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Alta Equipment Group Inc. (ALTG)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 8, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and thank you for attending the Alta Equipment Group Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Joel and I'll be your moderator for today's call. I will now turn the call over to Jason Dammeyer, Director of SEC Reporting and Technical Accounting with Alta Equipment Group. Jason, you may proceed.

Jason Dammeyer

Management

Thank you, Joel. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. A press release detailing Alta's second quarter 2024 financial results was issued this afternoon and is posted on our website along with a presentation designed to assist you in understanding the company's results. On the call with me today are Ryan Greenawalt, our Chairman and CEO; and Tony Colucci, our Chief Financial Officer. For today's call, management will first provide a review of our second quarter 2024 financial results. We will begin with some prepared remarks before we open the call for your questions. Please proceed to Slide 2. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call may contain certain forward-looking statements, including statements about future financial results, our business strategy and financial outlook, achievements of the company and other non-historical statements as described in our press release. These forward-looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks, uncertainties and assumptions, including those related to Alta's growth, market opportunities and general economic and business conditions. We have based these forward-looking statements largely on our current expectations and projections about future events and financial trends that we believe may affect our business, financial condition and results of operations. Although, we believe these expectations are reasonable, we undertake no obligation to revise any statement to reflect changes that occur after this call. Descriptions of these and other risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are discussed in our reports filed with the SEC, including our press release that was issued today. During this call, we may present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's press release and can be found on our website at investors.altaequipment.com. I will now turn the call over to Ryan.

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Thank you, Jason. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I will begin with a quick overview of our second quarter results, then provide a current assessment of the business conditions in our end user markets. Tony Colucci will then present a more detailed analysis of our financial and operating performance for the quarter and our outlook for the balance of 2024. Overall, our business rebounded well this quarter from the seasonally challenged first quarter and in the face of moderating market environment for new equipment sales. For the quarter, total revenues increased 46.5 million sequentially to 488.1 million in Q2 from 441.6 million in Q1. For the second quarter, the business achieved adjusted EBITDA 50.3 million, which is up 16.2 million versus Q1. Notably, our product support business performed well in this moderating environment, as we continued to achieve organic growth on increased field population with revenues increasing to a record of 144.2 million, an increase of 13.2 million from a year ago. Additionally, our Material Handling segment also continued on its steady path of profitable growth as we progressively execute on a solid sales backlog and gain market share in strategic regions and product categories throughout our footprint. We also saw a rebound in our Master Distribution segment as revenue in the quarter was 16.7 million versus 12.8 million in the first quarter. While we benefited from a return to normal seasonality and a strong quarter from our Material Handling segment and our product support business lines, market unit volumes in our Construction Equipment segment remain under pressure due to uncertainty regarding interest rates and the election outcome, especially affecting small to mid-sized contractors. Let me now discuss our business in greater detail by operating segment revenues for our Construction Equipment segment increased to 294.9…

Tony Colucci

Management

Thanks, Ryan. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Alta Equipment Group and our second quarter 2024 financial results. Before I begin, I want to thank my Alta colleagues for their commitment and hard work during the quarter as we transition the business from the difficult operating conditions of the winter season to our busy summer months. You lead with our guiding principles daily, providing our customers with best-in-class products and service capabilities which ultimately keep their businesses in motion, thank you. My remarks today will focus on four key areas. First, I'll be presenting our second quarter results as our performance ramped as expected from the seasonally impacted Q1 and continues to transition in a moderating macro environment. Second, I'll briefly recap the refinancing that occurred in Q2 and update investors on our current balance sheet position. Third, I'd like to present two new slides that we've added to our investor deck on our customer end market exposure. And lastly, I'll discuss the updated adjusted EBITDA guidance range for 2024, which was noted in the press release today. Before I get to my talking points, it should be noted that I will be referencing slides from our investor presentation throughout the call today. I'd encourage everyone on today's call to review our presentation and our 10-Q, which is available on our investor relations website at altg.com. With that said, for the first portion of my prepared remarks and as presented in slides 11 to 13 in the earnings deck, second quarter performance. For the quarter, the company recorded revenue of $488.1 million, which is up $19.7 million versus Q2 of last year and up $46.5 million sequentially against Q1. Embedded in the $488.1 million of revenue for the quarter is a record amount of product support…

Operator

Operator

Absolutely. We will now begin the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Matt Summerville with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Canyon Hayes

Analyst

Hi there, you've got Canyon Hayes on from Matt Summerville today.

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Hi. How are you?

Canyon Hayes

Analyst

Hey, I was wondering if we could maybe get a little bit more detail -- oh, hi, good, thanks. I was wondering if we could get a little bit more detail on the reduction in the EBITDA guidance. Maybe a bridge down to the new midpoint, maybe rank order some of the drivers that were included in the commentary.

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Yeah, I mean, you could almost directly correlate the reduction to the commentary. The vast majority of the reduction, I should say, to the commentary on new and used equipment in the Construction segment, primarily. This is primarily in spot market that we participate in against large other OEMs like Caterpillar, John Deere, Komatsu, et cetera. And the reduction in sales overall, just demand going down in that small-to-mid sized contractor base and then the margins related to that equipment is the primary driver. Beyond that, I think it would be two, a and b, would be Ecoverse performance in the second quarter. We had a nice April, then we saw a pullback kind of in the back half of the quarter, if you will, and also just our rental fleet utilization and expecting to do a little bit more there. So, that's kind of how I would rank the items that caused the guidance to come down.

Canyon Hayes

Analyst

Great, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Steve Hansen with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Steve Hansen

Analyst

Oh, yeah. Good afternoon, guys. How’re you doing? Just wanted to dig back into the same question on the guide. Is there certain product categories -- it sounds like small to medium sized contractors or sort of the customer, but is it shovels, is it abstract, where are you seeing the most pressure? Is it broad based and is it across your entire territory, or is it more focused on certain states?

Tony Colucci

Management

Steve, I'll take that one. I think Ryan mentioned in his remarks where the mid-west states have been impacted just from a broad demand perspective versus, let's say, Florida. As you know, Florida is a massive equipment market, so that being down has been probably the biggest impact for us. I would just say Florida and Michigan, primarily the most impacted here from the demand side. In terms of what categories impacted, I would say that from a margin perspective, in a pricing perspective, it would be the big heavy stuff, so articulated dump trucks, 40 ton articulated dump trucks down in Florida, where we're seeing some of this pricing discipline erode on those larger product categories. We have seen a slight pullback in year-over-year and maybe more of the compact lines, but that's much more muted than what I would say is going on in the heavy categories with that. Hopefully that helps.

Steve Hansen

Analyst

Yeah, that's very helpful. And are you seeing the OEs respond then from sort of a financing and incentive program, I presume? Is that part of it? And just a related point is, how do the inventory stack look for you guys, as it stands today? How much do you need to lean down, if at all?

Tony Colucci

Management

Yeah, I'll take that one, Steve, and maybe allow Ryan to talk about the OEs and their participation, pricing wise, and how that's impactful. In terms of the fleet size, we're very close to our turns, as I mentioned, on new and used equipment, we were able to reduce in the quarter. And I think that's a really strong kind of statement for the team here, as we really try to stick to our two turns on new inventory, used inventory, et cetera. So, actually, down on new and used, the rental fleet is where I would say we've got the most opportunity. I think that's probably $30 million to $50 million where we'd like to maybe pair back on a $600 million fleet here in the next several quarters, let's say. And there's probably a little bit more than that in the used department we've got some aged fleet. And if you think about turning out of the rental fleet, I think the number was something like $60 million year-to-date that we were able to kind of reduce. So the key is just matching supply and demand, being mindful of what we're ordering and taking from the OEs, and we'll snap right back into where we want to be with the fleet and on the balance sheet in the next several quarters, so long as demand stays buoyed, or at least to the levels that it is. Ryan, do you want to talk about pricing?

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Sure. So the relationship between the dealer and the OEMs as it relates to pricing has never been more important than times like this. You've got an over stocked dealer channel, and every deal is competitive. So it's an active dialogue with the various manufacturers we represent and it plays into one of the comments Tony made about some of the lack of discipline that we're seeing in the market. We see some opportunistic and undisciplined pricing happening, where we might see some erratic swings in the near term on share as OEMs do some kind of crazy things to try to get their product into the marketplace.

Steve Hansen

Analyst

That's helpful, guys. Thanks. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Your line is now open.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst

Hi. Good evening. I wanted to think about Construction demand moderating, yet in the Construction Equipment segment aftermarket support revenue grew. Looks like about 15%, well above the total co result. Maybe a couple things there. First, how much -- what was the organic change of Construction Equipment, Parts and Services? And then secondly, if the market stays weak in the second half, the installed base ages a bit maybe some offset with lower utilization of what's out there, but do you expect the parking service business to be exceptionally strong with that kind of backdrop?

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Steve, I think. I think we saw some of that. I mean, our product support business in the face of -- just to give you some numbers, the Construction business, and this is in the MD&A of our 10-Q, the Construction segment organically was down $14.7 million, or 10% in the new and used equipment line. Now, we were able to offset some of that by having an additional or an incremental $4 million sold out of the rental fleet. So let's just call it $10 million down year-over-year on an organic basis, which would be something in the high-single digits in terms of equipment sales. But I think what we will ultimately see, as the fleet ages, similar to what we saw when there was a big replenishment in 2023, prior to that, we benefited from supply chain issues, benefited from a product support perspective. Now that the replenishment happened in a big way last year, there's a lot of new equipment out there that in the early stages of that equipment being a field population, they haven't broke down yet, they're not in their prime product support days. But you're right, overall, that is utilization, which, by the way, we've got a slide in our presentation that suggests utilization of equipment -- our customer equipment, by virtue of the service calls, there's even some industry data out there that suggests that utilization is pretty much flat to maybe down low single digits, in terms of customer equipment, that's all good for us, and we'll keep our, our Parts and Service operations busy. So I may have missed a piece of your question, so happy to circle back there, Steve, but go ahead.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst

No, that was helpful commentary. Maybe an add-on question to that topic. With good utilization in the Parts and Service department for the Construction Equipment segment, how does that work pricing wise? Is this a favorable pricing environment for the Parts and Service revenue line?

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Steve, what I would say there is, it always is -- and that gets right back to the labor situation that is more structural than anything in the country in terms of just the lack of skilled labor. So, we've been able to push, push pricing along year-over-year. Some of the gains that you see relative to just activity are related to our ability to push along pricing increases to our customers. So I wouldn't necessarily tie it to utilization in terms of the price of the service. That's more directly correlated with kind of the dearth of skilled labor that's out there.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe to understand the Construction customer sentiment a little bit better, less willingness, obviously, to purchase new and used equipment. Are they letting fleet age in anticipation of better demand or are they -- can you tell if they are selling some of that fleet? And maybe tying it to the rental segment, what is customer willingness to purchase your lightly used rental fleet in this kind of environment?

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

I think it's still strong. We sold $36.3 million out of our fleet, which is up versus last year. And probably I don't have it in front of me, but I think up versus Q1. And so they're still buying the lightly used fleet. We're still getting good margins on the lightly used fleet, and that's just part of our business model from a field population perspective. I think what I would say sentiment wise, Steve, is the customers appear to be busy on projects, they have backlog, and we can't keep getting the same refrain. And as I mentioned, it's like that refrain has gotten more pronounced as we've gone through the back half of the second quarter, specifically where customers are just saying, look, I'm going to grind it out here until I see lower interest rates. I'm going to keep maybe my older piece of equipment until after the election when I know more about tax, future tax ramifications of buying capital equipment. I think it's those two primary factors that are driving customer sentiment in the non-res, if you will, the smaller end of non-res space.

Steven Ramsey

Analyst

Great. That's all from me. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Alex Rygiel with B. Riley. Your line is now open.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thank you, gentlemen. A couple quick questions here. We spent a good amount of time here talking about the small and medium sized contractors that are soft right now, but kind of in the aggregate, I think that's probably a smaller percentage of your total company revenue, maybe we could talk a little bit about some of the stronger end markets that you're seeing. Tony, thank you for these great slides on 27 and 28, but maybe you can run through a couple of those end markets and talk to some of the stronger ones.

Tony Colucci

Management

Sure. Yeah. I think, Alex, just to maybe circle to the buy segment, Food & Beverage distribution is just consistent, I would say consistently strong, so that seems to be just a stalwart, if you will. Warehousing and logistics is moving just fine. There's a fair amount of medical supplies, again, that we really haven't seen any sort of pullback or heard of facilities shutting down. I would say automotive again is a little bit, maybe tepid but also where maybe there's not enough as many cars coming off the line, but recall that for us, as long as facilities are still open, we sort of embed into the facility spend of our customers on the Material Handling side. And so we really haven't seen anything of note in the Material Handling side that I would say has pulled back. And I would say it's all pretty stable and steady. On the Construction Equipment side, I think aggregate and mining up in Canada that the Ault deal, I would point to that as strong. I still think some of the landscaping in that market and compact equipment is strong. I think it's the weaknesses on some of the site development for mid-sized, maybe commercial projects. The big road customers that we have, without naming names, are all very busy, maybe hesitant to buy, but all very busy and strong. So all the infrastructure spend, the customers are busy and strong, but that doesn't mean that they're going to pull the trigger on equipment. That could be a variety of other factors, pricing of the equipment, interest rate, prognostications, election, et cetera. So it's really still difficult other than that mid-size sort of site development contractor, everybody else is busy, they're just -- they're not buying equipment in the same level as they've done historically.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

That's helpful. And then as you think about, right, sizing your rental fleet, how might you redeploy that capital?

Tony Colucci

Management

I think what we would do, Alex, is throw it right at the revolving debt, and that's the first priority here. We like to think that our rental fleet is sort of directly correlated with the debt load and it's in our minds a little bit temporary, right. We're turning out of that rental fleet in a significant way in our Construction business and so long way, to answer your question. But we would want to put that right against the debt.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ted Jackson with Northland Securities. Your line is now open.

Ted Jackson

Analyst

Thank you very much. Good evening, guys. My first question is actually around Material Handling. Hyster-Yale reported yesterday and had their call today. And you know that they did actually offer some more like a -- a more subdued outlook with regards to the truck market for the second half of the year. Talking about that things were slowing down faster than they expected, and then as they got into that discussion, made some commentary with regards to 2025 that for them to be able to call it meet their longer-term goals, that they would need to see themselves take more market share than they currently would envision. So taking all that and applying it to the world as it relates to you, when you think about the Material Handling business in Hyster-Yale, I know it's probably the most important part of that business, but maybe can you scale it within regards to the aggregate of your Material Handling business and then kind of talk a bit about what you're seeing with regards to a pipeline of activities as you look into 2025? That's my first question.

Tony Colucci

Management

And I would just. -- I can scale it, I know Ryan may have some comments on this one, but the Hyster-Yale is a significant portion of the Material Handling business. At last check, it's $0.60, $0.70 on the dollar., if you kind of go backwards and think about that ex Peaklogix. It's a significant relationship. It's a relationship that we're very proud of. And so anyway, that's just scaling it. Ryan, do you want to talk about kind of the market and taking share?

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Sure. So I guess the first thing is that the volatility that you're seeing in terms of industry bookings is nothing felt as acutely on the ground as a dealer. The field population that's out there being used is more static than that. And that's what we tried to dimension a little bit on the comments, is that we're seeing normalization and we're seeing the market come back to a more reasonable level. But for us, the fleets that are out there are the fleets that are coming up for renewal and that a lot of them long term legacy accounts that just are kind of -- they're stable and they renew and fleets are on replenishment cycles from three to five years, depending on usage. And on the ground, as a dealer, you don't see the same volatility that you do as a manufacturer with the big -- the flows in terms of the big orders coming in. That's one way, I guess, I would dimension it. It's our flagship OEM on the Material Handling side that the other revenue that goes through the dealership model or allied lines. We don't have any other brand of heart of the line forklift trucks. And we do think that we've had a couple quarters where we've mentioned that we think we're well positioned to take share in this choppy environment. We've got some product features that we're excited about, and then just the shift overall of the growth of the narrow isle and the electric side of the forklift industry. Hyster-Yale is well positioned for that, and that'll remain a focus. And we don't we -- we look at the business on the stability of that product support revenue and the head count of our mechanics and we think that we'll continue to see organic growth in that business kind of across all regions.

Tony Colucci

Management

I would just maybe put a sub bullet to that that and maybe go a step further. We have taken share this year in a down bookings market, and this is a good thing because, and it's directly correlated to some of the product innovations that Hyster-Yale has put out there over the last couple years, specifically in the, where --- applicable in the warehouse and logistics, sort of narrow aisle products, if you will, where these are very helpful when we're trying to take conquest accounts in Chicago and Toronto. We still have those two markets specifically to still represent two of our biggest organic growth opportunities. And so we're actually excited about kind of the how share has moved for our business and all those bookings that we have a greater share of will ship next year, probably given backlogs. And so to me, some of the volatility, as Ryan said in the bookings number, especially given the snaps back and forth after COVID, that bookings number can be big. And as Ryan said, in the end, for us, it's a little bit more muted because of the field population and because we're kind of on the back end of all of the production.

Ted Jackson

Analyst

Okay, my next question ties into an earlier question with regards to the guidance, and you'd made a comment with regards to Ecoverse saying that it started the second quarter strong in April, and then I kind of faded out. You did actually show a nice pop in revenue there, nonetheless, I mean, 16 million across the whole segment. When you look at -- given the fact that the business faded as you went through the second quarter and you think about the back half of the year, do you think you'll be able to grow that business year-over-year in the second half of 2024, or has the softness that you saw as you exited the second quarter carried forward and lead you to believe that you might see that business decline on an annualized basis in the second half? I have one question after that,

Ryan Greenawalt

Management

Ted. I think given the performance in QD, I think it'll be very difficult for Ecoverse that kind of repeat what they did in 2023. Keep in mind, Ecoverse is selling to both Yellow Iron and then aggregate and mining sort of dealers, some of which are handle competitive lines relative to Alta on the earth moving side of the house, and they're stocked up. And so end markets busy in terms of mulching material processors, any -- somebody that's selling or cultivating organic material, these people are busy, they're just not committing to assets. I would say, though, that the, there could be, and we saw this in 2016, a really strong November and December on capital equipment as the election sort of went past us. And so that, that absolutely, I could see maybe unlock some things for Ecoverse, but not something that we're expecting to happen.

Ted Jackson

Analyst

Okay. And then my last question is really on the finance side of you, Tony, and that's thinking about working capital and actually, there's an accounting question here as well. But given the fact that you're thinking -- you're talking about bringing down the rental fleet and I'd assume with a lack of better term, a lower end market demand outlook that we would see inventories go down as well. Is it fair to assume that we should see some solid free cash flow generation in the back half of this year? And then how would we think about that? Usually the first half of the year is a little more challenging for you on a free cash flow basis, but how would we think about that as you go through the first part of 2025? And then my kind of accounting question is, when I look at your balance sheet, the inventory from the beginning of the year is down 16 million, 17 million, but on the cash flow statement, it's like $100 million plus use of cash. What am I missing with the disconnect between those two line items from the cash flow statement and the balance sheet? That's kind of a side note question, and that's it for me.

Tony Colucci

Management

I'll take those in reverse, Ted. If you've got to account for the non-cash transfers at the bottom of the cash flow statement to kind of tie back to the inventory lines. It's just the way that kind of GAAP accounting works. So you're right, inventories are down, but we account for the transfers that go into the rental fleet as a reduction to inventory, net-net, if you will, on the balance sheet versus the cash flow statement. Your first question on working capital, yeah, the first half is always more difficult in terms of working capital investment. If I look at last year, our working capital investment for the first half of the year was something like $43 million in the first half of the year, net working capital, and we ended the year something like $15 million, $16 million, and slide 14 of our investor presentation. So, yeah, we invested 15 million, and we ended through the first half of 2023, end of the year at 16 million of investment. We're kind of on the same pace, meaning we should be able to generate some gains here from a working capital perspective over the back half of the year. And Ted had mentioned that that's his last question, so turn it over to the operator to close the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.