Janelle Frost
Analyst · Bob Farnam. Your line is now open
Yes. Sure. I'll start with the competitive environment. When the soft market first started, harking back to those days, and we talked a lot about multiline carriers coming into our space and demanding comp as part of a package, carriers that two years ago -- or I guess to that point, three years before that, were saying, get your workers' comp quote somewhere else. They were demanding comp as part of the package, and that has continued throughout this soft market. What we've seen is -- and at the beginning, it was really the larger premium sizes. If you recall, we -- in one quarter, we lost our 4 largest accounts if you back in -- I think it was the fourth quarter of 2017, if I'm not mistaken -- or 2016 maybe. So, at that point, it was really based on premium size. As we've continued in this soft market and particularly as the other P&C line results have not improved, as you mentioned, the prices, it's getting harder. Workers' comp has still been attractive. We've, somehow as an industry, managed to string together a few years of profitability. NCCI in May described the industry as delivering. Loss costs have continued to go down. I think the projection for 2019 was 10%. So, from a carrier perspective, that makes workers' comp attractive to a number of carriers, I guess, for a number of reasons. I don't believe -- and in my opening comments, I -- we think that that's temporary. I think that the cycle is not dead. I do believe carriers will at some point start to experience some adverse development. If you look at the numbers NCCI published in May, while the results were good and profitable, they expect, whether you look at selected or reported that from 2017 to 2018, the loss ratio went up two percentage points. So, there's deterioration in that. Not enough that we've seen people pulling back as of yet, but that's our anticipation that as people start either having adverse development or the pricing continues to drop and they realize we can't compete at these prices that they'll start pulling back. Specific to Amerisafe, I think what that means is just keep in mind we have a very specific niche, high hazard, something we do see carriers in our sandbox dipping into our fields. But I -- we do believe that'd be the first phase they start pulling back as well when they get -- we used to joke about when they get that first $1 million claim. In today's environment, maybe that's their first $2 million claim because cost of claim has gone up. But nonetheless, I do think that makes high hazard less attractive from that standpoint. To your point about the economy, obviously, we like wage inflation because that means same workers, more dollars, more premium dollars. It'd be interesting to see how the economy unfolds. When we look at our audit premium, it's still positive. So, we think that is a very good sign for our insured. At least for them, their payrolls are more than expected. For this quarter, in particular, I think it was more heavily weighted toward wage growth versus new employees, which you've been following us long enough to know we prefer that. Newer employees are the ones that tend can do have accidents and drive up frequency. So, that is actually better news for us in the quarter. That was a very long-winded answer. I hope it answers--