Michael Jackson
Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is open
Excellent question, John. So payroll, paycheck protection was launched to try to mitigate the damage from a avalanche – unprecedented history of America, avalanche of unemployment, people being put out of work. And I thought it was a enlightened and inspired almost a European-type plan where you’re looking to companies to – despite the circumstances, to sustain the same payroll as the prior year. So PPP was launched with that in mind, protecting jobs. And for us to qualify for forgiveness, basically the vast majority of the money had to go to employees. And we either had to bring the 7,000 back – so companies either had to bring everybody back and give pay increases where you would make cuts, whatever. You had to go back to the same payroll you had before. Now that’s not something we would have done for the business because it’s not affordable. But in the spirit of looking at our furloughed associates standing and unemployment lines are as far as the eye can see and not being able to get on them on unemployment. We did it for our associates and it was basically a pass-through from the government to try to stabilize the employment situation in America. We are clearly eligible. They had suspended the Small Business Association rules around aggregation and we clearly had not excluded the publicly traded company. So it was in that sense that we went forward. Now government can change its mind as happened. I’ve observed that with administrations and we woke up with new guidelines a couple weeks later. That said, basically, you can do everything we’ve asked. You can give all this money to the associates, but we’re not so sure we’re going to forgive you when it’s all done. Well, that makes – that is a nonstarter that once there was no clear path to forgiveness, we are not in a position to go down that road. And so we suspended our applications and returned whatever PPP money we have received thus far, which was, I believe, $79 million, something like that and said, okay, we have to run the business for ourselves rationally where we’ve protected and ensured the company would be on the other side and participating in PPP put that at risk with no clear paths for forgiveness because I think that’s very understandable. Now, as far as how I view the number of associates we have and who comes back when, here’s the way I think about it. So, if I go back to March, early April, our sales were down 50% during that period and we had reduced the staffing of the company by 26%, 27%, something like that, 7,000 employees and we were prepared that it could go either way. We really didn’t know. We’re prepared to do more. And of course, we are always happy and delighted to manage better news. That’s far easier than managing more bad news. So at this point, business, as I said, is now running around down 20%. We’ve bought back 1,000 associates thus far, meaning that our staffing reduction is around the same as the business reduction. Now, exactly there is no predetermined cadence or plan as to when we bring back additional employees. That is going to be absolutely almost a daily discussion. And if I look back to 2008 and 2009, I would observe it was the re-staffing trailed the improvement in business. That’s the way you have to think about it. And what other efficiencies and effectiveness around digital is figured out or we come to grips with, whether that leads fact that we hire everyone when we ultimately have a full recovery in our back, well, I can’t answer that today, other than I can say, rehiring will trail the growth of the business.