Ken Bernstein
Analyst · Citi. Your line is open.
Yeah. And there are certainly, as you just pointed out, a host of factors to try to digest at this moment in time, let me do my best. First of all, the growth, which was what I was discussing and that piece of it, in a period where interest rates are high, where the market is confused, where macro events seem to take control versus micro events like growth. It is hard to say here, what is the value of an asset that's growing at 5% a year versus assets that might be more stable, growing at 1% or 2%. And I think there is that confusion right now. So I'm not going to tell you, well, this is the cap rate you should ascribe to that. But over any extended period of time, if you see more growth, we all know that the markets will reward that. Second point, CapEx. We've been talking about this for a while, and there is a meaningful distinction or at least there was a meaningful distinction between the CapEx expenditure relative to rent in our suburban portfolio versus in our streets. It's as a ratio of rent, higher rent to CapEx, it's much healthier in the streets. That used to be the case. Now that's the case times 2 or 3 because not only have CapEx gone up due to inflation, but the interest cost to carry that CapEx has gone up as well. And thus, that distinction is also one that we are, as an industry, only beginning to digest. Third and final point. Your guesstimate of what inflation looks like over the next five, 10 years is as good as mine, probably better. We're going to operate under the assumption that it's going to be more important going forward to capture NOI growth, sooner rather than later. And the distinction I make between our suburban centers and our street retail and AJ certainly touched on this as well. In the streets, we have higher contractual growth. I think that's going to become more important. In the streets, we have fair market value resets. I think that's going to become more important. And in the streets, we have less CapEx. So that's a long-winded way of saying who the heck knows where values are. The markets are certainly debating it. But we think that over the next year or two, the markets will settle down and they will recognize the importance of growth and less CapEx, especially if we go through an era of higher growth, which should be good for our rents, good for our tenants, and we should be able to deliver on that piece for that segment of our portfolio. So that's a long-winded way, Craig, of trying to touch on all those pieces in a very confusing time period.