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Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 27, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to American Homes 4 Rent Fourth Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce to your host, Ms. Stephanie Heim. Thank you, you may begin.

Stephanie Heim

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2014 earnings conference call. I'm here today with Dave Singelyn, Chief Executive Officer; Jack Corrigan, Chief Operating Officer; and Diana Laing, Chief Financial Officer of American Homes 4 Rent. At the outset, I need to advise you that this call may include forward-looking statements. All statements other than statements of historical fact included in this conference call are forward-looking statements that are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in these statements. These risks and other factors that could adversely affect our business and future results are described in our press releases and in our filings with the SEC. All forward-looking statements speak only as of today February 27, 2015. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. A reconciliation to GAAP of the non-GAAP financial measures we are providing on this call is included in our earnings press release. You can find our press release, SEC reports, and the audio webcast replay of this conference call on our website at www.americanhomes4rent.com. With that, I will turn the call over to our CEO, David Singelyn.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Stephanie, and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2014 earnings call. On today's earnings call, I will provide a brief summary of our recent results and outlook for 2015. I will then turn the call over to Jack Corrigan to discuss the current operating environment and our progress with regards to operations and acquisitions. Finally, Diana Laing will review operating and financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2014 - update you on our balance sheet and liquidity and on our latest securitization transaction. I'm pleased with our growth and results during 2014, our first full year as a public company. And while we had a few challenges, we worked to minimize their impact. Let me start with a quick summary of our accomplishments and as we continue to focus on our vision of building the premiere company focused on owning and operating single-family rental homes. During 2014, we acquired 11,331 homes for $1.9 billion, increasing our total portfolio to 34,599 homes at year end 2014. Including the homes purchased thus far in 2015, we now own 36,200 homes in 22 states. Our leased homes increased by 10,922 homes in 2014 bringing the total number of leased homes to 28,250 at December 31, 2014 resulting in total portfolio occupancy of 81.6% and 92.8% on our 90-day rent ready portfolio. Our tenant retentions were 70% for 2014. In addition to the numbers, during 2014 we continue building the best-in-class single-family rental company accomplishing a number of strategic milestones that will benefit us in the future. First, with over 36,000 homes we have built a company with sufficient size to provide economies of scale, permit us to enhance our brand name among the single-family rental community and provide our investors with sufficient flow in liquidity in…

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Thank you Dave, and good morning everyone. I'd first like to expand on Dave's comments and provide a more complete review of our portfolio. At year end 2014, we owned 34,599 homes, an increase of 3,722 from the 30,877 homes that we owned at the end of the third quarter. The projected investment after renovation cost of the 3,700 homes we acquired in the fourth quarter is approximately $630 million, or $169,000 per home, about $85 per foot. The 3,700 homes can be broken down as follows; the Ellington transaction accounted for about 900, auction purchases 800, broker purchases were 1,800 and approximately 200 other purchases. Our acquisition pace in the quarter was up from the third quarter and in line with our expectations announced on the third quarter earnings call. For the full year 2014, we acquired 11,300 homes, representing an investment of approximately $1.9 billion and increasing our portfolio to 34,599 homes. We renovated 2,200 homes in the fourth quarter which brings our full year 2014 renovation activity to approximately 8,800. This approximates the number of vacant homes we acquired during the year. The average renovation cost was approximately $17,000 per home and the average time to deliver completed homes to the rent-ready pool averaged less than three months. As we move forward, we expect our pace of renovation activities to meet or exceed our acquisition activity. As of December 31, we had 28,250 lease properties, an increase of 2,089 leased homes from the end of the third quarter. On the rental activity side, we expected and experienced the seasonal slow down in the fourth quarter. However, leasing activity has picked up dramatically in the first quarter of 2015. For comparison sake, we generated 3,200 new leases in the fourth quarter and net absorption was 1,200 leases. In comparison to February 26, we have generated 3,300 new leases and net absorption is expected to be an excess of 2,000 by the end of the month, including all months end move-outs. Leasing call volume averaged 30,000 calls per month in November and December and almost 60,000 in January and February. Entering the spring leasing season, we expect absorption to continue to pick up dramatically. We continue to see solid rental rate increases which were up approximately 3% overall including increases of 2% on new leases and almost 4% on renewals. Our retention rate was 67% in the fourth quarter of 2014. For the fourth quarter our core operating margin was 62%, which was up significantly from the third quarter. I'll remind you that our expenses do follow typical seasonal patterns and the third quarter’s impacted by higher utility expenses and higher volume upturns. We expect our core NOI operating margins to settle within the 61% to 63% range on an annual basis. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our CFO, Diana Laing.

Diana Laing

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Thanks Jack. In my comments today, I will review our fourth quarter and full year 2014 financial results and comment on our balance sheet and recent financing transactions. As a note, our fourth quarter and full year results are more fully detailed in yesterday’s press release and in our supplemental information package both of which have been posted to our website under the For Investors Tab. These documents in addition to our SEC filings provide further information on our financial results and relevant definitions of non-GAAP financial measures discussed on our call today. For the fourth quarter of 2014, we reported core FFO of $42 million or $0.16 per share. On a per share basis, our core FFO was up by 6.7% from the $0.15 per share we reported in the third quarter and up by 45% from the $0.11 per share we reported in the fourth quarter of 2013. For the full year 2014, we reported core FFO of $144 million or $0.57 per share. This was our first year as a public company so comparisons to the prior year are not applicable. With regard to our portfolio, NOI from our leased properties was $68 million in the fourth quarter of 2014, which was an increase of 14.5% from the third quarter and 70% from the prior year period. Revenues were $116.4 million, an increase of 5.8% of the revenues reported in the third quarter. For the full year 2014, our core NOI was $232.3 million and our revenue totaled $397.3 million. For the fourth quarter of 2014, our core NOI margin was 62% compared with the 57% during the third quarter. As mentioned in Dave and Jack's remarks, our margins on the quarterly basis will fluctuate due to seasonality and leasing turnover and operating cost such as utilities.…

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

In closing, we are extremely energized by our accomplishments in 2014. We continue to grow with attractive acquisitions and as our portfolio expense, we are demonstrating the true power of an integrated platform within the traditionally fragmented single-family rental market. And we look forward to continuing to execute on our growth plans moving ahead and driving cash flows and creating value for our shareholders in 2015 and beyond. And with that, we will open the call to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask about the M&A environment and if you could share your thoughts on whether opportunities are increasing. Also, you mentioned specifically the word combination rather than acquisition, so I wanted to see also what your thoughts are about large-scale M&A potential in the sector.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

I think we started seeing that pick up middle of last year and as we indicated we did two relatively large transactions of about thousand homes. We did a number of small portfolios or small acquisitions of say 10 to 25 throughout the year that we don’t even talk about. Coupled with a couple of other transactions in our sector involving other companies not ourselves, I think you are seeing the more and more discussion and activity in the consolidation arena. A number of the discussions do revolve around trying to combine companies as we indicated on prior calls, these are discussions that typically take time and they're going to be very lumpy, do we expect there to be transactions in this sector in 2015, absolutely.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Great. Well, thanks for that. On the operations side, can you just give some more color on the utility process changes that you're putting in place?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

We are outsourcing our utilities to a company that serves a lot of apartment buildings and some single-family homes, I think we'll probably be their largest single-family home customer, whereby they will pay the utilities and we'll build the tenant back for them rather than allow the tenants to pay the utilities on their own because if they don't pay it, it ultimately becomes our liability. So we like to be more in control of that process.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Do you think that would positively or negatively impact the margins?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Positively.

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Core margins, because it will go in, it's an expense and then it will go out as a charge back in income so you are basically grossing up the revenue and expense line for non-core but once we do our adjustments to get core it will positively effect.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

And Jade, we do present the core competition in our supplemental, as you’re aware.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Yes, great. And just on the expensing of acquisition renovation costs, can you say what percentage of the acquisition team you are in-sourcing and also what the aggregate impact could be on an annual basis in the income statement?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

We absorbed 100% of the acquisition team effective December 10 or 11, I forgot the exact date, and discontinued paying an acquisition fee to the sponsor. The acquisition costs will really depend on acquisition activity, I think that and it will be partially offset by fees we earned in our joint venture with Alaska for the high end homes. So I haven't done a calculation of exactly what that is, Diana, do you have -

Diana Laing

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

No, its hard to say. The impact would be - the total cost should be less because we were previously paying a fee based on the cost of the acquisition and there was some profit booked into that fee. Number two, we were previously capitalizing acquisition cost associated with basically empty homes that we bought and we will now be expensing those. So its very difficult to estimate what the difference is going to be because of the volume of transactions and its also hard to estimate whether we’re going to buying them leased or empty.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

And will this show up as increased G&A?

Diana Laing

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

We actually on the income statement show acquisition cost in that separate line.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Dennis McGill with Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Thank you. First question just has to do with the two deals that were done, given the relatively large scale of those versus the others you've done, had some time to digest. Can you maybe just compare and contrast, particularly, I guess, the operations, the expense structure, what you have internally versus what you found when you bought these companies and where the big gaps are and maybe identify where scale really shines through?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Yeah, I can do that certain extent, on the Beazer portfolio, they were fairly well managed internally. They had probably more management costs relative to their portfolio but the direct cost were pretty similar and then they were pretty much different than Ellington who had third-party managed their portfolio. So Ellington probably had a less efficient structure than what Beazer had.

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

I was just going to say on the first part for the Beazer, it was internally managed from a margin standpoint or a cost structure standpoint. Are you saying it was relatively comparable to your own structure?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Their management costs were higher per home because they only had 1,400 homes to spread the fixed costs of their structure out over and but they were recently efficiently managed Ellington, we have just a little bit of operating experience with them but just knowing that they were third-party managed, I believe that the efficiencies and effectiveness of internal management far exceeds third-party management.

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

And how about outside of the fixed cost leverage on the turnover costs or the maintenance type costs? Any difference there?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Too early to tell hasn’t been a lot of turnover.

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then separately, I think you'd mentioned that leasing activity and the way you were looking at it was up dramatically so far in the first quarter. Would your expectation be that the 90-day stabilized rate could actually be up year over year in the quarter?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

It definitely could be, I don’t know for sure but I think was pretty high last year, so that it won’t dramatically higher, we’re starting from a lower point but..

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

I guess you – happened to have may be February number to-date for those numbers be up year-over-year?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

They given there some numbers here so, we were at 94.5% year ago and were at 92.8 so got some ground to make up, I think will make up ground but we probably won’t exceed last year, we ended up at 95.1 at the end of the first quarter.

Dennis McGill

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Sorry, when you say 94.5% last year, that was as of -- Oh, December. Okay. Got you. Thank you, guys

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question.

Dave Bragg

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Thank you. Good morning. Just wanted to how together the constructive outlook that you have for acquisitions in ‘15 with your previously stated leverage targets, I believe that you’re approaching that range therefore, are you thinking differently about leverage or how much you fund acquisition activity in ’15?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Well, at this point we have a significant amount of capital on our balance sheet Diana mentioned with the last securitization, we not only have a lines that is fully undrawn but we have cash on the balance sheet and that will take u through significant period of time. We continue to evaluate all sources of capital and we continue to monitor our debt is, we recognize that we’ve now appears to over 30% and we monitoring that, we’re not concluding that we’re completely done raising debt capital but we’re evaluating other source actively at this time.

Dave Bragg

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Okay, thank you for that and regarding the margin, you said that you expected to stabilizing the 61%, 63% range but you already there and you spoken about a lot of opportunities that will help you control costs, so do you see the margin going higher from here or do you need to do those things just to keep you where you are?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Yeah, so presently were about 62% and we do think we can improve that into the 63% range as we go again we’re at 62 in the fourth quarter of this year and we also had in the early part of 2014, we had few properties that we’re going turn because our portfolio in 2012 and early 2013 was lot smaller than it is today. Yes, we do think we’ve increased our guidance from last quarter was 61$ to 62% and we have increased to up 63% on this call.

Dave Bragg

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Okay, thank you. And last question just relates to where you’re sending out renewals as you entered the spring season and you send out renewals presumably for April and May, what are you asking for in terms percentage increases?

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

We’re getting right now, right around 3.5% to 4% that’s, I think we have 4% in Q4 and its not going to be higher than that. I don’t believe.

Dave Bragg

Analyst · Dave Bragg with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Hi, guys good morning.

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Good morning.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

So David you mentioned in your remarks that your, you’re looking to make some property management change in 2015, just curios if you could give some bit more color on what some of those changes might be, they more strategic in nature pricing, they really had a lot of the operational challenges incurred in third quarter and in the fourth quarter here.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

No, I would put it more at this point into refinements of our operations it’s the smaller thing as suppose to the bigger things, we made some big changes putting in new system, changing our utilities last year but there is a little refinements throughout the operations that we think will make processing and that the flow of work and the delivery of the product to are tenants better, so its more in the fine tuning side as suppose to the whole sale are major changes.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Okay. Following up a bit on operations, how hard did you push rents on during the quarter to get to that 3%? Are you alarmed at all that, that 3% increase came at the expense of 130 basis points sequential decline in occupancy and another tic down of retention from the third quarter?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

I would, I mean any timing raise rates you probably loose somebody but at our current average rental rate of $1400 that’s $42 rent increase, so I believe that if somebody is happy with the home they're in, they probably aren't going to leave $42, what we did drop rates a little bit on releasing in the fourth quarter, just because of the slow leasing period but I’d expected to pick those back up in the first and second quarter.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Yes, I guess a bit more on that, Jack, if I could, because we've seen in the apartment space historically has been that the fourth quarter we know is seasonally slower, so the apartment REITs tend to play a bit more defense, right? They push less on rate, preserve occupancy. And so that's why I guess the angle of the question I was trying to get at is, how you are strategically thinking about balancing the two coming into the quarter and perhaps, does it -- was there any signal at all that concerned you, perhaps weakening demand or pricing power? Because again, you only got 3%, which is as you point out, isn't a big absolute number, but you lost over 100 basis points of occupancy and your retention ticked down.

Jack Corrigan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Yeah, I would and I’m not sure exactly the cost of the drop in occupancy we had a big degradation in our conversion rate per call in October and in early November and that was right in the middle over all of our guys were running a home with computer system and that probably affected us more than any rate increase.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Okay, a separate question. The stock lagged a bit since last quarter's call and now trades about 10% below what our mark-to-market value of your portfolio is. But no matter whose number you're using here, it's hard to deny that your stock's cheap. Curious on what the current thoughts are on stock buybacks. We've seen some of your peers do it. And then how the economics of that would compare to or your interest level versus buying homes?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Right, we recognized where our stock price is and your suggestion is definitely a valid, suggestion in something that, we do consider. At this point we believe it is a temporary thing of, we have been building a company, we don’t have a fully stabilized portfolio and it’s hard to completely understand where our earning power is until that portfolio stabilizes. There are still very, very attractive assets out in the marketplace to acquiring those assets has benefits more than just the acquisition itself to our platform in keeping, spreading our fixed out whether be property management or G&A across the portfolio, so we are aware of where the stock price is at this point we have to have discussions about repurchase. And at this point I think the opportunities, which I think will be of limited time and exactly what the measurement that limit is I don’t know. But to acquire these high-quality assets I think we’re still looking to acquire assets.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Great, thanks. One last one, if I may. You guys are bolting on new securitizations at a more rapid clip than I think many of us expected here. Just curious, the psychology, perhaps, behind that is that. Is it tied to the acquisition of buying more soon or is there a concern perhaps about slowing HPA? And then also, we've heard multi-borrow securitizations are getting closer. Is that a concern as well, and is that perhaps tied to buying more sooner?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Well the acquisition market right now there are not a lot of buyers in the marketplace, that’s one of the reason that we have the opportunity to buy very attractive assets or if we can get the money today and get out there, while others don’t have money it’s very beneficial to us. Part of the program on securitizations right now is the interest rate environment is very attractive to us I think we’re going to find that a loan at 4.1% interest rate is it actually announced that it’s not a liability in the future. So part of it is just the timing of what the market is offering us is I think driving a little bit of the decision making.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Any insight into the multi-borrower side? Any sense of where that is, how soon we could be seeing some of those deals at the market?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

There is a lot of rumors out there, it’s probably we know that they’re working hard to get it to the market, it’s probably a better question for those guys to where they are.

Haendel St. Juste

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Okay. I know you care too, but thank you. I appreciate your time.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your questions

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question.

Buck Horne

Analyst · Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question

Thanks. I was just want to dig in a little bit on the occupancy. And given where you finished the year and how you have the -- I saw the scheduled lease expirations, how would you guide us to think about how occupancy will ebb and flow throughout the course of the year, given the lease expiration schedule you have?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question

Well we’re going to try to manage it so that it’s more consistent than last year. But I think the occupancy will pickup where we end up at the end of June I'm not sure. But I think it will pickup through the end of second quarter and then we're going to work like heck to lease up any vacancies prior to the fourth quarter of next year and we’ll probably feel little bit degradation in the fourth quarter.

Buck Horne

Analyst · Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay helpful. And just on the strong demand that you seem to be seeing so far in January and February, I'm just wondering which markets are you seeing maybe the strongest signs of inquiries or pricing power this spring? Do you have any idea what's bringing out so many renters? Can you give us a reference on how many calls you were getting this time last year versus what you're getting this year?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question

Yeah, last year we were probably in the 45,000 range in February and this year we’re closer to 60,000. I think we have less rent ready this year than last year. So on a call per house basis it's definitely exceeded my expectations and probably the hottest market that we have is Denver as far as I call per house. We have the most vacancies in the Midwest so we get the bulk of our calls from the Midwest.

Buck Horne

Analyst · Buck Horne with Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question

Okay. That's great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Steve Stelmach with FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Steve Stelmach

Analyst · FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question

Hi, good morning. Dave, you talked a little bit about competition for assets. I was wondering more specifically what's the competitive process right around the portfolio acquisitions, particularly as a lot of your competitors are running short on capital and you aren't necessarily in that position. Is there a lot of folks bidding these portfolios or is there just a couple, one or two? Any color would be helpful?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question

Well it is a limited number, but it’s more than - there’s always out few at the table it's you are just negotiating by yourself. So it's three and four at a time, but it’s more than just the bidding. It's whether the seller is really did receive the bid that they want to sell out. There’s a lot fishing that’s going on out there both ways to where people are trying to determine what their portfolios are worth. But there is a couple people at the table some of the individuals that you would probably think of being at the table some of the larger players. And potentially some individuals that you may not think of that could be at the table as well.

Steve Stelmach

Analyst · FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question

Got it. And then, the Beazer transaction was done with stock, if I remember correctly, when you were trading a little bit better valuation. Ellington, you used cash. Is that largely your preference, given sort of valuations, or is that more on the part of the seller? How should we think about cash versus stock in these transactions?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question

But the way I looked at it in a way is we're trading our assets with their assets and we’re trading at a discount the most I’m getting there assets that are better discount it's not that good a deal. So, and probably if we have cash, prefer to use cash in that circumstances.

Steve Stelmach

Analyst · FBR and Company. Please proceed with your question

Got it. Okay. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Jack Micenko with SIG. Please proceed with your questions.

Jack Micenko

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Hi. Good morning, guys. How are you guys doing?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Doing good, thank you Jack.

Jack Micenko

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Just one, I had a couple of quick questions. Are you guys seeing sort of increased weather-related expenses in your Midwest markets?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

No relative to last year it's been mild even though I know the last few weeks have been bad, but we had the whole polar vortex hit last year, but we haven’t seen - I’m not aware of any busted pipes or things like that that have affected us.

Jack Micenko

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Got you. And then, my second question is you mentioned securitizations right now is pretty attractive, given the low rate environment. Have you guys factored in any sort of rate hike in second half of this year or what not into your assumptions?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Jack, our last three securitizations have been fixed rate for 10 year. So the interest rates are lost. In our very first ones, we do have 25% of our securitized debt in a floater structure, but the last three transactions that we have done, we eliminated that interest rate risk by fixing the interest rate a 10-year period.

Jack Micenko

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

Got it. Okay. And then my last question is just in terms of overall macro perspective, are you guys -- there's been recent FHA premium cuts, the GSEs are making 97% LTV loans again, there's better clarity in terms of the banking industry with the boards put back mortgages. Do you guys think about how this overall macro environment, which seems to be more conducive towards mortgages, how this might affect, I guess, your business model?

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

There's a number of points on that Jack, one is the regulations have loosened up at the FHFA level, but not necessarily all throughout all the banking systems. I mean it's still - you need to have very, very good credit to get a loan. They have loosened up a little bit on the down payment requirements, but the credit is not the way it was pre-2008. With that said, if it does loosen up remember the size of the single-family rental market that we're in. It was historically about 13 million homes - a number of decades old number so that's a very consistent number, little bit higher today at 15 million. We own 35,000 homes. The industry owns maybe 150, it's 1%, and we have the institutional category in American Homes in particular have homes that are recognized as better maintained, better quality homes than the typical Mom and Pops offer. So I believe we will be in demand even if a couple of percentage points more people acquire homes.

Jack Micenko

Analyst · SIG. Please proceed with your questions

All right, thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of our time for the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to management for any additional concluding comments.

Dave Singelyn

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question

We thank you for taking the time and participating in our earnings call today. And we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Have a good day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation. And you may disconnect your lines at this time.