Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the ADTRAN Holdings, Inc. Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] During the course of the conference call, ADTRAN representatives expect to make forward-looking statements that reflect management's best judgment based on factors currently known. However, these statements involve risks and uncertainties, including the continued spread and the extent of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, the ability of component supplies to align with customer demand, the successful development and market acceptance of our products, competition in the market for such products, the product and channel mix, component cost, freight and logistics costs, manufacturing efficiencies, our ability to effectively integrate mergers and acquisitions and other risks detailed in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ending in December 31, 2021, and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ending June 30, 2022. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements, which may be made during the call. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Tom Stanton, Chief Executive Officer of ADTRAN Holdings. Sir, please go ahead.

Thank you, Brett. Good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us for our third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. With me today is ADTRAN Holdings CFO, Mike Foliano. Following my opening remarks, Mike will review the quarterly financial performance in detail and then we will take any questions that you may have. Q3 marked a new era for ADTRAN following the closure of the business combination agreement with ADVA Optical Networking on July 15th. This transition point is timely as it coincides with our industry, continuing a rapid transition to the fiber everywhere era, especially in ADTRAN's highest growth regions in the U.S. and in Europe. Service providers have aggressive goals to rapidly deploy fiber to homes, businesses and critical infrastructure sites, while increasing customer satisfaction, streamlining operations, reducing energy consumption and ensuring network security. Our vision is clear. We want to help service providers achieve these goals by having the most complete portfolio from optical core to the customer prem. This portfolio includes scalable, secure and efficient networking infrastructure, and customer premise platforms paired with best-in-class software. These solutions maximize subscriber experience while simplifying operations through automation. The combination with ADVA provides us with the most complete portfolio to execute on this vision. Given that this is our first quarter combined results with a full quarter of results from ADTRAN Inc., and a partial quarter from ADVA, we have adjusted the revenue categories to reflect our broader fiber networking portfolio. The new revenue categories for both products and services are: subscriber solutions, access and aggregation solutions, and optical networking solutions. These categories cover our complete portfolio of fiber networking products and services that span from optical core -- from the optical core network to the customer premise network. A more detailed breakdown of these categories is provided on our…

Thank you, Tom, and good day to all. I'll cover our third quarter 2022 results and provide our expectations for the fourth quarter. Please note that this is the first quarter for ADTRAN Holdings, Inc. which includes the consolidation of the ADVA financials for a partial quarter, beginning at the finalization of the business combination on July 15th, which affects year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter comparisons. Since this is the case, I will refrain from repeating the first time, call it, consolidation effects when discussing year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter comparisons of our results. I will be referencing non-GAAP information, with reconciliations to GAAP presented in our press release and supplemental financial schedules on our Investor Relations page at investors.adtran.com. The supplemental financial schedules on our webpage also provide certain information by segment and category, which I'll also be discussing today. ADTRAN's third quarter 2022 revenue came in at $340.7 million, up 147% year-over-year and exceeded the upper end of our guidance range of $320 million to $340 million. Inclusive of ADVA revenues, our network solutions segment makes up 90% of revenues in Q3 2022, compared to 87% in Q3 of '21. Our services and support segment contributed 10% of revenues in Q3 2022, compared to 13% in the year ago quarter. Year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter revenue increases are driven by our subscriber solutions category which makes up 39% of revenues compared to 34% in Q3 of '21 and 46% in the previous quarter. The newly introduced technology category optical networking solutions include the optical networking or cloud interconnect portfolio of ADVA and contributed 35% of revenues. Access and aggregation revenue share was 26% compared to 66% in the year ago quarter and 54% in Q2 of 2022. On a regional basis year-over-year, domestic revenue grew by 85% and international revenue increased by 270%. Domestic…

Okay, thanks, Mike. All right, Brett, at this point, we're ready to open up to any questions people may have.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question calls comes from Paul Silverstein with Cowen.

Tom and Mike, the last week, Thursday night, you had Viavi talking about weakness in particular in their test -- their field test equipment, I assume directly related to FTTP. And they indicated the weakness was general in nature. I heard that offline they were saying AT&T moving, perhaps some others. It raises an obvious concern. I trust from your comments, it certainly seemed to be suggesting that you're not seeing that weakness. But let me ask you the direct question. Are you seeing -- are any of your customers, especially the larger ones indicating to you a coming pullback, cutback, however you want to term it, of any nature that would adversely impact future revenue?

No, no. The answer is no. In fact, we have of course hundreds and hundreds of customers. There are -- I will tell you that at any point in time, some customers are pulling back or moving forward. There are some that are worried about capital, there's always this capital shift that goes on towards the end of the year, which sometimes helps you and sometimes hurts you. But those are in the noise, especially when you take a look at the backlog we have. So those are in the noise. And explicitly towards the large customers, the answer is no.

Mike, if I heard you correctly, I think you said the balance sheet was $111 million of cash, didn’t have any chance to look directly. Was that the number?

That's right $111.1 million.

Let me -- I think you publicly stated that you plan to take out the remaining shares of ADVA with cash. I understand it's not going to happen overnight. It's probably still your plus to fully accomplish the full acquisition. But it begs the obvious question, you've only got $111 million. If I do the basic back of the envelope math, it's about 350. The direct question would be, I assumed, you don't want to raise debt financing at these interest rates, that begs the question, the only way to do it, I guess would be for you all to do a secondary, no?

Well, that's not the only way to do it. But that is one possibility. We have lined up the debt to do it, the numbers a little bit less than what you said, it's closer to 300 right now to take out the rest of them with the current offer price, the put price in the DPLTA agreement that is still working its way through approval by the ADVA's shareholders. So the plan has been to do it with debt, to do it with earnings from the company. But also there are other options that we will explore.

I think we secure the debt just to make sure that we have a backstop that allows us to have flexibility. But as we get closer to those periods of time, we'll make the call as the question comes up.

One more from me. Tom, going back to the quarterly question of how is the ramp at the various Huawei displacement opportunities both ones you've already secured like B2C that ae already ramping, as well as any update you can give us on the number of awards that might have converted, or the number of RFPs or other opportunities that might have converted into awards? And the remaining outstanding RFPs that haven't yet been awarded? Any update would be appreciated.

Yes, there are a handful that we have won that we are in the process of say monetizing, that may be a strong -- maybe a tough word, but it's really coming online and then monetizing. I think this quarter we gave ourselves some time. Between where we are now in the end of Q1, we expect roughly four new European -- these are all Tier 1, so these are -- some countries are bigger than others to start ordering and deploying. Now that will take some time to ramp up. But those seem to be going well. Our biggest -- we are launching -- I mentioned in my notes that we're launching the 6330, which is a new generation of disaggregated fiber platform that allows 10-gig and really high density, really low power, it's just a fantastic platform. So that's just starting to come out. We will start first production of that at the end of this year is what's scheduled for right now. We will start lab entry and we've already started lab started lab entry with some of our current generation product. But, the key to that being really coming online is the successful deployment of the 6330, which really changes kind of the economics of fiber deployment in that larger space. So those kind of coincide with each other. But anyways, a handful of them will come online between now and the end of Q1. There are a couple more after that will, which will happen, probably in the Q3 timeframe. And there are -- asked that question this morning, there are about four different kinds of very large Tier 1 opportunities that are kind of in play over the next let's say three quarters or so that haven't been decided yet.

Tom, so four options that haven't been decided, four brand new awards, and can you remind us the number of awards previously were how many?

We had six Tier 1s in Europe, one Tier 1 here. The four -- so we have two that were modified. So that's really those four, the additional four.

So it’s four being new relative to what you previously shared with us?

No, new relative to what we're shipping, right? But not new relative to what -- I'm talking about -- basically, of the six, four are coming -- the other four are coming online between now and the end of Q1.

Coming online being initial revenue.

Initial revenue, yes.

You mentioned they're all different sizes. Are any one of those four -- are they what Tier 1 of the type of a BT and DT, that type of Tier 1?

Honestly, nothing is as big as DT, BT at this point in time, because they're doing a lot of things at one time. They're kind of in the tier -- I would say they're probably slightly -- some of them -- the bigger ones are right in the DT or slightly below that range but it's a little lumpy. So some of them have some Huawei replacement thing, projects that are coming online fairly early, some of them have them geared towards the end of the year next year. So it depends on the carrier, and then there'll be periods of time where they pop up, and then go back down to a normal runway. So it's really hard to categorize them. In the light, in the total span, BT and DT are still the biggest things out there.

But Tom from the way you just described it sounds like in the aggregate those are worth at least in the 10s I assume collectively $50 million to $100 million type range if not more?

I don't know if I go that far, I would say we think about them in the 10s. Yes.

Individually or collectively?

Individually, someone will be 10, someone will be a 8, someone will be 15 and someone will pop up to 20 when they do a big replacement.

I appreciate the responses. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Your next question is from Fahad Najam with Loop Capital.

One, if you look at ADVA as we're trading the full year outlook, then it sounds like for the fourth quarter, your organic guidance is slightly a bit lower than what I would have anticipated given the improving supply chain outlook and the backlog that you're carrying. Can you maybe parse out a bit about what you're seeing in terms of the supply chain dynamics? And regarding your ADTRAN organic guidance of fourth quarter? And I have a couple follow-up.

Let me take a stab at this and then Mike can take. I mean, I don't -- I would be surprised -- we have our internal projections of what we think the mix will be. Q4 is coming out pretty much where we were hoping Q4 was going to come out. So I'm not sure what your numbers are versus kind of what our numbers are. But it's pretty much right in line. We're still assuming -- supply chain is getting better, but it is not -- we're talking about the overall environment. There are specific things that are still difficult, and we're assuming that, that difficulty doesn't cure itself this quarter. I mean, really -- my comments are really, kind of as we move going forward, I do absolutely think that by the half of next year, most of those issues will have been solved. But the environment -- although the number of parts is less the criticality of the individual parts is as high as it's ever been. So we're really expecting an environment that's very similar to what we saw in Q3, which was very similar to Q2. But I don't know what the disappointment is on -- from your numbers, because, like I said, we're pretty much right where we expect to be.

If I may -- can you maybe discuss a little bit about what you're seeing between the Tier 1 and the Tier 2, the Tier 3 in North America? I suspect, even if we take Viavi’s comments at face value, which relates to primarily Tier 1s, one of which is not your customer, I still think that Tier 2, Tier 3 CapEx outlook is really solid. So maybe can you just talk a little bit about what you're seeing between the Tier 1, the dynamics between the Tier 1 and Tier 2, Tier 3 in the U.S. and also in EMEA?

Yes, really no change in EMEA. Just broadly speaking, there's really no -- there's been no change at all in the U.S. I'm not familiar with the Tier 1 that Paul mentioned as far as what their explicit activity is, because we don't really sell to that customer. Our other Tier 1 here in the U.S., and not just that, but excluding the MSO space really hasn't slowed down at all. So in fact, our Tier 1 in the U.S., we had just started ramping. We've gotten orders on top of that initial ramp. They've upped their forecast for next year. So I haven't seen any slowdown there. If you go down to the kind of the next tier down, you always see in that space towards the end of the year, movements in capital this way or that way, depending on where they are in their program. So I don't see anything that's systemic there. I have some customers that are doing more. I have other customers that are doing less. But in aggregate, no material change from what we normally see. And all of this, by the way, I still have a backlog that everybody's asking me to ship. So it really isn't that impactful over the near-term. The longer term, we will read about the recession as much as everybody else does. We think some -- we think a lot of the momentum here, there's tiers that a recession would impact. The government spending piece seems to be very, very solid. The kind of larger carrier initiative piece seems to be very, very solid. Most of these people, their definition of success and that is how they -- how quickly they deploy broadband and the take rates seem to be going way above expectations. Tier 3, no real change in the Tier 3 space either. So, I'm not saying that there aren’t pockets. I don't know if these pockets are because changes in capital, long-term capital spend, or because of kind of near-term capital forecasting, and where they are in budgets. But in general, the environment hasn't changed. I will tell you, I worry like everybody else about what a longer recession would do to the macro economy and then into the vertical that we play in. But right now, haven't seen it.

One last follow-up if I may. So if you look at 2023, you still have these significant stimulus funds that are yet to blow, RDOF is just trickling, and the cable MSOs are beginning their DOCSIS 4.0 upgrade cycle. So how are you thinking about calendar '23? I know you're mindful of the recession, but shouldn't your -- especially your Tier 2, Tier 3 and Tier 4 customer segments and the cable segment should really be more resilient in the face of a macroeconomic environment?

Yes. I mean, if you think about how recessions impact these things, first of all, broadband is pretty much up there close to electricity. I don't mean to be overstating that. And I don't mean to offend anybody, but it's pretty much a requirement. So, I think it's a very resilient piece. I think there are pieces, where you have companies that are themselves betting on capital markets in order for funding. Those are the ones that you have to watch out for. I think enterprise spending, you tend to see a downtick in enterprise spending, when you have these type of problems. But the longer term impact to capital budgets on the carrier side, they tend to take a long time to come to fruition. So I think, the depth of the recession is important. If those of you that will remember, kind of the last recession was when we -- during the financial crisis, or at least the last one that really kicks into my head, and the companies -- the company was very resilient during that period of time and yes, I don't expect to change here. I think we'll just have to watch it though. The depth is really the thing that I would worry about and -- but right now, we don't see it.

Your next question is from Michael Genovese with Rosenblatt Securities.

Have you given or can you give the total ADVA revenue that was recognized in the quarter?

Yes, we can. I’ll just give you a percentage of the total. So for the total quarter revenue, ADTRAN was 52% and ADVA was 48%.

And now, is this the -- is the ownership structure pretty set? I mean, ADTRAN is going to continue to have a separate conference call every quarter and the income attributable to non- ADTRAN shareholders is going to stay about the same percentage or will that change going forward?

I mentioned -- I think I mentioned the details. Did I mention the details there Tom?

Yes. I can answer. So, Mike, there is a plan to work our way to a domination agreement. And I think you might have seen some of the releases that came out with that. But it needs to be approved at the shareholder meeting of ADVA, which is now scheduled for the 30th of November. After that agreement, and there's other things that we will be able to do to move the profits away from the ADVA entity and over toward the ADTRAN entities. They will continue to have a conference call as long as they're traded, at some point in the future there would be a delisting offer and would actually delist those shares. But that kind of goes back to the same question that Paul asked earlier about our plan is actually to buy up the rest of those shares. And then that would be a wholly-owned subsidiary of ADTRAN in the longer term.

Okay, great. So you've been asked, am I going to ask again about the macro risk to sort of ADVA's European, metro and sort of enterprise optical revenues. I think you've answered that pretty clearly and pretty bullishly I would say. But it looks like overall, out there in the supply chain that optical does seem to be the most supply constrained. I mean, that's the message from Nokia and others who play in multiple areas that some of these analog parts specifically needed for optical are the most supply constrained. Is that what you're seeing? Because I mean the performance there looks pretty good. So do you have any insight on how they're managing that maybe better than some of the larger companies in the optical networking space?

I would say in general, the ADTRAN is managing it better than some of the other players in the optical space. They still have issues. The majority of the issues that I see and that I think we see collectively are not specific to optical. I think they're -- first of all, there are still these issues associated with power supply, analog devices that aren't specific to the optical space. And then there are kind of key processors. They have some key processors and we have some key processors, which are still at my biggest issue this quarter, it has typically been kind of glue logic, I now have some very specific processor issues. And they have some very specific processor issues that they're working through this quarter. So I don't think that the issues on the ADVA beside or any deeper, materially different than the issues that we're seeing on the ADTRAN side.

And in the combined company, they are still affecting our gross margins. I think in the past I've tried to lay out the impact on our gross margins, and although it is improving somewhat, it was still nearly 3.5 percentage points that was due to purchase price variation, expedite fees and freight costs that have been elevated. Now, the bright spot so far is that freight is finally moving in the right direction, but the other ones, there’s still a pretty good amount of flow through of additional costs that we're paying to be able to obtain those components on the timeframes that are needed.

Your next question is from line of Ryan Koontz with Needham & Company.

Wanted ask about your different product areas. It sounds like Tom from your remarks that subscriber solutions is the one maybe outperformed where the upside came from is. And is that more demand related or is it kind of alleviating of the supply chain constrictions? Can you make any commentary and kind of put some takes on the quarter and kind of how you think about the products going forward would be helpful?

I think -- I don't have my notes in front of me, but I think I mentioned on last quarter that we saw that the subscriber solutions was probably the area where we had the most work to do. We needed to get the stuff to ship and we needed to have more focus into that area to make sure -- once customers get a network employed, it's really important for them to be actually turn customers on to that network, for obvious reasons. So we are really focused on that and saw really good movement there this quarter. So that was I think by far the biggest kind of year-over-year increase for the company. We've always had -- we've had plenty of backlog in that area for a long time. So it was a matter of us -- the demand still seems to -- was still strong, but it was a matter of us kind of clearing out some of that backlog and moving that number in the right direction to help customers. I would call it more of a product call than anything significantly shifting in the space.

And are you seeing any help on the kind of share side where you may be able to execute a little better than some of your peers and able to take share in any cases in this case, able to ship?

Yes, but the share is really the way it has been happening, maybe a little bit different in Europe. But in general, the way the share happens is that share is kind of given to you as you win the OLT business. So as you win the infrastructure piece, then most times they're going to move forward with your ONTs and many times if not most times your RG as well. So this was kind of share that we have been winning, and it's just a matter of us being able to monetize that share.

And just a quick clarification on Jim's comment earlier -- or Mike's earlier about 350 basis points impacting your quarter from supply chain, expedites and such that hurt?

That's correct.

Your next question is from line of Paul Essi with William K. Woodruff & Company.

I wanted to talk a little bit about ADVA’s competitive position. I know that they've concentrated their focus on from the core to the edge where some of the larger players have not put as much resources in that area, mostly concentrating on the long haul. And I was wondering how this is going to affect ADVA’s competitive position down in that space from basically the core to the edge given their spending? And also how does the encryption and their security expertise fit into this, first of all? And then secondly, if maybe -- I know you touched on it Tom. Maybe you can give us a little bit more color on this 100ZR that you jointly developed and what that might mean for revenues going into '23 and '24? And also who the customers that you may be selling that to? And also, if you could touch a little bit about the AccessWave as well? And I have a follow-up.

That's a bunch of questions. All right. So let me, I'll cover the ANS piece first. So, ANS is actually stands for ADVA -- what was it Mike? ADVA…

Network Security.

Yes, ADVA Network Security. So when we combined the companies, we of course had to have government approval from both -- from several different countries. And this was a piece of that negotiation with the German government in order to make sure that the technology that is being used by the German government has the right security level for them to continue to use that. The technology that's coming out of that group is something that can be used by the entire company, although there’s still kind of a real wall between what’s done for different companies, not being similar to what happens here in the U.S., by the way. So this was a means for us to be able to continue that development, continue German, which is -- Germany, which is an important customer, and actually allow us to get to a another level of security within the government to actually enhance sales. So over time, we think it's a very good move, it's a very profitable move as well. And they really have differentiated security in that vein. So this was just -- it was part of the merger, it was something that I think was going to happen anyways, because I think it made sense for ADVA. But it kind of open up different revenue streams and different technology streams that we wouldn't have had in the past. In relation to how these things flow and what ADVA's focus has been, I tend to think of them as last mile of metro edge is kind of where their kind of hotspot is in relation to optical. The reason they were a good fit for us is that's exactly where our customer base is looking at augmenting at this point. Their network as they kind of finish out these last mile networks that they're building -- I shouldn't say finish out because we're a long ways to go, but as they increase the capacity requirements of those last mile networks, they need to be able to aggregate and efficiently transport that traffic. So that's kind of where their sweet spot was. And we're already seeing cross selling opportunities across both companies where they dovetail each other. They have a very good product, a very competitive product. And we feel good about where that's at. Mike, you get the information on the 100ZR.

Yes, that product actually is commercially available next year. So I really can't tell you what the revenues are at this point, but it will fit in for service providers, as well as MSOs as the market that it's targeted toward. So we'll have more information to come on that as it's released.

The other follow-up question, again, is on the SaaS subscribers. Is there anything that you can share with us? I think you were at 1.3 million, 1.4 million something like that at the end of June. Can you talk to that at all and give us a little flavor of how that's going, maybe some hard numbers?

When you think about SaaS subscribers, let me put it in the way that we actually have the numbers for it. So you can think about SaaS subscribers as a fallout to SaaS carriers, right? And our SaaS carrier growth was up 31% year-over-year this quarter. And that's been about the rate that it has been ticking along. So SaaS customer growth will typically outpace SaaS carrier growth, because in fact, it will outpace, right, because you have new customer carriers coming online, plus you have the older carriers being more mature and adding more subscribers to their network.

I was trying to focus on the actual number that your customers have signed up of their subscribers. Do you have anything available on that? Just the actual paying customers that goes up to the list?

I don't have that growth rate on that number, Mike. I know it's well in excess that you mentioned before. And I mentioned before, it's over 1 million and 1.2 million. Actually, it's closer to 2 million at this point but I don't know if I have that, I don't have that number in front of me.

Your next question is from line of Tim Savageaux with Northland Capital Markets.

I want to make sure I get this one in there, which is if you can address kind of where you expect the tax rate to go over time, seem kind of bouncing around. But that's not my main question. But I want to make sure I don't forget it. Where I did want to focus is on the kind of ADTRAN organic front. As has been discussed before, looks like subscriber was driving the growth, you actually saw access and aggregation down a bit, both sequential and year-over-year. Wonder if you could address dynamics there for the quarter? And then as you look at the guide, it looks like organically, you're guiding down a bit sequentially from an ADTRAN perspective. Is that just really normalizing that supply catch up on the subscriber side? Or how do you expect things to break down between -- do you expect any growth on the access and aggregation side in Q4?

Let’s start with the tax and then we can move to the other piece. So you're right, our tax rate has bounced around a lot as we've gone through the quarters this year. And you saw the 42% effective rate there on a non-GAAP basis in Q3. I would expect that going forward that for the year, estimating that it's probably going to be about in the high teens, which is a little lower than what we had said previously, so probably high teens, somewhere sub 20. But to get to that rate for the year, I think for Q4, we will still have an elevated tax rate that won't be -- something similar to what we saw in Q3. So if you look at the total year and adjust that out, you actually end up with something that's probably also in the low 40s again. And then as moving into the next years, I think you're a lot better off to try to model it somewhere at just under 20%.

In relation to the guidance, I mean the guidance is basically flat, which is as you probably know, if you follow us typically, we see a down Q4. So like I said it's pretty much in line with what we expected it to be. In relation to aggregation, we have a lot of irons in the fire there. We have backlog that would allow us to actually materially grow that number from this base. We're also trying to still get a lot of CPE out the door, a lot of the subscriber solutions pieces out the door. And then we really have a ramp up of this 6330, which is kind of a critical wrap up for us, which should start at the end of the quarter. So, I mean we have a lot of different ways to get there. But I can't tell you explicitly what that aggregation number is going to look like at this point.

You're not next question comes from Paul Silverstein with Cowen.

Three questions if I may. ADVA, going back to macro concerns, ADVA, correct me if I’m wrong, historically, they have derived about 30% I think of their revenue from enterprise with a bulk of that I believe being in Europe consistent with them being headquartered in Europe, and having done a good job in Europe historically. One would think that European enterprise would be most at risk from macro. Again, it doesn't sound it from your guidance, but I got to ask, any signs of weakness? And then I got two other quick questions.

No, a lot of that is kind of their Ethernet product. And just no, the answer is no, I mean from any way you look at it. I won't tell you that it won't be impacted. But I will tell you, we haven't seen that impact yet.

Going back to the Mosaic SaaS number you gave or the SaaS number, that was number of carriers, was that the 31% year-over-year increase, your revenue -- of your service provider customers that have adopted?

That's correct. And breaking this down to subscribers is -- I mean, we can’t do that. We just haven't done that.

And I assume also by extension, that if we spoke in terms of revenue, you can't share with us -- well, I assume the numbers are very small at this point?

If I look at my software and service number, which includes contracts associated with software and maintenance, the number is getting to be -- the growth rate has been solid for the last two years. But I don't think it's going to be too far to where we actually start just breaking those numbers out, so you can see them. I'm looking for stability, and I'm looking for longer term. The key -- as I want to be confident about the growth rate and kind of where we are with that product line before I start -- and making sure that there were in a mature place there and I don't think we're quite there yet.

Well, less than $10 million a quarter?

No, no. Of dollars?

Yes. I assume…

Yes, it's over -- our software in SaaS number.

Right. It is over $10 million, but that is not just SaaS.

Yes, that includes software.

That’s the whole software category.

Software and SaaS, over $10 million. Yes.

All right. I will move on the last question. Mike, on the gross margin progression, you all have seen a more significant recovery than most, but you were also in the more severe in terms of the impact of supply chain, initial impact in getting hit. And my question to you is looking forward, any thoughts on how far how fast you can get back to the low-40s from whence you came? And I understand now there's add in the mix. But their margin structure if I remember on a like for like basis, I’m using U.S. non-GAAP, was actually a little bit better, I think than your margin structure. And one last point in connection with the question, correct me if I'm wrong, but subscriber solutions has got a lot of different products including software in there. But I assume the dominant revenue is from your relatively lower margin for absolutely low margin ONT platforms that you refer to as being a big part of the year-over-year growth, which is counterintuitive, given a nice rebound you saw. I guess another way stated is, you put up strong growth or strong recovering gross margin notwithstanding what I would think would be the negative drag effect of that big increase in ONT revenue, which is encouraging all things being equal. But any insight you could share Mike on what happened to the quarter more importantly…?

Let me make the first half of that, which is on the second part of your question, your first one that is fairly insightful. Yes, we did ship a lot more CPE on purpose. And yes, they -- we were able to come up with pretty decent gross margins on what is typically a very low gross margin mix. I would tell you that has been absolutely helped by the software sales associated with that piece, which was impactful. And then there's a secondary help, which is some of the functionality including things like 10-gig are also helpful. But in general, yes, it was a pretty good quarter from a gross margin perspective for subscriber solutions. Mike, I don't know if you want to cover the first part.

Yes. So Paul, some of it was mix, but you heard me say that there's about 3.5 percentage points of still headwinds. I think when I reported last quarter, I was at about 4.6 if I recall, at 4.7. So it's definitely moving in the right direction. The biggest improvement so far has been in freight and logistics, where rates are starting to fall and things are starting to free up. As far as paying extra fees to be able to get components, I think you heard Tom say there are fewer issues, but there's still some big issues that all have to be resolved and worked. So I think overall, that's moving in the right direction, we're seeing fewer and fewer of the broker buys and excessive payments to be able to hit components. Now, some of that’s still on the balance sheet. So it will -- for ones that we may have purchased in prior quarters at higher costs, that will bleed off over time as we go. But I think you saw pretty good improvement in the quarter moving in the right direction. We do have a different headwind, but we've had for some amount of time and that's just the FX issues if you tried to just look at that over the last quarter, and say what was the effect on gross margin on that one? It's almost 2 percentage points, maybe a little bit less than that. So I think that one has somewhat stabilized at this point, but I think over the last quarters, we've seen that whole flow on the downward trend with the dollar strengthening as well. So I think we're just learning how to manage it all better as we go.

Mike, I know you didn't give guidance for gross margin, but any thoughts given all this puts and takes, any thoughts on whatever gross margin you can generate in Q4?

I think it may be just a bit stronger sequentially. I'm not expecting too much….

Think about it kind of in the same range of where we are right now.

Yes, I think your question was, when do we get back to 40, and I think I'm pretty confident as we go through next year we will continue to move in that direction and sometime in 2023 barring any kind of other craziness that happens.

We should have some mix improvement even though SS&E was pretty good, it's still not the same as what we get on the access and aggregations side. All right, anything else Paul?

Tom just to be clear relative to my statement, you expect to get back to the low-40s at some point in '23?

I think he said improvements. I'll let Mike answer that.

I think 40-ish or slightly above. Yes.

I mean, some of this unknown with what happens to the supply chain, but we're definitely heading in the right direction. Yes.

At this point, I see we are past time. So I appreciate everybody joining us for our conference call this quarter, and we look forward to talking to you next time. Bye, bye.

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