Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Agnico Eagle Mines Limited’s First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean Boyd. Please go ahead, Mr. Boyd.
Agnico Eagle Mines Limited (AEM)
Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, May 1, 2015
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Operator
Operator
Good day and welcome to the Agnico Eagle Mines Limited’s First Quarter 2015 Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Sean Boyd. Please go ahead, Mr. Boyd.
Sean Boyd
Management
Thank you, operator, and good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2015 conference call. Before we get into the materials, I’d just like to note the forward-looking statements or cautionary statements included in the package. We do have some forward-looking statements here. So please be aware of that. As far as the quarter goes, it’s really a story of strong operating performance and we had solid contributions across all the operations. As a result, we’re generating very good cash flow and also net free cash flow. And more importantly, we’re not doing that at the expense of leaving [ph] our best projects or our best exploration opportunities. And as you know in the press release, we noted that we had record gold production, a little over 400,000 ounces at a cash cost of below $600 an ounce and an all-in sustaining cost of approximately $800 an ounce. We had records in Mexico in terms of total production. But also more importantly in Mexico, our cash cost there are below $400 an ounce. We had success in really good cost performance in the Abitibi. We’ve had both Goldex and Lapa producing gold for cash cost of under $600 an ounce. As a result of that good start to 2015, we’re in good shape with respect to both the production and the cost guidance. But I think what’s more exciting to us is that we have been very focused over the last little while on our exploration opportunities not just in Nunavut but at a number of our operations work. We continue to see very good results and we’ll talk this morning clearly at Amaruq and Nunavut and continued to move in a very good direction. But we’ve also seen some good results in Kittila where…
Operator
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Andrew Quail of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Andrew Quail
Analyst
Good morning, Sean. Thanks very much for taking my question and congratulations on such a strong quarter.
Sean Boyd
Management
Thank you.
Andrew Quail
Analyst
A couple of questions. One on Pinos Altos. Obviously, your grade jumped up there to a surprise of - do you expect that sort of going into the second half of 2015 to remain at Q1 level which is more like your reserve there [ph]?
Sean Boyd
Management
Well, Q1 was higher than subsequent quarters will be. We’ve got a little bit of higher grades just due to sequencing and we also got lucky and mine [ph] ourselves underground and had a higher grade than we expected. So it’ll moderate in the rest of the year.
Andrew Quail
Analyst
Got you, thank you. Also just a question on what went on on Amaruq. Obviously we get an upside [ph] midyear and we’re going to go up there hopefully in August, but when you look at - and looking at your guidance at Meadowbank, it obviously comes off in 2017 and this obviously looks very positive. Can you talk about the strategy maybe as much as you can? I mean, one of the headwinds obviously are the transport and you’re trying to get the permits there. What’s the strip like of the area and what are sort of, I’d say, key issues that we should be sort of be focusing on? These can’t sort of be delivered in 2017 into the right gap [ph].
Sean Boyd
Management
There’s a few things there. And so the focus right now is not just on drilling but it’s also on - we probably have a couple of thousand people that will be there in the summer and are there doing great planning work. So we’re always sort of thinking and preparing earlier than you otherwise would. And what we contemplate there is certainly the road. We know the location of the road. The road would be about 62 kilometers long. We would be mining an open pit for start at Amaruq. We’d have to put up a dam, so we have to dewater part of the lake. So all of those things are things that we do currently and have done at Meadowbank. So we’re not really asking the authorities to allow us to do something that we haven’t otherwise done. But in order to do that and to stay on track, we will have to obtain it at some point this year, the actual purpose for the updated resource. And then we’ll turn it over to the engineering guys and they’ll design the pit. But right now, we’ve done some sort of preliminary work. But it’s really done on two pits because we didn’t have the gap drilled up [ph]. So it’s too early to say what the strip ratio would be, if Meadowbank lake [ph] is a little big higher than Meadowbank. Those are sort of the general range. But I think what we’ve got is we’ve got something that’s at least the initial resource, something that’s at this point sort of half the size in Meadowbank in terms of total ounces at double the grade. And so we expect that 1.4 million ounces to grow based on the result we’ve got so far. And we’ll continue to…
Andrew Quail
Analyst
Thanks for that, Sean. That’s certainly helpful.
Operator
Operator
Your next question will come from the line of Stephen Walker of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Okay, thank you, and good morning, everybody. Sean, I just want to circle back on something that you said about the shared benefits between Meadowbank, Amaruq and Meliadine. Are there tangible synergies or is it more just you’ve got a team that is used to dealing with the regulators and with the permitting folks in Nanavut?
Sean Boyd
Management
It’s some of that. But I think if you go back a year ago, all the work we were doing in Meliadine is over [ph] compared with higher overheads and all the burden. But now we can spread that over two projects. And I think the advantage that we have at the Nunavut base is its connection and link to the Abitibi region, not just the physical link, but the logistical support base at the Val-d’Or Airport and the technical link and the technical skills that helped us develop that. And how is this sort of manifested. We can see it already just in our drilling cost in Amaruq, which are in the sub $300 a meter, which are as competitive as what we’re spending in Mexico. And so if a junior company is drilling in Nunavut, probably be triple of what we’re spending. So it’s that platform of Meadowbank that helps us with the skill set that helps us. So there’s a lot of things there that make a lot of sense for us [ph]. We’re looking at what’s the overall strategy there, what is the business - I’ve been asking, what does Nunavut look like in 10 or 15 years? Is it a series of satellite deposits where gold is being spread into two or three plants? Those are the things we’re trying to figure out. But the more critical mass that we have which we should have with two mines, the more efficient [indiscernible] is to optimize the business platform there.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Great. And just maybe to follow a geological question with respect to Mammoth drilling and Whale Tail, is that the same geological, structural continuity? I know that there was some - as you suggested [indiscernible] several things lines up. But what you’re seeing in the drill hole so far, does that suggest a geologic continuity, it’s on the same type of structural, geological trend?
Sean Boyd
Management
Yes, it’s exactly the same kind of mineralization that we’re seeing in Whale Tail [ph] and some churns that we saw [ph] in the boulder train, what we see basically is a [indiscernible] that explained the mag and em anomalies that we’re going hit in the lake [ph]. And now we are in a waiting time to get to see how much gold we’re going to get from these first two drill holes because we just started drilling in the Mammoth Lake about a week ago. We’re getting four, five drill holes completed there. So this will be incorporated in the next update to the markets.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
But you’re seeing similar geologic, geology and obviously visible gold to what occurred in the boulder train from the sounds of it.
Alain Blackburn
Analyst
Yes. While we see draining [ph] and [indiscernible] overextend to 20 meters, which looks good, we haven’t seen visible gold per se, but if we compare it with the Amaruq area, we’ll see visible gold every even say three holes, so it’s not necessary to see visible gold. We saw that in the boulder train as you mentioned. But all other right ingredients in literally in the drill holes. Now, we have to wait for the land to tell us what the real gold rate of that.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Thanks, [indiscernible]. Maybe I just want to get you talking at or looking at the Kittila, you got parallels on increases of tons per vertical foot. Today, what’s the geometry? What’s the potential for that to yield significant tons or ultimately significant ounces in the reserve? Is this a parallel structure that has some continuity as this shift to small lands or display off the main structure at Kittila? Can you talk a little bit about what this parallel zone is?
Alain Blackburn
Analyst
It’s too early to comment. There are only three holes drilled on that part of structure. It’s on just 50 meter east of the main structure, the [indiscernible] and what I’ve done, we do, at the end of 2011 [indiscernible] that we hit that 10 gram of this in April [ph] and the way to get that gram - and the gram is there right now. And is the first the hope that we hit again that new zone [ph]. And we don’t have to spend between gold from the 2011 and now it’s over 500 meters. And now the plan is to [indiscernible] to see what could be the size of this creature. But it’s sitting well [indiscernible] sitting pretty well together. And now we cross our finger, we look what we can hit here in between and see that side. We don’t know exactly what to decide from now, but we’re in for the week right now.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Great. Thank you for that, Alain.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Anita Soni of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
Anita Soni
Analyst
Hi. Good morning and congratulations on the good quarter and on these significant exploration results. My question just with regards to Meadowbank unit cost. So it came in a little bit below your budget. Do you expect that to continue throughout the year or will that revert more towards budget?
Sean Boyd
Management
We’re a bit - cost [ph], we’re slightly below expectations in the quarter. Some of that might be due to skipping [ph] but I think going forward, I think the guide [indiscernible] this year. It’s pretty well in line with what we preannounced.
Anita Soni
Analyst
All right. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And your next question will come from the line of Phil Russo of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Phil Russo
Analyst
Thanks, operator. Good morning, guys. Hi, Sean, and the team there. Congrats on the quarter. Just maybe on Meliadine here, can you just remind us what the timeline this year for going forward decision? And then sort of secondly, you seem to be talking pretty optimistically about what things are happening out there in Nunavut. Maybe talk about your willingness to fund the project, your capacity to fund it here at spot [ph]. Is it more debt or are you still talking JV partners and those types of things?
Sean Boyd
Management
Sure. Meliadine in terms of timeline per decision, our expectations are on the permit side that it’s early next year to get the permits. So between now and sort of early next year, the base case offstudy will be done probably this year, so around second quarter. So we’ll have a good chance. We’re well advanced with that on what that looks like. And we take [indiscernible] and incorporate a subset of the resource. In terms of the funding, as we said, it’s in that sort of $1 billion range. We do some capital coming off as we complete the shop at [indiscernible]. So we do have several moving parts. We do have some debt capacity. We have been approached by people looking to partner with us. We’re not sure that that’s the right thing. But there is a lot of exploration upside. So we’re looking at a lot of different options up there. But it’s our view from a strategy point of view, that this - it is an important part of our business. It’ll probably be a more important part of our business given the mirror of [ph] potential and the ability to get things done. And it reminds us a little bit of the loan [ph] in terms having to get that first production starting to get up the ace [ph] established. And we think this is a place that once we get that production base established, that we’ll be there for a long time. So that’s the way we’re approaching it. We’re moving the studies forward as quickly as we can. We’ve added some more people resources to the team because of the Amaruq and adding sort of more options and more opportunities up there. And so we’re just trying to follow along with that stuff but, I don’t know [ph].
Phil Russo
Analyst
Thanks.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Mike Parkin of Desjardins. Please go ahead.
Michael Parkin
Analyst
Hi guys, good quarter. Just a couple of questions on the Nunavut area. Are you looking to secure diesel prices like [indiscernible] any kind of hedging? I know the shipping season is still a little bit out. So just comment on that. And then also, on Kittila, this new heavy drill rig, when do you expect to have that on site? And what’s the distance from this new zone that you expect to be drilling from?
David Smith
Analyst
Michael, I’ll take the first part of that. We do actually consume a fair amount of diesel already in the north at Meadowbank. We do hedge part of that. We have our shipping season. We do have some hedging outside of that because our requirements have increased due to the acquisition of Malartic specifically in a big open pit. So that’s something we’re active in. We’re trying to take advantage of the currently low prices. And then longer term, we’re actually doing some work at the moment to see how we can contribute to the overall return profile of the new projects like Meliadine as well. So we are definitely active, not only in fuel but also in currencies. That also has a major impact on our result.
Michael Parkin
Analyst
And just from the Kittila?
Alain Blackburn
Analyst
Yes. At Kittila, we have high UD [ph] rigs in place. The idea is we continue to drill between that one and the harbor part [ph]. And if we drill, it would be above there in three months, four months to drill and to follow and to understand the size of the deposit. But we already drilled between the two holes. It’s done.
Michael Parkin
Analyst
Okay. Thanks very much. That’s it for me, guys.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Steve Parsons of National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.
Steve Parsons
Analyst
Yes. Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. I guess the question will be on LaRonde and specifically with respect to the coarse oar conveyor that’s being planned for commissioning later this year. Can you just maybe elaborate a little bit about the indication that you should expect to see sort of increased mine flexibility there? Is that a potential for the grades to tick hard and maybe close to reserve once that’s in place or is it related to cost or maybe just add a bit of color on what the benefits of that would be.
Sean Boyd
Management
I think we’re in a position of completing the construction that occurred there [ph] and essentially establishing commissioning in the third quarter for this year. At this time, on the cost side, we’re not expecting major impacts on the cost side but we’re more focused on flexibility, minimizing traffic and then just basically establishing the line of sequence in [indiscernible], being able to involve the board and raise [ph] for the more productive phase. So it’s basically flexibility.
Steve Parsons
Analyst
Okay. Maybe secondly, as it relates to LaRonde, there’s an indication in the quarter that there was some harder ore, maybe some harder stopes that complicated some drilling efforts and impacted cost in the quarter. Is it something that should get into the deeper part of the mine that we’re going to see more of, more harder ore or maybe higher drilling costs and potential implications in the mill [ph]?
Sean Boyd
Management
We’ve seen as we’ve more adapted the - the board [ph] profile is getting harder. We’re dealing with dealers and buyers to find solutions with that in mind. We’ve seen that it had some recent success in good carriers [ph]. So I think it’s more a question of readapting to block strength in that area and basically putting in planning and proper tools to adapt. But we’re not necessarily very focused with how this profile has put in large cost on different spending [ph].
Steve Parsons
Analyst
Got it. Okay. And maybe lastly on Pinos Altos to follow-up on Andrew’s question on grade there. It looks like - if I take a look at the delta between gold sold and gold produced, there’s about 10,000 ounces of gold not sold to Pinos Altos which would suggest to me that maybe some of these higher grades were hit later in the quarter. I don’t know if that was true. But if so, is there a chance that that higher grade structure, whatever it was, extends into Q2?
Sean Boyd
Management
So now, there’s - everything’s gone okay. But I would just stick with my answer. We’re going to take rough or moderate and kind of [indiscernible] for the rest of the year. That’s our forecast. And yes, we did get some good production in March and later in the year. You’re right about that.
Steve Parsons
Analyst
Okay, very good. That’s it for me. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Stephen Walker of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Thank you. Just as a follow-up for David, and I apologize, Sean, I believe you touched on this a bit. But I just want to get more details on the debt repayment. You did begin to pay back again or continue to pay back some of the debt this quarter. Is that just the excess cash that was generated with the lower all-in sustaining cost, the lower sustaining capital that was spent in the quarter? You generated obviously a little more free cash with that. And do you expect to continue to repay the debt at the same rate or will it be lumpy depending on the free cash flow generated in the quarter? Maybe you can give us a sense of what we could see between now and year end or what those plans are?
Sean Boyd
Management
It’s definitely going to be lumpy, so once you max those cash in the quarter due to a very strong quarter. We actually have an expectation. We pointed that out in the press release that based on success at some exploration properties and at some good capital projects, we think there’s an opportunity to actually spend more than our initial capital budget for the year. So we’re probably going to be doing that. And as a result, that will consume some of the forecast free cash flow for the year.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
But as a follow-up, Sean and David, when you look at the debt to total cap, you look at the level of debt that you have in the balance sheet, are you comfortable with that at these levels? It’s kind of moving into the upper end of the range where historically it hasn’t been. Where do you see that level of debt going forward, particularly as you start to invest more capital into some of these projects in the next 24 to 36 months?
David Smith
Analyst
Yes. We’re most certainly comfortable with the balance sheet. I describe it as neither high nor low. I think it’s moderate. As Sean said earlier, we feel like we have debt capacity at this point without threatening our investment grade credit range. We don’t feel constrained on the balance sheet for our future growth plans at all. We feel like we have access to both that and equity markets. So as we do generate opportunity to reinvest and improve the business, we feel like the balance sheet is there to help us do that.
Stephen Walker
Analyst
Great. Thank you very much, David.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Don Maclean of Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead.
Don Maclean
Analyst
Hello, good morning, guys. Well done on the quarter. Two questions. One for Alain, just a quick one on the infill drilling. How is it looking compared to the other side’s? Are you getting the same kind of density grading [ph] and frequency of high grade mineralization or is there something different about this gap?
Alain Blackburn
Analyst
No, it’s exactly the same thing. And what we - one is looking good partially [ph]. And the average rate is looking a little bit better. But [indiscernible] calculation that we did in the beginning of this year, that you saw the 7.2 grand [ph] and looking at the price only, it’s a little bit above. But when looking also at what we do under the lake, we have one to two inches to the eastern part and going to fall into the western part. And that means [ph] actually the same thing. And one thing that we did not mention last year, the last section for the work, we gave assessment. And now we are pushing to the north to define that momentum. And what we saw in the two holes was documented as well. And it could be in the footprint of the detail and how has outstanding for [indiscernible] a bit more.
Don Maclean
Analyst
Great. Okay. And the second question is on Meliadine. Maybe, Sean, you can talk about what are the differences that you’re considering in the base case plus scenario that will get that 10% rate of return at $1,300 to look more appealing?
Sean Boyd
Management
By simply taking more resource, extending the mine life. So we will add all of the 6.8 million ounces of the mine, we’ll put in a subset of that. But we’re already seeing numbers about what we put out in the base case study on the reserve. So it’s just fine-tuning that at the moment. And the investment opportunity there is really you’ve got 80 kilometers of coverage, more than 100%. We’ve only drilled sort of the central part of that, so there’s still a lot of potential in the district, and just to get that production base established and that should be a focus right now. And we know that if you look at some of that resource, the grade of that resource or a chunk of that resource is as high as the reserve. There’s a chunk of that resource that’s in that sort of 7 gram range as well. So the resource is good quality and so that’s why we’re feeling comfortable. So we can get that rate of return up.
Don Maclean
Analyst
And you’ve indicated in the - you’ve got a potentially long life asset, just looking at - what kind of rate of return would you feel comfortable taking to the board?
Sean Boyd
Management
Well, our base case is 15% after tax. But you’re one of the old guys like me and you can remember that we built along that 8% or 9%. And so we don’t need 15%. It’s a little bit less than that. And the theory is we’re building a platform that’s going to be a significant part of your business for a couple of decades, then we don’t [indiscernible] and there’s that long-term thinking. And the reason we do it here at Anglico is where we tend to create the most value is once we get established, we set out our teams to look on it and off they go. And we’ve proven that consistently whether it’s in Quebec, whether it’s in Finland, whether it’s in Mexico. And although we got off to a rocky start in Meadowbank, we didn’t quit. We didn’t pack up and leave because we saw that as a great place to do business and we saw it with a lot of mineral potential, and wouldn’t you know it. Alain Blackburn and [indiscernible] and Jérôme Lavoie put their heads together and said - you know what, let’s look beyond Meadowbank and let’s see what’s out there and here we are on [indiscernible] being a significant discovery. So that’s long-term thinking. And so IRR is always at a point in time. And it’s a mathematical number. And all of those moving parts to do with it do change. And we’ve experienced that over our long career and the longest bulk [ph] of that turns out to be the world’s best deposit. Alain Blackburn there is the mine geologist followed by Marc Legault, followed by regional plant [ph] and all of that good thinking resulted in us developing [indiscernible] deposit. So as Mr. Penny used to say, if the gold is not there, we can’t put it there. If it’s there, we’re going to find it and we look at Nunavut as the perfect example of that. And we think there’s lots of gold there as we’ve got the smart people that are going to find it.
Don Maclean
Analyst
And just lastly on the same topic on Nunavut within the context of considering new opportunities, would you consider increasing your footprint on Nunavut or would you like to diversify elsewhere if find an [ph] opportunity?
Sean Boyd
Management
That’s a good question. That’s sort of long-term thinking. We have a huge land package now. We’ve got 115,000 hectares around Amaruq as we set the trends of that [indiscernible] 80 kilometers, certainly where other opportunities in the region, but it’s really how much can you take on. And that’s the question that should the inventory project that looked to that. So we haven’t answered that question yet. And is Nunavut a place to find sort of [indiscernible] in terms of the value and the project, yes, absolutely. As is other parts of Canada, as is Mexico, as is other parts of the [indiscernible]. So we just look at, try to find other opportunities and not to be focused too much on the folks at Nunavut.
Don Maclean
Analyst
And you don’t get this 90% off sales very often in your lifetime. Okay. That’s good. Thank you very much, guys.
Operator
Operator
And your next question will come from the line of Patrick Chidley of HSBC. Please go ahead.
Patrick Chidley
Analyst
Hi, everybody. Just maybe just quick a one. Just a question on Meliadine and just coming back to the sort of discussion of moving ahead with that project and what the synergies might be. Are you absolutely certain that you need to build a plant there or are you thinking about the sort of maybe more innovative idea in terms of shipping or barging or something like that.
Sean Boyd
Management
We are thinking about options and alternatives. But those old things come together in time. And that’s the real question we have. And so we certainly looked at building a road and we looked at the possibility of building a road which would then connect to Meadowbank. But the question there is we’re going to potentially - if Mammoth Lake turns out to be an additional source of ore. And between Amaruq and Mammoth Lake, then we have to enough to supply and utilized to full capacity of Meadowbank. And so the question is more long-term, do we want to process in the facilities that can be said and use the innovation group and the technology group to find ways to transport that ore, other than the gold, which is we’re also looking at. But I think in terms of innovations and things that would improve the cost structure there, I think one that has the most potential is on the energy side. And that’s where we’re focusing more our attention rather than on the transportation of ore side at the moment.
Patrick Chidley
Analyst
All right.
Sean Boyd
Management
And we’re looking at generating hydropower. We’re looking at LNG. And those are the things that can have more sort of immediate benefits and it’s certainly helped something like Meliadine.
Patrick Chidley
Analyst
Are there real hydropower opportunities there in that region?
Sean Boyd
Management
There could be and the Nunavut government is certainly looking at them as our lead. And I think that’s a portion of the portion of the head in that raise would be LNG at the moment. And so those are things that we know the Quebec government is looking at. And the Quebec government is looking at it in conjunction with business groups in Quebec to take that LNG over the top [ph] of Quebec. And that’s pretty close to Ranklin Inlet, it’s just across that Hudson Bay. So there’s a number of things on that. I think that’s an important point. And a good question is that you look at Nunavut today, it’s not going to be the Nunavut 5 years from now or 10 years from now. It will be easier to do business there because the two questions they are working hard to resolve is infrastructure and energy. And energy probably is the most important one right now. And that not only affects businesses, but it affects the communities. And the communities still are generating power from diesel. It’s not the most environmentally friendly way to do it. And there are other options that a lot of people are working pretty hard at and that’s another reason, it’s not just mineral potential that gets us excited. But we can see technology that isn’t that far away that can certainly help lower our cost structure up there and improve our business.
Patrick Chidley
Analyst
All right. Makes sense. So thanks, Sean.
Operator
Operator
And there are no further questions at this time. So I want to hand it back it over to our speakers for closing remarks.
Sean Boyd
Management
Thank you, operator and thank you everyone and you’re all welcome to join us at 11 o’clock and there’s a lunch following, we have all of our exploration teams here and they’ve got core and they’ve got Matt [ph] and they’d be happy to chat about what they’re thinking and how they’re going to move some of these things forward. So thanks again.
Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line and have a great day.