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Q4 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 12, 2009

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Analysts

Management

Stephen Chin – UBS James Covello – Goldman Sachs [Chris Ransick] – JP Morgan Atif Malik – Morgan Stanley Kirsh Sankar – Banc of America Merrill Lynch Steve O’Rourke – Deutsche Bank [Peter Rice – Global Crown] Patrick Ho – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc. Weston Twigg – Pacific Crest Securities Gary Hsueh – Oppenheimer & Co. Mehdi Hosseini – Freidman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Edwin Mok – Needham & Company Mahesh Sanganeria – RBC Capital Markets [Agadesh Ire – Argus Research] Matthew Petkun – D. A. Davidson & Co.

Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Applied Materials Q4 and fiscal 2009 yearend conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in listen only mode. Afterwards, you will be invited to participate in a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, November 11, 2009. Please note that today’s call will contain forward-looking statements which are all statements other than those of historical fact including statements regarding Applied’s performance, cost structure, strategic position and initiative, products, operational improvements, growth opportunities, restructuring plans and Q1 and 2010 targets as well as industry outlooks. All forward-looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. Information concerning these risk factors is contained in today’s earnings press release and in the company’s filings with the SEC. Forward-looking statements are based on information as of November 11, 2009 and the company assumes no obligation to update such statements. Today’s call also contains non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures to GAAP measures are contained in today’s earnings release or in our financial highlights slide which are on the investor page of our website at www.AppliedMaterials.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Sullivan, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Michael Sullivan

President

Our earnings release was issued at 1:05 Pacific time over business wire. You can also find a copy of the release and the related slide presentation on our investor relations website on www.AppliedMaterials.com. Joining me today are Mike Splinter, our Chairman and CEO; George Davis, our Chief Financial Officer; and Joe Sweeney, our General Counsel and Corporate Secretary. Today we’ll discuss the results for our fourth quarter and our 2009 fiscal year that ended on October 25th. We will also talk about our strategic actions and our business outlook for the current quarter and fiscal year. We have a lot of information to share with you today and we’ll do our best to deliver it quickly and make time for your questions. With that, I’ll hand the call over to Mike Splinter.

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Applied Materials returned to profitability in Q4 achieving sales and earnings growth that exceeded our expectations. We saw progress across the company with sequential growth in orders, sales and operating profit in every segment. Notably our semiconductor business is in the early phase of a recovery with gross margins exceeding 50% in the quarter demonstrating the strength of the business model. SSG is positioned to drive further profits as WFE expands in 2010. Our operations team responded well to the ramp in demand enabling the company to increase sales by 35% and generate operating cash flow of $241 million. Reviewing ’09 results, I’m pleased to say we made excellent progress on our strategic objectives for the year. Last November at the onset of the global financial crisis we moved rapidly to lower our cost structure with a program that created $460 million in annualized savings. We aggressively managed working capital maintaining the financial strength to invest for growth. We grew share in our semiconductor equipment business let by gains in inspection, Epi and PVD. We grew our solar revenue by 40% year-over-year and took significant steps towards profitability. We made substantial investments in our future with more than $900 million in R&D that resulted in new products across each of our markets. Applied was recognized as the number one equipment supplier across semiconductors, LCD displays a now solar PV. Each of our segments represents a substantial growth opportunity for Applied. Our business in multiple industries differentiates us from our competitors giving us unique opportunities for growth and scale. I want to thank the entire Applied team for their extraordinary contributions during a very challenging yet productive year. They focused on satisfying on our customers’ needs and on meeting the ambitious goals we set. Over the past two years we’ve witnessed…

George S. Davis

Management

Applied completed a challenging fiscal year with a solid fourth quarter including revenue and earnings well above our targets. We enter our new fiscal year with momentum in our highest margin businesses and a strong operating model and improved market share. First, let me summarize our full year performance in a very difficult 2009. We had orders of $4.1 billion which were down 55% from 2008 and net sales of $5 billion which were down 38%. We reported a GAAP net loss of $305 million or $0.23 per share. We were profitable for the year on a non-GAAP basis earning $37 million or $0.03 per share. We took early action on cost reductions and surpassed our objective of $400 million of structural cost savings by 15%. In addition, we have $340 million in annualized savings from temporary cost measures related to employee salary and variable compensation. Approximately 70% of those temporary savings were in op ex with the remainder in cost of goods. We began these temporary cost measures in the latter half of 2008 and approximately two thirds of those savings were already in effect by the end of Q4 ’08. Beginning in fiscal Q1 2010, we have eliminated shutdowns other than our normal holiday shutdowns and will resume accruing for variable compensation. This will result in an increase in Q1 op ex versus Q4 as the anticipated savings from our new actions will not fully offset these added costs until later in the program. We generated $333 million of operating cash flow in 2009 and ended the year with cash and investments of $3.3 billion. Looking at our businesses in 2009, SSG and AGS revenue bottomed in our second fiscal quarter and both segments returned to operating profitability in the second half of the year. Revenue in our…

Michael Sullivan

President

To help us reach as many of you as we can, please ask just one question and no more than brief follow up. Operator, let’s begin.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Stephen Chin – UBS. Stephen Chin – UBS: A question on the linearity for the fiscal 2010 sales, it looks like fiscal 2010 sales are pretty heavily front end loaded here with conservatism built in to the second half of the year. Is that the right way to think of it? And, just as a follow on, can you share any color on normalized operating margin targets after this restructuring?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I’ll try to answer your question on linearity Steven and then let George answer the question on targets. I think it’s very hard for us to tell what’s going to happen in the second half of the year at this point. I think we’re pleased to see what we perceive as strength in the first half of the year and have it be pretty broad based and particularly with upticks from foundries and DRAM makers. Now, how strong it will be in the second half, I really think that depends on how the market goes in the first half and how strong we think the economy is as we head in to selling season next year.

George S. Davis

Management

Steven, on the margins I would say that we still see 2010 as a period of recovery. We obviously are very pleased with the structural changes that we have made in our cost structure over the past two years we think that’s going to serve our business model well and when we get back in to a normalized environment we certainly expect to be back at the 20% to 25% plus margins for the company overall.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from James Covello – Goldman Sachs. James Covello – Goldman Sachs: I guess if I could focus first on silicon systems group and of the top 10 customers in SSG, with the guidance that you gave for the first quarter, how would you characterize the top10 customers? Are most of them active now, are half of them active or only a few of them active again, kind of thinking about the top 10?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Most of them are active now to some degree. I would say the top five are certainly very active and account for a big part, certainly substantially more than 50% of the revenue in SSG. James Covello – Goldman Sachs: Do you think they can continue to grow or would you expect them to stay at that higher level and further growth be dependent upon the rest of the top 10 and beyond the top 10 coming in?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I think really the issue is when do the memory guys get in the capacity expansion? Today, it’s primarily technology transition and that’s about all we’re seeing out of the memory guys. Just to kind of give you an idea, we estimate something close to a million memory wafers are going to move from one node to the next. That combines DRAM and NAN. While we’ll have maybe 10% of that number in capacity expansions so we’ve got to see bit growth higher than it is in both DRAM and NAN to really drive some substantial additional capacity expansion.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Satya Kumar – Credit Suisse. Satya Kumar – Credit Suisse: George, how should we think about the pace of the cost reduction in fiscal 2010? And, why did you not guide EPS also for fiscal 2010?

George S. Davis

Management

I think we’re very confident that earnings will be up strongly in line with the growth in revenues. So, we certainly feel good about the earnings outlook for 2010. We think there’s a lot of mix issues that still have to be sorted out over time. We’ll certainly update our views and help people sort that through but in general I think people can see that over the past year and really two years, we’ve taken substantial structural costs out so as you model the growth rates and we’re saying significant growth rates in display and SSG over that time period there will be a lot of earnings leverage to the upside in 2010. Satya Kumar – Credit Suisse: On EES, the last time you provide the guidance for breakeven or better in solar you had not yet announced the restructuring. Now that you have and also the run rate in EES is clearly higher than your billion dollar guidance for fiscal 2010, why not a better profitability target in the EES?

George S. Davis

Management

We think that this is the right forecast for EES right now. As we said, there’s still some uncertainty in their end markets because of what we’re seeing in the crystalline silicon area so we think breakeven or better operating is still the right forecast.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from C. J. Muse – Barclays Capital. C. J. Muse – Barclays Capital: I guess the first question is just to clarify in terms of EES breakeven or better in fiscal ’10, George you’re talking about operating levels so I guess if we want to think about it on a GAAP basis excluding stock comp and the amortization on the M&A side, what kind of run rate could we see?

George S. Davis

Management

When we say operating basis remember going forward that we’re not going to include stock ops in expenses so you don’t have to adjust for that. Really, we’re talking about approximately $50 million of M&A related charges that we expect to see in 2010 that we would take out. C. J. Muse – Barclays Capital: Then just if I could clarify also, on the EPS guidance of $0.10 to $0.14, does that include stock-based comp?

George S. Davis

Management

Yes, it includes everything accept for the restructuring charges. C. J. Muse – Barclays Capital: Then I guess the meaty question on the restructuring side, how should we think about I guess the base level? You’ve talked about op ex lower over 18 months by about $62 million plus, COGS by $50 million. I guess what’s the kind of baseline rate we should think of as a starting point and then see the reductions thereafter?

George S. Davis

Management

I think ongoing op ex coming out of FY ’09 was about $1.6 billion and you had roughly $50 or $60 million of what we would call temporary op ex in there so if you adjust for that that is a reasonable starting point. Again, we took out in the plan last year, we took about $310 million of what I would call structural op ex costs and so roughly $80 million a quarter came out of our run rate.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from [Chris Ransick] – JP Morgan. [Chris Ransick] – JP Morgan: I wanted to kind of get an idea of how long it’s going to take for you to start capitalizing on the purchase of Advent Solar?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I think that will really be 2011 before we see real meaningful sales from that technology. We need to finish up the development of the capability and then get it in to the marketplace. So, I think before we see meaningful output is 2011. [Chris Ransick] – JP Morgan: Then kind of again on solar, I think Mike you indicated you thought volume growth our install capacity for solar would be up more than 40% in the next year. I wanted to understand your view of the German subsidy reduction risk when you put that number out there?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I think this risk has been overblown. I believe that when you look at what will happen in Germany next year, I think it will be flat to up and then increases in Italy, China and the US will drive the rest of the upside.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Atif Malik – Morgan Stanley. Atif Malik – Morgan Stanley: You guys mentioned that the foundries have been a big contributor to the Silicon strength in the last three quarters and 37% foundry orders is probably the highest we have seen for Applied in a long time. [Inaudible] spending at $1 billion, $1.2 billion [inaudible] so my question is if foundries trend starts to come down in the first half and memory capacity orders are not back, could we see a scenario where we could see overall orders start to come down in first half?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Our view of what’s going to happen with the foundry spending and kind of maybe a little bit more color on the overall capital spending, we think foundries for the year, we made a projection of $18 to $20, we think foundries are going to be between 25% and 35% of that number. Exactly how it’s going to be loaded I really can’t quite say yet. But, when we look at the number of customers that are going to reach the billion dollar range, in 2009 I think there were three customers that reached $1 billion in cap ex, we think there will be at least eight in 2010 and we do think, as I said, if there’s more bit growth there can be substantial investment in capacity. But, we have to see that bit growth first.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Timothy Arcuri – Citigroup. Timothy Arcuri – Citigroup: A couple of things, first of all George does the $450 million in savings, does that cannibalize any of your current revenue or is that just straight savings?

George S. Davis

Management

Now, we’re taking cost savings that we think will not interfere with our ability to drive revenue growth. These are really structural changes that will take place over time as we go through many of the elements which Mike talked about which includes moving sales in to the businesses, consolidating our field resources as our customer bases change, global manufacturing and supply chain consolidation and movement, more manufacturing and supply chain activity in Asia which has a lot of cycle time and cost benefits. So, all the things that we talked about really we think are a combination of better competitive positioning and also more efficient not from reducing or selling off a product that is generating revenue. Timothy Arcuri – Citigroup: As a follow up, the last two quarters you’ve worked off backlog a bit, you’ve booked a bit less than you’ve revenued and I’m wondering if I take sort of a midpoint of the revenue guidance, roughly $1.8 billion do you think the same thing is going to fiscal Q1 i.e. you’re going to book less than you will revenue or will you book more?

George S. Davis

Management

Not guiding, we do expect to [inaudible] to be up but we’re not going to guide orders. But, that is one of the best ways of backing in to it that I’ve seen so a good question.

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Tim on the overall restructuring I’d just say that we really tried to go through every aspect of the way we do business and ask ourselves how we’re doing it, how we could do it more efficiently, are we doing it in the right place, if we’re not how do we get to the right place for doing that. That’s really what the number reflects and what both the headcount and the savings number reflect.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Kirsh Sankar – Banc of America Merrill Lynch. Kirsh Sankar – Banc of America Merrill Lynch: Two questions, actually a question and a follow up. First one, lead time in the SSG business how are they right now in 4Q and 1Q and any visibility beyond the Jan quarter? My follow up question is once the cost reductions are done, how do we think of the incremental margin for the company and if possible segment by segment?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I think lead times have shrunk quite a bit. We’re putting a bit of stress on our supply chain right now. Our suppliers are responding, they’re working very closely with us. But, as George said 61% of our revenue in Q4 was orders within the quarter so you kind of get an idea we’re moving products to customers very, very quickly. George, do you want to comment on incremental flow through of profits?

George S. Davis

Management

I think you saw very high flow through this quarter. It gives you an idea of how we’re already impacting our performance from the actions that we’ve taken to date. We certainly see an additional $450 will have a positive impact. These actions are broad based, they cut across the company so they will positively impact every units margins and at the annual analyst meeting we will go in to more details about how you can see that overtime.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Steve O’Rourke – Deutsche Bank. Steve O’Rourke – Deutsche Bank: Two questions, could you say if the headcount reduction is net of new headcount that you’ll be adding in Asia and the second question, you mentioned that the SunFab line, the bookings, came within the 12 month time horizon. Are those rebookings and do you feel confident that they may push out or not push out further?

George S. Davis

Management

On the headcount yes, those are net numbers. Then in terms of the 12 month booking window, the way we book SunFab lines is we may sign a contract but because the lead times are longer than our 12 month booking window we actually wait until we get to within 12 months of what we believe will be factory sign up which is the revenue event and that’s what’s happened now with this so there’s no rebooking at all. We just are now within 12 months of what we believe will be the revenue event.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from [Peter Rice – Global Crown]. [Peter Rice – Global Crown]: Mike, I was hoping you could comment, across the board it seems some of the equipment companies are taking a more defensive posture despite kind of going in to a cyclical recovery, cutting heads, cutting costs, what’s different in this upturn that’s allowing the customers to support this? As the follow up, I was hoping you could comment in the second half of the year the recovery has largely been driven by technology spending. I was hoping you could share kind of your outlook for when the next phase of new fabs will be built out and what customer segments will be driving this initial recovery?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Peter I think the view of the future is different than other recoveries. This particular recovery, and I would say we certainly haven’t recovered yet, is one that the environment is quite different. We still have a very fragile global economy, we have a customer base that is consolidated substantially and I think will continue to consolidate some as we go through time. We have to ensure that our cost structure and our ability to invest for the future is really intact and that’s a big part of what we are doing and we also have to align the financials and pro form for any of our groups to be consistent with the way we see the market. So, I think that’s pretty much – it sort of gets down to really a focus if we look at AGS and SSG, in AGS 25% of the 200 millimeter wafers are gone, they’re not coming back. So, we have to ensure that AGS is set up to be profitable and effective at growing share but also be realistic about the market they’re serving. The same as in SSG. I think when do new fabs get moving again, I really think that depends. First of all, I don’t know that we’ll see new buildings before late in 2010 but there’s plenty of space to fill up for the foreseeable future in both memory and in foundry. I think 2010 is going to be a year of filling up existing fabs. But also, I think we’re looking for those inflection points primarily in memory that are going to key them to say, “Okay, we have confidence to build capacity.” What we think those are is DRAM bit growth greater than 50% and we’re hoping and want to watch this very carefully that investments from industry and emergence of Windows 7 and growth in cell phones really does drive that bit growth in DRAMs. In NAN flash we have to see bit growth above 100% and maybe even substantially above 100%. Again, that will be SmartPhones and MP3 players and the like that drive the flash bit capacity. We’ll see SSDs also but that’s not going to be a big mover this year. Maybe in 2011 it will be the next phase of this build out.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Patrick Ho – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc. Patrick Ho – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: I know you didn’t give any quantitative guidance to orders but can you discuss which customer segment will drive orders or at least on the semi side of things in the January quarter? Is it going to be memory that takes the lead or will you still see foundries comprising your largest percentage?

George S. Davis

Management

We think foundries will continue to be strong but it’s really we think DRAM is going to be the big driver in Q1. Patrick Ho – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: The second question is in terms of the cash generation now that you’re starting to put together as you’re making money again, what do you plan to do with it? Are you going to plan to sit on the sidelines or are you going to reinitiate stock buyback like you did in the last up cycle?

George S. Davis

Management

We still believe that share repurchases is the best way of returning excess cash flow so we will begin to share repurchase again as soon as we’re comfortable that things have stabilized in the economy, we get more than just one or two strong quarters of cash flow. I think our view of how much cash we would hold is probably a little bit higher than we had going in to the year 2009 although we feel we’re in a very strong position right now. We want to see a little more continuity in the economic recovery but we’re still a believer in share repurchase.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Weston Twigg – Pacific Crest Securities. Weston Twigg – Pacific Crest Securities: I just wanted to dig in to the EES group a little bit. You talked about expanding your tam, you mentioned it as one of the key growth opportunities over the next several years yet you guided revenue flat for 2010 with 2009 plus or minus 10% so I’m just wondering when do you expect the growth to come and what would be the key catalyst to look for?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I think we’re quite excited about this space in particular but during those comments I was referring to crystalline silicon and we’re coming out with a number of new products there that should expand our tam. What we’re concerned about right now is wafering and how fast wafering expansion is going to occur and that’s really what we look for is as wafering orders start to come in we know that the cell orders aren’t far behind because those wafers have to go to a manufacturing line someplace. That’s our caution side, if we see that grow I think we’re going to have a very good year in crystalline silicon. Weston Twigg – Pacific Crest Securities: With a $50 million in M&A charges is that for acquisitions you’ve already made or should we expect more perhaps on the crystalline silicon side in 2010?

George S. Davis

Management

That’s for acquisitions that we’ve already made.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gary Hsueh – Oppenheimer & Co. Gary Hsueh – Oppenheimer & Co.: Within the context of the EES revenue guidance for next fiscal year plus or minus 10%, I’m just wondering what your assumptions are for project sign offs, particularly what is the total [inaudible] interest of project sign offs in fiscal ’09 and on average what’s the megawatt size on those sign offs and what’s embedded in your expectations in terms of the flat plus or minus 10% guidance for EES as a whole next year in terms of project sign offs, the number and average megawatt size? I’m got a follow up as well.

George S. Davis

Management

We certainly have at least three to four more factories to be signed off in that forecast. We also expect a certain number of bonuses to potentially be paid during that time period. I’m not going to go in to the details on the megawatts but we have again, I would say certainly the largest factory will be coming in the latter part of the year that we have. Gary Hsueh – Oppenheimer & Co.: My follow up question is just about some of the reorganization that’s been happening. I jumped on the call late but I wanted to understand whether or not there’s any structural reorganization specific to etch and inspection that really might help you kind of reenergize the effort in terms of regrowing the market share specifically in etch and I guess to a lesser extent in inspection since you’ve made some headway there already?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

We’re not announcing any organizational shifts today in those groups. We just, a couple of months ago, Randhir Thakur took over as a General Manager of SSG and he’s working very closely with customers and making sure they understand our technology roadmap and have renewed confidence in our direction.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Mehdi Hosseini – Freidman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Mehdi Hosseini – Freidman, Billings, Ramsey & Co.: The first question has to do with the EES, have you done any study to find out the kind of estimated megawatt of installations that your SunFab customers could be manufacturing for especially over the next 12 months? Then George, regarding the January quarter, given such a wide delta in the guidance range, help me understand what would it take to hit the low end versus the high end of revenue guidance range?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

On the megawatt installations since this is output from customer factories it’s very hard for me to comment but obviously the top side is their rated capacity and other than that I can’t say a whole lot. There’s been announcements about the rated capacity of each of those factories.

George S. Davis

Management

I think the range reflects the range that we gave on revenue and I think that if you think about the low end so if for some reason revenue grew at the low end, remember we have about $0.02 to $0.03 of cost in op ex in Q1 that we didn’t have in Q4 and the tax rate impact is about $0.01 as well. So, the low end of that range is probably not as a low performance straight up comparison wise as you might consider.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Edwin Mok – Needham & Company. Edwin Mok – Needham & Company: The first question is on the backlog, you said $116 million of cancellation, can you tell us where that cancellation comes from in terms of which group and how do we look at that going forward? Is that something that we should expect ongoing? Then just a follow up question regarding your strategy initiative, I was just wondering the guidance of $450 million of savings does that include the potential savings you can get from transitioning your manufacturing to Singapore and if not, how much will that incrementally be on top of that $450?

George S. Davis

Management

I’ll take your second question first, the $450 does include benefits associated with that activity over the next 18 months. Then in terms of the backlog adjustments, what we’re seeing is I would say about $90 million of the cancellations were in our SSG group and really just reflect the fact that customers’ plans have been changing fairly substantially and as we talked about their order patterns are shortening up substantially. But, we’re now down to about 20% of our backlog is SSG so not a lot of volatility going forward. The rest of it is between AGS and EES, with EES mostly centered around crystalline silicon customers around the world.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Mahesh Sanganeria – RBC Capital Markets. Mahesh Sanganeria – RBC Capital Markets: Just another question on op ex, if you look at the temporary savings you had $350 million, 70% of the op came from op ex so that’s pretty much offset by the $250 million savings you’re going to get from restructuring. Just looking at the profile it looks like temporary savings come back faster and the restructuring will come slower so op ex will increase and then towards the end of the year the impact we come back to starting point. Is that the right way to think it?

George S. Davis

Management

I think that’s a fair way to look at it and we’ll give you an update every quarter on our progress which should help you tune your model over time. Mahesh Sanganeria – RBC Capital Markets: Just one quick one, so your SG&A went down significantly from $168 to $155 and you’re saying that was a onetime thing and it goes back to $168 or higher level?

George S. Davis

Management

Again, part of what you’ll see with part of the restructuring is SG&A will improve over time as part of the actions that we’re taking. I think the way to think about it is as revenues increases you’ll see more and more flow through because the temporary costs will come back at a slower rate after we see further recovery.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from [Agadesh Ire – Argus Research]. [Agadesh Ire – Argus Research]: Two questions, one is how should we think about this Advent Solar acquisition in terms of your incremental revenue opportunities going in to say 2011 because it looks like it’s a very disruptive technology so how should we think about that? The second question as a follow up is we’ve been hearing that logic and foundry customers are pursuing a double patterning stream of litho etch litho [inaudible]. How does the dynamics change because you guys have been pushing the self aligned double patterning? Can you just help us understand the dynamics please?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Well, on Advent first of all it’s way too early to make a forecast. We obviously very much like the technology, we do think it’s a disruptive technology but we have to prove its manufacturability and cost effectiveness and that’s what we’re going to be doing over the coming quarters. As we get closer to introducing that as a capability to the marketplace we’ll update you on how we think it’s going to change the fabrication of solar panels. On the litho etch litho [inaudible] self aligned double patterning I don’t think there’s a whole lot of difference for us. We still win in the thing film depositions and there’s going to be a mix of these things and it’s hard to exactly tell how it’s all going to shake out litho etch litho [inaudible] obviously better for logic and self aligned may be better for flash memory. But, I think we’re going to see how the adoption rate goes over the next year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matthew Petkun – D. A. Davidson & Co. Matthew Petkun – D. A. Davidson & Co.: A couple of questions, first on the consolidation of the supply chain and manufacturing, I just want to be clear, you expect to net increase or decrease your use of outside partners or could we actually see an increase in your own vertical integration over the next 12 months?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

I don’t think you’ll be seeing an increase in our vertical integration. I think what we want to do is looking across our supply chain we want to ensure that we’re working with the suppliers that both have the right technology and can stay with us in this very volatile business. We’re going to be doing an awful lot of that in Asia as Singapore ramps up and for semiconductors and Taiwan ramps up for our large footprint equipment. But certainly we’re looking to make, in this kind of a business, we’re looking to make ourselves more variable and have more variable costs not less. Matthew Petkun – D. A. Davidson & Co.: Then the display business has been strong, any update on your opportunity in the LED market as it relates to back lighting for displays?

Michael R. Splinter

Management

Well, we’re in the latter stages of developing a product for that market. I had a lot of discussions with customers on what they want and what they need. We’re working very closely with a number of customers. We have some eval tools out there today. We haven’t introduced the product yet but we think we’ll participate in this market in a meaningful way.

Michael Sullivan

President

What I would like to do is thank everyone for joining us this afternoon on the call. Because today is a federal holiday our Form 8K covering today’s release and restructuring announcements is scheduled for tomorrow November the 12th. A replay of this call will be available on our website beginning at 5 pm Pacific time today and will remain posted until November 25th. Thank you for your continued interest in Applied Materials.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.