Dirk Allison
Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead.
Yes, Scott. As part of the first part, what we've mainly seen in the larger transactions that we've been a part of had been home health. Realistically as we've talked about in the last couple of quarters, we're focused more on home health and personal care acquisition today than hospice. It doesn't mean we wouldn't look at the hospice if it was appropriate in markets where we had strong personal care coverage, but so far this year, we've really focused more of our efforts in the other two segments. And some of the processes, couple of processes we were in were well underway and when the proposed rule came out, and at that point in time, they went into a holding pattern waiting for the publishing of the final rule later on this year. As we would talk about somewhere in the overhang because of the differences in valuation thoughts between buyers and sellers, I think it really goes most of what we're talking about there is in the home health. I think the sellers believe that the rule is not really going to be a big deal and that we should be willing to pay out value regardless. I think fires are looking and saying, great. If that's the way it works out in October, November, and when the publish rule comes out, [we’ll find] [ph]. I think if that understanding comes out the same way, then the value between buyers and seller in home health, I don't think is really that much of a disconnect. I do think there's still somewhat of a disconnect between sellers of hospice programs and buyers. The markets seem to have come down. The public multiples have come down. I don't think all of the sellers thought process had quite come down to that level. And then to personal care, great thing about personal care, it stays pretty consistent. Smaller deals, as Brian has said in the past, in the 6x, 7x range, larger deals may be 8, 9, a really large deal that's very strategic, might be 10, but those are all very reasonable multiples that we, I think, could agree with. So, realistically, the rule is probably the biggest impediment right now to signing deals in the home health market.