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AMC Networks Inc. (AMCX)

Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 14, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to AMC Networks Inc. Fourth quarter earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Nicholas Seibert, VP of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you.

Nicholas Seibert

Management

Good morning, and welcome to the AMC Networks fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings conference call. Joining us this morning are Kristin Dolan, Chief Executive Officer, Patrick O'Connell, Chief Financial Officer, Kim Kelleher, Chief Commercial Officer, and Dan McDermott, President of Entertainment and AMC Studios. Today's press release is available on our website at amcnetworks.com. We will begin with prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for questions. Today's call may include certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. Please refer to AMC Networks SEC filings for a discussion of risks and uncertainties. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements made on this call. Today, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. The required definitions and reconciliations can be found in today's press release. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Kristin.

Kristin Dolan

Management

Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. Before we get into the call, I wanted to say that we've been focused on supporting our employees and creative partners in Los Angeles during the recent devastating fires. We're thankful for the heroic efforts of firefighters and first responders and recognize the long-term period of recovery and rebuilding that lies ahead for our people and the entire city. I also want to acknowledge the recent passing of our founder and longtime chairman, Charles Dolan. A visionary and industry icon who created businesses like Cablevision, HBO, and AMC Networks, Mr. Dolan always took a long-range view in business, building companies and shaping industries with a clear strategic vision. We have the privilege and responsibility of continuing that approach today and into the future as we execute on our core strengths and advantages and navigate the changing world of media. Now to our results. As we look back on the fourth quarter and full year 2024, I'm encouraged by our progress. Patrick will report on our financial results and outlook in greater detail, but I'm pleased to report that even in this uncertain and shifting environment, we achieved our full-year guidance for 2024. This includes consolidated revenue of $2.4 billion, consolidated AOI of $563 million, and most importantly, free cash flow of $331 million. Free cash flow generation has been strong. And today we are increasing our outlook to approximately $550 million of cumulative free cash flow over the 2024-2025 period. At a time when all media companies are facing challenges, our size, nimbleness, and independence allow us to move quickly to create new opportunities for ourselves and for our partners. Our innovative mentality is driving our approach to content creation, distribution, advertising, and new partnerships. This freedom…

Patrick O'Connell

Management

Thank you, Kristin. I'm pleased to report today that 2024 landed right where we said it would. As a nimble and innovative premium programmer, we've maintained focus on what is within our control despite a challenging linear environment. We are proud of the progress we've made over the last two years, including reorienting our business around free cash flow, investing in valuable world-class IP, and remaining focused on our balance sheet. We achieved our full-year guidance for 2024. Consolidated revenue was $2.4 billion. On an apples-to-apples basis, excluding 2023 revenue from 25/7 Media, Silo, Hulu return of rights, and 2024 revenue related to the one-time advertising revenue adjustments at AMC and I. Consolidated revenue decreased 6%. Consolidated operating loss was $40 million and included impairment and other charges of $400 million and restructuring charges of $49 million. Consolidated adjusted operating income was $563 million, and most importantly, delivered significant year-over-year free cash flow growth with free cash flow of $331 million. For the fourth quarter, consolidated revenue was $599 million. Consolidated operating loss was $254 million and included impairment and other charges of $303 million and restructuring charges of $43 million. Adjusted operating income was $129 million, and we generated free cash flow of $38 million. So now discuss our segment results. Domestic operations revenues decreased 9% to $2.1 billion for the full year and decreased 11% to $520 million for the fourth quarter. Subscription revenue decreased 5% for the full year and 4% for the fourth quarter. The decrease was primarily due to linear subscriber declines, resulting in a 13% decline in affiliate revenue for both the year and the quarter. This was partially offset by streaming revenue growth of 7% for the year and 8% for the quarter. We ended the year with 12.4 million streaming subs, representing…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Thomas Yeh with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Thanks so much. I wanted to ask about the free cash flow outlook in the context of your cash spending comments. The $930 million cash spend you put up, I think, in this year ended up being a little bit lower than the $1 billion you guided to. You spoke to further decreases in 2025. How much of that is timing versus just an increased focus on efficiency and your outlook updated in terms of how you see the, you know, the potential opportunity for putting new content to work in the system.

Patrick O'Connell

Management

Sure. Great. Hey, Thomas. It's Patrick. Thanks for the question. You know, our strategy remains the same, right, which is balancing investments in our programming with driving profitability in the business. Obviously, programming is our largest expense category. You know, we're extraordinarily focused on maintaining a portfolio of super high-quality scripted programming across, you know, linear streaming, etcetera. We continue to do that even as others have pulled back from the market. Frankly, the differentiator in many of our affiliate conversations. So the strategy has not changed. In terms of the specifics, pre-cap the cash programming spend came in a little bit lighter in 2024 than we have initially guided to. You know, this is us just being prudent. We're able to produce on a per-episode basis, you know, a little bit better than we expected. We've got some fantastic people internally who are taking available or taking advantage of all the tools available to produce efficiently. So we've been the beneficiary of that, and you know, we have also instituted a program where we're sharing more content across channels, platforms, etcetera. That's allowed us to sort of program the broader company a bit more efficiently. But we obviously remain committed to similar levels of cash programming spend going forward. So I would say, you know, efficiency was kind of the reason for the be quote unquote in 2024. Slight reductions in volume going forward, but not significant. We're producing at similar volumes going forward into 2025. The slight sort of decrease that I expect in cash programming for 2025 has to do with sort of those two factors, I would say. One, modest reductions in volume, but not anything dramatic. And then two, and you might appreciate this, there is a lag in our receipt of certain tax credit receivables. There's a bunch of them that are gonna hit in 2025. So those net out against our cash programming expenses. And that's driving part of the reduction in the year-over-year decline.

Kristin Dolan

Management

Okay. And yeah. Just wanted to just reiterate, and we were pretty specific about it in the script that the quality of the content that Dan and team continue to produce is, you know, it's very reassuring to see the attention we got on Netflix, the Oscar nod, you know, for Memoir, and just overall the response that we have and the engagement that we have to the shows that we're producing. And we've really been able to capitalize when shows like Daryl Dixon where we're filming in Spain or in France on tax efficiencies. We have some shows planned in Canada. We do a lot in Ireland. So we're really optimizing without in any way compromising the integrity and the quality of what's coming out of our shop.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Okay. Understood. That's helpful. And some nice momentum in the streaming subscriber growth continued into 4Q. Sounded like bundled partnerships helped, but also the Netflix licensing deal was a contributor as well. You maybe just tease out the balance of the contribution between those two and how we kinda see the outlook being supported in 2025 from a volume perspective in AMC Plus. And maybe the future of the targeted streaming services. And then if I could just squeeze one last one in and that same kind of context. Just a clarification on the guide. Is the Charter deal showing up in some allocated form between affiliate and streaming in terms of the subcomponents, Patrick, that you provided. Thank you.

Patrick O'Connell

Management

Enter. Great. Thanks, Thomas. Yeah. Listen. On the streaming subs, listen. We continue to have, you know, pretty good momentum across all of our services. And when you look at it, across the entire business, we had sort of the lowest churn or we had year-over-year declines in churn on a consolidated basis across the portfolio. So obviously, retaining subscribers, you know, kinda helps drive the numbers. We've also, as you pointed out, been the beneficiary of some fantastic kind of bundled arrangements. As Kristin talked about, you know, a lot, you know, we are very nimble, very flexible. We love the with others. We're highly complementary. Think it adds value into the ecosystem. It's great for consumers. It's obviously great for us in terms of being able to distribute products with a little bit less, you know, kinda hard marketing dollars. So those are very efficient go-to-market channels for us. You know, as we look forward into 2025, you know, we're expecting really healthy streaming revenue growth. That'll be driven by a lot of price action. But also kind of unit volume as well. So we're really excited about this momentum and I'd point out folks that if you unpack the guide, you'll notice that we've called out sort of flat subscription revenue year over year. So that implies, you know, almost $100 million of incremental streaming revenue here. Which is gonna essentially offset, you know, some of the speculative declines in your business. So super excited about that. In terms of the specific geography on the guide in terms of revenue, you should assume that, you know, that Charter deal is baked into the specific revenue line items that we gave. More to come on and end up with that. Importantly, that deal doesn't kick in until Q1, so we'll have more to say in terms of the details, in terms of subscribers, but you should just take the guided base style at this point. Charter deals baked in.

Kristin Dolan

Management

And just to add on the streaming equation, the partnerships that we're engaging in for bundles are important, but also our relationships with our wholesalers, so Amazon, Roku, Philo, other folks that we participate within tradition in addition to the traditional are really critical, and they are great partners in giving us data and insights around our subscribers and our utilization. So we're getting smarter and better at really identifying a privacy-compliant way who's watching what and how to engage with them in addition to the communications that are coming from their subscription provider. So if Amazon's talking to a customer, we know, but then we can supplement that conversation with specific sort of NOS and suggestions to keep the engagement level high. And then I'm particularly proud here of the team really learning and taking a page from sort of the Cablevision playbook on triple play and retention marketing that we're getting really sophisticated and smarter about retaining customers as opposed to just going after and spending, you know, subscriber acquisition money to bring them on board. So we're learning a lot and heavily, heavily focused on retention, which obviously will pay itself in the long run.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Appreciate you, bud. Thank you so much.

Patrick O'Connell

Management

Thanks, Thomas.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one one.

David Joyce

Analyst

Our next question comes from David Joyce with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.

David Joyce

Analyst

Thank you. Could you please provide some more color on what kind of lift in viewership and linear ad revenue that you are interpolating is probably coming from licensing your content to Netflix. And given you did say there's double-digit growth in digital advertising, just was wondering, you know, what it'll take to get that whole, you know, segment, including linear, to get closer to matching the connected TV ad growth. Thanks.

Kim Kelleher

Analyst

Sure. David, this is Kim Kelleher. Thanks for your question. I just clarify that the Netflix partnership is not ad-supported on platform even though our shows are distributed on both their ad tier and on their ad-free tier, they are distributed in a no-ad way. So there is well, just wanna clarify that one point. But to your next question, I do believe we are making great progress. The innovation we're doing in advertising which is really focused on three areas. It's to make our inventory more available to buy seamlessly, to use data as Kristin just talked about in targeting to make our inventory more valuable. And then last, packaging our inventory in a cross-platform way so that marketers can access our full scale of viewership at once regardless of how they watch TV. So, you know, we've mentioned on past calls, we've innovated with making our debut with industry-first biddable programmatic buying capabilities embedded across our linear networks. We have added AMC Plus ad-supported inventory to our cross-platform solutions. And that's been incredibly well received by the marketplace. We're adding a Shudder ad tier as Patrick just talked about in Q1. So that will add inventory as well. Sorry. I meant to say in fall. And then it's that way we package that inventory. Like, really delivering full genres to advertisers that are looking for targeted cohorts and audiences, really engaged fan communities, and it's working incredibly well. Most recently, as Kristin talked about in her remarks at the top, we launched outcomes. Our new performance product that's built into our Audience Plus insights and data targeting platform, and this allows advertisers to see campaign outcomes and optimize delivery in real-time. So what I'm saying is, cumulatively, we are making tracks towards leveling out the differential between the declining linear environment and the growth in our digital environment. Just gonna take a little bit of time.

David Joyce

Analyst

Yeah. Appreciate that. What I was looking for, I guess, was how are you interpolating your, you know, licensing to Netflix into what, you know, what, you know, kind of incremental viewership you're attracting on your linear properties, you know, like, the new seasons of what you've put on to via to Netflix, for example.

Kim Kelleher

Analyst

I think it's not so much, I guess, a direct correlation with linear, but would say, you know, what we're thrilled about is as we are launching the new seasons of these shows that were on Netflix prior, we're seeing significant increases in AMC Plus acquisition. Based on people watching the earlier seasons on Netflix. So we definitely see a strong correlation between they viewed it on the, you know, the massive platform that is Netflix, and then they're hungry for more so they come back to us and purchase AMC Plus to see the latest, which is exactly why we, you know, it's the Netflix effect that we talked about on the last call, and that's definitely has worked really well for us.

David Joyce

Analyst

Understood. And just one final thing if I could, please. On the content licensing, are there specific projects that are being sold to third parties like you did with Silo, Ergo, or is everything still going to be for your, you know, for your services first?

Dan McDermott

Analyst

Yeah. David, this is Dan McDermott. From the studio side. Currently, we're producing pretty much exclusively for our AMC-owned platforms right now. We do have a studio. We are able to produce for third parties when it's beneficial to us. And it makes financial sense. We do have a lot of interest in our studio content. So we're gonna be strategic and opportunistic as we go forward. And when it makes sense, you know, and we can generate revenue and it'll be accredited to the business, we'll explore those opportunities.

Patrick O'Connell

Management

And David, Patrick from the finance side. You'll recall the guide last year for 2024 was $225 million of run-rate content licensing revenue that was based on our current level of production. We're $250 million this year. Right? So I just want to did that help sort of contextualize, you know, the fact that, you know, one, we continue to produce at, you know, very healthy levels. And two, the market continues to be extraordinarily receptive to the programming that we're producing. So it was a net growth driver in 2024, and then we think it's gonna continue to be a tailwind.

David Joyce

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one one.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Nicholas Seibert for any closing remarks.

Nicholas Seibert

Management

Thank you all for joining us today. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.