taking the questions. First up Bill maybe you can just help us a little bit with the S8 opportunity, it’s nice to see you announce that you're going to be on all the major partners. Can you talk about how big of an opportunity that could be for you guys throughout this calendar year?

William Stone

Analyst

Yes, sure Mike. If we just go by assuming the S8 to sell similar to volumes to the S7. It's many millions and millions of devices assuming the sales trends hold the same for the S8 as they did the S7. Obviously, we don't have any insight into what that would be in terms of how the device will be received in the marketplace, but assuming the S8 trend follows the S7 trend. It's a material event for us.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

And when you take a look at the AT&T in particularly because obviously on a different program there than Verizon, what kind of history do you have with regards to monetization of that particular phone on a different platform?

William Stone

Analyst

Yes, so one of the things that we're working on as part of our Ignite 3.0 efforts is migrating towards what we call blended flow and blended flow is really a combination of both Silent like we do with Verizon and Wizard, like we do with AT&T. So one of things we anticipated that you'll see with AT&T is an implementation of this blended flow on the S8. So we'll be able to combine both the Wizard capability and some modest Silent capabilities as we start out of the gate. So we think that will be very good for monetization with AT&T.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

And your expectations just so I can make sure that I'm clear on this is that you'll be generating revenue and this will be live from the first S8 that is sold on the very first day. You're not going to have any kind of two or three week, or two or three-month waiting period to do testing and things like that or…?

William Stone

Analyst

Yes. Our anticipation is that will be on for the very first device sold.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just another question with regards to cost, so you've taken another leg down cost on the A&P side and you're saying that on I think gross margin basis for the A&P side and for the content side that it's covering your operating expenses currently?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst

Yes, that's right. To be more clear, so all of the direct costs associated with those business lines and now after thorough review of all the business activities and all the business lines, our gross margins now exceed their direct operating cost.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

And that was not the case in the December quarter, is that correct?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst

That's correct.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Okay. And then is that the case for the O&O business as well?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst

That’s also true across all lines of business.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Okay. So we just have to cover the corporate expenses after that?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst

That's correct.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Okay. And then when you take a look, just one more question with regards to the seasonality. As you look into the March quarter, you have a lot of sort of seasonality headwinds, but you have a lot of new carriers coming on as well. Would you expect the O&O revenue to be up sequentially from the December numbers?

William Stone

Analyst

Yes. So one of things I mentioned in my remarks, Mike was the seasonality this year was really muted as a result of the Note 7 recall and the resulting increase in Google Pixel Phone sales. So I think the seasonality impact that we saw from the December quarter this year compared to last year was really lower. And so therefore, I think looking at the comps of the December versus the March quarter, you're not going to see the same spike if you will in terms of seasonality to be more normalized performance.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

So given those offsets, do you expect O&O revenue to be up sequentially in the March quarter?

William Stone

Analyst

We're feeling good about the O&O business right now, Mike and we’re up for any guidance in terms of where it's going to finish out for the March quarter, but looking at it is the comp against the December numbers. You're not going to have the same seasonality impact that be used to see.

Michael Malouf

Analyst

Okay. All right, thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Alger with ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Brian Alger

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. A cut to the chase, it looks like there's a lot of opportunities for growth in the June quarter, whether it's ramping up with the S8 or new products being brought to market, new relationships coming into the fold et cetera. June quarter seems to be a breakout quarter at least from the set up. The concern obviously is that we have to go through the March quarter first. And to Mike's questions with regards to the revenue trajectory, I guess in the case of the cost improvements and the cost controls that there's been able to put in place, we feel pretty confident. We will be able to get through this quarter without any material change in terms of the balance sheet?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Brian, obviously, we're focused on and excited about some of the progress we've made on the expense controls and I point you to some of my comments, some of those were made towards the end of December and obviously the beginning of this quarter. So we're excited about those things. We're focused on strengthening the position of the balance sheet and there's obviously a large opportunity set out there that we've outlined on the call. And clearly I want to and Bill wants to set up in our capital structure to exploit these opportunities and while there maybe a gap here and the inherent medium to long-term growth and a profit potential for the business. We do want to take advantage of all these opportunities and generate many meaningful returns. The steps we've taken to ensure we're successful on those path. We've suspended the RTB investment. We talked about redirecting cost, where margins are beginning to grow over some of the declines we've seen in the A&P business our O&O margins are growing over those, we're expanding we're expanding margins in the Ignite platform and we continue to be extremely focused and disciplined on driving higher gross profit and with optimal operating leverage in order to realize the profitability in the near future. But as we expressed on the call and Bill called out while we were improving these fundamentals we've also a talked about actively assessing various ways to extract more value for our shareholders and in that process to bolster the balance sheet. We don't anything definitive to announce here and we'll update progress as necessary and appropriate. But we're excited about the steps we've taken already to improve profitability.

Brian Alger

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Okay. I guess maybe ask it a different way. In the past we've talked about a cash break-even level the Company. I presume that with these adjustments we have a meaningful reduced level of cash break-even noted that we had cash operating expense about $7.4 million given the current blend of the revenue mix where do we think that breakeven level will be on the revenue line?

Barrett Garrisona

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes, I wouldn't point you to any break-even revenue at this point what I would point to is we've had success and bringing the profitability by all business lines are the margins greater than our direct expenses and so grown over those corporate overhead and the public company costs are focused now and we've seen a lot of progress there. While we're not giving quarterly guidance here we're excited about the changes we've already made.

William Stone

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

And Brian, this is Bill, a couple things I’d added on top of that and group everything Barrett said. Number one is I alluded to my remarks that you know we had our first break-even month in December in terms of your gross margin dollars being greater than cash expenses. So that again one-month I don't want to get too excited about it we're going to stretch it out to make it a trend, but the point being is that the profiles materially improving there for us. And the other thing is really talking about mix as the O&O revenues which are much higher margins in those margins get to 40% versus some of the other two businesses your mix on the topline in terms of what you need to do to get to break-even shifts as well. So from our perspective, we're really excited about this diversification to these higher margin revenue partners on the O&O side combined with the reduce expenses, I think really do provide some help from a balance sheet perspective in the immediate term.

Brian Alger

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Great and I want to shift gears away from the financial aspects and talk about the strategic and Bill I got to commend you through this obviously Q4 is difficult with the issues with the Note 7 and everything going on with the Pixel. You guys have done a remarkable job by any measure in terms of strategic alignments and new customer wins and credit to you and yourselves stuff there. I want to understand these are the prospects for advertising within Jio obviously Jio has been a phenomenal story in terms of their subscriber growth and obviously you guys are saying some pretty good units at this point. Walk us through what it means with regards to the advertising there. And then there was also some talk in the past about getting some of the hardware OEMs that sell into Jio to preload Ignite. Can you maybe explain what that might do to the revenues coming out India?

Barrett Garrisona

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes, sure, so we're really in the top of the first inning as a relates to advertising with Jio and you know I really draw parallel in a color here to where we start with Verizon in the early days when we launched with Verizon we started with a couple slots and we expanded it’s three and expanded it’s four and obviously expanded our you know from there which is then a catalyst to grow the topline. Our view a similar scenario with Jio, right now in India from an advertising perspective is Red-Hot a lot of advertisers from companies like Facebook and Flipkart and Amazon big name companies you know want to be on home screen for Indian consumers. And Jio is providing basically a first broadband experience with their 4G LTE network too many of those consumers. So we're seeing very strong advertising demand. Right now in just a matter of working out a lot of the operational issues and coordinations and campaign approvals and budgeted, for attribution and just a lot of the operational blocking and tackling things that we have to do to scale it. But in terms of expanding it as I touched on in my remarks, this week we're crossing over six million from devices and we're actually doing that. I believe across over 50 different models of devices. So it's not just Jio branded. We are already tapping into some other OEM's other than Jio, and it's our expectation that that will continue to grow and expand. And I also want to highlight as it relates to Indian advertising opportunity is the Micromax deal. I believe Micromax is the second largest OEM in India after Samsung. And so for us to get a deal going with them for the open market side of things given just the direct sold by the operator will also expand our addressable market opportunity for advertising in India. So again we're in the top of the first inning, but a lot of good things shaping up for us.

Brian Alger

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Okay, and one last one and I'll hop off. India has gone through a fundamental shift in terms of their economy, remove any amount of cash and circulation and currently taking a hit to the GDP, but the big push here at least publicly is to move things towards digital transactions and more specifically towards mobile transactions. Is there any traction with DT Pay specifically within India or is it just done in Australia and South East Asia?

William Stone

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Yes. No – yes, so we're live. We're generating good revenue, good transaction volume in India. I think I mentioned on the last call, although the average revenue per transaction is much lower in India than it is in Australia just because of the economic dynamics there. We do about 50% of the transaction volume in India already that we're doing in Australia today. So we are doing a sizable amount of transactions there. There are a lot of – we’re not want to get in the weeds on this call, but there are a lot of operational issues in terms of different browsers and how things render differently, so customers can click on things and it makes the implementation a bit more difficult. I think we've tackled the vast majority of those issues. So we anticipate our India Pay business to continue to ramp both because of the dynamics that you referenced, but also as we just add additional content providers that want to sell content to Indian consumers.

Brian Alger

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Great, thanks for the update.

William Stone

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Thanks Brain.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Sameet Sinha with B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Sameet Sinha

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead.

I don’t know if my questions have previously been answered, just jump on a few minutes late. But can you talk about I mean most strategically looking at both the A&P business and the Pay business or any of the business that you have currently? I mean if you've done an assessment any of these businesses, which you don't think strategically important that you can potentially divest and sell, and specifically focusing on the A&P and Pay side?

William Stone

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Yes sure, Sameet. We do all three of our businesses is having strategic value and putting together. I think that as I said in my remarks, I don't believe the street today though is giving us proper value for the A&P and Pay business and so therefore it's incumbent upon us to show how we can unlock shareholder value and there's a myriad of ways that we can do that. But with all that being said on the corporate development side, from a business development strategy perspective, for example, we have launched our Pay product in the Philippines, today integrated with Ignite with Electronic Arts, where you can – we Ignite delivers Electronic Arts games, customer clicks on it and then can have it using our DT Pay capability can have the charges right on to their mobile phone bill. So that shows nice synergies between those. I also touched in my remarks of how we have 1,000 of advertising partners and not one advertiser contributes more than 6% of revenue, part of that is we're able to cross-sell across our platforms between our advertisers. So there's definitely synergies there, but right now our focus is how we can unlock value to show the street that these businesses are not being properly valued today.

Sameet Sinha

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Got it, and specifically you're going to focus on the A&P side of it, so you clearly made a decision not to invest in RTB. Can you explain what is left and what's the rest of the business and how should we expected revenue trends there?

William Stone

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Yes, sure. So from A&P business perspective, we’ve seen the revenues have stabilized in that business. We're really focused on publishers that we've been with for a long time. So think of names like Baidu would be an example of that. But also growing revenues with other RTB providers that don't have an exposure to advertisers or the demand catalog that we have, again partially a result of the O&O business. So given that rich demand catalog we have for many advertisers, there's many publishers that want to run our inventory and so that's where we're seeing the growth and the stabilization with our A&P network today.

Sameet Sinha

Analyst · B. Riley. Please go ahead.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Ilya Grozovsky with National Securities. Please go ahead.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

All right, thanks. Good morning. Bill, did I understand you correctly just now that you said that the A&P revenues have stabilized at this level and your response to the last question?

William Stone

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay. So do we think that this is a – this $4 million or so level is for the next several quarters it's something that you guys can maintain?

William Stone

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Absolutely and we're working to grow it, we're not looking to maintain it. None of us are here to maintain anything; we're here to grow things. So there's a variety of things underway in terms of how we can grow that. There are some structural headwinds in our way for that, but there's also a variety of things we're doing as a Company to attack a variety of different opportunities. One specifically I mentioned today is I touched in my remarks around Ignite Delivers, and if you think about all of our publishers today, even I use Baidu in China as an example. They run an ad. A customer has to basically go through five steps to get the app on their phone and get us paid. If we can do that in one step through Baidu that's a tremendous value enhancer and a differentiator for us amongst our other competitors in the A&P space. So that would be an example of us leveraging the O&O capabilities of being in the android priv-app section to be able to grow topline on the A&P business. So those are the examples of things that we're looking to do not just to maintain, but to attempt to grow.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

And can you say the same for the Content business that the $6 million level of this quarter is also essentially the bottom?

William Stone

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes. As I mentioned in my remarks, we've seen a return to growth as we've entered 2017 in that business and we're very excited about the prospects both in terms of – now marketing partners coming back in Australia, but also the growth in Asia that I touched on for, I think it was Brian’s question in India as well as the Axiata deal that we announced a couple weeks ago.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then my last question is given that we’re roughly halfway through the March quarter, where do you think your cash is going to be at the end of March?

Barrett Garrison

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes. We wouldn't give specific direction on the exact cash levels, but you would have seen and our results for the last quarter where we're easing the burn absent, some of the working capital swings that we'd see like AR. I'd point to our improving EBITDA contributed by expanding margins in our – the expense reduction and redirecting that we talked about as we exit the quarter. So I think we have a path to easing that burn and progress throughout the quarter.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay. So then here's my final question, given your comments to – your answers to my question and given the fact that in the past you have given guidance especially a year out or so, and all the good things that are happening in the O&O business, if we're stable in these other pieces of the business that have been sort of messy over the past four, five quarters here. Why do you not feel confident enough to say kind of directionally at least some range that you guys have put out in the past kind of for 2000 and even for the March quarter, but how about 2018 on the fiscal side?

William Stone

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes. As you think about our remarks – review remarks why we didn't give the specific guidance. We did aim in our prepared remarks to offer kind of direction and insights into our management intention and our expected progress. And we highlighted – we were very clear about timing of launches to happen over the quarter in the June quarter and important drivers of growth that we see like being on the S8 with a number of global carriers, which has timing uncertainty. We talked about how we're tracking our progress towards our goals, EBITDA expansion and profit expansion so you know those are - and you know kind of insides we provided in our in our comments. Regarding on a annual guidance and philosophy here, what I'd like to do and what I aim to do is go through our full have a chance to go through our full operating plan with our teams and fiscal 2018. And be in a position to give annual guidance and consider annual guidance in our next earnings call.

Ilya Grozovsky

Analyst · National Securities. Please go ahead.

Understood. Thank you very much. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

All right. And this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Bill Stone for any closing remarks.

William Stone

Analyst

Thank you. And thanks to all of this for join in today. We're poised for a great 2017 and keep an eye out for news flow and we'll be back to you with updates against our progress against our goals. Thanks again. And have a great day.

Operator

Operator

All right. Thank you. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.