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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Ambarella Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Ms. Deborah Stapleton, Investor Relations. Ms. Stapleton, you may begin.

Deborah Stapleton

Management

Thank you, Liz. Good afternoon and welcome to Ambarella’s second fiscal quarter 2019 financial results conference call. Thank you for joining us today. Our speakers will be Dr. Fermi Wang, President and CEO; Casey Eichler, CFO; and George Laplante, Executive Vice President. The primary purpose of today’s call is to provide you with information regarding our fiscal 2019 second quarter results. The discussion today and the responses to your questions will contain forward-looking statements regarding our projected financial results, financial prospects, market growth and demand for our solutions among other things. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Should any of these risks or uncertainties materialize or should our assumptions prove to be incorrect, our actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements. We are under no obligation to update these statements. These risks, uncertainties and assumptions as well as other information on potential risk factors that could affect our financial results are more fully described in the documents that we file with the SEC, including the Annual Report on Form 10-K that we filed on March 30, 2018 for the 2018 fiscal year and the Form 10-Q filed on June 8, 2018 for the first fiscal quarter 2019. Access to our second quarter results press release, historical results, SEC filings and a replay of today’s call can be found on the Investor Relations portion of our website. I will now turn the call over to Dr. Fermi Wang.

Fermi Wang

Management

Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Our Q2 fiscal year 2019 revenue was $62.5 million representing a decrease from $71.6 million in the same period over the prior year. Revenue from our target markets, including IP security camera and the OEM automotive car recorders grew year-over-year. Revenue from consumer applications, including sports, VR and the drone cameras continued to decline. And as you can see from our weak Q3 guidance, we expect revenue from these consumer applications to continue to be under pressure reflecting lower demand for non-GoPro sports camera, the VR market is remaining nascent and the drone market leader, DJI, mostly using its own silicon solutions. The limited size of this market combined with this market dynamics further reinforces our decision to focus on the growing IP security, automotive and the new robotic market opportunities. During the quarter, we continued to make steady progress on the development and the delivery of computer video solution based on our CVFlow architecture. We benchmarked our CVFlow SoC against competing solutions for our primary silicon competitors running leading public domain neural networks. This benchmark showed that we have a significant performance and the power advantages versus competing camera SoCs, application processors and the GPU-based solutions. The efficiency of our CVFlow architecture also gives us a big die size advantage. When combined with the major advances in our image processing in the highly efficient video encoding, we believe our new CVFlow SoCs are very well positioned to win in our target markets. We have now released our CVFlow software developed kits, supporting our new CV2 and the CV22 SoCs, including tools for the optimization of a Convolutional Neural Network over to our customers. Customer feedback has been very positive in terms of the CV performance power consumption and the programming flexibility. In many…

Kevin Eichler

Management

Thank you, Fermi. I am excited to join Ambarella and I look forward to working with Fermi and the entire Ambarella team. George built an excellent team and has demonstrated tremendous leadership while at Ambarella. I appreciate the opportunity to work with him over the next month, while he transitions to a new chapter in life. With that, I will turn it over to George to go through our Q2 results and Q3 guidance.

George Laplante

Management

Thank you, Casey and good afternoon everyone. Today, I will review the financial highlights for the second quarter of fiscal 2019 ended July 31, 2018 as well as the financial outlook for Q3 fiscal year 2019 and update the outlook for the full fiscal year. During the call, I will discuss non-GAAP results and ask that you refer to today’s press release for a detailed reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results. For non-GAAP reporting for Q2, we have eliminated stock-based compensation expense adjusted for the impact of taxes. In line with our previous guidance, our Q2 2019 revenue totaled $62.5 million, which represents a decrease of 12.8% from the $71.6 million of revenue in the same period of the prior year. Non-GoPro revenue declined in the quarter by approximately 8.3% from the $67.9 million in the previous year. In Q2, we saw year-over-year growth in IP security and auto OEM offset by a substantial decline in revenues from drones and wearables which also includes non-GoPro sports and VR cameras. In IP security, year-over-year growth was led by consumer security revenues, while professional security revenues were flat. Solid revenue increases from OEM automotive video recorders in Japan and China resulted in year-over-year growth for the auto market. Consumer drone revenues in the quarter were down substantially from last year with the majority of our revenue coming from the new Parrot drones and the high-end from DJI. Wearables declined from last year as we experienced weak sales across most consumer categories that we believe are due to weak end-market demand. Non-GAAP gross margin for Q2 was 61.4% compared to 61.8% in the preceding quarter. Gross margins continued to reflect the shift in market mix to lower margin, China security revenues, and a drop in higher margin drone and wearable camera revenues. Non-GAAP…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Kevin Cassidy with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. And congrats George on your retirement and great working with you and welcome Casey. My first question is on the CV devices, do you have any estimate yet of when you might see the first revenue for your CV devices?

Fermi Wang

Management

Yes. So Kevin, this is Fermi, we too believe that we will see our first CV revenue from IP security camera in the first half of next year, and in fact we are tracking the progress very well. Like I said, we have several design activities with several international professional IP security cameras at this point. And with the progress, we do believe that we have a chance that -- to deliver first CV revenue in the first half of next year.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Okay, great. And on the automotive, you have mentioned some delays in product ramps, is that related to the three way camera systems, maybe from Gentex?

Fermi Wang

Management

No, it’s for the – I think I think you are referring to what George said about second half auto revenue. I think that’s really related to our recorder business in Japan. There are some product delays, and there is promotion by one of our key customer. They delayed the promotion, so I think we started seeing some drop on the forecast on our auto recorder side, but I don’t think that’s a long-term effect.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Okay. And maybe if I can, let me just follow-up with Gentex, is there a forecast from Gentex yet ?

Fermi Wang

Management

We haven’t talked about Gentex forecast yet. We are working with E-Mirror solution three-channel E-Mirror solution with Gentex today. And like I have said, our first 3-channel E-Mirror revenue came from China, and we haven’t given any guidance on the Gentex revenue yet.

Kevin Cassidy

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Joe Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you. I have one shorter-term question and one longer-term question. In terms of the quarter that you are guiding for, can we just get a sense for how much consumer business is left there versus the surveillance and automotive, and I guess as you think out to next year, I feel like surveillance and automotive should both grow, and so I guess could we be getting close to the end of these consumer headwinds, just give us a ballpark of that exposure?

George Laplante

Management

Yes. I think if you look at second half and the year in total, I would think security in total is going to be at least 60% of revenue. And then, auto will be in the low-20s, so that leaves wearable and a little bit of infrastructure for the remainder. So, yes it’s getting to a relatively small percentage of our revenue at this point.

Joe Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Okay, that’s helpful. And then longer term, when I think about the automotive opportunity, I feel like a lot of people think that you guys are sort of competing directly with big companies like Nvidia and yet it seems like when we talk to people who both at Ambarella and other places who are working on this that there is opportunity for you to co-exist with some of those existing solutions, and I think you might think that’s the right way and is there a role for sort of multiple vendors and for you to sort of do perception offload in those vehicles that are already established prototype customers for people like Nvidia?

Fermi Wang

Management

Right. So, for you referring to the – we competing with Nvidia is really referring to the market levels 2 to Level 5 autonomous driving, because for the front camera ADAS category, I don’t think that we are competing with Nvidia on there. So let’s focus on Level 2 to Level 5 at this point. I think for that particular market, because we are offering a really flexible open perception platform, we are focusing perception module at this point, and we have shown our customer that not only we have a much better CNN performance for power per watt and also that we can do a very high quality video processing, high performance CNN performance, and that really helped our position to become a perception solution provider for those Level 2 to Level 5 guys . Of course, in the long run, we want to have a complete solution, but today with the CV2 and CV22, we are really providing a perception solution for those customers and being well received, and I will say that we have several very serious engagements in this autonomous vehicle category right now. And I also want to add another point, which is in the front camera ADAS category, where Nvidia is not now there, I think our main competitor is really Mobileye. And in fact, in order to accelerate the time to market, we kind of focus on customer and partners that are developing their own algorithms. And so, we are really a hardware and platform supplier and working with Tier 1 or OEMs with their own algorithm or third-party algorithm to enable their front ADAS cameras in this category, and we have made a significant progress with several OEM Tier 1 projects and engaged in that evaluation with multiple other parties globally. So really that – if you look at these two markets separately, the front camera ADAS category as well as the Level 2 to Level 5 side, I think both have made progress.

Joe Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

And then just to clarify that, I mean the perception module that you are talking about, I mean you actually in some cases could be sitting alongside in video and complementing the functionality of Nvidia solution?

Fermi Wang

Management

That’s correct. In fact, I think some of our engagement is in that kind of category.

Joe Moore

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks so much.

Fermi Wang

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ross Seymore with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Hi guys. Thanks for letting me ask a couple of question, and George thanks again for all the help over the years and welcome onboard Casey. I guess the first question, in the near term, George you updated the full-year guidance, the implied fourth quarter is down kind of I don’t know 5%, 10% quarter-over-quarter again. I suspect the same general trends would be the reason for that incremental dropdown, but just wanted to confirm is it a continuation of the trends and nothing more specific to the core IP security and auto businesses?

George Laplante

Management

That’s correct. Actually, the wearable section is causing decline to the whole second half. Actually, in Q4, when you take out GoPro revenue from last year, the decline year-over-year in non-GoPro revenue is going to be less than it was in Q3, so a smaller decline in Q4.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Got it. And then I guess switching over to the CV side of things and maybe you just want to talk in the first half of next year or even more long-term, but Fermi as we think about the implications of what that can bring, I know there’s a couple different end markets that you guys are targeting, but if I recall correctly from some of your prior comments, there is a good ASP uplift as that business rolls through as well, can you just talk about how we should think generally about that mix between units and ASPs in the various markets, and is it fair to assume that the ASPs being higher is a good proxy for it being a tailwind to gross margins or is there a COGS dynamic within those CV chips that makes that a poor assumption?

Fermi Wang

Management

Right. So, I think that both CV22 and CV2 will increase our ASP dramatically, and we -- although we are just starting engaging on the price negotiations with our customers, our feeling is CV22 will be 2x to 3x higher than our current average ASPs in the security camera market, and CV2 is probably even higher than that. And from a gross margin point of view, I think we are targeting to having the gross margin stay within our corporate gross margin.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

And it’s still that 59% to 62% range, I believe?

Fermi Wang

Management

That’s correct.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Got it. And then I guess the last question just bringing in the whole tariff dynamic in and thank you for your detailed comments on that, but is the biggest risk here that the non-China based folks just don’t offset the China based folks in the near-term or do you believe that what DJI is doing etcetera, bringing it in-house is something that could occur outside of the drone market and occur in the IP security side of the equation as well if in fact tariffs would be something that would be a catalyst for those companies to move that direction?

George Laplante

Management

Yes. I think the impact on the, let’s say the U.S. government ban is going to be relatively small in the second half, a little bit more in the near-term as cancellations will be in the books before actual shipments into the new customer. Longer term, I actually think it will benefit revenue. First of all, our ASPs are higher to the non-Chinese customers, so they will be fulfilling demand at a higher ASP and a higher margin, so I think there is some longer-term benefit. In addition to that, I believe the view of the high silicon chip outside China is becoming more negative, so that becomes less of even our competitor in the marketplace outside China. So, I think that will also benefit us.

Fermi Wang

Management

Well, in terms of our customer continue to do their own silicon, I think that’s a trend, a lot of silicon companies are taking on because the DJI and GoPro, their ASP is so high, in fact we know that we have a much cheaper, smaller die size and much better product, but they don’t really need to care about die size. But we come to a competitive market that -- and IP can’t – I knew that Hikvision and Dahua has to have working on their chip, but through all years, we continued to be their supplier. So, I won’t rule out the possibility that our customer continued to work on it, that’s something we continue to deal with, but I think when the CV chip comes out, we’ll really raise our bar at this time, when people catch up our video only solutions, I think that CV will create a bar for us to provide us our barriers of entry for a while.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Thanks Fermi. One quick housekeeping one for George and you provided a lot of details about the taxes currently and looking backwards, but if we think looking forward on a pro forma basis, how should we think of the tax rate?

George Laplante

Management

I think the tax rate will probably, if I was to estimate it now, it’s probably around the 10% level for next year. For the rest of this year, probably slightly below that.

Ross Seymore

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Perfect. Thanks and congrats again George.

George Laplante

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Ramsay with Cowen. Your line is now open.

Matt Ramsay

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Thank you very much everybody. Good afternoon, I want to follow-up on some stuff that Ross was just asking about guidance with respect to the security market, maybe you could sort of remind us what the mix of that business is today both Chinese customers versus Western customers or maybe camera shipped into the China market versus cameras externally, however you want to divide it up, I think just level setting those mixes within the business would be helpful to investors? Thanks.

George Laplante

Management

Yes. I think the mix right now we can just use dollars it’s probably about 55% into China customers, 45% into sales into non-Chinese customers.

Matt Ramsay

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Got it. That’s helpful. Just to kind of level set that. And then a question that I guess I get most often now from investors is really around the CV engagement in the automotive market, you guys have obviously done some demonstrations at the Analyst Day around some driving platforms and there has been lots of discussion about engagement, but I think investors are just looking for some more formal engagement announcements with partners in Tier 1s. And maybe you could update us on what kind of timelines we should expect around more formal engagement announcements that and sort of give some guideposts to where investors are thinking about timelines for revenue in the automotive space? Thank you.

Fermi Wang

Management

So, like I said, since we already have some significant progress with some of the OEM, Tier 1 discussion on ADAS as well as some engagements in autonomous vehicle, we are still targeting to have some announcement at end of year. That’s our target right now. And in terms of revenue, in fact, it’s going to take a while. We start working on recorder business for OEMs 3 years ago and we start seeing revenues just last year. So, just showing you even a relatively simple solution like a recorder take 2 years in China to be in production, so we expect that CV will take longer. However, I do believe that the requirement and performance requirement and the power consumption limitation in the automotive space will benefit us, and we assume that we have a very significant advantage with our solutions. So I remain very optimistic about our chance to making into market.

Matt Ramsay

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you for that, Fermi. And then just the last one I could sneak in, George, you had talked about sort of the new guidance range for this year and it seems like the majority of the consumer businesses will be out of the run-rate here exiting the year, is it too early or is there an opportunity here to sort of set expectations for where you guys are forecasting the business for fiscal ‘20 just on the top line to 50 folks level set on expectations that will be really helpful? Thank you.

George Laplante

Management

Yes, I think it’s a little early to do that. We really need to get a handle on launch of the new products in the first half and then once we understand this little better, I think it will be better to wait until those facts are in – or at least a better picture of those facts before we talk about next year. But as you said pretty much most of the consumer business will be down to a minimal level by the end of the year, so we will be running pretty much a high percentage of security business, 60% plus, plus 20% plus in the auto space.

Matt Ramsay

Analyst · Cowen. Your line is now open.

Got it. Thank you very much and good luck with the Golf game, George.

George Laplante

Management

Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Suji Desilva with ROTH Capital. Your line is now open.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Your line is now open.

Alright, guys. George, I am not going to comment on your Golf game. Casey, welcome and hey, Fermi. So, in terms of the end-market for the CV products, I am wondering how you would size the addressable market for auto versus non-auto and if the robotic security camera portion of CV might come in sooner than the auto opportunities?

George Laplante

Management

Well, first of all, I think IP security camera will come first. I think the industrial machine learning type of robotic application will come second and the auto will come last. In terms of the size, I really think security camera because of the audio cumulates, the total market size is more than 100 million units already. And based on our conversation with customer, they have different expectations, but I won’t be surprised that as soon as the very cost effective CV based security camera be available in the market. The transition from current video-only solution to CV based solution won’t be fast, because it remains real and there is real use for those kinds of CV function. So I think that we are expecting a quick transition from video-only solution to CV for security camera. And for the robotic application, I think you can see that there are many companies working on it, several companies is big enough to generate meaningful revenue at this point, but however, we do believe that this is a great opportunity for us because our CV2 back definitely then was the highest possible performance. And also that – and also we have stereo processing which is important for machine learning as well as the CNN performance and power consumption. So I do believe that industrial level robotics or even robotics by consumer level is a huge opportunity for us moving forward.

George Laplante

Management

Yes. Just one comment on robotics, I mean since our launch of the CV2 chip, now we have been able to actually start engaging in discussions with robotics companies. So I think the initial response is positive. And I think the architecture of what we are delivering fits their need.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Your line is now open.

Interesting, are you seeing revenues already for CV from IP security cameras or is that – if not when will that be coming?

George Laplante

Management

First half of next year as we have said in the past, it’s still on target.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Your line is now open.

Got it. And then let me, more a technical question in terms of the software and how you provided that with the CV, are you guys – do you guys have your own software stacks? You are allowing customers to have fast time to market or you entirely relying on customers software stacks and allowing programmability or is it a hybrid approach I was curious I heard some comments and remarks, any clarification?

Fermi Wang

Management

In one sentence, it is hybrid, but let me be more clear, if you take all the neural network first, if it’s just camera by itself, we provide complete software stacks so that customers can leverage without wasting too much of their time to build the camera, right. For the neural network portion we have our tools to help customer their neural network for other platforms to our inference engine on our chip. And that’s how we helped several customers already and have many customers already to put their network on our chip, that’s how we confirm our performance not only running the public domain neural network but running customer neural network. However we also have our in-house neural networks, the development of that is tracking proof of the concept we have very high performance, lower power solution and if customer choose for using our neural network we will sell them as a complete turnkey solution, but that’s not our main business model. Our main business model is to using our HDK, helping our customer build camera and helping them to put their own neural networks on to our platform, that’s our key business model.

Suji Desilva

Analyst · ROTH Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. I appreciate the clarification. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks. And George just wanted to say it’s been a pleasure working with you and welcome Casey. George just wanted to come back if you look at the third quarter guidance, I don’t know if I caught this, if you mentioned it, but both security and auto be up year-over-year?

George Laplante

Management

I believe auto will be flat, but security will be up.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then you have mentioned a couple of times that the consumer business is probably down to an immaterial level by the end of January quarter, do you guys have any sense of what fiscal ‘20 might hold I mean is that a market that you expect to rebound, do you think for modeling purposes we should just assume that it stays at an immaterial level, any thoughts just directionally how that business may or may not recover in calendar ‘19?

George Laplante

Management

Yes. The business is running will be the non-security and auto business. So taking those two out you are going to be running other businesses in the high teens maybe 20% of revenue. I don’t see it expanding from that base and even if the revenue dollars stayed flat they would probably will be start declining as a percent of overall revenue as we roll out CV next year.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Just a clarification George, it sounds like it may be high teens for those businesses in fiscal ‘19, but your exit rate is going to be likely in single digits, correct?

George Laplante

Management

No, it will be higher than that in Q4, still be – it will still be in the teens in Q4. But what I am saying is as the dollar value I don’t see that expanding going forward. So to become the percent of revenue will decline next year as the other markets expand in CV.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Got it. And then just trying to come back to the professional security market, you talked about a very nice ASP increase on the CV22 family of 2x to 3x increase relative to the current video processors your shipping today. What percent of the professional security market you think will be able to afford that kind of price premium. I mean, are you talking about selling that CV22 really only into say the high 10% to 20% of the market or you think you can see better penetration? And then a follow-on question is you sort of hinted at a third 10-nanometer phase-out of a cost reduced chip. Is that cost reduced chip for the security camera market and will that help drive adoption of CV in the security market as Fermi alluded to in the previous question? Thanks.

Fermi Wang

Management

Correct. First of all, I think the percentage of penetration is really depends on how aggressive our customer want to price their camera. And then with our CV22 ASP, I do think that you're performing to the category probably top 20% of the market right now based on the current market price of security camera system price. But you are absolutely right to that we are expanding our performance price point by taping out another 10-nanometer chip, because we do expect that for us to continue to expand our transition from the video to CV solution, our customer will demand lower price, but competitive solution that we need to be prepared for that.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Fermi, just for that new 10-nanometer price, I assume that, that will still carry some ASP premium to your current video processor, is it just probably not going to carry a 2x to 3x premium, is that a fair assessment?

Fermi Wang

Management

That’s correct.

Quinn Bolton

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Adam Gonzalez with Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.

Adam Gonzalez

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to focus in on the first half ‘19 revenues for CV and security, just wondering if you could perhaps quantify what the impact will be if those revenues will ramp into the rest of the year and if you could just give us a rough percentage of what CV will be as a percentage of security next year? Thanks.

George Laplante

Management

I think it’s a little too early to do that until we get the launch dates and determine how many cameras each of the customers are going to build and launch. I think we would have better visibility towards the fourth quarter of this year to be able to view that kind of data.

Adam Gonzalez

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then on OpEx, just can you remind us, I don’t know if you put this number out there, but what percentage of your OpEx or R&D do you spend on CV development?

George Laplante

Management

Yes, that’s been increasing. The last number we gave it was around 60% of our engineering dollars are spent on CV and/or auto. And I think this year that will shift probably closer to 70% to 75% of our engineering dollars will be shifted over there.

Adam Gonzalez

Analyst

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Charlie Anderson with Dougherty. Your line is now open.

Charlie Anderson

Analyst · Dougherty. Your line is now open.

Yes, thanks for taking my questions and my congrats on George as well and welcome, Casey. Great to hear about the CV wins on the security camera side, I wonder given the split you mentioned with China, non-China, do you have any China customers among those wins? And then I have got a follow-up.

George Laplante

Management

Yes. Actually, we are being very successful in China with the CV products. They are probably ahead of the non-Chinese customers as far as end camera product development and testing. Right now, outside of China, we have multiple customers in evaluation and starting to build cameras, but China actually is ahead of non-China customers.

Charlie Anderson

Analyst · Dougherty. Your line is now open.

Great. And then for my follow-up, Fermi, you mentioned that 10x faster processing, I wonder if you could maybe help us with how you are defining that, is that image recognition kind of thing and is that based of CV2 and then as you are comparing it, what we are we comparing to is that the HiSilicon chip, are we also talking about Nvidia and internal solutions, add more color there would be helpful? Thanks.

Fermi Wang

Management

We compare to HiSilicon, we compare to other GPU-based solutions, we compare to [indiscernible] that has been the frontrunner in the IP security for CV in the past and we also compare with some of the traditional automaker guys who has shipping some kind of DSP-based solution out there. And the way we compare is twofold, one is running some public domain neural network on our CV22 or CV2 and also running the same network on those platforms I mentioned if we can get access to it. So for example, if platforms out there you can buy, then you can run the same network and then you also – because some platform has public domain information about the performance, we can collect all of that to benchmark ourselves. That’s one portion of the data we collect. The other data collection is really that our customer doing similar evaluation based on the same neural network, the public domain network running our platform and our competitor platforms [indiscernible] and we collect some of the results from that, get feedback on that . The third thing we did is really we also help our customer port their own network running on CV2, CV22 compared to the same network and the customer network running under existing hardware platform based on the other competitive solutions. So we collect all the data and when I say 10 times and [indiscernible] comparing to CV22 and CV2 is even higher, better advantage over there.

Charlie Anderson

Analyst · Dougherty. Your line is now open.

Excellent. That sounds great. Thanks so much.

Fermi Wang

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Shannon with Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Well, George, congratulations on retirement, Casey, I look forward to working with you. I guess my first question will be on consumer security, since I don’t think there has been any real questions on this, I think you talked about some growth in that business and talking about some growth outside of the United States and if you can give us a sense first in terms of scale in that business, talked about security being I think roughly 60% a little bit more, maybe give us a sense of how big consumer is? And then what kind of growth path can that deliver, is that a 10% grow a little faster and could we see some contributions even outside the U.S. and Europe?

George Laplante

Management

Well, I will take the split and then I will let me Fermi talk about the outside of the U.S. Right now, it’s about one-third consumer cameras, two-thirds professional cameras, and that’s based on dollars. And then I will answer the other one. As far as expansion of the home security market, we are actually starting to see Europe. We have several as Fermi announced in essence, we have several customers in Europe now are starting to market the products into the home there. So, we think that will help growth in that marketplace. We still don’t have really clear visibility in Asia, but we do know both Hikvision and Dahua are producing home security cameras we just don’t have necessarily a good split as to professional versus home security. So, we think that marketplace can continue to grow and will be – the growth will be assisted by some geographic expansion in customers.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Okay, perfect. I will ask one more question, jump out of line. You talked about fairly fast transition within the IP professional security market from non-CV to CV solutions, any sense of how fast you expect that to be and do you expect that to happen with virtually all the kind of the other top Tier 1 OEMs out there?

Fermi Wang

Management

Well, I think you get different feeling when you talk to different customers. I will say that our Chinese customers are the most aggressive one, because they have real demand to switching for the current video-only solution to CV1. When you talk to our international customers, among Chinese customers, some of them are very aggressive, some of them will be behind, because they think that they can use different ways to solve these problems, for example using cloud. So that’s become more controversial discussion for the CV solution, but nonetheless and just, for example, Hikvision has been telling in their own conference call saying they are shipping 1 million units over CV based camera today and that one is very high-priced compared to the current – very, very high-priced compare to what they are selling right now. So, that just give you an indication at that kind of price, they still try to push media units of CV based security cameras in China, but that show you that there is real demand for these kind of functionalities.

George Laplante

Management

I think one thing we have to take into consideration is also the Chinese government who are pushing very heavily for more and more information. And security cameras are one of the areas they are pushing and computer vision helps actually develop some of the data they would like to collect. So, I think one of the reasons there is more acceptance in China is because of government push to install these cameras.

Richard Shannon

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Okay, that is helpful. Thank you. That’s all for me.

Operator

Operator

I am showing no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Dr. Fermi Wang for closing remarks.

Fermi Wang

Management

Thank you. And I would like to thank all of our colleagues for their outstanding effort to deliver our CV platform so that we can establish ourselves a competitor in the space. Thank you very much. And I will talk to you next time.

Operator

Operator

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