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Alkami Technology, Inc. (ALKT)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Sat, May 6, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Hello, and welcome to Alkami's First Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Sarah, and I will be your operator for today's call. All lines will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Andrew Vinas. Andrew, you may begin.

Andrew Vinas

Analyst

Thank you, operator. With me on today's call are Alex Shootman, Chief Executive Officer; and Bryan Hill, Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we may make forward-looking statements about guidance and other matters regarding our future performance. These statements are based on management's current views and expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Our actual results may be materially different. For a summary of risk factors associated with our forward-looking statements, please refer to today's press release and the sections in our latest Form 10-K entitled Risk Factors and Forward-Looking Statements. The statements made during the call are being made as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Also, unless otherwise stated, financial measures discussed on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis. We believe these measures are useful to investors in the understanding of our financial results. A reconciliation of comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our earnings press release and in our filings with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Alex.

Alex Shootman

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew, and welcome, everyone. I am pleased to report another quarter of strong topline performance and continued progress towards profitability. In the first quarter of 2023, Alkami grew revenue 34%, once again ahead of our expectations. We exited the quarter with 15.1 million live registered users on the Alkami platform, up 2.3 million compared to the prior year. And we achieved a $2.9 million adjusted EBITDA loss, better than the high end of our guidance for the quarter. This result keeps us on track to adjusted EBITDA profitability, which we continue to expect by the end of this year. Let me start with a topic that I know is top of mind for investors since the recent failures of Silicon Valley Bank, Signature and First Republic, the macro environment for regional and community financial institutions. Since the end of March, I've been in the offices of 13 different CEOs of banks and credit unions, and those conversations, along with the data we see in our own systems, tell the same story. Our client base and target market has not been impacted by these bank failures. In my conversations, clients described the bank collapses as driven by specific business models, risk management decisions and the resulting mix of assets and liabilities that are different from those of our clients. The CEOs told me their businesses are sound, they are well capitalized and they have low percentage of accounts above insured limits. Their focus is more upon the changing rate environment, they're experiencing high loan demand and a shift in cost of deposits. In short, they are managing net interest margin in a dynamic environment. Each of these CEOs have been through many economic cycles. They reacted calmly to the bank collapses and our business strategies to adjust to the…

Bryan Hill

Analyst

Thanks, Alex, and good afternoon, everyone. During the first quarter of 2023, we continue to deliver strong financial results and experienced healthy demand for innovation from new logo opportunities and our existing client base. For the first quarter of 2023, we achieved revenue of $60 million, which outperforms the high end of our financial guidance and represents growth of 34%. This was driven by strong performance across our primary revenue drivers. We implemented seven new clients in the quarter, bringing our digital banking platform client count to 206. We now have 42 new clients in our implementation backlog representing 1.4 million digital users. We exited the quarter with 15.1 million registered users live in our digital banking platform, up $2.3 million or 18% compared to last year and up sequentially 583,000 digital users. Over the last 12 months, digital user growth continues to be driven by two areas. First, we implemented 34 financial institutions supporting 1.4 million digital users. Second, our existing clients increased their digital user adoption by 1.3 million users. Offsetting digital user growth was churn of just over 300,000 digital users, of which the majority is represented by a single client that transitioned off our platform during the third quarter of 2022. We continue to maintain a very high gross retention rate of just over 97% measured in terms of ARR and digital users retained over the last 12 months. We ended the quarter with an RPU of $15.88, which is 15% higher than last year. This compares to our blended market opportunity of approximately $58 per user. The Segmint acquisition contributed 7% of ARPU expansion, along with ARPU expansion of 8%, driven by add-on sales success and the addition of new clients who tend to onboard with a higher average ARPU. Subscription revenue grew 34% compared…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mayank Tandon with Needham. Please go ahead.

Mayank Tandon

Analyst

Thank you. Good evening. First, congrats on the quarter and in the midst of all this uncertainty. So Alex, I just wanted to ask you, given that this crisis seems to be spreading with news breaking this evening with PacWest Bank also now exploring options, do you feel any concern that if this does continue to spread, at some point, that could have some implications for incremental opportunities as you look to expand into the bank market? Could you maybe spend a little bit more time giving us your thoughts on potential opportunities if the crisis gets worse?

Alex Shootman

Analyst

Yes. If you look at the banks that have been affected, these are banks with many tens of billion dollars of assets that are publicly traded banks. And as I said earlier, they have specific business models. I had one customer tell me, Hey, Alex, that wasn't a run on a bank. That was a run on a business model. So they have specific business models that are causing challenges right now. And our target market doesn't have those business models. And so that's why the customers that I talk to individually said, look, I didn't get a call from a – one customer got one call from a teenager who had a $5,000 savings account that wanted to know if their money was going to be okay. These customers all told me that they had maybe 92%, 93% of their accounts were under deposit limits, and they had enough capital cushion to cover anything that was over a deposit limit. And so I'm not Nostradamus, I can't predict the future, but the problems that are – that impacted the three banks that failed and then my understanding of PacWest's business model, just different business models in our target market.

Mayank Tandon

Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then I just want to ask you a follow-up question. Again, you talked a little bit about the product portfolio and the attach rates. So as you look at your core solutions, I think you have 26, if I remember correctly, maybe that has expanded over time, could you point to where areas you're seeing the most traction in terms of interest from your clients and maybe areas that you might be seeing softer trends? So just give us a little bit more color on the portfolio, how that's shaking out as you talk to customers in terms of interest from their side? Thank you.

Bryan Hill

Analyst

Yes. Mayank, this is Bryan. I'll take this question. Our clients, and we've talked about this at Co:lab, but they truly view our platform as a sales channel as well as a service platform. So it helps them drive revenue. It helps them drive engagement as well as helps them on the operating cost side of their business. So as we enter into a – what can be viewed as a challenged economy, our platform really helps in both areas where they're focused. So where we normally see for new logo opportunities is there's about 11 products that cut across our product portfolio across our eight product family categories that are almost on every deal. And then depending on the operating strategy and the priorities of the financial institution, there's another 10-or-so products that tend to get taken at different take rates across our product portfolio. And those can be in the areas of security, they can be in the areas of financial wellness, in some cases, in the areas of client services, which includes like chatbots and things of that nature. So it just depends on the client's operating strategy. Also what we see in our client sales team where they're selling into our existing client base is traction across those same last three categories. So where we have seen in 2022 and then also in early 2023 is a lot of take within our money movement products, which includes bill pay and accounts or instant ID verification. Within client services, I touched base on kind of chat or conversational AI-type products. And then within fraud and security, around account takeover and then also our ACH Alert product.

Alex Shootman

Analyst

Maybe if I just – if I layer on top of that, kind of this fits with Bryan's narrative. The three main kind of business topics, if you will, that customers will have will be around fraud, right? And how do you help me protect my members and customers against themselves, right? So the whole account takeover piece. Bryan talked about money movement. Everything related to any type of digital issuance with a card or any kind of digital account opening, anything that they can do to remove friction for a customer or member and then data. They are all understanding that they have to begin to differentiate themselves not just through a great user experience, but through the way that they personalize that experience, and they have to do that with the way that they use data. And that can create service opportunities for them or that can create additional product sales opportunities for them. But think of the three big buckets of fraud, money movement and data.

Mayank Tandon

Analyst

That’s great color. Thank you so much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bob Napoli with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Adib Choudhury

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hey. Thanks so much for taking the question. This is Adib on for Bob. So just on that theme of some of the regional banking turmoil, it sounds like demand and the sales cycle remains pretty healthy still. But could you kind of comment on how your conversations are trending with your credit union customers versus your banking customers, and then just kind of remind us how much of the business is being driven by credit unions? Thank you.

Alex Shootman

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Yes. This is Alex. I'll take the commentary part and let Bryan speak to the mix between bank and credit union. As I said before, I spent time talking to both bank CEOs and credit union CEOs and in both existing customers and prospects. And we have to remember, you kind of have three tiers of institutions in the states. There's a half a dozen mega banks. These are the ones that we read as the too big to fail banks. And then you've got maybe 20 or 30 banks that are in the $50 billion and above assets, right? And then there's 9,000 banks and credit unions that are local institutions that will have between 500 and 2,000 people working for them. And those are the institutions that are buying our products. We didn't sell anything to First Republic Bank or to Silicon Valley Bank. And those CEOs, as I said earlier, have Boards that are very conservative and are members of the local community and are very focused on the longevity of those institutions. And so they talked about very sound fundamentals in terms of the match of their liabilities, in terms of deposits and their assets, in terms of either investments or loans. And so that's the general sentiment of the customer base. And there was no real difference between a community bank and a credit union in terms of the way that they talked about their business. I'll let Bryan talk about the mix.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Yes. The mix of our live clients, we're still at 95% credit unions, roughly 5% banks. And that's really being driven from how we were founded, what our original strategy was 12 years ago and how we've progressed as a company. But if you look more recently as we've made investments in our business banking platform, as we added ACH Alert to our platform, we're seeing a lot more traction on the bank side of the market. We have 42 clients in backlog, of which roughly one-third of those are banks. If you look at the new sales that took place during 2022 and then also now in the first quarter of 2023, last year, roughly one-third of our new sales were banks. Q1 of this year, out of six clients, three were banks. And then when you look at our sales pipeline, over 35% of our sales pipeline is now represented by banks. So we feel like we're starting to make a lot of progress. We've made the appropriate level of the commercial banking investments in the platform. And really now, it's more about share of voice in the bank side of the market, our marketing activities and just creating more awareness that Alkami is equally as strong on the bank side of the market with its platform in helping its clients as it is with credit unions.

Adib Choudhury

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thank you. And a quick follow-up, if I could squeeze it in. Could you just kind of speak to your confidence in terms of your revenue guide in 2023? And obviously, the high degree of subscription revenue drives greater visibility, but just any kind of incremental comments in terms of your confidence in meeting or exceeding that target? Thank you.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Well, so we did raise our guidance for the full-year. So that should speak in and of itself of our confidence in achieving our revenue number for the year. I mean in any given quarter, one quarter out, I have a very, very high degree of confidence that we're going to achieve that quarter. And even when we go further out, I mean we have a full-year of new logo implementations already scheduled. So of our 42 clients and backlog to implement their approximately, call it, 32 to 34 clients because you can always have one or two that shift out that will implement in the back three quarters of the year. So we're going to implement 42 clients this year when we implemented 30 last year. So that's up 40%. The other area of visibility that we have is the fact that our clients are growing. Our clients are growing at a rate of about 10% to 12% their base each year with a market backdrop of 8% to 9% for the full market. So our clients tend to be the more technology leading in – leaning in sector of the market, relying on their digital banking channel with a growth strategy. So that's another area that provides us confidence. And then our sales pipeline. Our sales pipeline is extremely healthy. As I mentioned, it includes a significant amount of banks in that. We have a very healthy sales pipeline for our cross-sell activity, our cross-sell motion. So we tend to perform very well against the guidance that we provide investors.

Adib Choudhury

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Charles Nabhan with Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Charles Nabhan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Hi. Good afternoon and thank you for taking my question. With the business mix shifting more towards add-on sales, I was wondering if you could comment on the incremental margin benefit from that mix shift and the degree to which it might be driving the 200 to 300 basis points of gross margin expansion or any efficiencies on the OpEx lines?

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Yes. So the main advantage that we have selling into our base is the implementation time line. So we'll implement individual products much quicker than we complete a full digital banking conversion. So for credit unions, the digital banking platform conversion can be between eight and 10 months, for a bank it's a little bit longer. But that's also highly dependent on the number of products that are taken on that initial order. But when you add one or two products through our cross-sell motion, those products on average are implementing between three and four months, some much faster than that, but the majority of them are kind of around that time line. So it's kind of speed to market. It's a lower implementation lift, which means there's lower implementation costs involved, but more importantly, it's order to revenue much quicker.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Got it. And just as a quick follow-up, and I apologize if you mentioned this already, could you maybe comment on the ARPU, the initial ARPU from the 42 banks and credit unions we have in the pipeline and if you're seeing more upfront consumption on your new go-lives?

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Yes. Yes, let me break that question into its components. So first, on banks. On average, what we're seeing is a $30 revenue per user and above. That's pretty consistent in our pipeline. That's pretty consistent with what we've implemented over the last 12 months. What drives that is a couple of factors. The first factor is the take of commercial – our commercial banking product, which carries a pretty – it's a nice ARPU additive product for us. And then also, banks tend to have fewer users. So where you may lose ARR through a lower user base, you then bring in the commercial banking aspect of it, and then that drives up the ARPU to kind of that $30 ARPU level.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead. Question

Got it. That’s really helpful. Thank you for the color.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Patrick Walravens with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Patrick Walravens

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. Congratulations. Terrific to see you defy the bearishness. So no one's asked the ChatGPT question, right?

Bryan Hill

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Not yet, Pat.

Alex Shootman

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

But go ahead, Pat.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

But ChatGPT [indiscernible].

Patrick Walravens

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

So what are the implications, if anything, for you, Alex, in your business? What areas are you working on? And then I don't think you have this issue, but it definitely creates an issue for some companies that price, for example, on a per seat basis for customer service reps, where there's going to be less customer service reps. So is there any element like that, that we should be aware of in terms of how you price your solutions?

Alex Shootman

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

No, because we price based upon the seats of the digital users. So unless people get replaced by ChatGPT and they stopped putting seats in. But I'm being a little bit flip, Pat. There's no – there's not really a replace there. Obviously, it's a fascinating technology. The thing that we focus on a lot, because we're a trusted platform, right? And the way that you get things from the model is that you feed the model. And so we're not going to be in a position to feed the model a bunch of information about the actual users of Alkami because those are individual digital banking applications that have PII data in them. Based upon our pricing protocol, it's not like a situation where, let's say, you had a learning platform where you were subscribing to help for learning, and you could get the same results from ChatGPT, and you might stop paying for that learning platform. We're not in that situation.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Beck with KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Josh Beck

Analyst · KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to also ask a macro question, but a little bit of a different flavor since you obviously had such a meaningful touch point with so many of your customers in April. What was their general thought process around NIMs? Certainly, credit tightening has come up quite a bit. And maybe how some of those factors are feeding overall budgets and then maybe priority of digital banking. Just kind of curious on how you're thinking about that?

Alex Shootman

Analyst · KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Yes. Well, let me first start with just their views on the stability of the business, right? And I want to go back to a data point that I shared. 0.91% of the users, so those are the customers or members. 0.91% of the customers or members on the Alkami platform have any uninsured deposits. So if you think about that out of, as Bryan said, 15 million users on the Alkami platform across our customer base, less than 150,000 of those users have any anything that's above the deposit limit. And so what that created for – what that creates for our customers, at least what they told me that, that creates, is a lot of confidence in the stability of their business because their entire customer base and their entire deposits are under a deposit insurance limit. And so they're just not having the conversations in terms of should I pull my deposits? So everything starts from that base that there's a lot of stability. And then as I mentioned earlier, what they're going through right now that many of them have been through, most of these CEOs have been in this business for 20, 25, 30 years, and so they've seen a dynamic environment before. And so what is changing for them is, okay, if I need to attract deposits instead of a year-ago where I had too many deposits, how am I going to attract deposits? Well, I know what I've got to do to attract deposits, is I've got to have better digital account opening capabilities. So talk to me about digital account opening. How are we going to implement that in our business? How are we going to do digital issuance of cards or issuing into a wallet? So in terms of attracting deposits,…

Josh Beck

Analyst · KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Very helpful. Obviously, it sounds very resilient in terms of the demand for the platform for a lot of reasons. Maybe more of a financial question for Bryan. I think you mentioned, ex-Segmint, it was high single-digit RPU growth, and I believe we're lapping that acquisition. So is that a good baseline to think about? Could it potentially be higher than that when you think of some of the implementation and bank mix factors? Just help us at least maybe think through that a little bit.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Yes. So the first quarter, it was 8% is the organic ARPU expansion. And in Q4, it was 7%. So it's a slight tick-up from Q4 2022. When we kind of step back and we think about our longer-term revenue model, where we typically landed is on user growth of about 20% and RPU expansion around 5%. But in any one quarter, those dynamics can change somewhat between one and the other. I feel that overperformance for us or where there's an overperformance opportunity, it will likely come through ARPU expansion as our client sales and add-on sales go-to-market motion continues to accelerate. In Q1 of this year was 50% of total sales. For the full year of last year, it was 34%. So as we're gaining more success in cross-selling into our base, it will provide us a revenue growth advantage because of the speed in which those orders convert to revenue as well as ARPU expansion opportunities.

Josh Beck

Analyst · KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Really helpful. Thanks, Bryan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Schmidt with Citi. Please go ahead.

Andrew Schmidt

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Hey, Alex. Hey, Bryan. Good quarter. Thanks for taking my questions here. I wanted to drill down on just user growth. Any deviations that you saw shortly after the banking turmoil or into the second quarter that you've seen? Obviously, I don't think these things turn on a dime. But just curious if there's any call-outs from a user growth perspective? Thanks guys.

Alex Shootman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Yes. No. As I said earlier, when you kind of look at the statistics we pull out of our system, there was no abnormal movement in user growth between the middle of March and today.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

And in addition to that, Andrew, our existing clients grew again in the low double digits year-on-year. And sequentially, we added just under 300,000 digital users from growth within our base, which, as you're aware, is typically what we – how we think about the business is 100,000 digital user growth per month throughout the year. So it pretty much landed right in the middle of the fairway of what we've always expected.

Andrew Schmidt

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Got it. Thank you for that. Appreciate that. And I apologize if this was discussed. I joined a little bit late. It sounds like demand sales cycles continue to be consistent, pretty robust. But any observations quarter-to-date? Does momentum continue from a conversion perspective? Just curious on the trend line there in terms of more recent trends, if you could share anything?

Alex Shootman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Yes. As I mentioned in my opening comments, connected to both the CEO sentiment and the data from our systems, so far, we've continued to see our sales pipeline grow pretty consistently that's in both new logo and in add-on sales. And if anything, we've seen the mix of the new logo pipeline move from maybe one-third banks, two-thirds credit unions to getting closer to a 50-50 mix between banks and credit union. So we're seeing growth in add-on sales from a pipeline perspective. We've seen fairly consistent growth for new logos. And we've seen a good mix between banks and credit unions.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

And what I'd also add, Andrew, is we're not hearing from our sales force that the sales cycle is extending or there's unexplainable delays in the sales cycle or a shift in investment perspectives of the end market. And in fact, what we're finding is strong needs for innovation in our existing base. We're also seeing that as the take rate of products is increasing in each year's cohort over the last couple of years, and that's continuing into 2023. I mean it's early. We have one quarter that we put up. And in that one quarter, new sales were up over 40% of Q1 of last year. Right now, the visibility we have into our sales pipeline and how that can translate into actual orders and closed business, it looks like we'll have another good quarter in Q2, but now we're predicting the future versus talking about what actually printed. But we have confidence that we're going to go out and execute. We've executed all of 2021, all of 2022. We've executed the first quarter 2023. And there's no reason – we don't see a reason, that is, for that execution to change.

Andrew Schmidt

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Makes sense. I appreciate that. That's very constructive. Maybe I could sneak just one last question in on product. Just the business banking platform, maybe you can comment on just the demand you've seen for that. It seems like that's a pretty key part of kind of penetrating the bank market. Just curious kind of the demand and uptake you've seen just both in terms of signed clients and then also in the pipeline there? Thanks a lot.

Alex Shootman

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

There's actually an extra benefit that's occurred for us on the business banking products. So for sure, the business banking product allows us to be competitive in the bank market. And when you think about the bank market, what it really is, is the bank market where the bank is targeting commercial accounts as their target market. So as an example, we signed a bank in the first quarter, and I talked to that CEO, and their target market is family-owned businesses. And the – we've kind of rethought – there's a hard thing that happens for a small and medium business where they actually have to manage all of the users in their bank account from a governance perspective. And we've rethought that and built something that is more intuitive for small and medium businesses to use than what's on the market. And that CEO told me that one of the reasons why that they were selecting Alkami is what we showed them from – it's called sub-user management. What we've showed them from a sub-user management perspective, he felt like it was going to be easier for his organization to use, and more importantly, easier for his customers to use. So clearly, the product was important to us to be able to be competitive in the bank market, but the dividend that it's paying is that now as credit unions are looking to attract deposits, every credit union CEO that I meet with has, as part of their topic, whether or not they're going to do this as a strategy, but it has as part of their topic, hey, we're considering increasing our investment in business banking because that is a good source of stable deposits. And can you talk to me about what you do from a business banking perspective? So in summary, it's helping us be competitive in the bank market, but it's also helping us because of the desire that credit unions have to attract new deposits, and they see small and medium businesses as a good source of new deposits. And then that's a fairly easy add-on for them since they already have the Alkami platform.

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

And Andrew, just to provide some – more of a quantitative explanation. If you look at our new logo cohort in 2022, just over 40% took business banking on their initial order when banks were about one-third or so of the portfolio. So that kind of speaks to what Alex was just describing. And then when you look at Q1, 60% of the new logos that we signed to business banking. So it is an area where we've invested in the platform. We've improved the functionality. We feel like it's more than game time ready, and it's more about share of voice and marketing and communication around where Alkami's at on that side of the market.

Andrew Schmidt

Analyst · Citi. Please go ahead.

Very helpful. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Saket Kalia with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Saket Kalia

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Okay. Hey. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks a lot for taking my questions and squeezing me in here. Maybe, Bryan, I'll start with you. A lot of focus just on the – and frankly, the number is showing, right, the resilience in the business. I had a little bit of a question for you just on backlog. I think you said we have about 42 clients in backlog. I might have missed how many users we have in that backlog. But maybe the question is, are those clients that are going to be implemented, are those time lines sort of set in stone? I guess is there any chance that those implementations could delay just as we sort of think about how the user base here grows in 2023? Does that make sense?

Bryan Hill

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

No, it does. So 1.4 million users, so those 42 financial institutions represent 1.4 million digital users. And the implementation date is scheduled, and there's – so there's a date that we're trying to land to have the financial institution live on our platform. That's primarily driven by the contractual end date of their current provider. Things can happen during implementation outside of our control. Sometimes it's related to some of the systems that you're integrating with. It could be the core provider. It could be even other systems that can shift out an implementation date a couple of weeks. Sometimes they accelerate a couple of weeks. But in large part, we generally land the implementation date within a couple of weeks of what the original expectation is. There can be some extraordinary circumstances sometimes where that is not the case. But generally, when its items that are in our control, we're sticking that original schedule date.

Alex Shootman

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

As Bryan said, the schedule date is not a date of convenience for the customer. The schedule date is always backed up to they're getting off of another system. So both the customer and Alkami have an incentive to drive towards the schedule date.

Saket Kalia

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

That's a great point. That's a great point. Alex, maybe for you, if I could squeeze a follow-up. And just talking a little bit about the credit union versus bank composition earlier. I was wondering if you could just – just zooming out, could you just talk about the difference in backdrop or defensiveness, right, from a macro perspective, for credit unions versus banks in terms of their willingness to spend and invest in this backdrop?

Alex Shootman

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

I would say, generally, if you think about a business banking product, the bank is charging their customers to use that, right? And so there's a willingness for a bank to invest in a business banking product because that's like – things like an ACH Alert and our business banking product, our revenue-generating products for those institutions. So there is a willingness there. And I would say, generally, credit union has been more focused on the member experience itself and delivering a great service to the members. So that's a very generalized comment. However, in my individual conversations with the institutions and specifically with the credit unions since that was your question, the credit unions will invest in our products for one of three reasons. There are absolutely – I was with a credit union just two weeks ago, $2.4 billion, growing with a lot of growth strategy, and they are a loan-forward credit union. So their strategy is to produce loans and produce revenue through those loans. And so you'll have some credit unions that are very much revenue-forward credit unions. They don't mind talking about selling products. You have others that see this as a service channel and think about costs that they take out of the service channel. And then you see other credit unions that are just very focused on the member experience itself. I was talking with one CEO, and we were talking about the digital or digital marketing capabilities. And she said, I don't – I wouldn't even call this digital marketing, right. For us, this is an investment in member personalization, and that's what we've always been about. That's always been our DNA. And so we're going to invest in it because we're investing in member personalization. So it probably gave you more than you wanted, but there's a pretty wide range of reasons why people invest.

Saket Kalia

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Got it. Now, I will take it. Thanks a bunch guys. I appreciate the time.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session, and our conference has also now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.