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Agilysys, Inc. (AGYS)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Agilysys Fiscal 2016 Third Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Some statements made on today’s call will be predictive and are intended to be made as forward-looking within the Safe Harbor protections of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Also the Company believes that its forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially. Important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from these in the forward-looking statements are set forth in the Company's report on Form 10-K and 10-Q and news releases filed within the Securities and Exchange Commission. I’d now like to turn the call over to Mr. Jim Dennedy, President and CEO.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Thank you, Trisha, and good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us on the call today to review our fiscal 2016 third quarter results. Joining me today is our Chief Financial Officer, Janine Seebeck. Before we get started, just a quick reminder that on the call today we'll be discussing some non-GAAP metrics, primarily adjusted cash from operations, and adjusted EBITDA which eliminates the effect of restructuring and other items that are either non-cash or non-recurring. Reconciliations to GAAP metrics are provided in the financial section of the press release issued earlier today. Beginning with the brief overview of our financial results, total net revenue for the third quarter increased 27% to $31.3 million compared to total net revenue of $24.7 million in the comparable prior-year period. We are pleased with both the overall result, as well as the fact that we saw growth within each component of reported revenue. Product revenue was up over 65%. Recurring revenue or support maintenance and subscription revenue, increased by almost 7%. And professional services revenue grew 26% versus the comparable prior year period. For the first nine months of fiscal 2016, total revenue increased by 18% versus the comparable prior year period driven by growth across all three of our revenue components. Importantly, our subscription-based recurring revenue continues to grow, posting a 24% year-over-year increase for the third quarter of fiscal 2016, and representing over 18% of total recurring revenue and 9% of total revenue. Taking a quick look at the rest of our key financial metrics. Gross margin for the quarter was 53% compared to 57% in the prior year period, while adjusted EBITDA was $600,000 compared to an adjusted EBIDTA loss of $300,000 in the same period last year. We reported a net loss for fiscal 2016 third quarter of $1.7…

Janine Seebeck

Analyst

Thanks, Jim, and good morning everyone. Our third quarter fiscal 2016 revenue was $31.3 million, a 27% increase from total net revenue of $24.7 million in the comparable prior year period. Revenue for the first nine months for fiscal 2016 grew 18% over the first nine months of fiscal 2015. Looking at revenue in greater detail, products revenue increased 65% or $4.7 million to $11.9 million or 38% of total revenue. Hardware related revenues grew 75% and software related revenues grew 45% over the prior year period. The hardware growth included one large hardware refresh as well as new hardware sales related to our proprietary software sold at the service. Support, maintenance and subscription revenue increased 7% or $976,000 to $14.9 million compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2015 largely as a result of our continued focus on selling hosted perpetual and subscription-based services. Subscription-based revenues grew by over 24% in the third quarter versus the prior year period and by 27% on a year-to-date basis. Professional services, revenue grew 26% or $4.5 million compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2015. We are pleased to see growth across all three reporting revenue lines. In particular, we are pleased to see continued growth in our recurring revenues, which as Jim mentioned accounted for 48% of total net revenues for the third quarter and 50% of total net revenues for the first nine months of fiscal 2016. Moving down to income statement, cost of goods sold totaled $14.8 million or a 39% increase versus the prior year period, while our total gross profit increased $2.4 million or 17% for the third quarter of fiscal 2016, we experienced a decline in gross margins to 53% for the third quarter of fiscal 2016 from 57% in the prior year period. The decline…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Phil Bernard with Eilers & Krejcik Gaming. Your line is now open.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Hi guys, thanks for taking my call. Congratulations on a solid quarter. Looks like we’re making a progress here. First question product sales made a strong bump and you were mentioning that how to deal with the sales remarketed. Just wondering how you continue to see that going forward and whether you continue to, I guess it has to coincide with large contracts? How do you see that going forward in the next quarter and then in 2017?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Phil, I’ll give you some color on what happened in the quarter and Janine can maybe provide some more details but it typically products both proprietary and remarketed are good percentage of our overall revenue, it’s not the majority but it’s a good percentage of our overall revenue and this particular quarter remarketed products were about 25%, 26% of total revenue for the quarter when it’s typically in this 15% to 18% range. It was benefitted by one fairly large hardware deal but majority was driven by subscription bookings where we're taking the hardware portion of the total deal today and then the subscription service portion of the deal for the software related services are stretched over time. To the extent that our bookings continue to express preference for subscription type contracts, we see that trend continuing and for that reason when Janine expressed the forward view of what fiscal '17 is going to look like in terms of a growth rate range of 8% to 12% next year, we see that continuing to be driven by the types of bookings that we’ve seen in our fiscal '16 to-date. We see that trend continuing in the '17.

Janine Seebeck

Analyst

Phil just to add on to that - to think about your question I do think that the mix of revenue will probably be similar as we move into the fourth quarter and as we drive into '17, as Jim mentioned I think we’re seeing this trend as we’re seeing a lot of the deals Jim mentioned on the call are subscription based where under the Rev Rec Rules we can take the hardware upon delivery of weekly upfront but we’re spreading that software license over the term. It will take longer for us to see that software revenue hit where normally we used to take an upfront pop for that, I do think we’re going to start to see that mix shift. The third quarter versus the first quarter where we really saw that have a bigger impact, I’d say that I think the fourth quarter is showing that similarly and we’re continuing to drive that as we’re planning for fiscal '17.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Okay, great. And then down to recurring revenue, what is the mix between support and maintenance and the SaaS based revenue?

Janine Seebeck

Analyst

The mix is still consistent of the total revenues. When you look at it I think the subscription is about 9% of total revenue which is probably about 20% of the support maintenance line itself. So you’re still probably looking at about an 80/20 split within that line item - support versus subscription.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Got it. And do you expect that to - the subscription base to trend up I’m assuming into 2017?

Janine Seebeck

Analyst

We do expect it to trend up. As I was mentioning I don’t think it’s going to pop huge right, it takes longer to bring that in with the contract terms coming in but we definitely think that we'll continue to see trends at similar or slightly higher percentages than what you see stay at this growth rate.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

And on the call, if I heard correctly I think you mentioned Jim 235,000 rooms through your hotel management. How many of those are on the hosted rGuest Stay platform or the hosted LMS platform that you guys recently dealt? A – Jim Dennedy: The hosted LMS is a relatively new introduction. We’ve about half a dozen customers that are on the hosted LMS products. So we’re talking something in maybe total of 1,000 rooms at most on hosted LMS. The rGuest Stay wins have largely been smaller deals to-date. So we’re talking somewhere in the less than 500 total rooms on rGuest Stay. Now as we talked earlier this year in July, we won the business with Drury that we announced. When that starts rolling-out and we look for that to rolling the pilot sometime later this spring, you’re talking about a population universe that's 125 plus properties and more than 15,000 rooms. So it will just take a little bit more time before that roll-out starts to occur but that’s what the forward pipeline looks like.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Got it. And most of those are on a hosted version, those are all rGuest Stay? A – Jim Dennedy: rGuest Stay, the only way we’re offering it today is in a cloud based delivery format. There is no on-prem delivery solution available for rGuest Stay today.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Got it. Could you speak to the average yield, I know there is two buckets more or less and I know I’m over simplifying this but the average yield for a licensed on premise product versus a hosted product and maybe provide some other details if you can, now that you guys are doing so well?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Can you state that question again?

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Right, so average yield I guess per room either per day or however, whatever metric you guys are using, average yields per room per quarter or per day and I understand that that maybe different based off of each contracts or property but I’m assuming that there is an average difference there between the licensed on premise and the hosted cloud versions.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Correct. The easiest way to think of it is if we look at the market statistics today and we try to price it around the market in a slight premium to it, the per room per day, it’s really per room per month pricing on the subscription format, will vary by property type. So you're limited to select service, property types, the per room per month, subscription fee is going to be somewhere in that $5 to $7 per room per month and as you get into full service and then the resort gaming space, you’re going to be in that plus $10 per room per month for a subscription. The comparably priced license if you will, so you don't have to wrap that up to say an annualized cost, we’ve generally been using normally 8 bucks per room per month which gets you about 1,000 bucks per year per room for your average hotel. So that's where the average down the road value. If you are on on-prime license deal, again, it’s going to be segmented, prices are going to be segmented by property type. So your limited select service, full service, and then high-end resort gaming, you’re going to range anywhere from let’s say, a $75, $80 per room license with 20% maintenance added to that, up to let's say, $175 to $200 per room license with again, 20% maintenance added to that.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

And that's an annual number, correct?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

The maintenance would be an annual number. The license is going to be the upfront basically capital or license purchase. Make sense?

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Absolutely. That’s upfront 20% maintenance.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

The way many of our properties are looking at this is, you look at the five year total life cycle ownership or seven-year total life cycle ownership where you might pay - again let’s just - somewhere like the $80 to $90 per room for a license, you then add 20% maintenance for 7 years and you compare that to, let's say, $8 per room per month or about a 100 bucks per room per year and you do your evaluation based on that math. Now, that's just on the software technology itself included in the subscription service or the infrastructure that you’d have to acquire to run the software on your property, your own personnel to manage that infrastructure which is all part of the subscription service if you acquire from us in a subscription format versus a license format.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Useful. As the economy is moderately recovering to basically flat to, who knows, in the next year, do you see a pricing trend upward flat, downward? What do guys are seeing?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

We’ve been able to hold pricing. Again we typically are pricing at a modest premium to what we see as average pricing in the market, and we are able to get that the quality of software but more importantly, the quality of services and the people that we deliver and support these operations permits the opportunity to charge at a slight premium to market for our solution and services. We see our ability to price at that level continuing. The bigger trend that we see in hospitality operators across everyone of the segments we service whether it’s casinos, or hotels, resorts, food service, they want to get out of basically the technology management business and stick to their coordinating which is in the hospitality service delivery, whether it’s food service or restaurants or stadia or whatever. And so they would like for us to manage more and more of that technology-related services. Some of our long time customers who still are using LMS are asking us, we really like to manage the whole infrastructure, we’re not ready to go cloud yet or put it above prim but we’d like to contract for more of your professional services to manage that infrastructure because we’d rather just focus on providing exceptional guest service. That is a trend that we see across all segments which allows us to deliver greater services and higher value services to our customers which is going to help with pricing and margins for the business generally.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Great. Moving over to POS, I think I may have missed the number. Did you mention how many POS terminals you guys have installed?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

We did. A little over 33,000. And that number, year-to-date, is up by more than 20% over - where we exited fiscal '15.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Okay, great. And what would be an average revenue per terminal per month for that again comparing the license versus on-premise.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

So again, it’s going to have similar metrics if you’re buying let’s say, per terminal per month, again, depending on the segment that we serve is going to be more value derived from those Point-of-Sales services as you go from let's say basic restaurant and food and beverage operations up to manage food service, cafeteria, corporate dining stadium arena and up to gaming. So the easiest thing to use is sort of about $125 per terminal per month for at least our distribution of the 33,000 end points that are in the market today. If you were to look at just your core restaurant and we look at the market and you drive just at the core restaurant market and the competitors that are participating there, an average restaurant is probably only going to be paying say $50 to $55 per terminal per month. We don’t look at that as great margin opportunity for us. The higher margin market opportunity for us is to stay at the luxury resorts, the complex casinos, the complex hotel properties, complex food service where we’re getting a higher yield per terminal per month for point-of-sale related subscription services.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Got it. So not necessarily going after the fast casuals I know that - that has been something that you guys have discussed a little off and on over the past year but sticking with the premium clients.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Correct. Yes, staying at that high margin market opportunity where for the complexity of the solutions that we can deliver. We do complex really well and we may complex simple through our solutions but for an average restaurant that might not have that complex an operation, they are not changing menus that often, they are not changing pricing that often. We have very complex operations where in a hotel they are offering a conference or some kind of convention, they may want to update pricing frequently and to be able to turn that frequently is again an added complexity that average restaurant doesn’t value. So they are not going to pay for it.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Continuing the food service one of the products that you guys have been working on is over the last year's rGuest Buy, just wondering if we could get an update on that? A – Jim Dennedy: So the rGuest Buy product went live earlier in January and the product is working extremely well, well enough that you know our largest customer chose to implement rGuest Buy at size and scale with two of its largest and most important customers of its own, and we mentioned that in a call one is a financial services and one is a life sciences customer and the roll outs at these two large customers are in the plus 100 end point range of size. So your pilot maybe 10 or 12 end points in the location and within a short period of time they liked the technology, its stable, its reliable, the order then closely followed behind that said okay, let’s go deploy this at scale within the next two months. So within the next two months, we're going to be deploying this at scale with large multinationals in a very short period of time. It's a product and a solution that the team and across the entire company has done just a fabulous job and we see a great market opportunity for rGuest Buy for the remainder of this fiscal year but really there is a bright future for it in our fiscal '17.

Phil Bernard

Analyst

Okay, great. As far as revenue generating capability, how does that compare to a POS, I'm trying to think of a comparable service managed care.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

There is two ways to look at it Phil - Q – Phil Bernard: I know this is annoying, I’m sorry. A – Jim Dennedy: No, one way to look at it is well it’s a more simplified terminal. So you have fewer terminal related services on that end point and that’s one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is while it’s a more simplified view, it’s also taking an extraordinarily expensive human operator out of the operations on the other side, so it's value add to the customer is really, really high. So you're putting guest enablement in place, yes it maybe a simplified view because you don’t have as complex terminal options but you are eliminating a really expensive human cost, human resource expense on the operators side and so that terminal becomes a lot more valuable in that case. So our yield per terminal is approximately the same for a kiosk as it is for street terminal. Q – Phil Bernard: Okay, great. Moving forward from that, I guess, in line with that your product development expense, R&D, it's been in line with the last year. Do you continue to see that trending flat, maybe down as you're coming, I guess out of a development cycle.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

So what Janine forecasted - and what she guided to in our fiscal '17 forecast is again there is 8% to 12% revenue growth. But we've also been indicating to investors on call throughout the year, when we did the Needham Conference earlier in January. We indicated our investors should expect positive free cash flow from the business for next year. So that means we’re not only going to be operationally cash flow positive, but you should expect us to be free cash flow positive in fiscal '17. That necessitates basically a step function reduction in CapEx in order to achieve that. So when you think about CapEx running at levels this year of high teens, we're going to be somewhere half that value in our fiscal '17 project. Do you want to comment any further now?

Janine Seebeck

Analyst

No. I think that's a fair statement. Q – Phil Bernard: Okay, great. All right. I will stop bothering you guys. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Good morning. I was just curious if you could comment on your sales force and how you think about where it is and where you'd like it to be?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

We think our sales force right now is basically at full strength. We are in the mid 30s, which is down a couple of headcounts from where we were in the prior quarter results. But I think we will consider ourselves to be at full strength for our quarter period and sales team right now.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then can you just comment how you think about the competitive environment and how you distinguish yourselves?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Well, in terms of the competitive environment, we think we compete extremely well. We think some of our largest competitors have - who have been servicing this hospitality market for a long time in our judgment, what we hear from the customers is that we tend to value this hospitality industry greater than potentially our customers do - sorry, our competitors do. Our competitors that service hospitality also service retail and the core restaurant markets. And our chief competitors with whom we compete in hospitality, the hospitality operators feel like our lead competitors value retail and restaurants more than they do core hospitality. In terms of how we distinguish ourselves, I would say we distinguish ourselves on our service first. The technology component of what we deliver whether it's licensed or subscription, is an important parameter. But in any enterprise product it's the developed technology plus the services you deliver that the enterprise customers buy. And in last year's sensitive to the customer's business support, not just supporting the technology of users having, particular difficulty with point-of-sale or property-management related services not being available, but scaling to the business need. So when Vegas has five week and all of a sudden, all of our customers need a number of additional terminals and we need all hands on deck to support them, because of the volume of businesses increasing. The way we respond to those customers is why they choose us. Not only is technology itself more scalable and more reliable but the fact that we care about their business more and we scale quickly to their needs when demand rises for them, that's one of the biggest characteristics that we offer that our customers say they value in doing business with us.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Thank you. You said four verticals and I was just curious of near to mid-term which verticals you might see more opportunity?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Well, we see gaming as 50% of our business today. But as you look at gaming growth, the growth in gaming is largely coming from within. It's a mix shift within a gaming segment itself, away from gaming dollars and two non-gaming sources, retail, food and beverage, hotel, events, that type of thing. Within that mix shift that occurs that mix shift now is 60% to 65% of gaming operators revenue being non-gaming, is shifting in favor of technologies that we have that can support that revenue demand. That is going to naturally lead for greater demand for point-of-sale in hotel related services, software services, the stuff that we provide. So we do see continued growth opportunity albeit sort of finite market. We actually have what we think is 35 plus percent share of that market. So our ability to grow into and still gain plus 50% share of that market still give us good opportunity, going to give us good pricing power, but at the same time it's rather finite. If we look at the core hotel market, it's a market in which we have - what we would consider less than 5% share, but they still have a large market opportunity for growth both in terms of the rate of growth, the number of rooms being added worldwide. We look at the core hotel market as a real growth opportunity for our company for the next several years. That's the two areas we see leading growth for our company.

Allen Klee

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of [indiscernible], Private Investor. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for taking the call. I just got actually a follow up question to the competitive landscape. Understanding your point - some of your traditional competitors Micros or Radiant sort of not providing us good service, but I noticed there are bunch of new upstart SaaS players and then there are couple of big players [indiscernible] they're trying to move into the hotel software space. So I'm kind of curious if you can comment on the competitive pressure you've seen from those new players?

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Sure. I'll start with the point-of-sale area first. We do see a number of cloud-based point-of-sale providers executing in [10 juncture] [ph] markets, we don't see them in the complex hospitality environments we serve today. We think they can get there, but there is a significant amount of learning that must occur for them to not only understand the hospitality operator, but then codify into their software, those scenarios that hospitality operator would encounter that's more complex than what they do today. We pay attention to those folks quite closely because we think we can learn not only what they're doing from how they service their industry today from a peer cloud base perspective but also be aware of how close they're getting to us in terms of satisfying complex hospitality scenarios. We are not that concerned about it as we've been doing hosted point-of-sale for more than 13 years or 14 years. So it is an area that we've been able to compete effectively and have great experience in doing multi-tenant hosting. I won't say it's true "cloud" at every layer of the solution delivery, but its cloud enough that it gives us the scale on economies to compete in that space. As it relates to hotel systems, we do see the same data that you identified in terms of other competitors in the RFP process and which we've participated over the last year. And all I can say in response to that is that we've competed in one successfully in those engagements, may be not the entire engagement like we have with our friends in St. Louis, but we've been successful in getting pilot selected where our rivals that you had mentioned have not.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I would now like to turn the call back to Mr. Dennedy, for any closing remarks.

Jim Dennedy

Analyst

Thank you, Trisha. Thank you for your interest in our company. We really do appreciate the questions. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the very talented and dedicated team at Agilysys, their work truly drives our success. I want to thank our many customers and partners who entrust us with their business. We believe Agilysys continues to make progress as we focus our resources on the highest value opportunities in our chosen end markets and manage the business for the long term to deliver sustainable value to our customers and our shareholders. We look forward to updating you on our progress during our fiscal 2016 fourth quarter and full year results call. Thank you.