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Agilysys, Inc. (AGYS)

Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Tue, Sep 9, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Agilysys fiscal 2009 first quarter earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that all remarks today may include forward-looking statements based on current expectations that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the company’s results to differ materially from management’s current expectations. Please refer to the risk factors which can materially affect results outlined in Agilysys' corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the company’s earnings release. Now, I would now like to turn the conference over to Arthur Rhein, Chairman, President, and CEO of Agilysys.

Arthur Rhein

Management

Our unaudited results were issued before the market opened and are currently available on our website. With me today, as usual, is Martin Ellis, Executive Vice President, Treasurer, and Chief Financial Officer. In many ways, the first quarter was a notable quarter for the company. We continue to be affected by the broader weak macroeconomic environment, the general IT slowdown, and in the quarter company-specific issues related to our cost-savings actions and the re-engagement of JPMorgan. From a financial reporting standpoint, this is the first time that we have reported our segment information on a quarterly basis. And as you can now see, notwithstanding the overall softness in demand, our Hospitality and Retail Solutions segments performed well, while TSG had its challenges. Revenue in the first quarter increased 43% compared with last year. We also reported revenue increases across the board in hardware, software and services. Revenue from the company's acquisitions of Innovativ, InfoGenesis, Eatec and Triangle contributed $64 million or 35% of revenue in the quarter. SG&A expenses for the first quarter were $57 million compared with $38 million in the prior year. Acquisitions and depreciation and amortization for the quarter accounted for the majority of the difference. As of June 30, we executed on our previously communicated cost savings plan in which we have eliminated approximately $14 million in net expenses. The largest percentage of the costs eliminated is compensation and other employee related expenses which reflect the reduction of the workforce by more than 10%. We expect to realize the impact of these reductions beginning in our second quarter. I am unable to comment on EBITDA for the quarter; Martin will provide additional information regarding Magirus and our reporting of summary financial data. In the first quarter, the Hospitality Solutions Group or HSG recorded revenue of $25…

Martin Ellis

Management

Let me begin by mentioning that today we are reporting summary financial information due to the open accounting methods related solely to our minority investments in Magirus. Given that we are providing summary information only, we have not reported EBITDA since we are unable to provide readers of the press release of the reconciliation to net income. We encourage readers to perform their own calculations of EBITDA in order to compare results to the prior releases and conference calls. In addition, it is worth noting that in a number of our segments, operating income was significantly impacted by increases in intangible amortization as a result of recent acquisitions. Once again, we encourage everyone to read the information carefully particularly as it relates to depreciation and amortization. Later in the call, we will also share more information from Magirus. Revenue for the first quarter increased 43.4% to a $184.1 million compared with a $128.4 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2008. Organic revenue was a $120.2 million, a decrease of 4.9% compared with the first quarter of fiscal 2008. Revenue for the company's acquisitions of Innovativ, InfoGenesis, Eatec and Triangle contributed total of $63.9 million or 34.7% of revenue in the quarter. First quarter revenue from hardware products was a $132.4 million, up 45.5%, software revenue was $17.7 million, up 42.7% from a year ago and services revenue was $34.1 million, up 36.4% from a year ago. As we discussed last quarter, the gross margins vary depending on the size of transactions, mix of products, related supply programs and services associated with an order. Also, the size of our proprietary software sales and purchasing decisions made by major customers will drive gross margin variability. Gross margin for the quarter was $48.6 million or 26.4% of revenue compared with $32.3 million…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Brian Alexander - Raymond James.

Brian Alexander - Raymond James

Analyst

I know you are not giving adjusted EBITDA given some of the accounting issues but if I try to back into it, it looks like you had a loss situation at EBITDA line and you really have not made much money on EBITDA line over the last several quarters and I appreciate the restructuring actions that you have talked about but I am not sure how $40 million is enough to get you close to your longer term goals. Maybe if you could just kind of help me with the math or what else you might be doing to improve profitability toward your longer term targets?

Martin Ellis

Management

Brian, if you take our guidance for the year which remains largely intact at this point and you include the cost cutting that we initiated this quarter, we are on track to achieve the guidance for the year which had a range of EBITDA somewhere between $27 million and $40 million which as a percentage of sales, depending on the pick of the high or the low end, was below the 3% to low 4%. In terms of getting to the original long-term goals of 6%, as we discussed in our last conference call, that would come with additional growth in the company and as we continue to rationalize expenses. So, in the short term, we have executed on the cost savings that we have communicated in our previous conference call about that two months ago. The benefits of that cost savings are not yet reflected in performance given that they were executed right at the end of the quarter and there is a little bit of continuation into the early part of the second quarter. As we look at the next quarter, we expect to see the benefits of those cost savings and then obviously through the remainder of the year but without incremental growth, the current profitability in this fiscal year is not going to achieve the 6% goal. That was a three-year goal which required additional growth at the top line and additional cost rationalization.

Arthur Rhein

Management

Brian, there is no question as we acknowledged last quarter and as our Board has certainly recognized, the market conditions have changed dramatically from a year or so ago when we set the goals that we did in terms of our growth projections that included significant acquisitions as well as improvements in the relative cost of our operations. So, looking ahead, there is no question that with the market changes in terms of demand but also the credit market. We have had to take a look at lengthening that timeline. We are certainly not there today because of the uncertainty in terms of when this market will change but it is certainly is one of the considerations that the Board has given as well as the management in terms of reviewing our strategic alternatives.

Brian Alexander - Raymond James

Analyst

I guess I appreciate all that and I agree that the environment is very difficult. I am just trying to bridge the gap between how you started the year and how you plan to achieve your full year target if I assume that the $27 million to $40 million of EBITDA is still your guidance. You basically have three quarters to do it and that would imply you expect to achieve $9 million to roughly $13 million of EBITDA for the quarter and your restructuring actions only get you halfway there and I am struggling to understand how you make up the other half.

Arthur Rhein

Management

It really is a function of what we expect to happen or what we continue to believe has a very good or high probability of happening in terms of the increase in business that we will see going into what is our third quarter as well as our fourth quarter. What we are really seeing or hearing from our customers, Brian, is again they are not canceling projects. They have delayed them. They wanted to see how this year starts to shape up economically for them and frankly they will feel better or worse but we think that there is a consensus that things are beginning to improve and they will feel better as they go into the second half of their year which is now, let us talk about the calendar year. As they move towards the end of December, they expect that their spending rates will be higher because they will be coming into the end of their budget and there will amounts that have been, I should say, that will not have been spent yet and their CIOs are telling us they believe that the spending will pick up again in the December quarter as they realize that the economy is doing better than they might have thought and as they begin to look at the next year 2009, they will be re-budgeting and there will be some pent-up demand that goes into the first quarter. So, as Martin and I have said, it really will depend on the spending patterns that we see from our largest customers at the risk of giving you a little bit more information, as you well know, we have customers that will place $10 million, $20 million to $30 million in a given quarter. When that is delayed, that is a very significant move in revenue and very significant move in gross margin that when it moves, ultimately will flow to the bottom line. When it is not there, we have difficulty. So, again we are really looking at the second half, our Q3 and Q4 as significantly different than the first half.

Brian Alexander - Raymond James

Analyst

Art, if I could just follow up and then I will cede the floor, I guess what I am struggling to understand is in your technology division, you were down 25% year over year. I know one of your major suppliers is Sun and they have been struggling. But even they were not down nearly as much as 25% in the US and the other vendors that you represent actually did much better than that. So, when I then look at the distributor results who have reported their computer segments for North America, they are not doing great but they are not down 25%. In fact they snapped back from the weak March quarter to the June quarter so I am just trying to understand why has Agilysys so disproportionally suffered from this weak macro environment. That is my final question.

Arthur Rhein

Management

Again I think it is a couple of factors, Brian. One is we are dealing with our specific customer base. Again, we have some large customers and it is a function of their buying patterns, not only this year but as it relates to what they did a year ago. But also importantly I think in the quarter we introduce some significant distractions. I cannot quantify it for you but in the, how should I say, in the quarter, we introduced the cost cutting measures which certainly distracted our management team and our senior executives during the quarter as we executed that in the last couple of weeks of the quarter. Unfortunately, that was the timing and that is when we had to do it but we think it certainly hurt us. In addition to that, there are the distractions to the organization caused by our reengagement with JPMorgan. It would be naïve of us to think that that did not affect us in the quarter. So, I think we have a, how should I say it, confluence of events that certainly affected us negatively but in no way am I trying or Martin and I are trying to avoid. As we have said, the TSG business did not meet our expectations and it was quite significant. The reality is that some of these large customers, as little as one or two of them, were we to receive the orders as they have indicated to us in the last half of the year that can make a huge difference to us. That is the difference between the high/low in our guidance.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

So, just to follow up on Brian's questions, so you saw it, it sounds like the shortfall you saw in computing was that at the end of the quarter? Because you normally have obviously very big push at the last couple of weeks and that just happen at the end of quarter or was it weak throughout the whole quarter?

Arthur Rhein

Management

No, maybe to contrast with the March quarter, where we were, I think, all surprised by the lack of the end of quarter bump, I think I will describe this as just a more evenly spread slow quarter. I think it was more normal.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

I know you broke out the revenue for the operating groups and did you say what it was on a sequential basis? What was the technology solutions business revenue in the March quarter?

Martin Ellis

Management

We did not provide sequential information from a segment standpoint, Matt but if you give me a moment I can give you some of that information.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

Because that is normally, I mean I know your seasonality has changed a little bit because of mix of business but that is normally up pretty substantially particularly now you have got a big fund business, right? So, that would normally be up in the June quarters. So, I guess my question is did you see any seasonality or was it just kind of weak, flat or down?

Martin Ellis

Management

The TSG business was the weakest business in the quarter. As you saw in the results both hospitality and retail performed well. TSG sequentially was down about 20%. And we had expected, in terms of seasonality, flat sales to potentially a little bit of strength. As Art mentioned, the number of larger customers did not place orders this quarter. I would like to just reemphasize the point that Art made which is some of these large customers of ours given the size of their purchases are not to bridge the high and the low guidance for the year in a couple of purchases and at this point, we still have expectations for those sales in the fiscal year. In the quarter, we did not lose market share to others. This is really our customer base that we are dealing with.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

How do you know you did not loss market share?

Arthur Rhein

Management

Well, Matt, I do not think it is a question of market share. With possibly one situation, our customers did not give the business to a competitor. It is just that again in TSG where we have some very large customers, they just decided not to buy and again it is a few customers where we have very large volume and those deals, if you will, those customers tend…, when they deferred these large purchases, it is mostly mid to high end servers and storage. That is what they are buying and that is what we did not get.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

Got you and did you have any exposure? I know you have some but on the financial side where you are seeing financial customers continue to be weak or is it more broadly speaking in terms of the cautiousness you are seeing?

Martin Ellis

Management

Well, we certainly sell into a financial services industry. Our customer base in that industry is quite broad from large multinational banks to insurance companies to some sales in the subprime mortgage area. Obviously customers in the subprime mortgage industry are not buying consistent with historical levels but our broad base of customers there is fairly stable, some have delayed purchases but our overall business is not heavily weighted to the financial services industry.

Matt Sheerin - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

Arthur you talked about some distractions at the end of the quarter which makes sense but because some of the moves that you make, did you loss any key personnel whether it be managers or sales people because of some of the uncertainties involuntarily?

Arthur Rhein

Management

No, Matt. I am glad to report that that has not occurred.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: I am only going to ask one question on the guidance, because you have had enough of those but I guess I am wondering the reason behind that lowering of revenue guidance or at least knowing that when the delays happen all the time in the financial part of your business but given the economy, it seems reasonable to assume not all this will hit this year. So, I am just kind of trying to follow what the reason at least to narrow the guidance if not lower.

Martin Ellis

Management

Brian, we have got a couple of customers that do tens and tens of millions of dollars with us that have a pipeline that gets to the distance between the high and the low or potentially even above the high end of the range. These are very large customers that have demand the need for product. At this point, if they deferred the purchases, we would certainly in the next quarter, if they further deferred their purchases in the next quarter, we would move the guidance to the low end of the range where they are right now and base on our view of the pipeline, those customers and their expectations for purchasing confirm the range in our guidance. Unfortunately, we are keeping it as wide as it is because of what we see in the pipeline from these customers but with some uncertainty that there is a possibility that they do not make the sale. At this point, it is difficult to narrow that range given the size of some of these customers. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: Okay and can you talk about the pricing landscape, how that maybe has changed over the last year if at all?

Arthur Rhein

Management

I do not think we are seeing much of a difference. I mean certainly there are pockets of increase competitiveness but overall, I do not think I would characterize this as anything strange or unusual. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: In terms of the hospitality business, is this a business that until 360 comes out that we should see as kind of flattish or is there a growth before that product rolls out?

Martin Ellis

Management

No, you should expect growth there in the current environment in the low double digits. Our expectations in a more normal economic environment could be midteens in terms of growth. We have as you know in that market, a number of products get 360 as property management software offering that will be our flash of offering we current and continue to sell our original LMS product. We also acquired Visual One which has a property management system that continues to sell and then we have our point of sale and inventory and procurement products. Guest360 is flagship property management product. So, the rest of the business continues to sell. When that product goes live in the market, we expect that it contribute to additional sales at that time.

Arthur Rhein

Management

Brian, if you really had insight and certainly we are more than happy to provide it, if you look at what we have done over the past few years in terms of acquiring and diversifying the products that we now sell in that space and what has happened to the customer base, we have moved well beyond what was our, how should I say, our core set of customers in the commercial gaming segment of the market where we have now moved much further into the general hospitality area. We now have managed food services, cruise lines that are part of our customer base as well as stadiums. So, we have really broadened the customer base in that business. In terms of the products we offer them and the customers we can now appeal to. So, we would expect reasonable healthy growth in that segment of the business as we look forward. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: And so, if I look at the hospitality organic growth and that is mostly the gaming piece of thing down, is that suggest that is a mature and your newer products are the ones that are going to drive growth?

Arthur Rhein

Management

No, I do not think we would say that. We see that business again move quarter to quarter. It is a function of the hotels and what they need from us in terms of whether they have acquired companies that tends to increase our business because they then try to homogenize their legacy system and we will just see quarterly fluctuations but the fact is that the business at the large gaming organizations is something what we will continue to do and enjoy and maybe a point of interest certainly the economy is affecting Las Vegas. I mean they are not immune to it and we are seeing some customers delay some of their implementations but it is nothing that is extraordinary at this point. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: First of all, the Magirus audit begun or are you still waiting on the audit to begin? The auditors for the translation piece for you to get what you need completed.

Martin Ellis

Management

Our review of additional audit items has not begun. What has been completed is Magirus' audit of their financials in Germany consistent with German GAAP and German audit standards. What we need is additional work to confirm the differences between German GAAP and US GAAP and then our proportionate share of some of the gains and losses given the way that Magirus sold its business to Avnet and then post that sale, our share of their continuing losses. It is that work that needs to be performed. Magirus itself has been audited by PWC and their audit for their fiscal year is complete. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: When do you expect your piece will begin? Do you have a start date for that?

Martin Ellis

Management

We do not have a start date set. We are in the midst of working with Magirus and their auditors announce to start up that process. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: What was your cash balance and can you give us free cash flow for the quarter?

Martin Ellis

Management

Cash at the end of the quarter was $29.5 million. Free cash flow for the quarter was obviously down the $40 million but that includes the $35 million that was paid for Innovativ on the buyout, the $2.5 million that was paid for the purchase of Triangle. If you include CapEx and dividend payments, cash flow from operations was flat in the quarter, essentially breakeven cash flow from operations. Brian Kinstlinger - Sidoti & Company: Okay and my final question is when you take a look at the rest of your asset, have you done impairment as you do like cash every quarter? I do not know how often you do it; give us a sense where there is any more kind of write down maybe impairment that could be out there.

Martin Ellis

Management

We have done review of all of our assets and there are no other impairments of our operating assets.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions.

Arthur Rhein

Management

Well, it sounds like there are no further questions. With that, I thank you for them and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.