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Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, May 8, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the I.D. Systems Inc. First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ken Ehrman, Chairman and CEO, you may begin.

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Thank you. Welcome to I.D. Systems fiscal quarter 2015 conference call, and thank you for everyone who has joined us today. I’m Ken Ehrman, Co-Founder and CEO of I.D. Systems. On the call today, I will summarize our Q1 results, Ned Mavrommatis, our CFO will detail our financials, and Norm Ellis, our new Chief Operating Officer will provide details on our sales and operational efforts. Following our opening remarks, we’ll open the call for Q&A. Before we begin, let me remind everyone that the following discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to the impact of competitive products, product demand and market acceptance risks, fluctuations in operating results, and other risks detailed from time-to-time in I.D. Systems filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These risks could cause the company’s actual results for the current fiscal year and beyond to differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statements made by or on behalf of the company. The first quarter of 2015 reflected both the progress I.D. Systems continues to make and the challenges we remain committed to address it. As we announced in March, we have completed our I.D. Systems 2.0 strategic initiative focused on building quality, repeatable, scalable processes to support our goals for revenue growth and most importantly, profitability. Our accomplishments included accelerated commercial release of four new industry leading products and improved software upgrade process and hosting capability, enhanced analytics software tools, more scalable field service resources, new and improved customer training tools and better processes for supplier quality assurance and customer support. During the first quarter of 2015, we expanded a significant amount of resources introducing these improvements to our top customers as well as leveraging them to help…

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

Thank you, Ken, and hello to everyone on the call. Revenue for the three months ended March 31, 2015 increased 14% to $11.1 million from $9.7 million in the first quarter of 2014, driven primarily by a 35% increase in sales of transportation asset management systems. Recurring revenue increased in the first quarter of 2015 to $4.5 million compared to $4.3 million in the first quarter of 2014. Gross margin was 36% compared to 51% in the first quarter of 2014. As Ken noted, the decrease was primarily attributable to four factors: our continued transition to a new service contract oriented VMS pricing model, start-up cost to onboard our new VMS implementation partner, higher than expected cost for initial production of the company’s new generation of VMS devices and low gross margin on approximately $1.1 million in TAM spare parts through Walmart, which was part of a refurbishment program expected to extend the life of the TAM devices on the Walmart trailers. We expect gross margins to start trending higher as we start to realize benefits through cost cutting initiatives on the VMS hardware and start seeing the benefits of the VMS service contracts. SG&A expenses of $6.8 million were flat compared to the first quarter of 2014. Excluding non-recurring cost of $669,000 related to an unconsummated for strategic initiative in 2015 and $1.1 million of our executive change in 2014, our non-GAAP SG&A expenses in the first quarter of 2015 and 2014 were $6.1 million and $5.7 million respectively. During the last call, I said that we expect SG&A expenses to be in the range of $23 million to $24 million in 2015 and if you exclude the one-time charge of $669,000, we still feel comfortable with that estimate. Research and development expenses increased to $1.2 million from $1.1…

Norm Ellis

Analyst

Thank you, Ned, and hello to everyone on the call today. At a high level, we had solid repeat business in Q1 from core customers. On the TAM side from Ashley Furniture, CH Robinson, Knight, Meijer, Swift, Walmart and other. On the VMS side, from Audi, Bridgestone, Caterpillar, Ford, General Mills, Nestle, P&G, Toyota, U.S. Postal Service, Walgreens and others there as well. We also want initial orders from new customers with strong enterprise potential, including a leading global supplier to the oil and gas industry, one of the world’s most prominent power management companies, one of the largest privately-held Ag businesses in the US, a leading packaged food producer and a leading global manufacturer of engineered polymers. Our general partners also continued to make important contributions to our revenue, with sales to end users across a diverse range of industries, including automotive, food and beverage, grocery, healthcare, home products and mass retail. I want to go in a little more detail on our progress in Q1 with a few customers in particular. First, Toyota, both Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America, an end user of our system and Toyota Industrial Equipment, our channel partner, which is the North American arm of the world’s largest forklift OEM. Toyota Motor Manufacturing supply chip automotive production complex in Kentucky had been a customer of ours since 2002. They’ve also been an advocate for audio systems internally in their organization, which has led to additional Toyota automotive plants choosing to deploy our VMS solutions including one in the first quarter of 2015. Toyota Industrial Equipment and I.D. Systems formally announced our strategic partnership at ProMat 2015, the material handling industry’s largest trade event. We are private labelling the VAC4, our fourth generation VMS hardware unit under the Toyota T-Matics Command brand and providing system…

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Thank you, Norm, and thank you everyone for your time today on the call. We welcome any questions you may have at this time.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And the first question is from Morris Ajzenman of Griffin Securities. Your line is open.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Hey guys. Back on a gross margin front, I mean clearly, you guys are making traction, topline is growing double digits [indiscernible] quarter. So, you’re clearly getting attention vis-a-vis your customers stepping up, but let’s further just drill down on gross margins. Ken, you said, you like to return to 50% range. Is that doable in some quarter in 2015 and then couple that with when do you start making money on a pro forma basis, how many quarters is that for you to see?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

It’s definitely our objective. So, the question will be how many more of our existing customers need the attention that we have to give them in Q1. So, Norm talked about it, but we definitely expanded some significant, what I’d call, field service resources to get the improvements we made during the surge, deployed to our biggest customers that have the most potential to buy more. And if you notice, over the last two or three years, we really didn't get too many enterprise rollouts. We got a lot of customers and they ordered one at a time, maybe another plant every quarter or two. And that was what we were trying to fix, but we also had a tremendous amount of legacy issues that were in our customer base. So we actually spent a lot of time and I made a list, I'm probably not going to have to read them to you, but we spent a lot of time cleaning up issues that were 14 years in the making with our customers whether that Raymond, Knight, as we mentioned Sonoco, Eaton, Toyota, Trac, GM, I mean we invested those resources and at this point what they are telling us, by way of example, and I could go through each one of them is that now they plan on rolling out our system sooner rather than later. So that's what they are telling us. They are going forward and actually placing those orders whether that's John Deere against – Sonoco, for example, just asked for a quote for 24 more sites. So these are the kinds of things that are going to be the outcome of these investments and I really felt strongly that we needed to make those investments because one of the big concerns that everyone had…

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

So 6% gross margin might not happen in 2015 in any one quarter?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

I mean, I don't want to say it the same way you are saying it because the VAC costs are getting lower and we are taking costs out of the products. So as we do that, we should see plus under the service contracts the margins are significantly higher than they have been. So I don't want to make that commitment. What I feel pretty strongly about is the revenue and profitability message that we gave in the last quarter.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Thank you. And I guess maybe for Ned kind of just corollary to that, when do you believe you would be able to start generating cash from activities -- from operating activities?

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

Morris, we expect that the revenue target that we set out on the last call we expect to meet those revenue targets. So as we said last time, we expect the third and fourth quarter of this year to be at a breakeven point from a cash flow and turning into positive.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Thanks. And one last thing, I will get back in queue. Can you just give the VMS and TAM by both product and services revenue?

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

Sure. When you look at the TAM business, $3.3 million came from products and $2.7 million came from service. When you look at the VMS business $3.6 million came from products and $1.3 million came from service and then the $260,000 in service revenue from the rental car business in the quarter.

Morris Ajzenman

Analyst

Thank you.

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

Welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Josh Nichols of B. Riley. Your line is open.

Josh Nichols

Analyst

Yeah, real quick, I know there is probably not too much you can say about the second Avis statement of work, but if I recall the original contract was the statement of work too would include at least 250,000 Avis in April, is that still in play?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

So I am not really allowed to elaborate that much about it, but I think I can probably repeat many of the things that I have said in the past, which is they wanted to roll out our system to their entire fleet, but there has been a lot of changes in their market. Well, that's their marketing objectives. With our technology, we weren't going to simply develop that without a commitment from Avis. So this program is the commitment we were looking for from a financial standpoint to cover the expenses that we need to tether our systems to their next generation requirements. So that's about all I could say, but the whole purpose of this program and we wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't the case, was to be rolling out the technology to their whole fleet upon completion.

Josh Nichols

Analyst

Great. And then I guess just look here, there is few factors I know gross margins, you’ve talked before, anyway that you can quantify specifically the effect of the change in the VMS pricing strategy and what that had on gross margins versus the other items which are kind of more of a one-time and hopefully non-recurring in nature?

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

Hey, Josh, this is Ned. The effect of the changes in the model did have about a 5% impact on the gross margin. A lot has to do with the initial builds of the VAC4 product were higher due to volumes being low. We are doing a couple of things to make sure that we improve our cost which would affect – have a positive impact on this gross margin. The first is a couple of engineering projects that would further reduce our costs. In addition, as we sell more and more of this new VAC4 units and you build a lot more the price of the unit will come down. As well, as I said in my opening remarks, we did sign up already $1.6 million in long-term service contracts related to this VAC4 product. So as that service revenue starts to hit our revenue line that should also help with the gross margins going forward.

Josh Nichols

Analyst

Okay, you said it was $1.6 million in the quarter?

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

I'm sorry, say that again.

Josh Nichols

Analyst

You said $1.6 million just for the service margin aspect in the back portion, is that correct?

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

$1.6 million in long contracts, yes, that we signed related to VAC4 shipments since we introduced the new pricing model.

Josh Nichols

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question is from Andrea James of Dougherty & Company. Your line is open.

Andrea James

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Hi. So it seems like you have a good rationale behind the gross margin performance in Q1, but you are kind of sticking to the revenue growth on this new 15% and profitability of breakeven, these objectives for the full year. And I am just looking at Q1 didn't really get you closer to that. So I am just wondering what gives you the confidence to reiterate what you've said previously rather than, say, lowering expectations in 2015?

Norm Ellis

Analyst

This is Norm, so how are you?

Andrea James

Analyst

Hi, good.

Norm Ellis

Analyst

Like Ken, I am very confident. I mean the pipeline looks phenomenal, so I am very excited about that and the class of customer that we are talking about has very large facilities in size of numbers of units and when you get to that level of installation and deployment, you can be quite effective with that, because you get 50 or 100 vehicles to do which really allows us to optimize the installation part. So on smaller ones we're doing 8 or 10 charge, right, your installation cost can be just proportionately high, but when you can get an assembly line approach to that, which you can get larger facilities that really starts to drive that cost down, and we get paid for that, for those services. So when we do that, we really get a chance to really get a return that is proportionate to the volume and the size of the opportunity that we're rolling out. And again, like I said, the pipeline is very strong and the model as we get more recurring as they build, and they are every quarter now, that's quite comparable on the recurring side, so larger percentage on an ongoing basis against out total. That will also help deliver some of those results later on this year.

Andrea James

Analyst

That's helpful. Thank you. And then this, you mentioned the new VMS implementation partner and there is like some initial costs to integrate them. Is this the one that you had previously announced last year like six to nine months ago or is this a new one?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

I try to eliminate the word new from any place, but it might have been in the script or the press release. So if that's made it in, I'm sorry about that. But, no, it was -- Q1 they were working very diligently in all these customers, so there was lot of learning curve for them and that's what we are talking about there. No, the same customer. Same implementation partner.

Andrea James

Analyst

So it's just the continuation of the same the implementation partner that you guys had hired, they are still getting up to speed, is that how we look at it?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Well, in Q3 and Q4 they were mostly selling VAC3, in Q1 they were selling VAC1, so they had to learn the new processes, I mean VAC4, sorry.

Andrea James

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question is from Jason Revland of Blueprint Capital. Your line is open.

Jason Revland

Analyst

Thanks everyone, I’ve got two questions. The first is just housekeeping on Avis. Is there any exclusivity of cash to this new Avis project and what is the timeline to complete that project?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

There is some slight exclusivity, again I'm not really supposed to talk about this but I'll give you a little bit of what I don't think they would have any issues with. The exclusivity side is more on our side, the custom features that we're creating for them we can't sell to other people.

Jason Revland

Analyst

And the timeline?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

The timeframe is, we're supposed to be completed with this project by the end of the year.

Jason Revland

Analyst

Okay, great to see motion there.

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

It's [Technical Difficulty] that's for sure.

Jason Revland

Analyst

I appreciate the extra color. The second question relates to the Toyota Forklift opportunity, I'm not sure the market is properly discounting the scope of that. Can you give us a better sense of how to model that opportunity i.e. the number of forklifts that Toyota sells, the economics, the sell-through rates and also what is the opportunity to sell to on a retrofit basis to existing forklifts?

Norman Ellis

Analyst

This is Norman, as I mentioned in my comments, the initial rollout with Toyota was four, the new equipment being manufactured in the factory. And there is a significant lead-time on those orders for Toyota. So we'll see some of that little bit later as those orders come to fruition but they’re being placed now. The aftermarket will start in July, and I think there they will see a more immediate impact on -- as far as opportunities to ship and recognize revenue more quickly. But they manufacture right around 40,000 forklifts per year, the large manufacturer in North America. And it’s hard to estimate at this point how many will take the initial use, I like to think there is going to be a large percentage but we're being a little conservative in our approach just to have some upside hopefully but we think there will be some really good penetration, the training we're doing with the dealers has gone very well, they're very excited about it and so as we continue to work, we've actually realigned our sales organization to matchup more directly with the dealers, specifically Toyota and Raymond. So I think we’re positioned well to really leverage that and the work that we did on the host and on the integration side for ordering, configuration, single sign-on and all those things to really may it quite seamless for their dealers to use it and making it easy is really important when you go onto a channel like that and I think we've accomplished that and we'll see the results of that going forward. I hope that answers your question.

Jason Revland

Analyst

It does, if I may follow-up on the aftermarket opportunity. Is that just as exciting as the new forklifts sold in your line?

Norman Ellis

Analyst

Yes, absolutely, in fact there is a lot -- these units left a long time out there right, they’re built with great quality and customers use them for a decade or longer. So, you can take those numbers and multiple them quite significantly on the aftermarket side. I think it's important for people like Toyota and Raymond because they like to really drive value to that end user for the services they can offer for maintenance and support as well as new sales of course. So they’re very interested in supporting customers and aftermarket sales, they believe they can get some competitive differentiation, get introduced maybe just to some new opportunities that they couldn't have got introduced to if they weren't supporting it though. I think the aftermarket will be a big part of our relationship with Toyota going forward.

Jason Revland

Analyst

Great color, thank you all very much.

Norman Ellis

Analyst

All right.

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] The next question is from Bryan Prohm of Cowen. Your line is open.

Bryan Prohm

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple from me [Technical Difficulty] the first and second ways of the [Technical Difficulty] you don't want to talk about but what was the gross margin for those first and second waves of Avis Budget?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

There was really only a first wave, oh no, there was 5,000 unit pilot then a 25,000 unit expansion, I think on the both programs, and Ned correct me if I'm wrong, those programs were at 50% gross margin.

Bryan Prohm

Analyst

Great, thanks. The second question, the $1.6 million in long-term contracts that you spoke of related to VAC 4, is that above or below in line with your expectations. Can you give us some incremental color there? Thanks.

Ned Mavrommatis

Analyst

That was in line with our expectations for the first quarter. So far, the new unit sales for VMS had been in line with our expectations.

Bryan Prohm

Analyst

Okay, great. And then a question on Walmart spare parts, that's two quarters in a row now where there has been [Technical Difficulty] gross margins from Walmart spare parts, are we sort of through that now or is it something that can pop-up again from time to time?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

I think it can pop-up from time to time, they're trying to get all 55,000 units refurbished and the amount of hardware they ordered was probably for 20,000, 25,000 so far. So some don't need refurbishment but until they put their hands on them, we don't know how many. So I heard that we’re going to get another spare parts order, so just you know I think it could continue but it’s hard -- it's all function of their refurbishment process and how many units need refurbishment versus how many don't.

Bryan Prohm

Analyst

Okay, that's great color thanks. Last question from me then, so your outlook for revenue growth at 14% year-over-year, does that include the breaking news today or is that [Technical Difficulty] incremental to the outlook?

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

It is incremental, it wasn't in our budget, but on the other hand, we still got to meet our other revenue numbers. So, yes it's nice to get, because it helps us get to that objective but I think what's going to really help us get to that objective is the investments we've made in Q1 and our key customers. I mean, really I'm just being open about the issue, I mean, when we've had -- we’ve had Sonoco as a customer for nearly two years and the investments we made in Q1, they're talking to us now about 24 locations. We've had Alcoa for almost three or four years and the investments we've made in Q1, they're now telling us they want 13 to 14 more facilities. So that's the way we're going to exponentially grow this Company. And so, for now, we have to continue to do that and believe that those investments will bear fruit as we move forward. So we don't want to just grow at 15%, 15% growth would be Alcoa going from three facilities to four facilities. We're looking for the kind of growth that our customers are today telling us that they would like to achieve.

Bryan Prohm

Analyst

Great thanks, that's all me, I'll talk to you soon guys, take care.

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Dan Weston of WestCap Management. Your line is open.

Dan Weston

Analyst

Yes, hi, good afternoon guys. Most of the questions have been answered at this point, but I just had a housekeeping question regarding Toyota. Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought when you originally signed the deal or announced it with Toyota about a year ago, or maybe not that long, that they had 80 dealers in North America, and did I hear you correct that 270 branches did you say on the call today?

Norman Ellis

Analyst

Between dealers and branches, there is 270, they have 80 what they call dealers which is the term, and when you combine the branches that those dealers have it goes to 270.

Dan Weston

Analyst

Okay, I got it, but the aggregate opportunity hasn't changed at all, it's just semantics between a dealer and a branch?

Norman Ellis

Analyst

Exactly, exactly, same opportunity, yes.

Dan Weston

Analyst

Very good, that's all I had for now, congrats guys thanks.

Norman Ellis

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And there are no further questions in queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over for closing remarks.

Ken Ehrman

Analyst

Okay, great. Well, I want to close with the long-term objectives and then remind everyone what were you know the market opportunity that's in front on us. So as everyone knows, there is nearly 8 million assets or product should and could be installed on today. The good news is, with cellular cost at all-time lows, the expenses to get them there are not really going to get better by waiting. So it's the first time, where we're really just very well positioned both with the relationships we have and with the Norm’s expertise, I think Norm has been doing a fantastic job for us. And so, the investments we made in Q1 and the financials associated with that were disappointing to me, I was certainly not happy with it but on the other hand, if I would have you know looking back at where we spent those resources, it's not like we did a Super Bowl ad, we spent those resources on our key customers, so once they were telling us that they had a champion there, they want it to roll it out across their enterprise, but we just needed to get certain things working that weren't working because they were part of the I.D. Systems’ 1.0 and I think those investments are definitely beginning to bear fruit and so we're very optimistic about the future. Thank you for everyone who joined the call and we'll definitely keep everyone posted.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference, you may now disconnect, good day.