Executives
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Joseph Morone – President, Chief Executive Officer Michael Nahl – Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
Albany International Corp. (AIN)
Q1 2008 Earnings Call· Mon, May 5, 2008
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Executives
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Joseph Morone – President, Chief Executive Officer Michael Nahl – Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
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Mark Connelly – Credit Suisse Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities Paul Mammola – Sidoti & Co Ned Borland – Next Generation Equity Research John Emrich – Iron Works Capital
Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Albany International first quarter 2008 earnings conference call. (Operator instructions) I’ll now turn the conference over to our host, President and Chief Executive Officer, Joseph Morone, please go ahead sir.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you Laurie, good morning everyone, welcome to the Albany International Q1 2008 earnings call. As always I’ll start the call with a commentary and then I’ll turn it over to Michael Nahl our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer who will make some amplifying comments about our balance sheet and cash flow. And then we’ll turn the call over to your questions. Q1 2008 results were depressed by a slowdown in all of our North American operations except for engineered composites. By far the largest affect was in PMC. Despite continuing strength in market share, the successful conclusion of several important contract negotiations in 2007 and unusually strong orders, sales in North America were down 12.9% compared to the same period in 2007. This decline in PMC sales reduced operating income by an estimated $3.5 million. There are a number of reasons for this decline, the most significant of which was the impact of the general economic slowdown on an already weakened paper industry. In most publication grades, paper mill operating rates dropped well below their 2007 levels. At the same time some mills ran their paper machine clothing longer than is customary and the net affect was lower consumption of paper machine clothing. The weakness in PMC sales was most pronounced in the third month of the quarter, just as it was in Q4 2007. We saw further evidence of this economic weakness in sales of engineered fabrics to the US building products and fiber cement industries, sales of PrimaLoft products to the US home furnishing retail market and sales of doors to some construction sensitive market segments in the US. Apart from this economic weakness in North America, there were no significant deviations from our expectations for Q1. Each of the emerging businesses performed to plan.…
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you Joe. First a reminder that our comment about forward-looking statements contained in our news release applies equally to the contents of this conference call. Joe mentioned in his comments that we remain on trend towards the strong cash generation that we’ve been projecting for 2009. In the period 2006 through the end of 2008, we will have invested and spent a total of over $450 million towards fundamentally restructuring our businesses and to assure our leadership in our core paper machine clothing business for the future. The $450 million is comprised of $375 million of capital expenditures of which the PMC portion was about $300 million and $75 million of expenses for all of the other transformational costs which we have been identifying for you and which started in the third quarter of 2006. These include SAP procurement, setting up the procurement organization, plant shutdowns, machinery relocations, termination costs, China startup, integration of acquisitions and idle capacity costs. We also invested to begin growing our engineered composites business and to support our other emerging growth businesses. 2009 is expected to be a year in which we transition from net cash use to a substantial net cash generation. Our highest priority is for applying that cash will be to reduce debt and to invest in growing our engineered composites business in which we believe we have unique and important sustainable competitive advantages. The engineered composites business is not particularly capital intensive but when it is growing as fast as we have been and are projecting, we will continue investing in plant expansions, equipment, increases in working capital, increasing research and development and we will continue to add highly skilled people to support our customer’s needs. We will also be growing our engineered fabrics and our door systems and PrimaLoft…
Operator
Operator
(Operator instructions) Your first question is from Mark Connelly – Credit Suisse. Mark Connelly – Credit Suisse: Joe, when you look at this quarter, we certainly have seen a lot of paper companies missing, I’m curious how much of a surprise this was to you and what we should make of sales being down and orders being up, we don’t typically hear Albany talking much about order flow.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
It’s an interesting pattern. In Q4 of last year we were tracking in October or November as we always track all of our indicators and they all showed that we were going to have a strong quarter. And we got to halfway through December then everything went upside down in North America. Exactly the same pattern repeated itself in the first quarter of this year. January looked good, in fact it was a little bit ahead of schedule. February looked good, in fact it was a little bit ahead of schedule. And then March, the thing just slid right down hard and fast. So we didn’t, did we see it coming? No. Now, interestingly enough the pattern is repeating itself again. First month of the new quarter, looking good. And the reason we’re somewhat cautious in the face of very strong orders is we don’t know what’s going to happen in the third quarter until it happens or doesn’t happen. We ordinarily don’t make a big deal about orders as you well know but they’re so strong, we haven’t seen them like this in a long time.
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
I think the one characteristic feature of the orders that was intriguing to us that it appears our share of orders is looking very good.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Yes, if you look from everything we can tell, our orders against industry trends are looking very strong. Mark Connelly – Credit Suisse: It strikes me that there’s two possible explanations here, one, if you look historically at the paper industry for many businesses, there’s one month that sort of makes or breaks the quarter and in the first quarter it’s March and in the second quarter it’s April and in the third quarter it’s September and in the fourth quarter it’s October. That doesn’t seem to be what’s happening if your April is strong. But certainly for a lot of paper producers if March is weak it really didn’t matter what happened in January and February. The second issue is with respect to what your competitors are doing, you don’t have a lot of competitors with balance sheets out there right now. And I’m just wondering whether what we might have seen is some drawing down of inventories from competitors and now you’re picking up some of that slack. Do you have any indication beyond what you said about market share that that may be happening?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
We’d just be speculating Mark. It is interesting that the third month effect that we’ve seen now has occurred in other industries as well. If you go from GE to Whirlpool to the retail industry, we’re seeing indications of this kind of effect which again points back to a more general economic phenomenon going on. We build into our models and our expectations weakness in the paper industry. We know it’s there, we quantify it, we have a list of every paper mill in North America and we have some of them on a watch list and some of them are healthy. And all of that we build into our planning. What beats our planning are these unpredictable swings that happen in the third quarter that seem to go beyond the trends in the paper industry. Mark Connelly – Credit Suisse: On the portfolio and the decision to get out of filtration, should we think of this as a one-off? You know you’ve talked about filtration in the past being a fast growth business in China, now you’re exiting the business, can you help us think about some of these other things. I know everybody except me has asked you to sell doors at one time or another. I’m just wondering when you look at composites, engineered fabrics and all that stuff, is there other stuff that’s going to go here?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Let me try to come at this from two different directions and they’re both very compatible with what Michael was saying before, they really build on what Michael was saying. The fundamental premise behind our cash and growth strategy is that we want to get to a portfolio of businesses that are self sustaining, that is we’re able to generate the cash and generate the growth within, with cap ex levels within the total for depreciation and amortization so that the portfolio is self sustaining. If you can reinvest back in the core and drive all the growth you need to drive without exceeded our bogey of $70 million a year, that’s the whole point of this model, that’s what leads to the combination of free cash flow plus exciting growth. And to get to preserve that fundamental premise, $70 million cap ex per year roughly going into the out years, we have to start making choices among these businesses. They’re all growing to the point where we have to make some choices. Three years ago we made some investments in the filtration business, particularly in China, which are having a lot to do with the current wave of growth. But if this business were going to be a keeper for us, we’d have to start investing now and next year and the year after for the next wave of growth three to five years out. And that’s where we have to start making trade-offs. When we start making those trade-offs, a portfolio of PMC plus composites plus doors plus engineered fabrics and PrimaLoft, it gives us the ability for the self sustaining cash and growth, more so than having filtration replacing one of those others. We’re left with a portfolio two to three years from now that has a…
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
We’ve said repeatedly this is a three year process that we started in the third quarter of 06. When we’re done, we will be producing PMC where we want to be producing PMC. We should by then have optimized the global structure of this business. At that point, it’s less about structure and more about, almost entirely about execution. We’re not imagining that the restructuring goes on forever, we’re halfway through but once we’re done, we think we’re done. Then if there is more investment it’s going to be expansion of capacity for growth, not restructuring of the sort we’re talking. And if that were to occur, it would be occurring in the growth markets of Asia and South America. Now the first question was about cyclicality within the engineered fabrics business, the engineered fabrics business is best thought of as an aggregation of about six different product lines that all share one common attribute, they’re really taking paper machine clothing like structures made with paper machine clothing like manufacturing equipment but selling into industries outside of paper, in some cases right next to paper, adjacent to papers and some far afield. So to figure out the cyclicality we’d have to go segment by segment. The biggest segment right now is the non-wovens business which is the business that makes diapers, surgical gowns, swiffers. That market right now is certainly vulnerable to economic pressures but it’s also heavily driven by demographics. And in that sense, there’s a lot more growth to it than you would expect to see in paper machine cloth in the paper industry. Fiber cement on the other hand is completely driven by the housing market dynamics because it’s entirely selling into construction related markets. We’d have to go into a long explanation here and go segment by segment. Suffice it to say, they don’t all line up, cycles don’t all line up, they’re being driven by very different underlying factors, construction in some cases, demographics in others.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: A follow up to Mark’s question on EFC, it’s a lumpy business and you showed dramatically stronger growth this quarter than you have in several quarters, was there a single order or two that accounted for the strong growth?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Engineered fabrics, no I don’t think it was a single order as much, and again you’ve got to go segment by segment, we did have, if you go back and look at our earnings call a year ago, it had a weak Q1 in sales and then we said you know a lot of this top line is driven by OEM business, that is the original equipment manufacturers build customized machines that run our fabrics and there was a temporary slowdown in that construction. Well that picked right up as we had expected and so there isn’t anything fundamentally new or different going on in that business and a lot of the big quarter, I hate to say this, a lot of the big quarter this time was due more to a weak comp than it was to anything fundamental going on. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Shifting gears to filtration, you gave us the earnings contribution for this quarter but obviously it’s going to be a discontinued operation, can you give us a feel for perhaps the 07 total revenue contribution, total earnings contribution so that we can build our models excluding this. And I assume when possible you’ll provide an 8-K with pro formas?
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
The latter is absolutely true Arnie and you’ll have the exact numbers in that 8-K. Let me just give you a general guideline and David Pawlick is here with me and you can fine tune anything that I put out here David. But with regard to 2007, the operating income was around $4.3 million. That was the equivalent at last year’s tax rate of about $0.11. And I just used the 25% tax rate on that David. And the earnings in the first quarter of last year were around $0.01 per share, as they were in the first quarter of this year. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: So obviously the earnings grow during the course of the year.
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
Correct. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: And the proceeds, what sort of interest rate should we assume that you’ll be able to invest that at or pay down debt at?
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
I think for working purposes you should assume that it will be somewhere between 4% or 5%, remember we do have debt in place, our average interest rate for the first quarter was around 4%, so you could use that number. Let’s just use a net cash of something in the range of $40 million on the $45 million purchased and that would as coincidentally come in at around $0.04 per share which would be less than the amount of operating income that it earned last year. However, that begs the obvious question that the whole point of this is the portfolio strategy that Joe has nicely articulated here that we have a higher and better use for the capital with regard to that strategy he’s outlined. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: I thought it was interesting that you went through a pretty extensive discussion of your leverage and the covenant and other various issues that would get in the way, should we therefore assume that your hope or goal is to reinvest in acquisitions rather than just paying down debt?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Our hope, our explicit goal is to be in the position to seize acquisition opportunities that make sense once they come around. And I don’t think there should be any surprise here Arnie, we view doors and AEC as significant growth opportunities. And there’s plenty of opportunity for organic growth, but we want to be prepared for the right opportunities as they come around. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: On the SAP, you had mentioned you’re going to go through an important startup phase, are the expenses on SAP unevenly balanced to when you do something like a startup. In other words, we know what your impact was in the current quarter, does it grow when you actually do a major startup?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
The portion that’s expensed which is what we talk about will go up during the startup phase, yes. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Any sense of a quantification of that?
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
No we don’t have anything that we can provide right now.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
The guidance we have given you before on general assumptions to make about SAP spending is still good in the $10 million range. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: And shifting to composites, you had dramatically faster growth this quarter than you had last and you had mentioned last time there was some timing issues, how much of a 43% growth was some timing of past products?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
I think it’s the nature of the beast Arnie that there will always be some timing issues. So the general trend is very positive but if it’s 45% one quarter ahead of last year and 25% the next quarter, that’s really timing. I mean if you just look at our big landing gear project with Boeing, a quarter ago they were pushing us real hard to accelerate, now they’re pulling back a little bit. All of those sales are going to come, but exactly when they come is purely a matter of timing. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: I guess where I’m heading with this is to the extent you had much better than expected or strong revenue this quarter, which helped reduce the loss to $1.8 million from $3 million the prior quarter, as we look towards the back half of the year, is the key to getting the profitability goal you spoke to better execution or more volume?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
First, although the second certainly helps, let me just break down the profitability question. There are two factors driving that. The first is manufacturing efficiencies. And we turn the corner on that in Q1. The team in Boerne, Texas is doing most of the production now and their biggest project, the Eclipse project, really did a great job in Q1 getting ahead of the manufacturing efficiency. This is the productivity measured as parts per week, ship sets per week. The amount of rework, productivity is way up, the amount of rework is way down, they’re doing exactly what they should be doing. So I think we’ve, through some very strong leadership and implementation of lean principles, we’re feeling like we’ve turned the corner on manufacturing efficiency. The second driver of profitability is how much are we spending and are we will to spend to fuel development of next gen projects. And that will become going forward the driver of how profitable this business is. I can tell you that every month we’re talking about another new opportunity, I’ve got a list of five of them on my desk that Michael and I were talking about this weekend that just came in from the head of the business, Brian [Tofenbery] that are [expungent], that we hadn’t been anticipating but they’re knocking on our doors. And the issue is, if we take these on we’re going to have to spend more on R&D, we’re going to have to spend more on engineering, it will hurt profitability. Is it worth doing? Absolutely. Can we still get to our target of going profitable by Q3? Yes. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Even with these incremental expenditures?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Yes.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Paul Mammola – Sidoti & Co. Paul Mammola – Sidoti & Co: On pricing, [Zere MC, Steven White] on their fourth quarter conference call said that people had pointed to them saying they’re the reason for the bad pricing in PMC, but to sustain their business going forward they can no longer be that low cost provider in terms of price. Now to me that would signal that maybe there would be an improvement in pricing, has any of that transpired from your eyes so far?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
There are lags in and the lags in this industry can be as long as a year, year and a half. But let’s just play it out, if he concluded that, if a competitor or we concluded that we wanted to change how we price, the first opportunity to do that would be in new contract negotiations. And there’ll be a round of contract negotiations in the second quarter, both in Europe and North America. So the contract negotiation phase in June, the new contracts don’t go into effect until September or October. And then the products that are priced at the new level will have to flow through inventory. And so from just that first contract, you could see a six to nine month, even a one year lag before a new pricing policy starts to flow in. Then there’ll be second order effects, the next waves of contracts that are influenced by contract negotiations that are influenced by this first one, so the whole pricing effect can be as long as a year and a half before it really washes through. We have some very good evidence of this. The contract negotiations in Europe in 2006, this is before you were following us Paul, but that really brought price to the top of everybody’s radar screen or the middle of everybody’s radar screen. Those contract negotiations took place in June of 06 that first and second and third order effects of those lower prices in Europe only finished washing through in Q1 of 08, which is why we said we expect price stability in Europe for the rest of 08, because that last wave of negotiations has now washed through. The next wave of consequence of contract negotiations won’t begin to hit until 09. Paul Mammola – Sidoti & Co: You’ve touched on before that if there is price stability or instability, you would let investors know, so given that there could be a lag, will we know how the negotiations go in the second quarter, maybe on the second quarter conference call?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
If you go back to our Q2 06 call, we started warning investors that pricing was getting funky in Europe and we actually caught some heat from investors because they weren’t hearing the same from others. And sure enough it played out the way we said it would. So there is and there is in Europe, there will be a very important wave of contract negotiations. I’m not sure they’ll be completed by the end of Q2, it looked like they were but now it might be more like Q3. But that’s the next big wave of negotiations in Europe. We had been looking at a big negotiation here in North America, happened to be Bowater, but they’ve put that off until Q1 of 09. So there are no big opportunities for changes in price parameters really over the balance of this year. For us the big uncertainty this year for the balance of this year is going to be economic. Really what I tried to, those are the parameters I was trying to lay out for you in my commentary that in the past, what have been the big effects on our results in PMC is materials prices due to oil, oil price increases and its price and those are feeling stable right now for the balance of the year. Orders look strong, so the only element of uncertainty given recent experience, a big element of uncertainty is the general economics in North America in particular. Paul Mammola – Sidoti & Co: What can we look forward to or just some color on Hangzhou coming online in the back half of 08?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Same old, same old. It’s on track, we hope to start producing the first fabrics in Q3. There will be, we’re trying to lay out the startup costs for you each quarter, once it starts up there will be some major idle capacity costs as a large plant with big depreciation is gradually ramping up. So the flip side of the pre-startup cost is the post-startup ramp-up which will have a negative effect which we’ll continue to explain to investors. But right now it’s on track.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Ned Borland – Next Generation Equity Research. Ned Borland – Next Generation Equity Research: One question here on market share of orders, sort of a follow up to one of Mark’s questions. Where are you in the various geographies in terms of market share versus compared to your expectations when you started out this restructuring program?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
I think we’re a little better than we had expected when we started on the restructuring program, both in Europe and in North America. Ned Borland – Next Generation Equity Research: Okay. Looking at the order growth that you had in North America, it seems if you’ve got a down market and the orders are that strong and then, is it possible to infer that you’ve been taking some share back?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Yes, I think it is. As I said, I just want to say it again, we’d be very optimistic right now except for this general economic weakness. And it’s great to have the orders in hand. You know I don’t think, we don’t ordinarily make a big deal about it, but the order and sales ratio is at a rate that we haven’t seen in a long time and keep asking Michael and [Rich Costrine], we’ve been here for at least 100 years collectively, if they’ve ever seen this before and they say no this is very unusual. So I guess they’re hedging their bets saying there was at some point they saw these kind of orders and sales ratios but they haven’t seen them in a while.
Operator
Operator
Your final question comes from John Emrich – Iron Works Capital. John Emrich – Iron Works Capital: What are the discrete tax adjustments and the tax rate was 20% in the quarter but I’m guessing you’re still looking at 25% for the rest of the year. So two questions and that’s it.
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
I’m going to give you a non-answer to the first part and then I’m going to confirm that it’s 20% is the tax rate that we believe will be effective for the year. But the reason we don’t go into answers to discrete tax items is that it is not particularly helpful in negotiating outcomes with various parties that may be involved and so we’re just not going to go into it John. John Emrich – Iron Works Capital: I apologize, explaining it the way you did just helped me understand at least what you’re doing. That’s fine. And then you said 20% is the rate going forward?
Michael Nahl
Chief Executive Officer
Yes 20% is the rate that we’re comfortable with for the year. John Emrich – Iron Works Capital: Did I miss the prior disclosure, is that a slight decrease from?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
No I think I wasn’t explicit enough, it’s what’s playing out is the consequences of some of the restructuring we’re going through in Europe. Now why we did what we did but it’s one of the second order effects.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Joe in your prepared remarks you spoke about new products in R&D that are in or approaching trials. Since you put it in your press release, perhaps you could expand on it, what’s the sense of timing and sort of what are the advantages of some of these new products and are they impacting your orders?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
I think it’s a little too early for them to be impacting the orders. But our product pipeline right now for each product line in PMC is looking better than it’s looked in a long time. And I was just scanning down the list mentally, in each case, the impact is primarily performance to the customer more than it is cost savings to us. So in every instance, in each of our product lines, there’s a new product or product platform is a better way of thinking about it that has the potential for significant improvement in performance which will have if we do this right, will have a positive effect on pricing. Now whether that means it just prevents erosion or actually leads to positive price impact remains to be seen. But typically for a new product with new performance advantages for the customer, that’s the single best vehicle in the paper machine clothing business to alter pricing dynamics. I would prefer not to get into the specifics of what the product enhancements are, I wouldn’t be talking about them if we didn’t believe that they offered significant performance improvements for the customer. The later the performance change the longer it takes for the product to get introduced into the market. The paper industry is very conservative when it comes to paper machine clothing and changing paper machine clothing because as we’ve talked about before, you can’t run the machine unless the paper machine clothing is running stably and effectively. So if they’re running well, they are loathe to run a trial on a new product that we’re claiming will provide an advantage. But we do get the opportunities if an industry where major innovations wash through slowly. To us right now, we’ve gone over a two year period from being concerned about the pipeline to now being concerned about what’s our strategy for rolling out these new products and what segments at what positions at what rate. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: And another comment you made in your prepared remarks that you hope to offset the higher cost of oil, I guess the question I’m grabbling with is you have a signed contract in place and oil spikes up as it did in the last quarter, how do you offset the higher oil price?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
The right context for that one is remember that as part of this restructuring effort, we’re going from what was essentially a $750 million business in PMC with 12 different independent profit centers to one global business. And that meant that we had 12 in effect different, slightly overstated but not by much, negotiations with raw material suppliers and we’re now making the conversion to one set of negotiations with a professional procurement organization. And so the offset is really more about our buying practices than it is about details. And the leverage we’re able to get through those buying practices that result from the restructuring than having to do with the particulars of contracts and absorbing raw material increases. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Shifting gears to composites, a couple questions related to that, you mentioned the Eclipse on this call and in your annual report you showed the 787. As we think out over the next two years, other than the, you obviously are the landing gear braces in the 787 and I don’t think you’ve told us what you do on the Eclipse.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
About 60 different parts on each Eclipse, 45-60 different small parts in the fuselage. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: Is the only exposure you have to the 787 the landing gear braces?
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
There’s on other small project. But clearly the big one is the landing gear. We’ve talked about this before. It takes typically four to six to seven years of joint development with the OEM to get onto a new platform. This landing gear project materialized and came to fruition in two years. It’s just unbelievable that we’re even on the 787. This business was too young to really, it wasn’t existing for all intents and purposes when all of the development work was going on for the 787. For us the prize is still the next wave of platforms, particularly around the single isle aircraft. Arnie Ursaner – CJS Securities: And again staying on composites, can you give us any feel for the number of facilities, the square footage of these facilities, the number of employees you have and there reason I’m going down that path is in your cap ex guidance it does not build in additional spend for new facilities or a further expansion in composites, yet it sounds like you have quite a few other opportunities that you’re considering.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
In our current cap ex plan, we have a significant expenditure for a major expansion in our Boerne, Texas plant. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it’s a doubling of capacity down there. In last year’s cap ex spend, there was a significant expansion in our Rochester plant, Rochester, New Hampshire, which is already filled up. So there’ll be further expansion in both locations, but to just reinforce the point, those expansions we can finance within that $70 million bogey that we view as a fundamental premise to the cash grow model.
Operator
Operator
Mr. Morone I’ll turn the call back to you for any closing remarks.
Joseph Morone
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you all for participating on the call and for the questions and Michael and I will look forward to seeing you at the various investor conferences over the course of the next few months. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The replay of this conference call will be available at the Albany International website beginning at approximately Noon Eastern Time today.