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American Financial Group, Inc. (AFG)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 2, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the American Financial Group Third 2016 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] as a remainder this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Diane Weidner, Assistance Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Diane Weidner

Analyst

Thank you Abigail, good morning and welcome to American Financial Group's third quarter 2016 earnings results conference call. I'm joined this morning by Carl Lindner III and Craig Lindner, Co-CEOs of American Financial Group and Jeff Consolino, AFG's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our press release, investor supplement and webcast representation are posted on AFG’s website; these materials will be referenced in portions of the call. Before I turn the discussion over to Karl I'd like to draw your attention to the notes on slide 2 of our webcast. Certain statements made during this call may be considered forward looking statements as defined under the private Security Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not guarantees of future performance. Investors should consider the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results and/or financial condition to differ materially from these statements. A detailed description of these risks and uncertainties can be found on in AFG’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission which are also available on our website. We may include references to core net operating earnings, a non-GAAP financial measure in our remarks or in response to questions. Our reconciliation of net earnings attributable to shareholders to core net operating earnings is included in our earnings release. If you are reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy such that it may contain factual or transcription error that can materially alter the intent or meaning of our statement. Now I'm please to turn the call over to Carl Lindner III to discuss our results.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

Good morning, we released our 2016 third quarter results yesterday afternoon. Please turn to slide 3 of the webcast slides for an overview. We were pleased to report core earnings per share of $1.51, a new third quarter record for AFG. These results include record earnings in our annuity segment and strong profitability in our property and casualty operations. Annualized core operating return on equity was 12.5% for the third quarter of ‘16 compared to 11.6% in the third quarter of 2015. Net earnings per diluted share were $1.23 and include a $0.30 per share charge to strengthen our A&E reserves and $0.02 per share for realized gains on securities. We repurchased $26 million of AFG’s common shares during the third quarter at an average price per share of $73.98. We also announced the special cash dividend of $1 per share payable on December. The aggregate amount of this special dividend will be approximately $87 million. The special dividend is in addition to the company's regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.3125 per share which was increased in August 2016 for the 11th consecutive year. Returning capital to our shareholders is an important comp1nt of our capital management strategy and reflects our strong financial position and our confidence in AFG’s financial future. We're also pleased to be making progress toward completing our merger with national interstate. Jeff will be providing a more detailed update later in the call. We revised our 2016 core operating earnings guidance for AFG to be in the range of $5.55 to $5.75 per share. Our revised 2016 core earnings guidance includes our most recent assessment of the impact of Hurricane Matthew. Based on the information we have to-date we expect the net impact of Hurricane Matthew to our property and casualty operations to be in the…

Craig Lindner

Analyst

Thank you, Carl. I'll start with a review of our annuity results for the third quarter beginning on slide 7. The annuity segment reported a record $107 million in pretax operating earnings in the 2016 third quarter compared to $67 million reported in the third quarter of 2015, an increase of 60% year-over-year. Under fair value accounting, variances from expectations of certain items such as projected interest rates, hedge costs and surrenders as well as changes in the stock market have an impact on the accounting or fixed index annuities. Although these accounting adjustments have been recognized through AFG’s reported core earnings, many of these adjustments are not economic in nature but rather impact the timing of reported results. In the third quarter of 2016, the impact from changes in the stock market and interest rates was moderate. Conversely in the third quarter of 2015, the significant stock market decline resulted in a large unfavorable impact on annuity earnings. In addition, interest rates decreased during 2015 third quarter compared to the expectation that they would rise which also had a negative impact on annuity earnings in the prior-year period. Annuity earnings before the impact of fair value accounting were $106 million in the third quarter of 2016 compared to $89 million in the third quarter of 2015, an increase of 19%. AFG's third quarter 2016 earnings benefited from favorable investment results including the positive impact of certain investments required to be mark-to-market through earnings. In addition, AFG’s quarterly average annuity investments and reserves grew approximately 11% and 13% year-over-year respectively as noted on slide 8. However, the benefit of this growth was partially offset by the runoff of higher yielding investments. Furthermore, AFG’s third quarter 2016 earnings were favorably impacted by better stock market performance during the quarter compared to…

Jeff Consolino

Analyst

Thank you, Craig. Slide 13 recaps AFG’s third quarter consolidated results by segment. Core net operating earnings per share in the quarter were $1.51. The $1.51 is based on core net operating earnings in the quarter of $134 million. You'll be able to see a more detailed view of these components on page 4 of our quarterly investor supplement. The reconciliation of AFG’s core net operating earnings, net earnings is detailed on slide 14. As Carl noted earlier, net earnings attributable to shareholders were $109 million or $1.23 per share in the quarter. Net earnings for the quarter include $1 million or $0.02 per share in after-tax realized gains as well as after-tax charges of $26 million or $0.30 per share to strengthen our A&E reserves. The components of our special A&E charge are further outlined at the bottom of the slide. The adjusted three-year A&E survival ratio for AFG’s P&C insurance subsidiaries now stands at 10.8 times paid losses. This compares to an industry three-year adjusted A&E survival ratio of 7.3 times paid losses as of year-end 2015 according to data compiled by SNL. As indicated on slide 15, AFG’s adjusted book value per chair was $51.73 as of September 30, 2016. Adjusted tangible book value per share was $48.94 as of September 30, 2016. Our capital adequacy, financial condition and liquidity remain strong. We maintain sufficient capital in our insurance businesses to meet our commitments to the rating agencies. Our excess capital stood at approximately $1.1 billion at September 30, 2016. We returned $50 million to our shareholders through dividends and share repurchases during the quarter. Approximately 4.2 million shares remain under our repurchase authorization as of November 1, 2016. As Carl noted earlier, we're making progress towards our merger with National Interstate. Holders of National Interstate common…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Ryan Byrnes with Janney. Your line is open.

Ryan Byrnes

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I had a question on, I guess, your comp book. It looks like the underlying loss ratio is ticking up there a little bit due to rate. I'm assuming in some of the legal environment in Florida, I just want to get your thoughts there on where that's going and also I guess the potential rate increases heading into 2017.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

Well, Jeff's looking up the actual numbers for you. Our outlook for our workers comp book is very good, very positive overall. Almost all of our businesses are performing very well this year. We even grew a little bit in the third quarter and in Summit with the resolution of the 14.6% rate increase that was drastically needed in Florida, on a going forward basis; some of it will do just fine. Our strategic comp business has outstanding results. And as I mentioned before, Summit in California, very pleased about the accident year and calendar year underwriting profitability and looking forward, yeah, there's been some rate declines in different states in that. But a lot of the industry profitability estimates have improved over the past year. If you just take California, the estimates have improved. So I think everyone's results have been a little better than what they would have expected. And Republic, our subsidiary is no different in that. So we're very positive about the results this year and very positive that despite even some of the rate decreases that have happened, I think we have a positive outlook as we go forward. Jeff, do you have any specific on the?

Jeff Consolino

Analyst

Ryan, I'm looking at slide 9 or page 9 of our investor supplement. That's our specialty casualty subsegment, the workers' compensation business is contained within that subsegment, but there are other businesses there, including our E&S businesses and other businesses, but Neon is within that. So when I look at the underlying combined ratio, excluding tax and prior year development, the upward move to 97.4 from 92.9 is primarily attributable to Neon’s result in the quarter. The same would be true for the underlying loss ratio, which moved from 63.3 to 66.5. So I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that data to comp business, because Neon is really the driver of the upward movement in those ratios.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

I think overall, we feel very good about the adequacy of our reserves on workers' compensation also.

Ryan Byrnes

Analyst

Great. That's helpful. And then Jeff, maybe just since you're the chair of Neon, I guess when did the re-underwriting actions really get going and I’m just trying to figure out when that should end, when top line may perk up a little bit and I guess some of that last ratio pressure start dissipating?

Jeff Consolino

Analyst

Well, in terms of top line, I don’t think we have any preconceived notions about that. What we want the management there to do like any of the other business units, within our specialty T&C group, as we want them to focus on the bottom line, not the top line. What you're seeing in terms of premiums this year is the exit of several lines of business, where Neon’s management is upon a strategic review to determine there was an adequate profit potential. And then in this quarter, we've had, as Carl kind of indicated, specialty casualty subsegment. We've had some reduction in that premium related to the company, Neon’s review of its reinsurance purchasing and purchasing its program in the third quarter, which will cover 12 and 18 months going forward. I think in our last quarterly call in the second quarter, Ryan, we said that we are very pleased with the management team at Neon and they're turning over every stone and they're trying to improve the balance sheet. They're trying to improve the profit position of the business. There's a lot of hard work being done this year. We would hope that next year that the year of account results and the equivalent accident year results would show improvement, but we think really, this is a multi-year process to get to profitability to a reasonable level.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

Ryan, the positive thing is, when you look over eight or nine years, if Neon would have been breakeven, that would've improved the overall combined ratio by 1.3 points. So as we move towards better results in Neon, particularly in there, next year and going forward, it has the potential to move our overall combined.

Ryan Byrnes

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks for that. And then just quickly, my last one, just the commercial auto market, it seems like that's continuing to be a pressure industry wide. Then looking over at National Interstate, it does seem like they're kind of working their way through it, kind of generating low double digit ROEs right now. And I just wanted to get your thoughts there as to, I guess, how much more pain there is in the industry and maybe just going over, could that be a growth area for you going forward?

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

I'm really happy that we have a specialty within American Financial Group that's focused on commercial auto right now. We've been at National Interstate, we've been in a mode of taking quite a bit of rate over the last three years or so. I think because of the change in severity that many have reported and that that we need to continue to take rate going into 2017 in order to get our new and -- our new investment of $300, we need to be at a 95 combined or better to earn a double digit return on that incremental investment in National Interstate. So that's -- our focus is continued improvement there. I'm pleased to say, in the great American commercial auto business, which is more physical damage oriented and some specialty coverages in that, that last year and this year, we’ve had excellent results and excellent returns. So I do think, there's a little more pain, maybe a little more calling on the National Interstate side, but at some point, as others are playing catch up to National Interstate and they begin to focus on re-underwriting and improvement, I agree with you, we should be in a great position, being a specialist, to be able to take advantage of that.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Newsome with Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open.

Paul Newsome

Analyst

Good morning. Thanks for the call. I was wondering if you could talk broadly, maybe by segment, about what we should expect for sort of underlying -- underwriting margin compression, given that it looks like rate increases are positive, but looked like to me lower than the underlying claims inflation.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst

I think we'll probably give you -- as we released guidance for next year, sometime probably late in the year or early next year, I'll be able to give you our best answer to that, but I think the unique position we're in, a lot of our businesses don't necessarily correlate to pricing in that, I mean our crop business doesn't really correlate to the normal kind of approach to things. And that and in fact as we just talked about with National Interstate, which is pretty major piece of our property and transportation segment, if anything, we will be continuing to take rate and pushing towards improved combined ratios. With a 6% rate increase this past quarter there, it gives us continued good momentum to do that. And I think also, in our specialty casually, again some of the comments related to Neon, Neon’s been kind of a pretty major drag overall and also if it's been a one point drag overall on our combined ratio, it's been much larger on the specialty casualty side. So to the extent that we can move towards better accident year results moving forward there, I think that that gives us a little -- some positive momentum in that. Specialty financial, the quarter's aberration of results is more due to the Louisiana event and some of those things. That business continues to do very well and there may be a few in the lender place property business. There have been some rate reductions, but overall, pricing has been pretty flat for the whole year and I'm not sure that when you look at the inflation kind of offsetting, no rate, the loss ratio trends there certainly continue to be just fine.

Paul Newsome

Analyst

Great. Second question somewhat unrelated. Are you considering a change in the segment reporting when you consolidate -- after you consolidate National Interstate?

Jeff Consolino

Analyst

No, we would not. Right now, National Interstate is resident within the property and transportation subsegment of our specialty T&C Group. As a reminder to those that aren’t as familiar with our reporting, National Interstate is already fully consolidated in our financial results, because we have a controlling interest of 51%. That means their premiums and their expenses are all in our financial statements. And then the minority interest comes out as a one liner. The effect of the transaction and the merger will be to eliminate that minority interest expense, but other than that, the character of our financials would not be changed. We would not see the need to re-characterize or recast our subsegment reporting.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jay Cohen with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Jay Cohen

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Yes. Thank you. I just wanted to ask about the reduction in your outlook for premium growth for the property and transportation segment and the specialty casualty segment. I guess the question is, a lot of the issues that you would think would be putting pressure on premiums, I assume you would have known about a quarter ago, I'm wondering, did something change during the quarter that caused you to reduce your expectations in both segments?

Carl Lindner III

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Number one, good, Jay, five-sevenths of our crop premiums get booked in the quarter. So you can estimate exactly what your premiums are going to be. But particularly in the third quarter, small percentage differences from what you're estimating can lead to pretty major changes in that particular quarter for that reason. I think the more important thing is, I think, I mentioned that, when you exclude crop, basically our premiums are pretty flat for the rest of the business in that. I think the other thing I also mentioned is because of higher seeded premiums, Neon and timing of reinsurance purchase and the exit lines there, that can give you a different conclusion than what's reality also. If you exclude Neon in the third quarter written premiums in that group, we're up 2.6%. So we tried to again help discuss that and kind of help everyone understand in those two segments, the impacts of those two things. So the impact of Neon probably will not be similar going forward into future quarters.

Jay Cohen

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Got it. That’s helpful. And the last thing, on the crop business, you did mention that part of the issue there were some timing differences. Will those timing differences help in the future and were they meaningful at all?

Jeff Consolino

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Jay, if you go back to the second quarter earnings release and conference call transcript, the timing difference has actually boosted the second quarter of ‘16. So the flip has already happened. So there wouldn't be an impact going forward of the timing differences from this quarter.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mike Zaremski with BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Mike Zaremski

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Thanks. I have two follow-ups regarding the annuity segment and the Department of Labor rule. First, are changes to commission levels paid to distributors likely as a result of the rule? And two, last week, the DOL put out a frequently asked questions letter. I was curious if you felt the letter lent any clarity as to whether your independent marketing organization partners will be able to successfully operate under the rules next year and I do appreciate that sales channel represents less than 10% of your sales? Thanks.

Craig Lindner

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Yeah. We happen to have a meeting with our large IMOs last week and got their opinions as to the impact and how they're dealing with things. And I will say the tone was quite a bit more positive. We deal with principally the very large IMOs, but they generally think that they are going to have a solution to the rules that are going to be implemented. I'm sure you know many of the large IMOs are filing to become financial institutions. The stipulations and the requirements aren’t exactly clear. The Department of Labor needs to be more clear on exactly what is going to be required, but they were really very optimistic about their ability to deal with the new rules. Having said that, there is still quite a bit of uncertainty as to exactly what the rules are going to mean. They need a lot more clarification. And what was your first question?

Mike Zaremski

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

That's helpful. And my first question was just broadly, do you expect the industry and yourself to implement changes to commission levels, pay to your distributors as a result of the rule?

Craig Lindner

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Yeah. I think the result of the rule will be lower commissions without a doubt. We're kind of looking to our distribution partners to guide us, as to what kind of commission levels it will be acceptable and what they think they need to do to comply with the new rules. So we're going to, at this stage, receiving a lot of input from our distribution partners and trying to respond to that. I do believe that the net result will be a meaningful reduction in commissions.

Mike Zaremski

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Okay. And so I guess a reduction to commissions could, on the one hand, boost your margins, but then I guess there's maybe no free lunch and it could impact sales too, I'm just trying to think how to think about that.

Carl Lindner III

Analyst · BAM Funds. Your line is open.

Frankly, we've always been a low commission company, different than many that we compete with. Our model fits actually very well with the new rules. I think if you pay a lower commissions, everything else being equal, what you can do is pass on more value to the customer and I think that's going to be the net result of the rule.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions. I'd like to turn the call back to Diane Weidner for closing comments.

Diane Weidner

Analyst

Thank you all for joining us this morning and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter when we hear our fourth quarter results.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.