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Affiliated Managers Group, Inc. (AMG)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Mon, Apr 27, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the AMG First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Anjali Aggarwal, Vice President, Investor Relations for AMG. Thank you. You may begin.

Anjali Aggarwal

Analyst

Thank you for joining AMG to discuss our results for the first quarter of 2020. During this call, certain matters discussed will constitute forward-looking statements. Our actual results could differ materially from those projected due to a number of factors, including those referenced in our Form 10-K and other SEC filings. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. AMG will provide on the Investor Relations section of its Web site, a replay of this call, a copy of our earnings release, as well as a reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures, including any earnings guidance announced on this call. As a reminder, we posted an updated investor presentation on our Web site this morning and encourage investors to consult our site regularly for updated information. With us on the line to discuss the company’s results for the quarter are Jay Horgen, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tom Wojcik, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Jay.

Jay Horgen

Analyst

Thanks, Anjali, and good morning, everyone. Before I begin our discussion on our results and forward prospects, I would like to say on a personal note that I sincerely hope that everyone on the call today is well and that you and your families are healthy and safe. Our thoughts are with those most affected by the virus, and we remain focused on the health and well being of the individuals and families at AMG, our affiliates, and the community at large. This is an extremely challenging time for all of us. The COVID-19 crisis is impacting all elements of the world in which we live and work, and it has had a profound effect on the economy and financial markets. Given the nature of our decentralized operations and our entrepreneurial culture, we and our affiliates remain fully operational and have experienced minimal disruption in continuing to serve our key stakeholders, most importantly our clients. We’re operating in a time of tremendous uncertainty, and no one knows when the economy and markets are going to recover, or what changes in behavior may shape that recovery. While this uncertainty will likely remain for some time, I am confident in our ability to navigate through the challenges we face to find unique growth opportunities amid dislocation and to emerge as an even stronger organization in the future. Our business and our affiliates have been tested before, as has our management team through extremely volatile periods like the global financial crisis, 9/11, and the dot.com bubble. While this crisis will be different, through the strength and diversity of our business together with the quality of our partner-owned affiliates, AMG has an opportunity to prove once again to clients worldwide the value of independent active management in periods of dislocation and volatility as well…

Tom Wojcik

Analyst

Thank you and good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I’d like to echo Jay’s sentiments in recognizing that this is an extremely challenging time and our thoughts are with all of those who have been impacted by the COVID-19 crisis. As Jay discussed, AMG is well positioned to navigate the current environment given the quality and diversity of our affiliates, our unique partnership structure and the strength and flexibility of our balance sheet. Taken together, these elements of our business create a distinct competitive advantage as we execute on our strategy to create long-term value for our shareholders. Turning to the quarter and beginning with flows, against a historically volatile industry backdrop, AMG reported 13.8 billion of net client cash outflows, more than 90% of which were driven by certain quantitative strategies across liquid alternatives and long-only equities that today contribute a low single digit percentage of our EBITDA on a run rate basis. While near-term flow headwinds in certain quantitative strategies may persist, in aggregate, our affiliates continue to improve their performance track record in this volatile period, especially relative to passive indexing. We believe this outperformance is directly attributable to their independent ownership structures and alignment with clients, and the strong performance we are seeing across our fundamental managers; from equities to relative value fixed income to liquid alternatives, creates significant opportunity for future growth both in the form of net inflows and long-term earnings growth. Turning to flows by asset class and alternatives, we reported net outflows of 2.5 billion which was impacted by 7 billion in net outflows in certain quantitative products. We continue to benefit from strong client demand in illiquid alternatives with more than 3 billion in net inflows with ongoing fundraising at Pantheon, Baring Asia and EIG during the quarter along with increasing…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we’ll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Jay Horgen

Analyst

Hi, Craig.

Tom Wojcik

Analyst

Good morning, Craig.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

There was a 37% drop in redeemable, non-controlling interest on the balance sheet. I’m just wondering can you talk about what drove the decline in estimated value for affiliate equity repurchase obligations? And then also on an annual basis, when you think about 2020, what’s really the maximum level of put-backs that AMG could experience this year?

Jay Horgen

Analyst

Thanks, Craig. Nice to hear your voice. I’m going to let Tom take the balance sheet item, and then I’ll maybe come back and talk about our model more generally.

Tom Wojcik

Analyst

Sure. Thanks for the question, Craig. So as a reminder, RNCI really reflects the fair market value of equity that affiliate partners can sell to AMG. We came into this year, as we’ve mentioned in the past, expecting affiliate equity repurchases to be a little bit higher than in past years, just to give you some context that number generally runs in the 100 to 150 level. We expected it to be kind of more in the 200-ish level this year, given a few historical transactions and we indicated that in some of our disclosure. Given the market declines that we saw in the first quarter as well as some of the affiliate equity purchases we made in the first quarter, we saw a pretty significant decline in net RNCI balance of right around 300 million, a little bit more. So you should think about that as our overall obligation going forward has come down quite a bit, partially because we paid a fair amount of it and partially because given the impact of markets and the earnings on those businesses, the value of those repurchases comes down as well.

Jay Horgen

Analyst

Thanks, Tom. And then, Craig, to take it up one level, as you know, equity transition and succession planning is the very core of what we do at AMG. We have a well-designed program of recycling that occurs over a generation, 10 to 15 years. We do have good visibility on these transactions, and we have good protections as they adjust for market conditions as they've done this quarter. So, our model of alignment is being proven out once again. The other important thing to note is, as we got into this period of the crisis, we did see partners decide to not put, and that is where they had discretion where they weren’t retiring, and we think that that's a very positive statement about the future with regards to our alignment model. The structure works and as markets evolve, this balance sheet item reflects that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Shutler with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, guys. Good morning.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Could you elaborate on the structure of the Comvest deal again, and should we expect you to use that same structure much more going forward?

Jay Horgen

Analyst · William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks, Chris. Really appreciate the question. As I said in my prepared remarks, we have and we continue to evolve our structure over time as we have experienced different scenarios ourselves with new investments for over the last 25 years. And I think I carefully noted that this evolved approach of both pricing and structure over multiple outcomes is something we do and we have applied both in the case of Comvest but also Garda. As you look forward, I think you will see continued effort on structuring over a multiyear period and allows us to not only invest more capital in these growing firms, but also protect us in cases of lower growth. That again was the case with Garda. And in the case of Garda, in particular, given its very strong 2019 and very strong 2020, it has led to significant upside in terms of our experiencing kind of above our original estimate on how that business has performed. It’s early days with Comvest, but they are actively growing their business. We’re helping them already in global distribution and the feedback has been very favorable, and we look forward to putting more capital to work as it grows.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Good morning, guys. And I hope everyone and their families are doing well.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question.

You as well.

Robert Lee

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. So I guess a question I have is, you know the revenue share certainly helped, thanks to you guys, but are there any instances where some affiliates just given the sharp downdraft or trying to run at a place where maybe the revenue share is not functioning as you hoped in terms of having to start cut into – obviously cuts into their share, the minority owner' share, but any place where you feel that that’s running into an issue? Obviously, you got rid of Hartwell and some others where maybe that would have been a problem, but any place where that needs to be restructured?

Jay Horgen

Analyst · KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks, Rob. The vast majority of our affiliates have grown over time, as you know, and in particular, off the back of a 10-year bull market. Our largest affiliates or even most of our smaller affiliates have grown significantly since our original revenue share agreement, which means that they have created significant margin under the revenue share. I think you know how that works. And it is in these times of volatility and even declines in market where that creates a substantial amount of cushion for us. So our business during this period, even at the very lowest point, was handling as you would expect. And I think it speaks to the stability of our business model, our ability to invest through a cycle and frankly be flexible, nimble, and opportunistic in periods of dislocation. You did mention a number of affiliates or one affiliate I would say that we took an opportunity to work with them as partners to find the very best outcome for their clients, and we mentioned this on our last call that in 2019 we took actions to reposition our business and also work with certain affiliates to align their businesses with success. As I also mentioned in my prepared remarks, this is largely complete, but we are working with a select few additional affiliates to achieve optimal outcomes. As you know, given our operating autonomy model and our partnership approach, ultimately the affiliate partners who make their own business decisions and we work with those partners in a collaborative way to find solutions and support them to determine the best outcome for their businesses and their clients. As I said, we're largely through that process. It started in 2019. We feel good that we started that way ahead of the current crisis. So, we are in a really good position strategically and our affiliates are in a really good position strategically. What I think is an opportunity given our scale is that we found solutions for a number of these businesses with other affiliates. And you mentioned Hartwell, which has now partnered with Wealth Partners Capital Group, another business that we have an investment in, as well as Trilogy, if you remember, with GW&K. I do think we will see other opportunities like this with affiliates that are facing headwinds as an opportunity for us and those partners and their clients to find the very best outcomes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bill Katz with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you very much for taking my question this morning. And like others, I hope everyone’s safe and healthy in this timeframe. Just maybe coming back to capital management, just as you sort of think about the business on a go-forward basis, can you talk about the use of leverage to fund transactions and what kind of leverage ratio you think you might be willing to sustain?

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks, Bill. Let me have Tom start that and then I will take you back through our history as well and talk about capital allocation strategy generally. But may be Tom start specifically with the balance sheet.

Tom Wojcik

Analyst · Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks, Jay, and thanks for the question, Bill. Maybe I’ll start with the balance sheet and also give a little bit of color on the dividend and then turn it back to Jay. But specific to the balance sheet, as we said in our prepared remarks, we’ve really been planning for an environment like this for years. We've been very proactive in terms of enhancing capacity, in terms of lowering our cost of capital, in terms of increasing duration and really just ensuring we have the best terms in the market on our debt. And as a result, we feel like we have tremendous flexibility coming into this period whether that’s to make new investments or to return capital or even just to weather things if the environment gets significant worse. Over the last couple of months, we’ve taken further steps to make sure we have even more flexibility, primarily just through holding more cash. With respect to constraints, we really only have a single leverage covenant which is on our bank debt and as I said in my prepared remarks, we have substantial cushion there and we can effectively draw our entire $1.25 billion revolver without any issues. That said, to your question, we do have a solid grade rating which affords us good access to capital and is important to our business. And I think as we consider whether we would operate at a higher level, I think for the right strategic opportunities, we feel very comfortable operating at a higher level of leverage for a discrete period of time. But purely for a financial engineering perspective, that’s not something we’re going to do. It’s really a strategic decision. Maybe quickly on the dividend just before I turn it back to Jay, I do want be very…

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Tom. I want to echo Tom’s statement. This was simply a relative choice to repurchase in lieu of dividends and I like Tom’s phrase there. We are taking an ownership mindset and we did receive feedback from our shareholders. We think this is a positive action for the benefit of all shareholders. As I promised, let me take a step back and talk about capital allocation kind of more broadly. We do take a long-term approach to our capital structure and capital allocation. I also agree with Tom that the idea of slightly more leverage is not a problem as long as we have high conviction around that new investment opportunity. But ultimately we would bring that leverage ratio back down as we benefit from the cash flow of that new investment opportunity. And it’s not a financial engineering concept; it’s truly a strategic concept. We have historically operated between 2x and 3x leverage, and the most recent half a decade to seven years, we’ve brought that ratio down to 2x, maybe even under 2x for a moment in time. We like the 2x leverage ratio. Again, we can go above it. We like staying investment grade. I think those are all important aspects to how we operate, access capital markets for efficiency. In line with our strategy, which we have continued to communicate, our first priority is to invest in growth primarily through new investments as well as existing affiliates and then of course after that return excess capital to shareholders, which we’ve done. Moving into this period, in the last call, we commented that we see growth opportunities growing as a percentage of our capital deployment. We still see that. Clearly, we’re in a time of dislocation. And as I mentioned, we’ve been through times of dislocation…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just maybe another one around the balance sheet. Can you guys talk a little bit about just the background on increased debt in the quarter? And as we look out into the put-back answer you guys answered earlier with respect to about $200 million this year, assuming steady markets, does that amount sort of peak this year or just given kind of the vesting schedule among your affiliates, does it continue to grow into next year? And if you guys can give us a flavor on which affiliates are likely to be more active in this, that would be helpful? Thanks.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thank you, Alex. I appreciate the question. We’re going to take that as one question and I’ll let Tom walk you through it.

Tom Wojcik

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Alex. So just with respect to the change in debt levels in the quarter, I mentioned previously that we put a tremendous amount of value in our model on cash, and just in the ordinary course. And if you think about in times of uncertainty, there is no asset more valuable than cash. And in times when you see tremendous future opportunity, there is no asset more valuable than cash. So we did draw a little bit on our revolver, which is something we've done historically, just to make sure that we have more cash on hand in order to be opportunistic, in order to be nimble as unique opportunities present themselves. Also, I’d note that cost to capital is kind of at an all-time low, so the carrying cost of that for us is very manageable relative to the nimbleness and opportunity and flexibility it just gives us to operate in this environment. Shifting to your question on affiliate repurchases, this was an elevated year. We knew that coming in. As we think about next year, we do expect the number to come down fairly substantially. This year’s number will probably be something in the 200 range, that’s versus kind of 150s-ish over the last couple of years, 100-ish in the years prior to that. I think looking into 2021, you’re certainly going to come back into that historical range, so there was a bit of a spike this year. And with respect to who the affiliates are, I won't go into the names, but there’s a positive bias, if you will, on a lot of ways to our affiliate repurchases because it tends to be those businesses that have grown the most since the time we made the investment and therefore have had the best investment performance, have had the greatest inflows, have been the most successful that we tend to be buying back more of. So ultimately we end up owning more of some of our best businesses and we get to experience the cash flows of those businesses at very attractive valuations.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. I’ll just note that we did come into this period, as you will remember from the last call, with a significant pipeline of new investments and we still have that pipeline. Of course, we are taking a step back and making sure that we know what the forward view looks like. But the point I was trying to make and this really gets to the heart of the cash draws, we want to make sure that we were ready and we still want to make sure we’re ready in this environment to execute on really high-quality, partner owned new investments.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Carrier with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Mike Carrier

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning and thanks for taking the question. Just one more just in terms of the capital. Can you just run through your commitments over the next, say like, 12 and 24 months and how that stacks up relative to your cash flow and capital levels? And more importantly, like what it means with the amount of flexibility that you have for buybacks or strategic deals over that time.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks, Mike. Let me take that one I think because I’m going to take it at the higher level. Because, as Tom mentioned, we got through the kind of known recycling transactions that we just described, our forward outlook for cash outlay is going down with respect to the internal resources necessary in the business. So it really comes to pivoting to new investments. And if no additional growth opportunities, return of capital was really our main two choices over the short to medium term, I’d say given we do expect opportunity from new investments will be disciplined and careful in terms of that capital deployment, and we will and we do expect to do additional repurchases. But first and foremost we’re focused on being able to execute on new investments. Going up kind of one more level, we positioned ourselves to be able to execute on significant new investments with the way we handle our balance sheet. The revolver itself is a longer dated revolver. I think we have at least three years left on that revolver before we even would consider redoing it. And then when you look at the cash that’s generated from the business, the combination of those two, obviously let us execute on substantial new investment opportunities. The point that Tom had made earlier that for strategic reasons we would consider going above kind of our long-term capital structure level, we have done that in the past and frankly in the global financial crisis in the new investment activity. After that, we did bring our leverage ratio just to share, a touch below 3x. Those were levels of a much smaller company, but I think today we would be willing to go to say 2.5 to be able to execute on new investments. So we do have substantial capacity and substantial liquidity to do so.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Bedell

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Hope everyone’s safe and well also.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Thank you for your question, Brian. You as well.

Brian Bedell

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, thanks. So maybe to shift the topic over to your organic growth, maybe if you could just talk a little bit about the current rundown. I know that it may be difficult to sort of ring-fence that amount, but I would imagine that that is the risk to future outflows that’s ebbing. I think you said these strategies are now low single digit percentage of EBITDA. So maybe for the outlook into second quarter of 160 million EBITDA, what is your assumption on those quant strategies’ contribution in that quarter? And then if you can just give us a flavor of the flow outlook as we sort of come into second quarter whether we think we’re improving with a little bit more of a risk on the market here, at least in April?

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks, Brian. I’m going to let Tom make sure that I answer all of your questions, because I’m going to take it to the level of – maybe I’ll just talk about what we’re seeing with clients generally and then I’ll answer the question around quantitative strategies and contribution. As you probably are hearing in your own research, when you have these moments of uncertainty and asset dislocation, there's generally a number of stages that clients go through, and the first stage is a bit of a freezing of the market. And that is what we saw initially in, say, mid-March. We also had the additional complexity here of a new environment, a new work environment, a new operational environment, a work-from-home environment. So to some extent, it wasn't just freezing of the market. It was people getting readjusted with their home offices and communicating virtually, not physically and that happened across institutional and retail clients. Broadly speaking, we did see some derisking in retail as you would expect. Frankly, it wasn't as bad as we would have thought. On the institutional side, after we got through the work-from-home logistics, we actually saw some modest repositioning of assets which was favorable to our fundamental managers. As time has moved on, the environment has settled down a bit and we are seeing clients further adjust. Activity has picked up. We’ve seen closings on the illiquid side into April. We have seen some reallocation occur into our fundamental managers, especially those who have distinguish themselves during this period. I think one of the opportunities of volatility and dislocation of course is our ability through our affiliates to capitalize on the volatility. We have seen affiliates distinguished themselves in this environment. I think we named some of them in our prepared remarks.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Fannon with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Dan Fannon

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. So my question kind of dovetails with the outlook for new investments plus kind of capital return. And so just curious about the makeup of the pipeline today and I would assume closing or executing on new investment is difficult given the environment that we’re in. But as we kind of go through this year, if we do not see new investments, should we be thinking about increased repurchases beyond the 50 million you’ve quantified for the remainder of this year? And I guess one more on just the pipeline. Can you talk about the scope or size of potential new investments given the last couple of deals have been small in terms of AUM or can you kind of talk about the range of potential new investments you have in that pipeline currently? Thanks.

Jay Horgen

Analyst · Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks, Dan. So maybe I’ll take you back to the last quarter on the pre-COVID crisis call. Our pipeline had been gaining momentum as we had described. At that point, we were in advanced discussions with a number of high-quality prospects. One of them we obviously transacted, which was Comvest. And then we had a number of others in the latest stage of the pipeline. Those businesses do not go away. I will remind you of a story of Artemis which they were in our pipeline going into the global financial crisis and it took us about 18 months, but we ultimately transacted on that. So these things don’t go away and it really requires the environment to settle to make sure that as investors we are reflecting the forward look. And as partners get comfortable with that environment, they also are comfortable with the partnership because these are partnerships that are done over a generation, as I mentioned. And so they really don't go away because of market dislocation but market stability does help us come together as partners. We also think that new opportunities will be created in this environment, as shareholders, corporate sellers even reassess their strategic needs. So we want to be mindful of our whole opportunity set. It does take some time to develop and evolve. That’s why we’ll be patient with our capital. That said and just to clarify what Tom said is we do expect additional repurchases over the capital set aside for dividends even above just the 50 million level. The amount of course and the extent of it and the timing of it will depend on new investments, but we do expect additional repurchases.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the time we have allowed for questions. I’ll turn the floor back to Mr. Horgen for any final comments.

Jay Horgen

Analyst

Thank you all again for joining us this morning. While the environment has been challenging, difficult markets yield compelling opportunities. And we remain confident in our forward prospects and we’ll continue to actively position our business for future growth. I hope everyone remains safe and healthy and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.