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Apogee Enterprises, Inc. (APOG)

Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Dec 19, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q3 Fiscal 2013 Apogee Enterprises Inc. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Kirstie, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I'd now like to turn the call over to Ms. Mary Ann Jackson. Please proceed.

Mary Ann Jackson

Analyst

Thank you, Kirstie. Good morning, and welcome to the Apogee Enterprises fiscal 2013 third quarter conference call on Wednesday, December 19, 2012. With us on the line today are Joe Puishys, CEO; and Jim Porter, CFO. Their remarks will focus on our fiscal 2013 third quarter and our outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2013. During the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on current expectations and the current economic environment and are, of course, subject to risks and uncertainties, which are beyond the control of management. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, and actual results may differ materially. Important risk and other important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements and projections are described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended March 3, 2012, and in our press release issued yesterday afternoon and filed on Form 8-K. Joe will now give you a brief overview of the results, and then Jim will cover the financials. After they conclude, Joe and Jim will answer your question. Joe?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thank you, Mary Ann. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter fiscal '13 conference call. I'm very pleased with our third quarter earnings, which were certainly better than expected. We earned $0.28 a share, up 40% from the $0.20 per share earned in the prior year, same period. Our net earnings, which were up 45%, came in even stronger than we had forecasted as the architectural segment successfully executed a more favorable mix of complex work in the quarter. Operations at all 6 business units also performed well in the quarter, contributing to our better-than-expected results. At the same time, we achieved 9% revenue growth in the third quarter even though our end markets have yet to improve. As a result of our third quarter performance, we have increased our outlook for fiscal 2013 to earnings per share of $0.62 to $0.67 a share range from continuing ops on revenue growth of 5% to 6%. Apogee's year-to-date earnings from continuing operations are $0.51 per share, compared to $0.06 a share in the first 9 months of fiscal '12. Revenue growth year-to-date is just over 5%. We've been able to show strong profitable growth in fiscal 2013 through share gains, pricing, improved mix and good operational performance, all without help from our end markets. Apogee's architectural segment continue to show significant improvement in this quarter. All 5 business units in this segment grew operating income in the quarter, contributing to year-over-year segment operating margin improvement of 310 basis points. The improvement resulted from higher architectural glass pricing, improving installation margins, better mix and good operational performance. Within the architectural segment, revenues grew 11%. All of the architectural businesses grew year-on-year, with the installation business showing the greatest growth. And I am pleased with the conversion on this incremental revenue…

James Porter

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thanks, Joe. We had a strong third quarter performance and continued weak end markets. We earned $0.28 per share, compared to $0.20 per share last year, exceeding our prior year performance, again, as we expected. Apogee's gross margin improved 230 basis points to 22.2%, up from 19.9% in the third quarter of last year. The improvement was driven by the architectural segment, where we had a number of positive things going on: Higher architectural glass pricing, improving installation project margins, a more value-added and complex mix of work, higher capacity utilization and solid operational performance. Gross margin is up about 170 basis points sequentially from the fiscal 2013 second quarter as a result of better mix of value-added products and projects, flow of installation projects, along with slightly higher capacity utilization. Our architectural segment had third quarter operating income of $5.8 million, an increase of more than $5 million from earnings of about $600,000 in last year's third quarter. Segment revenues grew 11%. All architectural businesses grew, with the largest increase from our installation business, which has been gaining shares that expanded into new domestic geographies. Third quarter architectural segment capacity utilization ended at about 64%, up slightly from 63% in the second quarter and from 60% in the prior year period. As our capacity utilization increases with architectural segment growth, we are better leveraging our fixed assets and have the opportunity to expand our margin. At $300 million, we essentially maintained the value of our second quarter architectural backlog. Segment revenues grew double digit in the third quarter. And we replaced these revenues and backlog with a good level of new orders. Our backlog remains at the highest level in over 3 years. And on top of that, we continue to see good bidding activity. We feel good about…

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thank you, Jim. Kirstie, if you could please offer the participants the opportunity to call and repeat the instructions for getting a question for me or Jim. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And stand by for your first question, which comes from the line of Bob Kelly from Sidoti & Company.

Robert Kelly

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Just a question -- you talked about the visibility into F '13 is a little bit better than it was coming into F '12. What does that mean specifically, just as far as what you have in backlog? Are you hearing something different from your customers this year compared to last?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes. It's primarily -- it's really a combination. But primarily, when we look at our backlog, what's in our backlog, looking out into next year, both in terms of the value of the backlog as well as in the margins in the backlog, I think our view, as bidding continues to be good, I would say it's probably more consistent at this point last year, but really the backlog value.

Robert Kelly

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, great. And then just as far as the low margin installation work that you've referenced in prior quarters, are we still running that off? Are we -- has that completed? And then a project that goes into backlog during your fiscal third quarter, how does that compare margin-wise to what was added, say, a year ago?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Bob, the trend continues with similar year-over-year comps. The third quarter margin and backlog which was up about $1 million, as Jim noted and I noted, about $300 million, essentially flat. A significant portion of that is the installation business. The margins and backlog in that business are up a couple of hundred basis points from the same backlog last year. That's a similar story from the prior quarter when we compare that. So we continue to see improvement in the range of 100 to 300 improvement in basis points, trending slightly better as we move forward. So we are beginning, obviously, to see some impact on revenues, but we're on the front end of that improvement.

Robert Kelly

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, fair enough. And then just as far as -- during the Analyst Day in November, you talked about some productivity enhancements. Would that -- would those -- I know we're early on in those projects. When they start to payback for you, are they additive to the kind of the plus 100 to 300 backlog improvement? I mean, is that the way to think about the productivity enhancements?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

We're targeting approximately 100 basis points a year in operating income enhancement from operational improvements. They -- that's all-in. Meaning, productivity investments we're making through capital, through automation, as well as through our Lean Sigma initiatives. So bottom line is, our target is about 100 basis points of margin a year from operational enhancements.

Robert Kelly

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Right. No, I understand that. I'm just -- that's over and above -- it sounds like all else held equal. Your architectural backlog or the margins that you're going to run through the P&L are anywhere is from 100 to 300 basis points better than a year ago. The...

James Porter

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, additive. It's additive to that.

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Again, the margin and backlog primarily driven by our projects business, which we really don't have significant operations there.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman from D. A. Davidson.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · Brent Thielman from D. A. Davidson

It seems like LSO had some isolated events that sort of impacted Q3. And I was just wondering, in your guidance, are you expecting sequentially lower contributions from that business in Q4, like we'd typically see? Or do you think it actually could be a little bit better?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Brent Thielman from D. A. Davidson

I'll answer at a high level, we did not find the third quarter a trend. It is a seasonal business. Last year, our first half was -- our second half was much stronger than our first half, so our comps are harder in the second half than the first. Year-to-date, that's a business that's up mid-single digits as well, and the operating margins are improving. The third quarter is not a trend. Whether or not we'll beat the fourth quarter, again, it's a business where we don't have a backlog and it all depends on how the promotions work at our customer level. But I have no concerns about that business.

James Porter

Analyst · Brent Thielman from D. A. Davidson

And Brent, despite being slightly below last year, we do anticipate the normal seasonality to hold, which means Q3 is stronger than Q4.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tom Sepenzis from Northland.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

I'm just curious in terms of the guidance, the range that you've given of $0.62 to $0.67, obviously, up from the prior range, but it does look like that the -- that would kind of dictate an $0.11- to $0.16-quarter in the February quarter, which is below the current consensus of $0.19. I just want to make sure that I'm reading that correctly.

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

Yes, you're reading it correctly. We are projecting improvement year-over-year. Jim pointed out correctly that we did have some tax pickup last year. We certainly talked about that a year ago. We wanted to remind folks so that they remember the year-over-year improvement is actually slightly better than what's on paper. But I think you've read it correctly.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

Okay, great. So there's nothing in the business that's causing that. That's mainly just due to the tax implications on, from -- that you're not benefiting from this year?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

We -- I would say the business results are allowing us to increase our guidance and to basically count on another quarter of year-over-year improvement. I guess the debate is how much, and we've given you what we believe.

James Porter

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

Yes. And Tom, as you know, I mean, the biggest uncertainty in our business is just the timing of activity on construction projects. And that impacts both what's actually going to end up flowing in Q4. And then there's a lot of variation within the mix of the actual projects too. And so it's really just the variation in our outlook is really more a function of the work that we have visibility to and how the timing of it actually flows.

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

And Tom, I would just like to add for you and probably the whole audience, my view of what will happen come the end of this count fiscal year, with regards to tax increases and spending, is no more accurate than anyone else's, including yours. But I'm a firm believer that if we can get some certainty, whatever the news is right now, the key word is that the end markets are uncertain, and uncertainty leads to people sitting on the bench. We certainly feel there is pent-up demand and there is clearly projects that are on hold. I think with certainty, the economy will begin to improve, regardless of the results. So again, with all those variables out there, we cannot predict what's going to happen in our end markets, but we do expect a soft first half next year to give to you. And hopefully, the second half will start to see a possible buildup in our architectural side.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

Great. And can you just talk a little bit more obviously, you've had some a pretty good success in the installations business, and I'm just wondering how much Brazil is weighing on that? But maybe if you could provide us a little bit of commentary on what you're doing down there in South America, that would be helpful.

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

We don't do business in South America or, in fact, outside the United States on the installations side. We do have our glass fabrication business in Brazil, which was acquired approximately 2 years ago. And that business continues to perform well and is continuing to drive year-over-year increases. Jim is pretty familiar with the Brazil market. It does -- the economic indicators in Brazil, although they kind of ebbed and flowed a little bit this year, it's certainly better than the economic indicators here, and our end markets continue to show improvement in Brazil for the architectural glass business.

James Porter

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

I would just like to add, Thomas, as you -- I mean as Joe said, it's a great end market. Our business continues to perform well down there. And actually, in local currency, it's growing nicely. We do have some headwinds from an exchange rate perspective, that's just the smaller part of our business today, but things are going well. We're excited about it.

Thomas Sepenzis

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

So then most of the growth in the installations has been in the Southwest and Texas area? Is that fair?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Tom Sepenzis from Northland

No, that's a contributor to the growth. But it's really growing both in existing markets and in new markets. And new markets includes Texas, but our strategy in that business has also been to pursue attractive projects even if they're outside our core markets. For example, we've got some attractive work going on in New Orleans today, too. So it's both current and new market.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes again from Bob Kelly from Sidoti & Company.

Robert Kelly

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

I wanted to get a follow-up in. As far as what you have in backlog from some of the new product and the new market initiatives that you outlined during the November Analyst Day, could you help us out where you are with the retrofit opportunity pushing more demand with the ESCOs? What maybe percent of the growth in backlog is coming from new product introduction?

James Porter

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, 2 questions there, Bob. The retrofit initiative is obviously, one of my top priorities. We're just in the infancy of that. We have hit -- got on the scoreboard with several projects, but they are insignificant to the total $300 million backlog. But we are starting to gain traction. I do believe for fiscal '14, it'll have a bigger impact and we'll be calling that out. New products, we had been a little bit behind on new product introductions. So again, our activity level now, which is really as high as it's been in quite a long time, is beginning to gain traction. And dollar wise, it helps to contribute. It's again a small, probably less than 15% of the backlog. But if things we're introducing are more complex, whether it be hurricane or glass products, new coatings and new capabilities, that drive more attractive margins. So the impact on margin is the key here as opposed to the dollar value.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jon Braatz from Kansas Capital.

Jon Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz from Kansas Capital

Joe, you talked a little bit about improving the mix of business, higher value-added products. When you look at the backlog, today about $300 million, I think it was, how would you characterize sort of that $300 million in terms of higher value products and compared to maybe where you might have been a year ago?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Jon Braatz from Kansas Capital

We have different tiers of products and complexity in most of our businesses, and we've moved the needle on that. It's hard to give you an answer on the number. But of the $300 million, I would say single-digit percentage point improvement in complexity. But that's a general statement because complexity for our glass business might be having a digital print capability, which we didn't have. And that is significant. Maybe a different finish in our aluminum business, which is less significant, but very important to that business. So it's definitely moving in the right direction.

Jon Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz from Kansas Capital

Okay. How much more of a margin do you earn on those more complex projects? Is it a couple of -- I mean, a couple of hundred basis points? Or can you give us a sense on what...

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Jon Braatz from Kansas Capital

In the installation business, a couple of hundred basis points. 300 basis points is a reasonably accurate number to say a more complex project, where you'll have fewer competitors, more of the national players and fewer of the local installers in the products business. Again, we're probably talking in the 100 to 500 basis points in margin enhancement.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services.

Alan Brochstein

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

Let me echo, a great quarter. I just had a question about the LSO business. Early in your tenure, you talked about a real opportunity to expand to Europe. I was just wondering if you could update us how that's playing out so far?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

Sure. As I told you, I love this business. We have a very good presence in the U.S. and incredibly strong relationships with our customer base. That business, too, continues to launch new products, which help drive a better mix. We did enter Europe this year. We now have approximately a few -- a little bit more than one dozen distributors signed up. And we expect to pick up a couple million dollars of revenue, I'll use a round number, so relatively small to the total scheme, but not insignificant to that business. And we believe that will continue to grow. The market is smaller than the U.S. But it's still a significant market, so we're off to good start. We have locked up our logistics capabilities through distribution and warehousing. And we continue to add distributors and we have brought on a couple of executives this year to help drive growth in that business, which I'm confident we will.

James Porter

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

And as Joe said, we've really increased our presence and our penetration, keep in mind it's in the context of a very difficult economic environment, where discretionary spending is impacted. But I think we're establishing a nice platform for that market.

Alan Brochstein

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

Fantastic. And then another question. As far as acquisitions, what's the likelihood that you guys will do an acquisition in fiscal '14? And do you have any that you're looking at now?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

We have a strong pipeline of opportunities we're looking at in several of our businesses. I would be -- that would be inappropriate on my part to say we'd get a deal done. I would -- we have the capacity, I'd said it before. I'll walk away from 10 good deals before I do a bad one, so we will be smart in how we go about this. The team is active. Yes, there are properties we're looking at. But of course, the odds of getting a deal done are always low. And a lot of properties have not been performing well in a down market and a lot of people don't like to sell at the bottom of the barrel. So it does take a leap of faith that things will get better, and so we're very aggressive and looking at opportunities. We'll be very cautious and conservative in valuation. So I cannot predict whether we'll get a deal done, but we're certainly active. And even if we don't get a deal done, Alan, we learn a ton with the process.

Alan Brochstein

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

And do you think it would be more likely that this would be more international expansion or domestic? Or it's -- or either?

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Alan Brochstein from AB Analytical Services

Alan, I really can't comment on that. We are not locked in on one region, I'll just say that.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions queued at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Joe Puishys for closing remark.

Joseph Puishys

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Okay, Kirstie. This is Joe. Listen, everybody. Thank you for listening in to our call and hearing our story. We appreciate your time and attention here and Jim and I will get back to the business and continue to drive growth. So thank you for your attention today. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.