We tend to lose sight of when we say Asia is softening, we are talking about, if China goes from 9% growth to 6%, we view that as a significant economic crisis. Right now, we're not seeing and we haven't been thinking about it. The downside in Asia, the question in our minds is what's the latest growth going to be. The number of new machines going in tends to ebb and flow, and right now it's in an ebb, and the number of new machines starting up does have an impact on our PMC orders and sales.
For us the question in Asia is more is it stable, or we going to see growth? That's the uncertainty. In Europe the uncertainty is, where is the bottom, and in the Americas, the primary uncertainty is, will the economy continue to run sideways? And, if the answer is yes, then what we've been performing should be what we guess. If we starting see a pick-up in economic activity that will be good, and if we see a contagion effect from Europe and G&P really starts to drop, then we have some downside.
Right now we think we have adequately taken into account the downside in Europe. But as I was describing, that's the real uncertainty. That's the real risk factor that we see. As I try to describe to an earlier question, September and October will tell us an awful lot about the outlook over the next few quarters in Europe, because there's a very well-defined seasonal pattern in orders in particular, but also sales in PMC and in paper in Europe. Which as you go, everything slows down in July, and then it comes back hard sometimes in August, usually in September but it could even be delayed until October.
In our mind, the size of the bounce-back will tell us a lot about the depth of the, call it the paper recession in Europe. There likely will be some bounce-back, but is it a muted bounce-back, which says we still haven't hit bottom or is it a sharp bounce-back the way we like nearly see that says we did hit bottom at the end of Q2 and in July. You just don't know until you go through it. We should have pretty clear picture of it in our Q3 call.