Greetings and welcome to the Apple Hospitality REIT fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Kelly Clarke, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin.

Thank you and good morning. We welcome you to Apple Hospitality REIT's fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call on this, the 24th day of February 2021. Today's call will be based on the fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings release and Form 10-K, which were distributed and filed yesterday afternoon. As a reminder, today's call will contain forward-looking statements as defined by federal securities laws, including statements regarding future operating results and the impact to the company's business and financial condition from and measures being taken in response to COVID-19. These statements involve known and unknown risks and other factors which may cause actual results, performance or achievements of Apple Hospitality to be materially different from future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Participants should carefully review our financial statements and the notes thereto, as well as the risk factors described in Apple Hospitality's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020 and other filings with the SEC. Any forward-looking statement that Apple Hospitality makes speaks only as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, except as required by law. In addition, certain non-GAAP measures of performance, such as EBITDA, EBITDAre, adjusted EBITDAre, adjusted hotel EBITDA, FFO and modified FFO will be discussed during this call. We encourage participants to review reconciliations of those measures to GAAP measures as included in yesterday's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. For a copy of the earnings release or additional information about the company, please visit applehospitalityreit.com. This morning, Justin Knight, our Chief Executive Officer and Liz Perkins, our Chief Financial Officer, will provide an overview of our results for the fourth quarter and full year 2020. Following the overview, we will open the call for Q&A. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Justin.

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I want to take a moment to acknowledge the recent passing of Arne Sorenson. Arne was one of the most intelligent and insightful individuals in our business and a truly good person. He aspired to make the world a better place and cared deeply for friends, family and business associates. Marriott is fortunate to have attracted many great people over the years and I have every confidence that the company will be in good hands. But I personally will miss him. And I know others will as well. Challenges brought by the COVID-19 pandemic meaningfully impacted travel beginning in March of last year, making 2020 the most difficult year on record for the hotel industry. We are incredibly grateful to work with the best management teams in the industry who in light of unprecedented challenges effectively adjusted to the new environment and continued to serve guests with care. In 2020, we were unrivaled in our ability to keep our hotels open and that would not have been possible without their dedication and hospitality. I also want to recognize the efforts of our team members at Apple who have worked tirelessly over the past year. Our success is in large part a direct result of their work. We have developed and refined a hotel investment strategy unique in its ability to mitigate risk and volatility while producing compelling investor returns throughout economic cycles. Our strategy is straightforward. Own a portfolio of geographically diversified, select service hotels affiliated with the best brands, work with the best management teams in the industry, consistently reinvest in our hotels to ensure they remain relevant and competitive and maintain a flexible capital structure with low leverage. The current environment has created more significant operating…

Thank you Justin and thank you everyone for joining us this morning. While we began the year ahead of our original expectations. The environment quickly deteriorated in March with the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting shutdowns driving industry occupancies to historic lows. April portfolio occupancy dropped to 18% and at that time, we estimated a monthly cash burn of $18 million before CapEx but after G&A and debt service at occupancy between 15% and 20%, without visibility and how long our portfolio would remain at such depressed levels. With a swift focus and action of our corporate management company and property level team, we were able to meaningfully reduce expenses, adjust and optimize our labor models at our lowest occupancy, make the determination to keep all hotels open after a thorough risk and financial assessment, focus on securing the remaining demand in market and begin rebuilding occupancy to breakeven at the hotel level in May. By retaining key sales associates and keeping our hotels open, we maintained momentum and continued to grow occupancy through the summer and into the fall, reaching 54% in October, benefiting from the return of leisure demands, but also government, healthcare, construction, disaster recovery, insurance, athletics, education, crew and local and regional corporate business. A continued focus on property level cost controls, efficient corporate overhead and relatively low interest obligations enabled us to return to positive cash flow at the corporate level by July and for the year. Together with the sustained efforts of our third-party management companies and with the support from our brands, our best-in-class asset management team continued to implement cost elimination and efficiency initiatives, effectively managing labor costs, reducing and eliminating certain services and amenities and renegotiating rates under various service contracts. These efforts enabled us to lower rooms expenses…

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question is from Austin Wurschmidt with KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thank everybody. I wanted to focus on the external growth side. It's something you guys have been commented on quite a bit here and I am just curious, Justin, transaction volume still remains low but how much have you seen maybe activity pick up in the last month or two? And do you feel like you have enough visibility today to move forward with a deal? Or are you more reluctant, I guess, given still the uncertainty around maybe business travel more broadly?

It's a great question. Thanks for joining us today, Austin. We, as are others in our space, are continuing to become more confident in the trajectory of the recovery. In terms of total deals available, we are still seeing limited supply in the market. The brokers, who historically this time of year would have a large number of assets available for sale, have very few. We have had a number of conversations with individual owners who are contemplating selling. But I think, thinking about timing, the types of assets that we own and the types of assets that we would be interested in buying are now cash flow positive at the property level largely. And so they are in a position to be more likely to trade. I think our positioning around those improves as the year progresses. Right now, owners are still receiving or benefiting from significant flexibility from lenders and some government assistance. As those things burn off and as we move further into the year, I think we will continue to see an increased number. I think it's worth highlighting as well that we continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in the space. I think given the relative position of our publicly-traded, the bulk of that is coming from private equity. There were significant funds raised in advance. And we are in is unique period where early opportunities may actually trade up just because of the imbalance of supply and demand with your assets in the market and more buyers who are looking for assets. As this shapes up, we think the window of opportunity will be extended. And I think I have highlighted in past conversations with you and in past calls that our expectation is that as we progress through the recovery, there will be assets that come to market for a variety of reasons and one of those that will cause, we think, continued inventory in the market available for purchase is that at some point the brands will mandate a return to their capital improvements programs and those who have depleted FF&E reserves and utilized those funds to cover short term shortfalls from a debt service standpoint will be more likely to bring assets to market at that time. So I think long way to answer a short question. But near term, we think there will be selective opportunities as likely there is not the opportunity would be better to potentially sell assets on short term with acquisition opportunities increasing as the year progresses.

That's a lot of interesting comments there. I want to kind of focus on the piece about the supply demand imbalance in terms of number of transactions and capital on the sidelines that's waiting to be deployed. So then when you think about executing maybe on the disposition side here earlier in the year or before really volume ramps up and redeploying that, with your low leverage model, interest rates at all-time lows and presumably the financing markets for hotels improving, do you feel like you are able to compete with more levered buyers on larger transactions? Or are one-off relationship type deal is still more attractive to you?

Well, I think just from a product quality standpoint, one-off deals continue to generally be more attractive to us, I mean as we look at larger portfolios available and/or owned, there's a stark difference generally speaking between the portfolios owned by publicly-traded companies and those held by private equity owners. And then you beyond that, there are smaller portfolios that are high-quality that are owned by owner-operators that would also be attractive to us. But as we look for assets that are a good fit for our portfolio, the bulk of the opportunity we think exists in individual asset trades. Though as we highlighted in the past, we continue to underwrite any and all deals that come to market. And at appropriate pricing, we would be willing to pursue portfolio transactions as well. I do not see us as being disadvantaged in the current environment relative to higher leverage private equity firms. The desired return that those groups are seeking and availability of debt for larger portfolios to those groups, it creates a mismatch. We actually, as some of our peers have demonstrated, have access as a publicly-traded company to relatively inexpensive financing should we see an opportunity worth pursuing.

Got it. That's very helpful. And thank you. I will hop back in the queue. Thank you.

And our next question is from Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. This is Allison, on for Anthony. You guys have done very well in generating demand related to COVID-19 in a variety of market. So when do you think that business starts to moderate or go away? And how quickly could you replicate that business? Thanks.

We have benefited universally from COVID-related business. I think that as we progress even through 2020, where we were seeing influxes of that business in certain markets for certain hotels, when we saw that you pullback, it was a direct result of cases coming down and business and things being more open and it being safer to get out and about and I think we were seeing compensating demand. So as we look forward, we would be hopeful that that same pattern would continue that as cases increased, like we saw in 2020, we would see increases in traveling nurses or vaccine deployments and as numbers came down, people would be safe, feel safer to get out and travel, whether for leisure or business travel. So I don't know the exact timing although we are encouraged by the vaccination deployments and the anticipation that a large number of Americans could be vaccinated and we could reach herd immunity mid-year. So I think that as you have heard others anticipate that the back half of the year, we would see a pickup in both leisure and some regional and local business travel, at that time you may see COVID-related business pullback. But there would be offsetting demand.

That was very helpful. Thank you.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Dany Asad with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Good morning everybody. Liz, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that Apple lowered room expense by 19% on a per occupied room basis. It was very impressive considering the limited service portfolio. Can you help us bucket the different components of that expense cut? And then how much of that will be sustainable as the recovery firms up?

That's a million dollar question, Dany. So across the rooms department, we saw decreases in expenses pretty universally. I mean wages certainly, our teams continued to be very efficient. We have had managers early on and even during the fourth quarter pickup shifts and so hourly wages were able to be well controlled. But guest supplies, cleaning supplies, comp services, the team really has taken a look at every line item and every expense across the hotel, not just in rooms and found ways to be more efficient. I mean we have spoken from the beginning around really looking at the value proposition what's most important to guests right now. The brands have certainly been supportive and flexible as we offer guests what's necessary but in a safe way that meets their needs. And so we, in the fourth quarter, did see a slight increase per occupied room in wages specifically relative to what we saw in the third quarter although that's not too unexpected when you have holidays where people are taking paid time off and in light of the anticipated seasonal increase in the new year and following the spring and summer. We certainly didn't want to furlough or lay anyone off. We saw the declines in November and December that sort of increased our per occupied room cost relative to the third quarter as short term. And so we didn't want to make drastic cuts.

Got it. And then my second question is, just in terms of channel mix, how do the metrics that you mentioned just earlier in the prepared remarks, how do those compare to the channel mix we saw in the 2008, 2009 trough? Like specifically, I am curious to know as to where OTA mix might have peaked last time around?

I would have to go back and look and see what visibility we had to channel mix for our portfolio at that time. I would anticipate that OTA business has increased between that time and now universally. I think we have started to gain some momentum and regained some of that share and redirect some of those bookings back to direct channels later on in this cycle, this past cycle. But I think that we find the OTA business is a greater percentage currently than it was then.

Yes. And to that, this is a very different cycle than the last one. Looking back at the last cycle, there was still significant amount of business transient even during the depth of the downturn. And we ended up doing more of adjusting the mix of our business taking specifically more government business in a number of markets and other segments that have slightly lower rates but enabled us to build base. I think what's unique here is that we have seen really outsized performance and what appears to be a significant pent-up demand on the leisure side, which is driving short term the OTA numbers for us. But as Liz highlighted in her prepared remarks, we are beginning to see a transition and increased number of bookings from some of our more traditional business transient accounts which we see as a good sign as we move through the year and look to continue to fill occupancy across our portfolio.

And Justin, how much control do you have like over managing those channels? So like, do you owe anything in terms of contractually to the OTAs? Are you able to shut them down as business transient recovers more? If they are going to recover more quickly, how much control do you have over that, the channel mix?

We certainly can influence channel mix. It gets easier as occupancy is increasing and the revenue management systems can preference highest rated and most profitable business. We have had significant development in the revenue management systems over the past cycle and especially in recent years. So they are set up to quickly adapt to changes in demand. So we do have control. But I think that it gets easier the more demand there is to the sort of mix manage and preference. So in the current environment, we have most channels open taking the business that's available. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, once we get to 70% occupancy or so and there is relatively strong demand in market, then we can start really preferencing business.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Bryan Maher with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning guys. Kind of circling back to the acquisitions discussion earlier. Justin, as you sit here today and based upon what you are seeing from brokers and others, do you guys anticipate though being a net acquirer or net of dispositions of this year? And if so, to kind of what level as measured in, I don't know, tens or hundreds of millions of dollars?

It's a great question. We are in a great, in an enviable position right now because we are unique in that we can be opportunistic. I think it's early in the year to determine exactly how things will play out. As we pursued the sale of assets within our portfolio, we have done so only when we saw attractive pricing. We haven't needed to sell assets to reposition our balance sheet. And I think it's fair to assume that we would look at dispositions in the same way as we move throughout the year. I highlighted the potential supply demand imbalance which could create motivation for us to more seriously look at potential dispositions from our portfolio. But I think as the year moves, you will see us begin to shift focus towards the back-half of the year towards acquisitions as we expect most of the opportunities will begin to materialize as the year progresses. Whether or not where we are net buyers or sellers this year is difficult at this point. I think if you look at what we are likely to do over the entirety of the cycle, our expectation is that we would be net acquires of assets over the entirety of the cycle. We really see this as a unique opportunity for us to build our portfolio and us as being uniquely positioned given the strength of our balance sheet to do that in a way that benefits our shareholders.

Great. And so you have a track record of being the takeout buyer on some newly developed hotels. Have you seen any existing relationships or new relationships you might have come across with hotel builders currently who may be desperately looking for a takeout when the property gets its CO in the next couple of quarters?

We haven't seen desperation at this point. But certainly and I have highlighted this in past calls, early in the cycle our takeout has greater value for developers who generally are not able to borrow as much, absent our takeout in terms of loan to cost on new development deals plus given market uncertainty, I think there is increased value as they look at potential development deals and having a firm takeout price, reducing their risk related to managing construction costs. Generally, early in the cycle we are able to sign up good deals taking advantage of lower construction costs and this incremental value that we provide developers early cycle to negotiate really good pricing for deals which then puts us in a great position as the cycle progresses to add to our portfolio at attractive pricing relative to market pricing for existing deals in later years. I think you will see us as the year progresses begin to look more seriously at those types of deals. But short term the bulk of our focus is going to be on existing deals, both looking as a potential buyer and a seller.

Great. And then just last for me. You guys put in place an ATM. I forget when exactly was it. I think was maybe the third quarter. Was the thought process when you put that in place more to just be having the liquidity facing that or as a more aggressive acquisition opportunity used later down the road? What was your thought process when you put that in place? And that's all for me.

Okay. And to be super clear, our safety net is our strategy. So our safety net is having assets that have lower volatility, higher margins and having a strong balance sheet coming into this. So it's really our view relative to ATM is for that to be a tool to use on offense. And I have highlighted in the past that really as we look at potential acquisition opportunities, the math is easy for us and we are able to pursue opportunities when we see an ability based on market pricing for specific assets to generate incremental value for our existing shareholders. I think to the extent we tap our ATM, it will be around specific opportunities that we see available to us in the market.

Okay. Thank you Justin.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Neil Malkin with Capital One Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Good morning guys.

Good morning.

First one, you talked about you are currently working on extending your covenant waivers. A lot of the other peers have called out the acquisition flexibility or increase thereof. I don't think I have seen them in yours and I don't know you called it out this time or last time. Do you guys have the capacity to do acquisitions without some sort of capital event? That would be the first part. And the second part would be, because you will come out from under the waivers first, would you be willing to get more aggressive if you see more visibility in the portfolio on existing deals just kind of near term levering up a little bit?

Good morning Neil. Related to your amendment question, our first amendment, we did have a carve-out for acquisitions. We utilized that. We were able to execute the forward commitments that we had. And so since the beginning of last year, we have closed on five hotels, including Madison which we recently closed on. So we had a basket. We used the basket. And so we did have the flexibility with the first amendment. Going into extending the covenant waiver period, it's a little bit early for me to give details as to what will be included. We anticipate being able to provide more information in the near term. We are close to finalizing everything with the banks. But conversations are going well and we are in a relatively good position as we have those conversations. And I think that we will reach an agreement that's helpful for everybody.

And looking at our relative positioning, to answer the second part of your question, should we see the market free up in a meaningful way, we have a tremendous amount of confidence that we could access the debt markets in advance of a recovery to pursue specific opportunities. We don't think that now is the time for that and to take on incremental leverage and store cash. Absent an open market with a ready ability to deploy it, we think would be counterproductive.

I appreciate your comments. Second one is, do you have, I guess, to quantify how much your transient demand was down from 2019 levels? Just trying to get a sense for like how that sort of pent-up demand from the leisure side comes back in this year as the vaccines or vaccine proliferation continues, herd immunity, people get more comfortable and you have the ridiculous amount of stimulus pumped into people's your bank accounts. It just seems like there's going to be extremely strong amount of transient business, especially close to your what are adjacent or approximate assets. So can you just maybe frame that up in terms of, if leisure was down like 50% from 2019 levels and could it go to 75%? Or was it down like 70% from 2019? Just how do you think about that? And how do you expect that to play out?

Transient in general or leisure transient?

Leisure, sorry.

Leisure transient. I think across the portfolio, both leisure and business transient, when you look at our occupancy, we were down for the quarter 36% year-over-year and for the full year 40%. And so from a just broad transient perspective, while we do think leisure probably outpaced business this past year, broadly the industry is significantly down and there is pent-up demand. Quantifying the leisure component, leisure have been first to travel. They have been eager to travel. We seem to an indication, even with Presidents' Day recently that there is a desire to get out. I think your more traditional warmer summer leisure months, that's a good indicator that there's some pent-up demand there. Quantifying it is a little tricky because we don't have perfect visibility into why people travel and broadly we have a mix of demand generators in our markets. And so even looking, as we have historically at weekday versus weekend patterns, it get a little tricky with people being able to work remotely and reasons for travel blending.

Sure. Yes. Just curious how you guys thought about that. Last one is, I know obviously it just happened, but the unfortunate passing of Arne. Any reads or is there anything you might be concerned about risks or opportunities in terms of how you negotiate in terms of your strategy, how you look at your brand committees you are on, brand proliferation supply, brand standards, anything that you maybe are thinking about that would have implications vis-à-vis your relationship with Marriott going forward?

As I highlighted in my earlier remarks, I think personally I had and I know a number of people within our organization had good relationships with Arne directly. We are going to miss him tremendously. That said, Marriott is an incredibly strong organization with a wealth of really talented and experienced people. We have worked with both Stephanie and Tony for many, many years now and each of them brings kind of a unique perspective to leadership at Marriott, with Stephanie having tremendous amount of experience on the customer-facing side and Tony, obviously, having a wealth of experience on the development side. I think, actually, they are very well paired for leadership. And that's not mentioning even the dozens and dozens is probably a smaller number than the number actually of individuals within Marriott that we have very strong relationships with that we have developed over a decade. So I think we see Marriott being in good hands. And in terms of our ability to interact with the company, I don't think we see any significant change.

Okay. Thanks guys.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Tyler Batory with Janney Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats to the team on successfully navigating such a difficult year. The commentary thus far has been very helpful and very positive. So just a couple of follow-up questions on my end. And I wanted to go back to some of the commentary on February and real-time trends, if I could. Just interested if you could provide a little more color on what's driving the sequential improvement February versus January, December? How much of that is seasonality? How much of that is incremental demand or new demand versus what you saw at the tail end of 2020? And then are you starting to see the booking window extend at all as more demand is coming in?

Good morning Tyler. The change in the booking trend, I think it's still a short window. We still don't have a ton of visibility. The improvement in February, we believe is an increase relative to previous month's seasonality. We typically begin to see occupancy and rate pickup even from January and January from December in normal healthy years. And we are seeing that seasonality play out some here. Still obviously at depressed levels due to COVID but starting to see that increase. So we are happy that while we did start to see seasonality take hold coming off of October and November and December, we are starting to rebuild. The trends that might be on the margin different that we are encouraged by are related to forward-looking bookings. And it's a small number because we don't have a lot on the books as we sort of move into the month. But what is picking up is small business, regional sort of corporate account travel. And so we are seeing more of that on the books for the next couple of months. Again, small numbers, but an improvement specifically, which at this time of the year we would expect. Business slows down in November and December with the holidays and then going into January and February, you start to see business transient pick up in normal times. We are starting to see a little bit of that. It's just not your large corporate accounts. It seems to be more local regional accounts which is what we would have expected.

Great. And then just as a follow-up, can you talk a little bit about CapEx spending in 2021? Your expectations in terms of how much you are going to spend? And what exactly you are going to be spending the money on?

Yes. And that's a good question. Liz provided guidance in her remarks that it would be in and around, well, $30 million or less is our expectation for this year. But roughly half of that would be spent on specific projects, general maintenance and/or technology or brand initiatives. And then the other half, the expectation would be spent on full cycle renovations. We have had an opportunity over the past year to do a deep dive on our entire portfolio and I think to really meaningfully assess the needs of our individual assets and to develop what I think is a very robust plan around renovations and renovation cycles on a go-forward basis. And I think what you can expect over the next several years is consistent with what we have been doing in the past. And that's focusing our spend around prioritizing assets where we feel we can get the best return on our investment, improving our market positioning through the renovations. And then I think consistent with past practice, ensuring that the money that we spend on individual assets is focused around those elements of the assets that are likely to have the greatest guest impact.

Okay. Very helpful. That's all for me. Thank you.

Thank you.

[Operator instructions] Our next question is from Floris Van Dijkum with Compass Point. Please proceed with your question.

Hi guys. Thanks for taking the question. Justin, I want to ask you a little bit more on capital allocation. I mean it's one of the key ways how you create value for your shareholders. And as you think about deploying capital, maybe walk us through your thinking on whether to go for resort hotels versus your small metro versus your suburban, which is bulk of your portfolio today? And also how you think about some of the government initiatives such as the minimum wage or the increased minimum wage? How that impacts your thinking on certain locales?

Two very good questions. So to clarify for those who might be listening who might think differently, I am assuming that when you speak of resort, you are speaking of resort market, recognizing that our investment thesis around investing in select-service hotels remains unchanged.

Of course.

That being said, I think our broad thinking has remained unchanged and that's that our expectation is as we pursue acquisition opportunities, we will continue to look to diversify the portfolio, provide an exposure to a number of different demand generators and ensuring that we have exposure to a variety of different market types. What you saw or what you have seen over the past several years is that we have specifically targeted markets where there's strong leisure demand, certainly not exclusively, but that's led to acquisitions like the acquisition of the hotel that we now own in Portland Maine, where a significant driver for total operating performance of that hotel is summer leisure travel. You will continue to see us do that selectively, but not exclusively. And I think it's fair to assume that we will look for opportunities in high-density suburban markets, expanding our exposure there. And at the appropriate time, we will look for opportunities in urban markets again as well. My thinking is that urban markets will underperform and lag in the recovery, broadly speaking, especially some of the large urban markets and that pricing may take a little bit of time to adjust to the discrepancy. But we certainly haven't changed our thinking around wanting exposure to those markets as well. In terms of minimum wage, when we assess acquisition opportunities, we are always looking at the long term potential for cash flow production from those assets. I think there's a tendency, sometimes from an investor perspective, to think more of topline and RevPAR performance, than that in combination with potential margins from those markets. What we have done incredibly well historically is matching the topline and bottomline profile of markets in order to maximize margins for our hotels, ultimately generating stronger cash flows for our investors. I think looking across our markets, we were seeing pressure on wages before the downturn. And in most cases, we are paying at or above the minimum wage that's being proposed at $15. Certainly, our hope would be that as an increase in minimum wage gets rolled out, there would be some regional consideration for how that might occur. But we are not banking on it at this point and taking into consideration wages where they currently are and where they might be as we look at potential acquisitions.

Thanks. And maybe if I can have one follow-up on that as well. As you think about deploying capital, obviously you have a number of different brands largely in the upscale and upper mid-scale segment. As you think about putting more capital to work, are there specific brands that you are targeting? Are you targeting the brands that you already have exposure to? Or are you thinking about maybe adding onto maybe some of your Embassy suite exposure because of the increased ability to generate EBITDA per hotel relative to some of your other brands in your portfolio?

A good question. I think broadly speaking, we continue to be exclusively focused on Hilton, Marriott and Hyatt branded select-service hotels. We consider Embassy a select-service hotel, though technically it's categorized as upper upscale. And we do that just based on the operating model being similar to the operating model at our other select-service hotels. I think we love Embassy as a brand. We don't love it more than we love the other select-service brands within those larger brand portfolios. And I think we will look in market to own the best asset within the broader brand family. So yes, I think while the individual brand is obviously important, so too is the quality of the individual product and the location within the market. And we will take all of those into consideration as we look at future acquisitions.

Thanks Justin.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Lukas Hartwich with Green Street. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Just one left for me. So asset values seem to be holding up better than initially feared just a few months ago. Would you actually think that supply could come back quicker than we previously thought as well? So I was just hoping you could provide an update of what you think the replacement cost is for the current portfolio on a per key basis? And then just maybe talk about the potential re-ramp of supply growth.

A good question. Ultimately and I think sometimes we forget this, but investors invest in real estate, generally speaking to get a cash return on their investment. And so while it's true that we haven't seen material shifts in pricing or existing assets, I am not confident that that alone is sufficient to alter the thinking of individual developers. Most developers develop with the expectation that they may need to hold for some period of time. And absent a compelling IRR for investments, there will still be a governor on development, if only a governor provided by lenders who will be specifically looking at the cash flow potential for individual investment. As we look at construction costs, the information we have is a little bit noisy on that front. We do think that there's likely to be an adjustment to construction costs over time. Though that too has been less material than what we expected coming into this. And part of it, there's noise in the system right now. I highlighted the fact that there's an imbalance in terms of fewer assets on the market and a lot of interested buyers impacting pricing. But equally relevant is the fact that there has been significant government aid provided to a large number of owner-operators in this space and that banks have been reasonably flexible in the near term. A shift in any of those things could change the dynamics. And as I highlighted in response to one of the earlier questions I received, we intend to be opportunistic and act in ways that take advantage of the changing market dynamics.

And did you have an estimate for the replacement cost of the current portfolio?

It's clever, Lukas, because we haven't published one of those before. I think at this point, to leverage my earlier response, we don't see a change in replacement value for our portfolio as a result of the current pandemic. That may change over time. But as we look at transactions that we are contemplating or that we have executed against as a seller and underwriting new asset acquisition opportunities, cap rates on 2019 numbers are relatively close to where they were before. And obviously, there are discrepancies, depending on the quality of the portfolio. But for portfolios or individual assets of similar quality to the quality that we own, that pricing is in the neighborhood to where it would have been pre-pandemic today.

Got it. Thank you.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Good morning everyone. I apologize if this has been addressed. Can you talk about how brand costs may be reduced the next few years versus prior levels, if anything has been kind of like permanently put in writing? And just how these savings are bucketed?

Sure. I think as we look at brand costs overall, certainly franchise and/or management fees paid to the brands have come down materially year-over-year, but in proportionate to the decline in rate and occupancy, which they are tied to. I think our expectation is that the percentage that we had coming in, in terms of the fee as a percentage of revenue that we had coming into this is likely to stay constant coming out of it. And where we see greater savings on the brand side is around allocations, given that both, well, all of the major brands that we operate with have reduced their corporate overhead and certain services that they provided in the past that they charge for. And in most cases, we have replaced those services either with in-house services or outsourced services at lower price points. So I think between that and the adjustments that we have seen in the near term and are likely to see over the longer term in terms of brand-mandated services and amenities and potentially even the cost of renovations over time, those are the areas where we anticipate seeing the greatest savings.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And our next question is from Michael Bellisario with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning everyone.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Two questions for me. First on the asset sale that you guys completed in December in California. Can you provide some details around that process and pricing metrics? And then also any shift in your view that maybe or the likelihood that a smaller portfolio sale or sales could occur versus your continued one-off disposition strategy?

Sure. The Tulare asset was one that we had contemplated selling pre-onset of the pandemic and had explored the opportunity with a variety of brokers and even begun having conversations with some potential buyers. In terms of pricing, on 2019 numbers, the pricing equates to a sub 9% cap on 2019 numbers pre-PIP and just above an 8% cap on 2019 numbers rather, including the PIP. So in line with what we would have expected for that particular asset and had contemplated as we interacted with brokers before. The buyer for that asset is a local owner-operator. And so distinct from the Charlotte asset that we have under contract at an even lower cap rate, but where the buyer intends to repurpose the building for multifamily. Remind me the second part of the question. In terms of portfolio? As we look now, we are seeing greater interest in portfolios. Really, quite frankly, private equity who raised, a number of the private equity groups who raised the tremendous amount of money early anticipating that there would be a large number of distressed assets that would come to market are looking now to deploy those funds. And I think we are having more interesting conversations with groups that would be interested in small portfolios than we were three, six months ago. And I think that their interest paired with some loosening in the debt markets, I think bodes well for smaller portfolio sales as we move through the year. And I should highlight the fact that again looking across our portfolio, the bulk of our assets individually are cash flow positive at the asset level which, as these groups are looking to invest, simplifies somewhat the math that they have to work through in order to pursue an acquisition.

Right. Understood. And then just back to a prior question on CapEx, the $25 million to $30 million range. I guess maybe why are you spending so little CapEx? And maybe what does that do to your relative market share on a go-forward basis? And I guess really the question is, why aren't you spending more when disruption would be lower and your competitors might not be as well-capitalized and might not be spending the money?

That's a super good question. I think I highlighted earlier in my remarks, the primary reasons that we don't need to right now. And I think what you have seen from us throughout the cycle is that we have been cautious and prudent in the deployment of capital to ensure that we do so in a way that that creates a clear trajectory towards our ultimate profitability. I think in the near term, while we are focused on a lot of things, the bulk of our focus is on improving operations in ways that enable us to exit the waiver period and gain even greater flexibility around how we allocate capital. Because we came into the pandemic with a very well-maintained relatively young portfolio and because some of our assets have run lower occupancies during the pandemic, we are in a position to manage our capital expenditures in ways that we think preserve capital and put us in a better position near term to gain greater flexibility. Over time, I think it's reasonable to expect that we would get back to more normal levels. And if we were to see a more significant increase or improvement in performance, we may revisit that as we move through the year. But I highlighted, we have been intently focused around ensuring that our hotels are well maintained, which we think will lower the long term capital expenditures that we will have. And we have had constructive conversations with the brands around scope of future renovations which, I think, will put us in a position to do more with less, focusing really our attention around those items within the hotel that have the greatest guest impact.

And it's worth noting that when we renovate hotels, we typically keep our hotels open and can do them with relatively little displacement, timing them with seasonality. And so I think we will continue to be able to optimally time them. And I don't know that we are going to miss a window to minimize displacement or disruption.

Got it. Understood. Thank you.

Thank you.

And we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session and I will now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Justin Knight, for closing remarks.

Thank you. I really appreciate you being with us on this call today. I know a lot of you have a busy day. There are a number of companies reporting. We look forward to talking to all of you again in the not-too-distant future. And as always, I hope that as you have an opportunity to travel, you will take the opportunity to stay with us at one of our hotels. Have a great one.

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