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Ampco-Pittsburgh Corporation (AP)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Alex, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q4 2015 earnings conference call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Masha Trainor, Vice President and General Counsel. You may begin your conference.

Maria Trainor

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call. With me today are John Stanik, our Chief Executive Officer; and Dee Ann Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Before we begin, I need to make the following reminder regarding forward-looking information. Statements or comments made on this call may be forward-looking and may include financial projections or other statements of the corporation's plans, objectives, expectations or intention. The corporation's actual results may differ significantly from those projected or suggested in any forward-looking statement, due to a variety of factors including those discussed in the corporation's Form 10-K. We do not undertake any obligation to update or otherwise release publicly any revision to our forward-looking statements. I will now turn this call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Dee Ann Johnson.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Thank you, Masha. Good morning, everyone. Sales for the fourth quarter of 2015 were $55 million versus $75 million for the fourth quarter of 2014, a decrease of almost $20 million or 26%. The decrease is primarily attributable to our Forged and Cast Engineered Products Group. Gross profit as a percentage of net sales was 14.7% for the fourth quarter of 2015 versus 19.7% for the fourth quarter of 2014. The decrease is due to lower production levels resulting in an under absorption of fixed cost and lower margins. Selling and administrative expenses were $11.9 million for the fourth quarter of 2015 in comparison to $10 million for the fourth quarter of 2014, an increase of almost $2 million. The increase is primarily attributable to acquisition-related transaction cost of $3 million, offset by lower selling cost, including commissions, driven primarily by the decrease in sales. Additionally, the fourth quarter of the prior year includes higher provisions for potential bad debts associated with an international customer of approximately $750,000. During the current year quarter we received cash proceed of $14 million from an insurance carrier and rehabilitation. By comparison, in the fourth quarter of the prior year, the corporation recorded a charge of $4.5 million, which represented the net expense associated with extending the estimated cost of pending and future asbestos claims, net of any additional insurance recoveries for an additional two years, from 2022 to 2024. Both amounts are reflected as charge/credit for asbestos litigation in our fourth quarter press release. Our statutory federal income tax rate is 35%. Our effective income tax rate for the fourth quarter of 2015 approximated 51.2%. The increase is principally due to the acquisition-related transaction cost incurred in the fourth quarter of this year, which are not-deductible for tax purposes. Instead, such cost are…

John Stanik

Analyst

Good morning. The fourth quarter of 2015 was another difficult quarter for the company, as depressed market conditions for Union Electric Steel continued. Sales were down 26% year-over-year, as new orders were light and UES customers delayed several booked orders. As a result of the light volume, fixed cost absorption was low in the fourth quarter. Low fixed cost absorption also had an adverse impact on gross margin for Q4, which was down 500 basis points year-over-year. Price compression also contributed to the decline in gross margin, as competitors continued to drop price in order to take share. Low revenue and low margin are very, very difficult combination to deal with. I should also mention that M&A expenses for the Akers acquisition and U.K. severance expenses added approximately $3 million of cost to SG&A. The two bright spots for the quarter were the continued solid performance of the Air and Liquid Process segments and the asbestos insurance recovery, Dee Ann mentioned, equaling $14 million. For the year, conditions in the steel industry and consequently UES's performance deteriorated further with each passing quarter. During the third and fourth quarters, several rolling mills were idled in the western part of the world, thus shrinking the size of the market for rolls. Additionally, in Q4, a few of our customers notified us that they were extending payment terms, which we believe will stress our networking capital values in the coming months. Air and Liquid Processing was solid throughout the year. And I'm pleased to report that our air handling business showed significant financial performance. However, revenue overall declined for this segment, as spending by the coal-fired power plants, a major market segment for us, was down dramatically throughout 2015 as compared to 2014. For 2015, Ampco-Pittsburgh reported SG&A of roughly $40 million, an…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Scott Blumenthal of Emerald Advisors.

Scott Blumenthal

Analyst

Dee Ann, can you maybe give us an idea as to the price mix and volume for Q4 in the forged and cast roll segment?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Yes. I could. I'd like to do it for the year. I have that information handy. And it's relatively the same here in the latter part of the year. But the lower volume of shipments impacted our operating results by about $4.8 million for the year. And our weaker margins and under recovery of cost as a result of the lower production levels further affected earnings by roughly $7.2 million.

John Stanik

Analyst

It's about a $12 million hit overall.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Right. And we would have experienced that somewhat the last year, but not to the same magnitude.

Scott Blumenthal

Analyst

And you've mentioned also in your prepared remarks, Dee Ann, some delays in [ph] post-installments and some Q4 shipments. Do you expect to pick those up in Q1 or are those kind of on indefinite hold, what's the outlook there?

John Stanik

Analyst

Scott, I'll answer that question. I think that some will be recovered late in the first quarter. Certainly didn't happened in January, but some have been delayed even further. We expect to get them all. We expect that those customers will honor those shipments. There weren't any significant number of them that were -- for any of these closed rolling mills that I referred to in comments. So yes, we think we'll get them peppered in probably by the end of the first half of the year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of [ph] Nick Mills of Gabelli Company.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I was wondering if you could give more color around the tariff announcement yesterday in terms of how does that affect the outlook for your business and your customers' businesses? And if you think it will meaningfully change the bands of U.S. production imports?

John Stanik

Analyst

Yes, so I think it will. I think that if you consider the Chinese tariff alone. And let's face it; speaking candidly here, the volume of shipments at a very, very low price from China has been a major problem, not only in the U.S., but in the entire western half of the world. 266% is, if not the maximum, it has to be very close to the maximum award. It should make it very, very difficult for imports to be competitive. Furthermore, I think that the antidumping program, the tariffs that are collected, as it used to be when I was at Calgon. Those tariffs are distributed to the petitioners. So not only should there be a positive impact from the fact that there will be less dumped product being sold into the United States, there should also be a sizable amount of cash benefit that will be provided to the petitioners at sometime in the future. But what effect will that have for us? Well, I think it will be a trickle down effect. I think that it will take a little bit of time. But I think that, I would expect, I have no way of knowing this, but I would expect that our customers will be increasing prices dramatically, and probably bringing capacity on stream increasing their absorption of fixed costs, so they should be getting more profitable. That will put less stress on their purchasing activities, and hopefully in a short period of time, it will allow their supply chain people, people such as, an opportunity to increase our price. We're certainly going to be monitoring the market very, very closely and be looking for and pressing for price increases in 2016.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Blumenthal of Emerald Advisers.

Scott Blumenthal

Analyst

Dee Ann, you're going to carry about $30 million of debt related to the acquisition that closed this morning, is that correct? And if so, any idea, can you disclose what the interest rate?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

The final debt value will actually be closer to $26 million, and I do believe we have disclosed the interest rate, which is 6.5%.

John Stanik

Analyst

The deal moved a little bit, which is customary for deals, with respect to, let's call it, toing-and-froing on a net working capital peg. But the initial $30 million that was paid or will be paid today will be cash, so there will be no debt. This keeps us in a healthy cash position that I was referring to in previous calls. The stock, of course, will be issued immediately, or if it hasn't been issued -- it has been, Masha tells me, it has been. So the stock is out there. That leaves, as Dee answered, roughly at $26 million note as opposed to a $30 million note at 6.5% interest compounded annually, that will be collected in 2019, so roughly a $50 million upfront hit to company for the benefit of having this great opportunity.

Scott Blumenthal

Analyst

And then my last question is, and I'm sure everybody out there is very curious, if you could talk about utilization at Union Electric and also at Akers, particularly since you seem to having out a fair amount of capacity in rolls in Western Pennsylvania?

John Stanik

Analyst

We do. That's a good comment. For those of you who don't know one of the plants that we have acquired with the deal is located in Western Pennsylvania. It's a facility that used to be referred to as National Roll, it's in Avonmore. It is a cast roll specialty manufacturing plant, whereas you probably remember that all of our American assets are forged roll. So for the first time in the company's history, it will have both forged and cast roll manufacturing capability in the United States. We will also for the first time in the company's history -- no, maybe not in the first time in history, because we had a Belgium facility, but we're back to making forged and cast rolls in Europe. Regarding the really important question about capacity, as you probably remember, we did not buy the French facilities from Akers. We did not buy the Belgium facility. We thought that we would not be able to maintain a high-enough operating capacity with those facilities, so we chose to not purchase them. We made this acquisition -- in our very early discussions with Altor, the seller, we said, we will only make this acquisition if our operating utilization will be very high. And we plan to keep that promise. We can't continue to have this fixed cost absorption problem. So we're going to be aggressive in terms of keeping our utilization high. At this point, however, we need to get new orders booked larger than revenue sold. We haven't managed to do that, although we had a good February in bookings. So I'm hoping with the combination of everything we're doing, with having more products now, with being in every geography, with having what we believe the right assets in the right place, that we're going to be able to get our utilization, at some point, hopefully in 2016, into the high-80s or maybe 90% level. That was the internal goal we set for ourselves. We're not there yet. But we expect to get there. And if we do, we will no longer talk about fixed cost absorption problems and our margins will automatically go up.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Albert Sebastian from Prospect Advisors.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

Just a few items. Can you give us the cash working capital OPEB and asbestos liability at yearend?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Yes, our asbestos liability at the end of 2015 was approximately $170 million and that compares to the asbestos-related insurance receivables that we have on the books at the same point in time of roughly $125 million. So if you do the math that's a gap or what we view as our responsibility to be paid out over a number of years of roughly $45 million.

John Stanik

Analyst

Yes. There was no change in the net liability, because the $14 million was a cash payment as opposed to a future insurance coverage. So go on with the others. There was a change in the pension in OPEB significantly.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

In response to your working capital question, and I'll get back to you in the form of a trade working capital, combination of receivables, inventories, and accounts payable at the end of December was roughly $90 million. And that compared to about the same at the end of last year. Just a slight deterioration, that is relatively comparable.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

And you said the cash was $95 million?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Our cash, yes, was $95 million.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

And then the pro forma shares outstanding after the issuance for the Akers acquisition?

John Stanik

Analyst

Roughly 12.1.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

12.1.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

And just can you give us a little bit more granularity on the customers that requested in extension of payment. Obviously, I don't expect you to give any names, but can you just give us sort of the nature of those?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

It's a primarily in our forged and cast rolls group. As they're experiencing a slowdown in their production levels, they're taking a look at a way to preserve their cash. So they've gone to us and asked for an extension of payments terms. Year-over-year, typical --f

John Stanik

Analyst

Actually, they didn't ask.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

Right, yes.

John Stanik

Analyst

Let me put it in a different way, not to interrupt Dee Ann, she is giving you a correct answer. But it was the larger guys, the large steel makers and it was throughout the western and half of the world. So as is usually the case, when one or more does this, it becomes a trend. And we're talking about an extension that in some cases is 60 days worse than normal circumstances, and 30 days worse than where we were a year ago, that's significant.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

And just finally, when do you expect the 10-K to be out?

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

In another week or so, it will be filled when it's due, roughly by March 15. You had one other question, and if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to answer. You had asked what the outstanding liability was for our OPEB plans.

Albert Sebastian

Analyst

Correct.

Dee Ann Johnson

Analyst

And that is roughly $8 million to slightly north of $8 million at the end of the year. That came down by roughly 33% from the prior year. At the end of last year, it was $14 million. We were able to institute some planned amendments during the year, which provided a savings of roughly $4.5 million.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters. End of Q&A

John Stanik

Analyst

Market conditions continue to be rough obviously. However, I know we are making progress. Our strategy is in place, it's being executed, and management scrutinizes the progress on a very rapid and regular basis. The Akers acquisition is now behind us. We're making moves already today in the first day. And integration should resolve in accretion soon. There is a lot of work to do, but we intend to do it all, and to do it all, as quickly as possible. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.