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AIFU Inc. (AIFU)

Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 26, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by CNinsure's Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) For your information, this conference call is now being broadcast live over the Internet. Web cast replay will be available within three hours after the conference is finished. Please visit CNinsure's IR website at ir.cninsure.net, under the Events and Webcasts section. Today's conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to your host for today's conference, Ms. Oasis Qiu, CNinsure's Investor Relations Officer.

Oasis Qiu

Management

Good morning. Welcome to our second quarter 2014 earnings conference call. The earnings results were released earlier today and are available on our IR website as well as on newswire. Before we continue, please note that the discussion today will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The accuracy of these statements may be impacted by a number of business risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected or anticipated. Such risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to those outlined in our filings with the SEC, including our registration statement on Form 20-F. We do not undertake any obligation to update this forward-looking information, except as required under applicable law. Joining us today is our Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chunlin Wang; and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Peng Ge. They will walk you through our financial and operating performance in the second quarter 2014, answer your questions after the prepared remarks. Now I will turn the call over to Mr. Wang.

Chunlin Wang

Management

[Interpreted]. Hello everyone, thank you for joining us on today's call. On today's agenda, I will give you an update on the financial highlights for the second quarter 2014, and share with you our strategic development. Our CFO, Mr. Peng Ge and I will take your questions after this. Firstly, looking at the industry performance, China insurance industry slightly recovered this year with total gross premiums up 21% year-over-year in the first half 2014. While gross premiums in the P&C sector was up 16% from the first half 2013, in life insurance sector, market condition was much improved, which resulted in an upsurge in new business sales, posting a 23% growth in total premiums from the first half of 2013. Now looking at our financial performance, benefiting from our transformation and restructuring, we were back to double-digit growth, with a strong rebound in top line and bottom line growth for three consecutive quarters. During the second quarter of 2014, our total net revenues once again beat guidance up by 20.8%, a record high for the prior 10 quarters. Our operating profit was up 95 times, primarily driven by the strong growth in top line as well as because our gross margins -- the flattish gross margins and the improved expense ratio, both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter, and the decline in the expense ratio was primarily attributable to an effective cost control due to the restructuring, and a decrease in share-based compensation expenses, which translated into a substantial growth in operating profit and adjusted EBITDA during the quarter. As a result, our EPS for the second quarter 2014 was up 163.4% year-over-year. Looking at each of our business segments, our traditional business continued to maintain stable growth, while new business segments continued a very strong growth momentum into the second quarter. Insurance…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your first question comes from the line of Arthur Hall of Hallco Incorporated. Please ask your question.

Arthur Hall - Hallco Inc.

Analyst

Yes. Congratulations on an improving result. You have increased your investment in the trust product substantially to 600 million in the quarter, could you discuss the average yield on those products and your prospects for increasing the investment even further? And also the safety, the relative safety of those products? Thanks.

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Peng Ge

Analyst

[Interpreted]. Well, we have been granted a -- we have been authorized by the Board to decide -- to allow the management to invest in a certain type of trust plan with relatively high yield and low risk; and when we select this trust plan, we will have very stringent requirements. First of all, we are required to select only the top 20 of the 30 trust plans, and then secondly, we need to have a very clear understanding, and we need to be very comfortable about the underlying assets and the risk control capabilities of the relative trust company, and the average yield of these products are about 7% to 8%, which is much higher than the bank savings.

Arthur Hall - Hallco Inc.

Analyst

Thank you very much. Could you talk about the further increases in those investments?

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Peng Ge

Analyst

[Interpreted]. First of all, cash reserves have to be put aside for -- to support our strategic developments, to support the growth of the company. And as Mr. Wang mentioned that we have some plans, we have some online initiatives this year. So I believe that we will have certain -- we will acquire large amounts of investments in our internet strategies in the near term. So there won't be a very big increase in our investment and in any of the short term trust products.

Arthur Hall - Hallco Inc.

Analyst

All right. Thank you.

Oasis Qiu

Management

Thank you, Arthur.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Andy Nahas of Prospect Fund. Please ask your question.

Andy Nahas - The Prospect Fund

Analyst

I was wondering if you could tell me about the likelihood of any potential partnerships with any of the big internet companies in China? And also, I was wondering if you could give a little bit more description of what you might discuss at the corporate day in October that you had mentioned?

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Chunlin Wang

Management

[Interpreted]. First of all, we have been looking for potential cooperation with some big Internet companies in China, but the only precondition is that, we must have certain foundation in our online initiatives, so that there will be better bargaining power for us when we talk with these major Internet companies. And we would like to develop our own online initiatives that can actually complement certain [indiscernible] of these Internet companies. So this is the direction that we have been working on, and then secondly regarding to what we are going to discuss in the Corporate Day, basically we would like to give some -- regarding our O2O strategy, our strategic directions, and how the Internet initiatives will support our offline sales and service network, and how these online platforms and the offline operations will be [similarly] (ph) connected with each other in order to achieve the results, help the company to achieve better efficiency and reduce our operating costs.

Andy Nahas - The Prospect Fund

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Oasis Qiu

Management

Thank you, Andy.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Adam Smith from Columbia Business School. Please ask your question.

Adam Smith - Columbia Business School

Analyst

Hi gentlemen. Thank you so much. Great news, it seems like recently with CNinsure’s stock price, could you comment on the recent jump on the stock price and the recent news release regarding settlement of the recent situation with the lawsuit? Thank you.

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Chunlin Wang

Management

[Interpreted]. First of all, I think the stock performance in certain ways reflect our earnings performance in the past quarters. After we have seen improvement in our top line and bottom line growth for three consecutive quarters, we are back to double digit growth again. And then secondly, our efforts to invest in the online initiative is also in line with the current trend, and we are at the frontlines of actually, in terms of our internet presence in the insurance intermediary sector, so that should give some comfort to investors. We have obtained the final approval from the court on the agreement to settle the client's action lawsuit in July; and we think that's a good thing. That means that we can put this further behind, and we can focus more of our energies on executing our internet strategies to drive the company's further growth. So, I am happy about the settlement.

Adam Smith - Columbia Business School

Analyst

Thank you.

Oasis Qiu

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Once again, your next question comes from the line of Andy Nahas of Prospect Fund. Please ask your question.

Andy Nahas - The Prospect Fund

Analyst

Yes. So I want to congratulate you on the 20% growth, by the way, which seems to be improving. I wonder, do you think you will reach to a point of maybe even 30% growth rate in the future, and if so, what will be the cause of that?

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Peng Ge

Analyst

[Interpreted]. We plan to host a conference in October, and in order to give [indiscernible].

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Colin McBirney of PIMCO. Please ask your question.

Colin McBirney - PIMCO

Analyst

Hi guys. Congratulations on a solid quarter. I was just hoping that you could kind of talk through your plans for deploying your excess capital. To my opinion, you guys have a great business capital-weight [ph], and I guess, the excess cash on your balance sheet is somewhat of a drag on your return. And so I was wondering, what your plans are for returning cash to shareholders or deploying cash, and what sort of return opportunities you might be seeing in terms of what returns you get on the cash you could deploy, and what those opportunities look like? Thank you.

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Chunlin Wang

Management

[Interpreted]. In order to achieve our strategic growth, our cash spending plan will be as follow; first of all, in order to execute our O2O strategies, we need to further strengthen our offline sales and sales network, and it's also in line with the regulatory requirement actually. So firstly, we need to use some cash to buyback the minority interest of our subsidiaries, so that we can have full control over these subsidiaries, and our offline sales and sales network can similarly connect with the online platform. And then secondly, we need to [indiscernible] some capital to invest in the IT infrastructure, related to, first of all the CNpad, which is our mobile sales support system; and then secondly, related to a LBS-technology base, claims platforms, and further details will be announced in our Corporate Day. And certainly, there will be some investments to -- in terms of marketing of our B2C platforms. Right now, I think the major attractiveness of big major internet companies that they have a huge customer base, and then -- in order to acquire our own direct customers, we also need to invest in the advertising and marketing program. As Mr. Wang just mentioned that, we launched eHuzhu program one and a half month ago. We didn't do any advertising actually, but just within two and half months, we already had like 60,000 members. So we have kind of feeling that, actually customers do have a lot of demand for financial and insurance services. So that's what we are going to do, we are going to initiate the marketing program, and then we need to invest in this area. And then, fourthly, as you may know that insurance industry, and the financial services industry in China are highly regulated; and as CNinsure's scale continues to expand and our social interest continues to increase, we may participate in the upstream companies by either subscribing for minority shares in some upstream companies or setup joint ventures. So we need to also earmark certain capital in this area as well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of private investor Albert Twan [ph]. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

[Foreign Language].

Oasis Qiu

Management

[Foreign Language].

Chunlin Wang

Management

[Interpreted]. First of all, the accounts receivable primarily represents the insurance commissions incurred during our day-to-day operations; because there is a certain settlement period for the insurance commission in January at about one month, so it's something that occurred during the normal day-to-day operations. And then secondly, the other receivable mainly represents the interest income, encouraged by the interbank savings, as part of our investment in the trust plans. And then certainly, the amount due to related parties, that's amount related to one-off really and then, which is BFSG, and also Jintai team. We have granted 200 million loan to BFSG, and about 130 million loan to Jintai Asset Management Company, and these loan facilities have been approved by our board, and we do not expect the amount of the loan welfare to increase, that will be stabilized at the current level.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Thank you. There are no other questions on the line. I would now like to hand the conference back to today's presenters, please continue.

Oasis Qiu

Management

Thank you for joining us on today's call. So if there are nay further questions, please feel free to contact me. Thank you.