George P. Sakellaris
Analyst · Canaccord Genuity
We look at the number of customers, the traction that we have gotten so far. We have approximately, I would say, couple hundred clients, probably the mix is about half and half. Half of that will be on the adjacent customers that we've been working with, and the other half will be on the C&I market. In the range of the, I would say, of the contracts that we execute with them, that they might be anywhere, like I said, 3 years. They average between $50,000 to $1 million. So if you say, "George, what's the average?" I would say around a couple of hundred thousand dollars. But again, and I will say this much, too, that's why we've been working with this -- and that's we have done some of the acquisitions over the last 2 or 3 years. But we were not talking too much about it until we start putting all these groups together and start getting some traction on the other side. And generally, all of this software analytics business that we have, they are profitably, with the exception of the one that we -- I will say, still under research and development, Seldera, which we acquired recently, and that's why you see some of the expenditures, part of the $800,000 we talked about. And we will continue to invest in that software and technology because we think it has some competitive advantage in the marketplace. So when we look at this business, it's what I will call low-cost customer acquisition, and I'm looking for the long term and establishing the relationships, strengthening the relationship with the particular customers, know how they're using the energy, know where the potential might be on energy efficiency projects. And then if we can couple that with some kind of creative financing mechanism, hopefully, we will upscale those projects to what I'll call energy efficiency projects. And to give you a little bit perspective, unlike the asset planning tool that we had acquired, that very small acquisition I think we acquired with less than $150,000. But right now, it's -- and then, we added another acquisition to it. It's very profitable, it's contributing, and basically, we get to know how the particular customer identified what kind of maintenance or what I would call deferred maintenance he has in his particular facility. So we get to know his facility and then tell them what deferred maintenance they have, and hopefully from that, and we have several examples. Toronto Community Housing was such a project. We upscale to doing over $50 million contract. Vancouver Housing Project was a similar one. So and then, of course, on the analytics of the energy like exchange point, we have some bluechip customers that basically not only tell them how they're using energy, we go to the next stage and we have identified several projects that we have implemented with the customers. And the other thing about -- that I like about this particular analytics project is the fact that we get in one of their sites and then they like what we are doing and then we expand to other sites, and then try to -- look, at the end of the day, we want to develop some kind of a stickiness, what I call, with the particular customers. And I think this type of service is the -- it provides some stickiness.