Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the ANGI Homeservices reports Q1 2020 results conference call. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Glenn Schiffman, Chief Financial Officer of IAC. Please go ahead sir.
Angi Inc. (ANGI)
Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Sat, May 9, 2020
$7.45
-1.13%
Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the ANGI Homeservices reports Q1 2020 results conference call. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Glenn Schiffman, Chief Financial Officer of IAC. Please go ahead sir.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone and hope you all are safe. Glenn Schiffman here and welcome to the ANGI Homeservices First Quarter Earnings Call. Joining me today is Joey Levin, Chairman of ANGI Homeservices and CEO of IAC; and Brandon Ridenour, CEO of ANGI Homeservices. Joey and I will also address any questions you may have on IAC's first quarter results. Similar to last quarter, supplemental to our quarterly earnings releases, IAC has also published its quarterly shareholder letter. We will not be reading the shareholder letter on this call. It is currently available on the Investor Relations section of our website. I will shortly turn the call over to Joey to make a few brief introductory remarks, and then we will open it up to Q&A. Before we get to that, I'd like to remind you that during this call, we may discuss our outlook and future performance. These forward-looking statements typically may be preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate, or similar such statements. These forward-looking views are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today. Some of these risks have been set forth in both IAC and ANGI Homeservices' first quarter press releases and our reports filed with the SEC. We'll also discuss certain non-GAAP measures, which as a reminder include adjusted EBITDA, which we will refer to today as EBITDA for simplicity during the call. I'll also refer you to our press releases the IAC shareholder letter and again to the Investor Relations section of our website for all comparable GAAP measures and full reconciliations for all material non-GAAP measures. Now, let's jump right into. Joey?
Joey Levin
Management
Thanks, Glenn. Welcome everybody. Glenn and I are sitting here in New York City six feet apart. We've got Mr. Ridenour on video in Colorado, where we're exchanging hand signals to manage the call. But other than that the earnings ritual is not much different. We always do this with everybody remote, and so hopefully that goes smoothly today. Normally, I'd like to thank our employees in the quarter when we're doing great work and getting good results. I actually want to thank a different group today, which is our employees have the benefit right now of working from home, with only minor inconveniences. And the only reason, we're all able to operate from the safety of our own homes is, because there's a lot of people and a lot of other companies, who are putting themselves in harm's way doing the – they're doing the work on the frontlines. And I just want to say that on behalf of all 9,000 IAC employees we're incredibly grateful to that group of people for making what we do and a lot of other people do possible. Back to IAC. The -- we're really pleased with how the quarter turned out, given the overall environment. And we're cautiously optimistic on where things go from here. We have a meeting with the CEOs every Monday afternoon, which we've been doing since we started working from home and sheltering in place. And it's really interesting to see the tone of the business has evolved over that with the first couple of weeks was a little bit of confusion and the next few weeks were a little bit of disappointment and the two weeks after that it seems like a lot of optimism among our businesses. And it's tougher being – to be a part of IAC right now, where we can see the benefit of a multi-business business and be able to communicate with each other on what's going on and how we're managing through changes in the business. And it's great to see how our leadership is handling that. So we've posted all the numbers. You've got all the numbers. You could see the results. You've seen the – our numbers now through April and I'm sure that raises some questions, which I'll turn it to the operator to get the first question, which we can now start answering. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from John Blackledge with Cowen.
John Blackledge
Analyst
Thanks for question. And hope everyone is doing all right. Broadly for Joey, Glenn and Brandon, the April trending data across many of the businesses looks better than expected. Just given the uncertainty around the pandemic, it would be really helpful if you could walk through kind of the puts and takes on the trajectories for each business as we head through 2Q and into the second half 2020. Thank you.
Joey Levin
Management
Sure, John. Let's – maybe I'll just look at what the table is we published in the letter and walk you through that. Match, I guess hopefully a lot of you heard the call yesterday with Shar and Gary, where I thought they did an excellent job talking about Match and what's happening and what the outlook looks like. But you can see business is still growing and we expect that business to continue to grow. And some of the dynamics inside of Match are pretty interesting. I think there's – seeing the female engagement on that platform grow so nicely. Some of the trends that you see in that business kind of underlying the financial metrics are things that we've really tried hard with product over many years to get going. And certainly, no one would ever wish this pandemic on anybody, but one silver lining there, Match is seeing some of those metrics that really can support the business and the product experience start to move in the right direction, notwithstanding some changes in first-time subs and things like that. So we're optimistic about Match and the future there, although it won't likely be part of IAC much longer. At ANGI, it's been really interesting to watch. We saw demand come down in the second half of March and the beginning of April. And then we've seen a lot of that demand come back since then. We don't know, if that's permanent. We don't know, if a bunch of pent-up demand that didn't come through, or jobs that didn't come through in March, and early April as people were sheltering in place, suddenly came through later in April and start of May. It's possibly some of that. It's possibly that the weather improved at the same time as…
Glenn Schiffman
Management
And John I'll go into a little more detail to help you navigate through the year, and look given the uncertainty the dispersion of outcomes in financial performance is going to be pretty wide this year. So I caution everyone not to run rate the March or April performance. Obviously, we don't know the length of the quarantine. We don't know consumer behavior thereafter, and we don't know the depth of or the length of the recession that we expect to come in the back half of the year. But jumping into some of the details to help you just a couple of flash points here, ANGI Homeservices, you see demand down in April 8% for service requests, 11% for monetized transactions. We expect demand to be down all year. We do expect our ability to monetize that demand to be up. And you saw a little bit of that in March, you saw a little bit of that in April where revenue per monetized transaction in the first quarter was up 17%. And where those lines cross that demand down and our ability to monetize that demand, where those lines cross will determine if we grow for the year. And we have scenarios obviously where we're growing and we have scenarios where we're not growing in that business. As Brandon will talk about among the certain things, we know in that business is we'll continue to innovate and we think we'll continue to take share. As you think about EBITDA for the business, we came into the year thinking we're going to create incremental margin, but that margin was going to be eaten up by that $30 million to $50 million of discretionary investments that we are planning on making. We still are planning on making and are currently…
John Blackledge
Analyst
Thank you.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Hi, operator, next question. Hope all answers won't be as long as that one.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Brad Erickson with Needham & Company.
Brad Erickson
Analyst · Needham & Company.
Hi, guys. Thanks. Just a couple. One for ANGI, maybe just talk about what you're seeing ROI-wise at this stage in the performance marketing channels in particular and just kind of how you balance things between, what I guess, is a slight drop in demand relative to what I think is probably been a less competitive advertising environment. And then I have a follow-up.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · Needham & Company.
Sure. This is Brandon. Thanks for the questions. We have seen costs come down across -- as you guys are all aware across just about every channel. And that's been to our benefit. I think we find ourselves in a very fortunate position as really the only marketplace at scale focused solely on home services. We are -- we have several thousand employees that wake up every single day with a singular focus which is how do we improve the experience for homeowners and provide best-in-class tools for small businesses to reach those homeowners. And we saw as you can imagine a stress test of our business models unlike anything that we would have ever wanted to see but nevertheless got to see the results. And as demand declined sharply in the back half of March, we saw a couple of things. One, obviously, directly to your question we saw costs come down across nearly every marketing channel that we use to acquire both service providers and homeowners. But we also saw the resiliency of our business model at Angie's List which was only modestly affected. And then in HomeAdvisor and in our marketplace segment more broadly, of course, we do see the immediate effect of lower transactions. But we saw dramatic engagement from service providers both those that already use our platform who engaged more but also the attraction and entrance of new service providers who are coming for the benefits of what we believe is the -- far and away the best ROI toolset to reach homeowners that exists today. April, for us, was an incredibly strong month from an SP sales standpoint. We were able to bring on more SPs in April than we ever have in the history of the company while also seeing improvements in engagement from the SPs that were already part of our network. That served to substantially cushion the dramatic declines in demand. From an overall ROI perspective, the landscape is certainly favorable at the moment. And we haven't really seen that change even though as you can see from our April results we have seen a pretty strong recovery in overall consumer demand. We're still seeing relatively favorable dynamics from an ad rate standpoint.
Brad Erickson
Analyst · Needham & Company.
Got it. That's great. And then just any quick update on fixed price any milestones you can share? And just talk about any changes or maybe accelerated expansion on the rollout of that as a function of COVID. Thanks.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · Needham & Company.
Yes. So, there are two things with fixed price; first, we are still investing as we said we would and are on a pace that we plan to be on. Without a doubt when you reduce the top of the funnel 40% or 50% that's going to have an impact. But that proved relatively temporary. And in April, we are back on track and saw the biggest weeks in the history of fixed price from a bookings and a revenue perspective. So, we're very happy with the trajectory and growth that we're seeing there which is in line or maybe a bit ahead of our expectations. I think perhaps more importantly, we have expanded into a number of different project categories where the projects are higher value and more complex. And what we've been able to prove out with certainty is that there is demand from a consumer and a homeowner standpoint and willingness to engage with and purchase these projects digitally. And obviously that's the starting point. You have to know that there's a market for these things and we've been able to prove that out and are very certain that we can scale a business in these complex high-value projects. Our work ahead of us here is to master, if you will the fulfillment and logistics around actually completing these projects. They are more complex. And by virtue of that there's more work to be done to be able to do this at scale in every market in every one of the 400 markets we serve nationwide. So, those are will continue to be our focus for the remainder of the year which is to scale those continue to scale and grow those project types that we launched last year, but meaningfully master fulfillment for all of these new higher-value project types that we've launched this year. I think just to draw everybody's attention back to the values we're talking about, I think the initial set of categories we launched had a TAM of something like $5 billion, while the next set is in the $25 billion plus range. So we're unlocking a tremendous amount of additional potential GMV by expanding to these new categories and getting the fulfillment right is both important from a financial performance standpoint, but also quite clearly in terms of satisfying customers that are willing to make those purchases.
Brad Erickson
Analyst · Needham & Company.
Great. Thanks.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Cory Carpenter with JPMorgan.
Cory Carpenter
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Great. Thanks for the questions. Brandon, I was hoping you could provide some more color on the performance across different categories and geographies in the quarter in April. And then maybe a follow-up to the marketing question, just how you think about the right level of spend as the business starts to recover? Thank you.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Yes. That's a great question. In mid-March and I said this before, the day they canceled the NBA season or suspended the season, the next day sort of the bottom fell out nationwide in effectively every market and every category. I think people were just in shock. That lasted for a couple of weeks and then we began to see a very -- we began to see a very aggressive, essentially V-shaped recovery in demand even as lockdowns were continuing to spread across the country which I think is interesting. As you would anticipate, there's a big difference between projects that happen indoors, and projects that happen outside, and projects that you have to do versus projects that are discretionary. And what I can tell you is that, where we're seeing the biggest impact is in indoor discretionary projects. These are things like cleaning services or remodeling. Everything else, whether it's a non-discretionary service that's indoors or whether it's any type of outdoor project, we've seen a very strong recovery. All of these actually are recovering quite well, but certainly indoor discretionary, we continue to see hesitancy amongst consumers to take on some of those projects. So if there's an area where we continue to see some drag, it's there. Quite frankly, we're seeing a couple of things that are really interesting. First, we've seen -- in terms of the mix of customers coming to our site, we've seen since the beginning of -- or sometime in February we've seen a pretty significant shift in terms of mix, toward new customers that we've never seen come to our marketplace before. And we have a 20-year history, so we have served over that 20 years a great deal of households. But we are seeing more people that are completely new to…
Cory Carpenter
Analyst · JPMorgan.
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from Kunal Madhukar with Deutsche Bank.
Kunal Madhukar
Analyst · Deutsche Bank.
Hi. Thanks for taking the question. A bigger picture question. In terms of looking at the portfolio that you have sorry, looking at the bigger portfolio you have and how you intend to manage it for the long-term, how should investors kind of look at milestones that you set? How do we measure you against those milestones? Well -- just trying to understand the portfolio strategy going forward and how one should kind of evaluate things on a time-to-time basis? Thanks.
Joey Levin
Management
Thanks, Kunal. It's a great question. The -- we still have to look at IAC or we still look at IAC in pieces, not in the sort of one aggregate revenue or one aggregate earnings. And I think that will remain true post separation from Match. So we really do have to answer that question then in the pieces. And take ANGI Homeservices. I mean, ANGI is we still think in the very earliest stages of its market penetration in a very large market. The things that we're doing in product right now look like they have the potential to us to unlock a lot more of that market and bring changed consumer behavior in a way where it becomes much more naturally for consumers and -- becomes much more natural sorry for consumers and service professionals to transact online to get jobs done. That is a -- that's what we're looking for in ANGI Homeservices. Of course, that comes through in increased demand, increased supply and ultimately increased revenue in that business. But that's what we're looking for in that business. And we would be disappointed, if we can't build the business multiples bigger than it is right now, by executing against some of the things that we've already discussed in our product pipeline. Vimeo similar story. I think meaningfully helped in the last couple of months. But we believe every business needs Vimeo and we'll -- we look at subscribers and growth bookings and ultimately both of those things flow to revenue as the drivers of that. And again if it's not multiples bigger than it is right now, I believe in Vimeo we will -- we're on good trajectory. We need to continue that trajectory. We need to continue to innovate in product there. We need to…
Kunal Madhukar
Analyst · Deutsche Bank.
Thanks, Joey.
Joey Levin
Management
All right. Operator, next question, please.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer.
Jason Helfstein
Analyst · Oppenheimer.
Thanks. Two questions. One, I just want to dig a little more into ANGI and then I'll follow up on Care. So, down 2% in April is very impressive, given COVID has scared people from having professionals in their house. And then, I want to focus to the extent that a-third of your GMV is coming from discretionary projects and I imagine people are delaying that, what does that mean for the other two-thirds that we'll call necessary projects? I mean, did that actually grow? If you could, kind of, almost like cohort those two and how you're thinking about that. And then the second question, how does Care.com avoid liability during COVID? Thanks.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · Oppenheimer.
Yes. Thanks, Jason, for the question. Two-thirds is nondiscretionary as we've always said, but a big chunk of the discretionary is also outside. And people seem very, very comfortable getting the outdoors work done. So when you boil that all down, only the indoor nondiscretionary has been impacted. And it has been impacted. We are seeing it recover some, but not back to where it was previously. I think the short answer to your question is, we entered April at a major deficit and we exit with some strength. Overall, as Joey said earlier, there's a lot of uncertainty around the nature of that strength. You can postulate that it is delayed demand or pent-up demand from the sort of period of shock in late March. On the other hand, it could be the beginning of a sort of secular boom in home services, from people being in their home much more than they were before and with much more focus on spending time in the home and in a world where you can't go to restaurants, having people over to dinner in their home and so on and so forth. So I think the future is very uncertain and the dispersion of outcomes is very wide. What we feel confident about is, certainly, that we're in a pretty strong position financially. Financial performance I think in April is good, given the situation. And we think we can make a real difference in the world we're living in here for the -- at least the near and medium term, in terms of accelerating people from off-line to online and providing them features that make a material difference in terms of getting them over the hump and being comfortable in getting that indoor work done. We believe that that indoor work done can -- indoor work can ultimately be done safely, if people are following the right guidelines and have confidence in how it's being done and that's a huge focus for us. I think that's kind of the overview, but we're definitely seeing -- in everything but into our discretionary, we're definitely seeing a lot of focus and demand in those areas.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Yes. And just our resilience, Jason, is not just discretionary/nondiscretionary. As you know we're in 500 different categories. As you know we're in 400 different markets. And just to talk about geography for a second, obviously, we saw a bigger hit in the eye-of-the-storm areas, so Pacific Northwest, Northeast and northern part of the Midwest. But in other areas of the country, things played out a lot better. Recall in times of reduced demand, SPs need us more. And we're seeing that now, given, as Brandon said earlier, the ROI to an SP on our platform is pretty significant and better than competing platforms. We've talked previously for every dollar you spend it's a 25 or 30x return on that dollar. And then, additionally, as you know, I think, we talked about this in the last letter, our fixed cost base here is quite low and our variable cost base is 70% to 80% of the total, so we can adjust our expense base if we so choose. And this year we may not, but we could adjust our cost base with reduced demand.
Joey Levin
Management
On Care.com, Jason, the – there's a lot of -- you are probably seeing that the liability landscape of COVID-related things is certainly evolving. It's a regulatory question. It's a policy question and we just don't know yet how that's going to shake out. What I can tell you is that one, of the benefits of using this platform is that, the interactions are more limited. So you can find somebody, you can find somebody reliable, and your sort of field of exposure is effectively one-to-one. As soon as there's systems of course that everybody in the world is looking for which is whether you can verify that somebody is safe or has antibodies or has been tested or get instant tests and things like that, we'll try to avail ourselves of all of those tools. But until those things become available one, if we -- somewhat beneficial thing here is limited interactions, limited interactions with bigger groups, which means it's a smaller field of exposure there. But we'll have to see, how that landscape evolves. At some point, there is responsibility between people making decisions of what exposures they are comfortable with, and what exposures they're not comfortable with. And a lot of that is going to be informed by of course, the regulatory environment and government recommendations. Next question?
Operator
Operator
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Dan Salmon with BMO Capital Markets.
Dan Salmon
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
Thank you. Good morning everyone, maybe first for, Joey and maybe both Glenn and Brandon, as well. Yesterday Shar talked about, more use of video tools, more female engagement and it seems like that's an opportunity for, sort of specific product development for Match that has emerged due to COVID. You've already both spoken a little bit about accelerated shifts of behavior change. But can you point to maybe some areas where you already see specific product opportunities for ANGI or across the IAC businesses? Joey, Vimeo seems like an obvious one but any others that you'd highlight would be great to hear. And then, just the second for Glenn, you've activated the option to sell up to $1.5 billion of Match stock. Can you elaborate on your thinking and the timing for that? What sort of disclosures we can expect going forward and any other context that, would be great.
Joey Levin
Management
Sure. Brandon, why don't you go first on ANGI and video? And then, I'll hit the IAC part and the business part.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
Yeah. So, let me give you just two examples that we're excited about. First, we introduced contactless payments, just in this last quarter. Contactless payment means that, any project that is submitted across the entire HomeAdvisor marketplace, not just fixed price, but any project can now be paid for -- from the consumer to the SP through the HomeAdvisor app. And obviously that offers a level of convenience that is attractive to people anyway. But in a time of social distancing and the situation, we're in nobody wants to exchange a cheque or cash or have to frankly interact in person, if they can avoid it. The timing for introducing contactless payment is obviously perfect. And if you think about the potential impact of that, if we can close the loop, on a significant number of the projects that get completed in our marketplace remember, we're -- our GMV for the entire marketplace is north of $10 billion. If we can close the loop from a transactional standpoint, the opportunity to test different business models to introduce things like the opportunity for financing. And maybe in a more basic way, simply drive deeper engagement and convenience to our customers to drive more loyalty and ultimately more -- a longer lifetime and longer lifetime value is really significant. So I don't think we could be any more excited about, a feature than we are about contactless payment. We also introduced video calling. This was very specific to the situation and enables the consumer and SP to talk via video through our app. The consumers obviously appreciate this, for reasons that are obvious in terms of social distancing. SPs appreciate it for the same reason. But they actually are attracted to it for a different reason, which is if they can save a trip across town it saves time and expense and makes -- enables them to run their business much more efficiently. We're seeing real affinity for this feature from our service providers. And the thing that's interesting about all this is these features were always there. And the benefits could have always been derived, when you think about running your business efficiently. But what people need is something to get them over the hump of making that behavioural change in terms of how they operate their business. And this situation is forcing that. But by -- as its happening these folks are learning and understanding the benefits. And when the situation resolves itself which we all know it will the behavior, isn't going to change. They're not going to go back. So we are seeing behavioural change, driving people toward these digital features. And we expect those to be lasting changes, in terms of how people conduct business.
Joey Levin
Management
Yeah. I agree with that. And you can expand that to other businesses. But just going to Vimeo video, we've seen, just as a couple of examples, kid's channels. That's a big user of Vimeo's tools. We've seen 15 times increase in sign-ups in kids' channels. We don't monetize that. But the point is that the people who run those kid channels see that benefit in there in reaching this kind of audience. Similar with personal trainers’ gyms, fitness experts these are individuals who are putting up their own channels and seeing something like five times increase in demand. And of course, that's bringing more channels onto our platform, which is important for our business. So you could see it throughout Vimeo. And all the places that Vimeo touches of the economy. And all the kinds of different businesses that Vimeo touches. I think, that's probably besides what you mentioned in Match and what Brandon just talked about at ANGI, I think, that's the main areas where video impacts us. I mean Dotdash uses video, as a tool to communicate and will continue to use video, as a tool. But that's not like I don't think a fundamental change in user behavior like, you're seeing now where people, who previously would only communicate or use text or pictures as a tool now use video as a tool and where it can replace or supplement. And I think long-term supplement is really important, physical presence.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Regarding the $1.5 billion, I like your choice of words, activate the option. We -- that's well said. We filed the S-3. That was done to register the $1.5 billion shares, we may sell. And those shares will become shares of Match common stock in the separation. People may have been a little confused by that as those shares were called Class M. And that's simply due to, the mechanics of the transaction. There's a lot of technical that go into that. But given the shares will not be delivered to the buyers until closing those shares will not be entitled to the $3 per share cash distribution. This filing gives us the option not the obligation to sell those shares which depending on market conditions as Joey said in the letter, we may in fact do. And the sale of the shares will not happen until the transaction closes, which we expect to be shortly after the shareholder vote on June 25th. But we can enter into transactions and agreements to sell the shares with potential buyers prior to.
Joey Levin
Management
And Dan, I just thought of one more example which is a tiny one but a fun one. This is in Bluecrew where we're matching employers with employees, in the light industrial temp labor space, we're able to bring employees on through video interviews. And actually the same is true in Care.com. We talked about this in the letter where you can hire people over video. And that makes things -- again it reduces contact, but also it makes things a lot more convenient for the person doing the hiring and allows us to build the tools that enable other people to scale how to be able to scale their systems to drive conversion. Essentially a family can scale by doing a lot more by being able to meet with caregivers or employer meet with workers by doing these things over video and being able to improve and optimize those things over time.
Dan Salmon
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
Thank you, everyone.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.
All right. Next question operator, please?
Operator
Operator
Next question comes from Eric Sheridan with UBS.
Eric Sheridan
Analyst · UBS.
Thanks so much for taking the question. I want to know could we double back first to your comments on Dotdash, and the level of success you're seeing in direct response and e-commerce? I wanted to get a little more granularity on what you were seeing and what that might mean in terms of how you align that engagement and monetization inside that part of the company for the long-term? And then I know we're not giving guidance for the full year, but there are a couple of moving pieces this year that we just want to make sure we have clarified things on spin costs the Care.com acquisition costs the endowment piece that you've called out before just so we make sure where some of those individual pieces might fall as you look through the fiscal year? Thanks everyone.
Joey Levin
Management
I'll let Glenn do the second part. In terms of the performance marketing piece of Dotdash, it is -- so first of all, there's really hundreds of advertisers using those tools on our platform. And so it's starting to scale really nicely and starting to diversify. The key in there -- I mean, you talk about engagement and monetization, the key in there then is having content that's actionable. So, for example, finding a brokerage account. Number one, like why do I need a brokerage account? What do I do with a brokerage account? How do I do certain things around there? That's the kind of content that would be existing in Investopedia and The Balance. But also within there is, okay, where should I open a brokerage account? What are the rates of one versus the other? And what are the rates that matter? What are the rates that are likely to be something that affects me and my kind of account as against somebody else and their kind of account? And us building those tools, building those tools completely impartially the great thing about what we're doing is we're coming here from scratch, so we don't need to protect any revenue. We don't need to protect anybody's revenue here. Our goal is just to deliver for the consumer. And so long as we're just delivering for the consumer the best impartial, fastest, freshest information then sometimes they click-through to the advertisers and that's where that gets monetized. Well, that's our goal. Our goal is just to make that content in areas where it's intent-driven but to deliver that impartial content for users. And so long as we continue to do that across a very wide range of categories, I think we'll be able to monetize it because the users are coming to us with the intent. We don't need to guess what they're doing. We don't need to cookie them. We don't need to understand their demographic information. We don't need to understand their personally identifiable information. We know somebody looking for a brokerage account is looking for a brokerage account and that's what matters to the sort of folks on the other side of that advertising equation.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Yeah. In terms of our one-off costs related to the separation and the acquisition, Care.com costs were about $40 million, half of which are -- is going to be deferred revenue. You saw $13 million of that already in the first quarter. We think there'll be a similar amount in the second quarter. And then the balance will be split roughly equally in the third and the fourth quarter, maybe a little weighted to the third. That's Care. In terms of the spin costs, we estimate that about $20 million, $8 million of which was in the first quarter. The rest of it will be in the second quarter. That will be in the corporate line. The Care costs, sorry, will be in the Emerging & Other line. And then the third cost, as you said was the funding of the endowment, the IAC Fellows endowment in celebration of IAC's 25th year. That will be $25 million and that will hit in the corporate line in the second quarter.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · UBS.
All right. Next question?
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from Ross Sandler with Barclays.
Ross Sandler
Analyst · Barclays.
Hey, guys. Barry was on TV a couple of weeks ago and mentioned that you're looking at large deals. So given how the environment for private company financing has changed since the last six months, how are you thinking about large versus small deal size versus buyback? And what companies do you think you're most interested in? Is it still two-sided marketplaces? And then second question is just spin mechanics. So, I mean, you guys have said the vote should be completed on June 25th, and then we go when-issued. Will the new shares be trading by the end of the second quarter before June 30th? Any color on what happens after June 25th? Thanks a lot.
Joey Levin
Management
Sure. On deal size, Ross, we're looking at everything, small to big share repurchases would also definitely be in the mix. The -- I guess the one thing that has perhaps changed is that some big deals have gotten smaller recently and so -- or may get smaller soon and that may create some opportunity. I don't think that there's a fundamental shift in how we think about capital, or how we think about deploying capital, or our willingness to bet the company, which we haven't historically been willing to do and I don't think we'll do going forward. But there are opportunities that may become available in an environment with a lot of dislocation and we would certainly look at those and give it a fair shot. So that's I think really it on deal size. Glenn, do you want to do the other question?
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Yeah. On the mechanics, as you said, the shareholder vote is the 25th. We expect both securities -- we expect the transaction to be done by the end of the quarter, so call it in and around June 30the. And then post then the two stocks will trade separately. Obviously there's a lot of complexity in that. But to simplify it, I think we have an example in the previous letter, a little bit updated for this letter. An IAC shareholder who owns one share of IAC come July will own that same share of IAC. And then based on stock prices, I think last night will get 2.38 shares of Match. And if we avail ourselves of the option to sell the 1.5 billion we'll get 2.18 or 2.17 shares of Match. And all that obviously will depend on the stock prices prior to -- the stock prices at the time. But it's -- the mechanics are simple and I refer you back to the deck we presented in December, which I think did a really nice job of demystifying what yes is a complicated transaction.
Ross Sandler
Analyst · Barclays.
Thank you.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · Barclays.
Next question.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Nick Jones with Citi.
Nick Jones
Analyst · Citi.
Okay, thank you for taking my question. I guess just on Care.com in the shareholder letter, you detailed quite the opportunity. You called out rapid bookings video interviews improved matching. Can you maybe expand on the opportunity and maybe what the use case is today? It sounds like it's more kind of long-term care. And what you see the use case is in the future?
Joey Levin
Management
Sure. I do think long-term care is still very much going to be a focus of Care forever. What we're trying to do is also open up the 78 million babysitting and short-term-duration child care jobs. And what that does besides being a new revenue opportunity, Nick, is it hopefully drives frequency. So if it's a platform where it's easy every week is when you need care for an elder or for a child, you can go on press a button and get it done then I think people will also turn to us for the long-term care and other kinds of care in their home. That's the goal on that. The market is quite large. Most families need care at some point, and families in a certain age range need care very frequently over the course of the year. And obviously things happening with schools being available, and day care centers being available right now certainly changes a lot of the dynamics, but hopefully in ways where we can satisfy incremental consumer demand. So that's the opportunity I think a very large one. The business was growing when we bought it. And I think that there are lots of opportunities to optimize some of the tools inside of there to make them work more efficiently to drive conversion to allow easier enrollment. And if we could just get some of that blocking and tackling done I think even before creating wildly new innovative tools we can drive real growth there.
Nick Jones
Analyst · Citi.
Great. Thank you.
Joey Levin
Management
Thanks. So one more question please, operator?
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Ygal Arounian with Wedbush Securities.
Ygal Arounian
Analyst · Wedbush Securities.
Hey, guys. Good morning, and thanks for the questions. So I want to ask if I could squeeze in two. Just, back on the M&A question and not focusing on deal size, but how your outlook on target type of companies may have changed in the current environment. Like, for example, e-commerce has really grown to kind of shine through in this kind of environment and maybe other businesses that are more exposed to local maybe having more challenges. So any change in the kind of target companies that you might be interested in pursuing? And then, on ANGI, just as you talk about the sales channel being really productive and ROI SPs are getting, maybe just similar to everybody else a little bit surprised in some of the resiliency in that business. Can you help maybe give some color on what the discussions are like with SPs? Are ROIs higher or lower today? Are you giving kind of incremental offers to get people onto the platform? Just a little bit of insight on what those discussions are like. Thanks.
Joey Levin
Management
Brandon, why don't you do the ANGI one first and I'll close out with the other question.
Brandon Ridenour
Analyst · Wedbush Securities.
Yeah. So the nature of the business model, particularly in our Marketplace segment is very resilient. The less consumer demand, there is the more obviously providers need us. And as you guys know, we've had an excess of consumer demand for a long time. So even as demand goes down, we still have a lot of it and we see SPs engage more make themselves active and available more. In terms of bringing new SPs on, in April, I said it was our highest all-time sales month in the history of the company. To put some more perspective around that, we were up 38% versus last April and that's on a sales force that's roughly the same size. So, it gives you a sense of the absolute productivity of our sales force. Part of it is need and just having best-in-class tools in terms of helping these small businesses get customers. But another part of it is that we've become far more sophisticated over the course of the last year in being able to tailor our offering to the right customer in the right way at the right time. I think in our 20-year experience up to this point, we've always approached it in a one-size-fits-all way. But the reality is a handyman or a maid is very different than somebody who does kitchen remodels. And in the same way, a company that is one or two people is very different than a business that might have 100 techs. And so, we have come up with a range of offerings and product configurations that are tailored to unique situations and segments that we simply found have opened up our ability to bring on more SPs, because of the appeal of those configurations. We think we've got a long way to go there in terms of a lot of runway and being able to get even better at that considering we just started over the course of the last, let's call it, nine months. But we're seeing very early positive impacts from that segmentation and customization.
Joey Levin
Management
In terms of kind of companies we're looking at, and Ross asked this question, I forgot to answer this part of Ross' question too, so thanks for raising it. It is -- I don't think e-commerce is likely something for us. I mean anything is possible. We don't rule anything out. But I think those kinds of inventory businesses are not typically where we've historically done well. I think certainly we feel like marketplace businesses and we'll always be looking for marketplace businesses. But really, what we're looking for is category leaders in very big categories where we think there's significant room to run. And that could be really anywhere. But I suppose if you picked one e-commerce. I think it's probably less likely to be e-commerce, but more likely to be we think good brands in big categories with big potential.
Joey Levin
Management
And with that, we will wrap it up. Thank you all for joining us. Everyone stay safe stay healthy, and we will speak to you next quarter.
Glenn Schiffman
Management
Thank you.
Operator
Operator
And that does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.