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Affirm Holdings, Inc. (AFRM)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 11, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Affirm Holdings Fiscal Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the call over to Rob O'Hare, Senior Vice President of Finance, to begin.

Robert O'Hare

Analyst

Thanks, operator. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that today's call may contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in our filings with the SEC, which are available on our Investor Relations website, including our prospectus filed on January 14, 2021. Actual results may differ materially from any forward-looking statements we make today. These forward-looking statements speak only as of today, and the company does not assume any obligation or intent to update them, except as required by law. In addition, today's call may include non-GAAP financial measures. These measures should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in today's earnings press release, which is available on our Investor Relations website. Hosting today's call are Max Levchin, Affirm's Founder and Chief Executive Officer; and Michael Linford, Affirm's Chief Financial Officer. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Max to begin.

Max Levchin

Analyst

Thanks, Rob. Thank you all for joining us for our first earnings call as a public company. We are pleased with the results for the quarter, which included revenue growth of 57% year-over-year and a 55% year-over-year increase in quarterly gross merchandise volume to a record $2.1 billion as our product offerings continue to resonate with consumers and merchants alike. In the second quarter, we also grew active consumers by 52% and our merchant base by 90% from the prior year. Michael will provide more details on our second quarter performance in a few minutes, but since this is our first earnings call, I'd like to spend some time providing a brief overview of Affirm, the industry tailwinds driving our growth and our strategic initiatives. Affirm was founded almost a decade ago with the mission to build honest financial products that improve lives. We knew that consumers were tired of the constant penalties like late fees and deferred interest from credit cards. And we knew that merchants needed new payment solutions that could help them attract and retain customers while avoiding discounts and promotional gimmicks, which can dilute their brands and their bottom lines. Since the beginning, we focused on building a new kind of payment network, the first to align its own success with the success of both consumers and merchants. Affirm wins when our consumers and our merger partners win. In the last 12 months, we've empowered 4.5 million consumers to take control of their finances, enabling them to pay for the things they want and need over time, almost anywhere in the U.S. We've also helped merchants drive growth by adding new customers, accelerating sales and increasing conversion. We've enabled over $12.7 billion in transactions in the past 4.5 years, and we've never charged a late fee…

Michael Linford

Analyst

Thanks, Max, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we get into our fiscal second quarter 2021 results, I first want to talk about our business model and capital funding models. We measure our success across a number of merchant and consumer KPIs, including gross merchandise value, or GMV; the total dollar amount of all transactions on our platform in the period, net of refund; active consumers, defined as a consumer who engages in at least 1 transaction on our platform in the previous 12 months; and transactions per active consumer, the average number of transactions that an active consumer has conducted on the platform in the previous 12 months. As Max has mentioned, our business model is aligned with the interest of both consumers and merchants. We've proven that aligning incentives can result in great outcomes for our consumers, our merchants and Affirm. We generate revenue in several different ways. First, merchant partners are charged a fee on each transaction processed through the Affirm platform. We refer to this as the merchant discount rate, or MDR. We also generate revenue through interest earned on consumer loans we hold on our balance sheet purchased from our originating bank partners. In recent quarters, roughly 54% of our loans by GMV, carried an interest rate borne by the consumer. A smaller portion of our revenue comes from interchange fees earned when consumers use our virtual card for purchases on or offline. While virtual card revenue has contributed roughly 5% of our total revenue in recent periods, it represents an important product capability that allows consumers to use Affirm's products at any U.S. merchant that accepts a credit card. Additionally, we sell a portion of the loans originating in our platform to third-party investors and recognize a gain or loss on the sale of these…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley.

James Faucette

Analyst

Wanted to ask just on consumer behavior, Max, and kind of what you're seeing there in terms of engagement and how people are kind of moving between originating or finding things through the Affirm platform versus through merchants where you already have acceptance? Just trying to see where there's some cross benefits there from your perspective on what you can track? And then quickly, Michael, you made some -- you highlighted some of the improvements in loan performance, et cetera, on various metrics. Can you maybe give a little bit of color as to what you think the key drivers of those improvements are?

Max Levchin

Analyst

So I think we said it in the prepared remarks, which I'm sure one could use to watch paint dry. On the order of 1/3 of our transactions are now originated on Affirm properties. And vast majority of that are existing users coming back and using Affirm as a starting point in their shopping journey. And so I think that sort of speaks for itself. Part of our value proposition to the end customer isn't just, hey, you find us as the checkout counter, and we are a better, more transparent, perhaps even lower-priced way to pay, but also a great way to discover merchants that offer sometimes 0 interest and in our case, it'd be true 0 interest transactions and also just have very interesting things to share with the customers. And so the Affirm platform in the form of our app, the marketplace is growing very nicely and we are investing in that area very heavily. Michael, you want to add? I think you're still muted, Michael.

Michael Linford

Analyst

So, James, in response -- yes. Sorry. In response to your second question, James. The quantifiables are around the DQs and the gross charge-offs both of which are down materially to last year. The key drivers are a function of the credit posture that we took this summer, right? So even though our book turns over fast, we are -- we still have a meaningful portion of the portfolio through the period from originations to Q1. And that credit posture was obviously tighter than where we were in the prior period. We also, of course, continue to make improvements to our underwriting model, and so what you're seeing there is just really good performance. I wouldn't expect us to continue at these levels. I think we're certainly -- having taken a more loose credit posture coming out of the summer. But I think that's the biggest drive for the results in this period.

James Faucette

Analyst

And quick -- sorry, I interrupted you, Max. Go ahead.

Max Levchin

Analyst

I just want to -- I always love to give answers about numbers. And so the one thing that I can tell you about the transactions originated on our platform, the year-on-year growth there was north of 100%. So not only is the Affirm-originated transactions are growing, they are a triple-digit growth matter right now.

James Faucette

Analyst

Got it. Got it. And sorry, back to Michael. When you said, we wouldn't expect those to be at this -- remain at this level. Were you meaning in reference to kind of your credit box or the -- or the performance and delinquency? Just trying to clarify what you meant by we wouldn't -- we shouldn't expect them to remain at this level?

Michael Linford

Analyst

Yes. Our delinquencies and charge-off rates are really at historic lows. And that's not how we intend to run the business.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ramsey El-Assal with Barclays Investment Bank.

Ramsey El-Assal

Analyst

I was wondering if you could give us some additional color on your expectations for the Shopify agreement in terms of the pace of the rollout, the magnitude of the eventual P&L impact? Or any other commentary there would be helpful?

Max Levchin

Analyst

We're going to keep doing this, aren't we? Sorry about that. They're 2 different mute buttons. Both Michael and I keep -- yes. Sorry, sorry, No. It's entirely me and -- this is, in fact, my first rodeo on this one. Normally I'm confident with my mute buttons, but this one isn't it. So back to Shopify. The long and short of it is, it's an enormous platform. And the reason we were picked as their exclusive partner was because we are -- if I do say so myself, we have an exceptional engineering team and we build things well and we take care and take the time necessary. So we'll continue testing the systems. We improved our -- I think we added another 1/3 all the way up to almost 100 merchants to our beta program, just since we saw each other in the road show, and we're very happy with how these tests are going. We're quite pleased with the conversion rates. We're getting the integration, tightness, the uptime on all the metrics that we care about are doing well. That said, I think it's foolish to overpromise and underdeliver. So when we turn on fully, we expect it to be massive. It will definitely only turn on when we feel like it is ready for prime time, including the scalability that it takes to accomplish such an enormous amount of volume. So I would not expect something overnight, but we will absolutely take our time, and we have tried to be conservative in our internal forecast as well as what we tell publicly about when to expect this to happen.

Ramsey El-Assal

Analyst

Okay. And then I wanted to ask also in the quarter, the yields -- the GMV performance was amazing. The yields on the merchant network revenue came in a little bit below our model. I'm just curious about what the drivers there are? I'm thinking primarily mix, but I was just curious if there were any other call-outs?

Max Levchin

Analyst

It's probably Michael. Press the right mute button.

Michael Linford

Analyst

Yes, it's a good question. There's 2 things to think about. One is the seasonality. In our calendar Q4, our fiscal Q2, the holiday shopping season tends to have a little bit of lower average order values and lower revenue yields. It's actually up, I think, about 10 basis points year-on-year for the same period. So I think the seasonality is probably the biggest driver, which is really the mix that you see during the season. There's nothing material with respect to any sort of merchant pricing or mix shift around the end merchants to report there. It's more around just where the transactions tend to be this time of year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt O'Neill with Goldman Sachs.

Matthew O'Neill

Analyst

I guess, Max, I wanted to touch on the sort of long-term strategic. So understanding where the business is starting today and then the sort of higher AOV, a clear glide path moving into the low AOV. You've started to build out your own properties vis-à-vis the sort of customer acquisition channel and sort of purchasing through the app and website. You also built a savings account. So just curious, what else is on the road map? Any kind of hints or guidepost to what we can be thinking about what may come next for a more comprehensive suite of sort of consumer services? And then I'll just ask my follow-up now. For Michael, just going back to James' question around the credit. Is the outperformance on the provision here, a byproduct of mix as far as getting maybe more growth from partners like Peloton, which maybe skew more affluent, higher FICO? And that's part of what we'll add back? Or was it the conservatism at the onset of the pandemic and now kind of working back out of that as we've got some more clarity around the hopeful recovery here?

Max Levchin

Analyst

Great questions. So if you're wondering why the dual mute thing is happening is because we're also on a Zoom call and my General Counsel and Legal Officer are staring directly in my face. And if I disclose any forward-looking statements, I'm going to get in trouble. So I can't really tell you anything about our -- I'll try to say a few things without breaking any rules. So one of the things that we're very excited about, and I think that's just an enormous unaddressed opportunity in the world of -- BNPL is not my favorite nomenclature, but the idea of transparent, easy to understand, cash-denominated or enumerated payments where consumer really understand what's going on is something that's ubiquitous. And it has a purpose in high AOV transactions, which obviously, we're very, very strong, and then low AOV, which is where we're now growing very well. There's an enormous other category that's being spent. And right now, people are still using their tired, old financial instruments with their overdraw and insufficient funds piece thrown all over it. And I think someone, and it might as well be us, will bring some light into that part of the tunnel as well. So we have really interesting ideas in that domain. The -- a lot of what you're seeing in our products and our services today will improve markedly. One of the things that's really important to understand is that what we think the world sees today as sort of the combined BNPL sort of products is very much version, maybe 0.5, maybe 0.7, but there's a lot of improvement there. So you should expect us to iterate on the existing products very, very actively. One of the things that is sort of in the content that we read before, which I don't want to sort of overlook, one of the things we have to do for Shopify that we take a lot of pride in is we basically rebuilt major parts of Affirm to actively service. So this idea of offering our product as a service that plugs into existing platforms in an organic way where the partner can offer these finance-related transactions have a single flip of a switch and all of their partner participants benefit. It's something that we intend to bring to market in really, really big ways. And we're doing it already. We built something like that to support Shopify, but there's also one that we've launched with Rakuten, which is quite a different platform and so on and so forth. And this is something that we are very excited about as technologists and also just by way of growing the business in a very different and new kind of way. I'll stop before I start speculating on which cryptocurrencies we're going to work with. Michael probably has more substantive answers to give.

Michael Linford

Analyst

Yes. Just on the credit side, just to be really clear. I mean, clearly, as you do mix towards loans held -- loans outstanding for Peloton, you do see a credit improvement. But we see the same trends, kind of Peloton and not Peloton so that has less of an effect than the credit posture that we took this summer. And the thing that we'll always do is do our best to look at what the macro environment is and we'll try to take a credit posture that ensures that we'll run the business safely and can do the things that we need to do in the capital markets while still servicing our consumers and merchants. And so that the summer that looked like us being very careful and cautious, I think the provision release that you see this quarter, this reflects the fact that the reality is the consistent trend here on DQs and charge-offs point towards this portfolio being quite healthy. And that's also borne out by the kind of active participation we have going on in the capital markets right now.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dan Perlin with RBC.

Daniel Perlin

Analyst · RBC.

Congratulations on the first quarter out of the box, exciting stuff. I wanted to jump back in on Shop Pay Installments just for a second. I know you're in beta. I think you said 100 merchants today. I'm just wondering, what are -- can you talk about maybe some of the early stage kind of attributes that you're seeing from those merchants? Here, we're thinking about how that's going to influence this lower AOV channel acceleration, repeat usage, those types of metrics. Just anything, I guess, in the early stages there would be helpful?

Max Levchin

Analyst · RBC.

Rob, it will be a little too early to say too much. I guess the metric that I am most concerned with as a product CEO probably more than anything else is interim conversion. What we want to make sure is that when a consumer comes up for a transaction in Shop Pay Installments, powered by Affirm, they don't have an experience that makes them think, "Hmm, maybe I'll pull out my debit card instead next time because this was not smooth enough or wasn't simple or as simple as I thought it would be." And so we're very, very focused and this is also why it will take time. I don't want to over promise here. We want the experience of using Shop Pay Installments to be, ideally, the highest converting, smoothest experience for customers, but we have a lot of work to do there. That said, end-to-end conversion numbers are looking very good. I am looking into my chat box to make sure I'm not disclosing anything that I'm not allowed to say out loud, but we're feeling very, very good about those metrics. The other one, obviously, that really matters is share cards. Ultimately, we are as valuable to merchants as a percentage of transactions we cover for them. And end-to-end conversion is a driving metric there, but over time, it's consumer repeat rate and acceptance that influences share cards. And so I will give the qualitative numbers for now. Hopefully, next quarter, we can come back with some numbers that will be actually grounded in more than 100, which is, in Shopify's case, is really a handful of merchants. So it's a little too early to declare that.

Daniel Perlin

Analyst · RBC.

Understand. That's helpful, though. And Michael, can you just maybe speak to the funding capacity available relative to kind of the GMV growth that you guys are expecting? We seem to get that question a lot. Just making sure everyone understands the velocity of the balance sheet and how you're able to fund the significant growth in GMV in these levels?

Max Levchin

Analyst · RBC.

Michael, unmute.

Michael Linford

Analyst · RBC.

That's a really good question. And you saw during this most recent quarter is a pretty healthy amount of securization volume. And for those who are tracking it, we actually did just -- price a securitization deal earlier this week for another $500 million in capacity. And we're doing that at pretty significantly enhanced capital efficiencies and at really attractive funding costs. So the capital markets remain kind of wide open to us right now and we intend to take advantage of that while they do remain open. We don't see any real constraints on funding and feel like we're in a really strong position there. We're both adding new partners, doing the securitizations and expanding existing ones. We feel really confident in the coverage we have.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Timothy Chiodo with Crédit Suisse.

Timothy Chiodo

Analyst

On Shopify as well. Third one on this, so sorry to go there. But on the longer-term opportunity, maybe you could talk a little bit about the potential to expand that to higher AOV or perhaps other markets or regions with Shopify? And then more tactically, if you could just recap for everyone, the onboard mechanics, whether it's different for the new merchants, existing merchants, concepts around default on, opt in, opt out? And really the heart of the question that I think investors are trying to get to is how much of the Shopify volume could ultimately become addressable?

Max Levchin

Analyst

It's a great question. So I definitely should not, cannot speculate about other geographies just because it is something that -- I think we're very focused on our home markets now. That includes both U.S. and Canada. But that's one aspect of it. In terms of overall possible reach on Shop. The -- again, I think it's probably irresponsible to speculate exactly what that number is. But a big part of what we're testing with our partners in Ottawa is exactly how easy will it be for a merchant to sign up. In other words, the intent of this partnership is to make it an incredibly smooth and essentially a spontaneous experience for a merchant to say, "Oh, yes, shopping at someone's powered by Affirm. Of course, I want to do this." And so the intent is to get as much of the overall volume as possible. That, of course -- not everybody on Shopify sells low AOV items, that also includes high AOV items, as well. So that's -- that is where we're headed. But for the moment, we need to make sure that both the sign-up experience, the merchant -- underwriting merchant's acceptance and ultimately go live end-to-end conversion share cards are the sort of thing that we're all proud of.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bryan Keane with Deutsche Bank.

Bryan Keane

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Congrats on the first quarter as a public company. I wanted to ask about that travel area. The volumes obviously came off significantly. I think you said it was only 3% in 2020. When do you guys think -- or when do you -- have you modeled any kind of a spring back in that by even Q4 or is that going to be more of a fiscal year '22 phenomenon? And when does American Airlines start ramping up into there? That'll also help, I'm sure.

Max Levchin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

I'll answer qualitatively and let Michael answer to the modeling parts of it. Michael start unmuting yourself now. So American, obviously, it's a very recent deal. And so we're super excited about it and we think it's going to be incredibly valuable for us; not to in any way, disparage or to diminish our existing extremely awesome partnership with Delta, which has been with us for quite some time, and we've been very happy with them. The entire travel industry took quite a hit in 2020. We actually invested very heavily in 2019 in building up both our feature set and our partnership set in travel. And in fact, 2020 was going to be the year of travel for Affirm, except it was the year of not travel for everyone. And so we expect, at some point, it will be quite a nice tailwind for us. Obviously, our attention to the airline industry and the American deal speaks to our intent. I am the -- probably not the right person to speculate about things like vaccine rollouts and what that really means. That said, I think I'm within bounds when I say that we are seeing increase in our travel volume. In other words, we are seeing first signs of recovery. I'm not sure if this is a great quantitative answer in the sense that I'm not prepared to say, and here's when I think it's going to get back to normal or go back to what we all wanted it to be. But I think the world is starting to wake up a little bit to the idea of getting on a plane and going to some places, and Michael will probably tell you how we're thinking about it in terms of planning and forecast.

Michael Linford

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Yes. Just in terms of outlook, we don't have a particular moment in this fiscal year for it to turn on. We're pretty cautious here. We've talked about it being more of a fiscal year '22 thing. So after the summer into the fall. Obviously, we'll keep you up-to-date if that starts to change and the volume starts to take off. But for right now, we're being pretty cautious here.

Bryan Keane

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Got it. And just as a follow-up, thinking about MDRs, there's some concern that maybe MDR will have to kind of go lower in the industry as the BNPL penetration increases. And obviously, PayPal is pushing theirselves and talking a lot more about BNPL as they get into the space. So I guess the question is, Max, on overall MDRs, is it sustainable at these levels or will it be a natural phenomenon? Will -- as more volume comes on, maybe we'll see rates drop a little bit?

Max Levchin

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

I think it's very difficult to prognosticate about what we expect in the future from -- like obviously, we think ourselves very special and we provide a service that's relatively unique, even in a highly competitive industry, like the BNPL. A huge portion of what we do that others can't or don't is our ability to address the entirety of the transaction values. And so in the low AOV space, it's a little bit less of a risk management and more of a marketing-centric components and therefore, is more competitive. It's a little bit easier to be successful there versus a more complicated, more time-centric high AVPs. And so I think we've proven over the years that we're very good at all of those segments, and we've done well there. As a technology and data-centric company, we provide a lot of value to merchants that goes well beyond "we'll help you close the transaction." So we have data services. We now have this really rich collection of Affirm-as-a-service offerings that we're bringing to market. Ultimately, we don't love competing on price. We love competing on value-added and on the sort of things we can do that others cannot. So I can't prognosticate about where the prices go, but I can tell you, we'll continue inventing things that others don't have.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Jeffrey with Truist Securities.

Andrew Jeffrey

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Max, maybe I'll build a little bit off Bryan's question from a competitive perspective. There are a number of players in the market. Can you elaborate on why you think Affirm wins? And particularly, what differentiates Affirm from peers? I mean, you're not really doing Pay in 4 for per se today. It's a much more complex model. And I wonder if you could just speak a little bit about why you think you have a competitive advantage? And maybe why Affirm is uniquely positioned to take big share exclusivity with the platforms like Shopify, notwithstanding?

Max Levchin

Analyst · Truist Securities.

So I'm not 100% sure what you meant by, we're "not doing Pay in 4." I think Pay in 4 be a trademark of PayPal's at this point. So we're not by way of not -- not using someone else's trademark, but we very much have a for interest rate installments product that we happen to market under the name of split pay, which competes in that very space. Ours is better because we don't charge late fees, and we are much more transparent and simpler. But that said, the sort of idea of taking an $80 item and splitting it into 4 easy payments of $20 is something that we do, and it's performing quite nicely. I do agree that there are plenty of players in the space that do this particular product. The air becomes a little bit rarer if you start saying, well, what happens when you get to, let's say, $800. And that product -- $800 is too much to just put in a single transaction, probably $200 every 2 weeks is also a little bit uncomfortable from a cash flow perspective and that's where you end up having to do things that take 6 months, 12 months, et cetera. And we have products that span all of it from 6 weeks to 48 months. So in that sense, we offer consumers a choice and merchants an opportunity to offer a payment plan that is quite short for low AOV items and potentially as long as 4 years for higher AOV. That's sort of one of the key advantages, especially enterprise merchants where -- and platforms, which are, in fact, enterprise merchants or merchant aggregators, tends to want to partner with a provider that has excellence in technology, which we certainly bring in spades and someone…

Andrew Jeffrey

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Okay. That's helpful point of distinction for me. And then, Michael, just on the guidance, I was wondering if you could offer color. It would appear that 3Q GMV it's projected to slow a little bit and reaccelerate? Is there something in particular behind that?

Michael Linford

Analyst · Truist Securities.

Yes. I think the biggest thing to think about in Q3 is that the Peloton capture issue we talked about in the prepared remarks, where we are seeing that take root. Ex-Peloton, we're seeing material acceleration. We saw a material acceleration in Q2, and we're projecting even more acceleration ex-Peloton Q3. So overall, very good consumer demand with Peloton, extremely strong, but the timing of the recognition of that GMV is going to be a function of when those orders ship.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from Chris Brendler with Seaport Global.

Christopher Brendler

Analyst

I'd like to talk about the regulatory -- sorry, the competitive environment from a little different perspective. It seems like there's a little of a land grab right now with buy-now-pay-later really taking off here in the U.S. and around the world. So my 2 questions along that front are: do you see any impact or do you see any instances where there's more than 1 provider and how does Affirm's sort of market share at the point-of-sale hold up when there is more than 1 provider? And then my second question is more of a strategic question, is this Shopify deal, it seems super exciting and has a lot of potential. Do you expect to do more of these sort of mega deals where you're providing a little bit of equity incentive? Or is this kind of the one you're going to stake a claim in near term? Like how are you thinking about in these large marketplace transactions where there's a lot of volume, but potentially some equity cost as well?

Max Levchin

Analyst

Great questions. So on the former, I think history's always a good predictor of the past. And the, if you will, first round of payment network creation ultimately settled with 3 or 4 brands that are universally recognized depending on whether you include Discover or not, but Visa, Mastercard, Amex are certainly more or less on every checkout at this point. And so I think the expectation should be that there will be more than 1 BNPL brand that'll win. And the reality is we're all -- yes land grab does not sound especially positive, but I'd like to believe we're all taking over part of the credit card volume, and that is an enormous chunk of transaction volume, and there's quite a lot of growth for everyone. Obviously, we're biased in our favor. But all things being equal, I do expect to have multiple players at, at least some of the checkouts. And some of the deals that we sign are exclusive. Some of the deals are not. In some cases, we are added to an existing provider that we then have to work to demonstrate our worth by doing better than. So I think overall, we are happy with how that is developing. The question...

Christopher Brendler

Analyst

Another Shopify?

Max Levchin

Analyst

Sort of -- I'm sorry, I was going through my notes. I was busy with the first one. So the Shopify question is a good one. The two-part answer in very short form is we would love to do more mega deals. I think the structure of those deals are, by definition, unique and special. And so any form of speculation of what exactly -- what it would take to sign another Shopify is probably beyond the scope of this conversation. But that said, we are -- again, if I do say so myself, the perfect provider for these very, very large platforms, specifically because we have this enormous advantage in data and technology and are proven, scalable and robust. And so fundamentally, I don't think offering someone a chunk of your company if the mega partner doesn't believe you'll be able to withstand their mega volume is going to do anything. So the equity piece is not the reason somebody selects Affirm. It's because we're actually good at what we do, and we can take on billions and billions and dodge the ball.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Michael Linford for any closing comments.

Michael Linford

Analyst

Thanks, everybody, for joining on our call, and we'll look forward to seeing you guys next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes tonight's call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Have a wonderful evening.