Dominic J. Frederico
Analyst · BTIG
I'd say, in general, Mark, the people that we had reasonable discussions continue and maybe there's a little bit more sense of urgency, but less of that than you would normally have thought based on, as we believe, the completeness of the Flagstar ruling. And especially, I refer to the leverage in our deals, to settle with Assured Guaranty, I would still expose some of these counterparties to other claims by other bondholders. But obviously these bondholders are not part of our, what I would call, contracted relationship group, therefore, don't have the same rights. And there's a very public case, which I don't need to quote, that you can see the difference between an insured settlement and potentially open market or third-party private label investor settlements. And therefore, the significant leverage for us still kind of surprises us that there isn't more of a sense of urgency when these banks, and we're talking specifically here UBS and Credit Suisse, have significant multibillion dollar exposures were the assured losses, obviously a percentage of that, and therefore, we believe it makes the most sense to deal with the party that has the contractual rights, but not as much as you would think. So we'll continue to monitor that, and obviously, we hope to continue to be able to successfully negotiate settlements, but at least, we proven if you want to take this all the way to the courtroom, we're more than happy to do that, and we've been quite confident in our rights and, therefore, ultimate remedies. And if that's the way this will go, Assured has obviously the liquidity, the financial wherewithal to be able to stand there and meet the requirements and ultimately get the full value of our settlements.