Gary Kain
Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead with your question
Good question and obviously important from a timing perspective. I think there are two things I want to say with respect to taper. The first is, I'll answer your question. And the second is really to talk about what the taper might look like or feel like. But let me start with timing. Look, I don't think this is any rocket science. But we see the economy performing very well in the second half of the year, and including the second - the remainder of this quarter. We think the economy accelerates, we do think there are going to be price pressures, we do generally agree with the Fed that they'll be shorter term in nature. However, we don't think that they're necessarily going to appear shorter term in nature. In other words, we do feel like the Fed may start to feel pressure of over the summer, with respect to just growth, strength in the economy, and inflationary pressures, which they're going to hope are temporary. But there is going to be concern both in the market and in economic circles that may be the inflationary pressures will be more lasting. Against that backdrop, we think the Fed is going to have to start talking, even though right now, they don't want to talk about - talking about tapering. They're going to have to start talking about it. And I think an eventual taper will probably begin, either at the very end of this year, or very early next year. So that's what we see in terms of timing. A couple things that I just want to reiterate, and people I think, forget this. When they taper, they're going to reduce on a monthly basis most likely, the amount of mortgages, they're adding to their balance sheet. Okay, so let's say they did $5 million - a 5 billion a month, that would take them eight months to then to not be adding anything to their balance sheet. But what I think people forget is they're still going to be replacing the run-off in their portfolio. And they did that for years after they stopped tapering last time around. And they usually will coincide shrinking their balance sheet, maybe with a rate increase. And as they've communicated, and I think everyone believes, that's a ways after the tapering. So they will still be buying a lot of mortgages, and they own 30% of the mortgage market right now. And so that's not going to change for a long time. And remember, in a taper environment, or in environment where they're raising rates, prepayments are going to be very, very slow on this outstanding universal mortgages, which is very low coupon. So they're - the Fed's portfolio again, even when they're not replacing run-off is not going to be running off very quickly at all. So big picture, that should give investors a lot of comfort around kind of this exit. And I want to add a couple other points related to kind of the whole taper equation, which is-- and I think you can see it from what we just went through. And this is very, very different than 2013. We already got an 80-basis point. And really, if you count the end of the prior quarter over 100-basis point increase in interest rates. And against that backdrop, mortgages have performed very, very well as evidenced by our economic returns. But importantly, we've essentially absorbed a lot of the extension in the mortgage universe and in people's portfolios like ours well pre-taper, right? And the separation of this extension component of mortgages with a taper component, which may affect spreads is a big benefit both to an individual portfolio but also to the market. And that's a major reason why an eventual taper should feel very, very different from what we saw in 2013. There are a host of other reasons why this is - it should be a lot easier to manage back then. I could list a few, but I think what I'll do is just say one of - there's one other issue, which is back then mortgages - where agency mortgages were extremely tight. And they are tight now, but other products in particular both equities and credit-based fixed income were actually pretty wide. So mortgages stood on their own as being a fully valued product or more than fully valued. In this environment, mortgages don't stand out. Okay, yes, they're fully valued, we've talked about that, but everything is. And so, this should be a very different landscape. So set another way, on a relative basis mortgages are absolutely fine right now. Last time around, they were very tight on a relative basis. Host of other things, but I think that gives you an idea why investors should not panic about an eventual taper.