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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 14, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Resource Capital Corp., Q3 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Andrew Farkas, Chairman of Resource Capital Corp. You may begin.

Andrew Farkas

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. Thank you for joining the Resource Capital Corp., earnings conference call for the third quarter ended September 30, 2016. This is Andrew Farkas, Chairman of Resource Capital Corp., also sometimes referred to as RSO for its ticker symbol. With me today are Bob Lieber, the new CEO of Resource Capital Corp.; David Bryant, the CFO; David Bloom, Head of Real Estate at RSO; and Purvi Kamdar, our Director of Investor Relations. Before we begin, Purvi is going to read the Safe Harbor statement. Purvi?

Purvi Kamdar

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. When used in this conference call the words believes, anticipates, expects, and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Although, the Company believes that these forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, such statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in the Company’s reports filed with the SEC including its reports on the Forms 8-K, 10-Q and 10-K, and in particular, Item 1A on the Form 10-K report under the title Risk Factors. Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date hereof. The Company undertakes no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements. Furthermore, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this conference call. Our presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles can be accessed through our filings with the SEC at www.sec.gov. And with that, I’ll turn it back to Andrew.

Andrew Farkas

Analyst

Thank you, Purvi. As many of you know on September 8, 2016 C-III Capital Partners of which I am the Chief Executive Officer acquired Resource America the parent company of RSO’s external manager. To give you a little bit background on C-III. We are fully integrated real estate services and investment management company that I founded in 2010. C-III is also led by six other principles the team that has worked together for over 20 years each capitalizing on distressed opportunities in the commercial real estate states. Some of those opportunities were executed while operating Insignia Financial Group which I founded and to which I served as Chairman and CEO from 1990 to 2003. Insignia grew to become one of the largest real estate owner operators in the United States with over 350,000 multifamily residential housing units and over 200 million square feet of commercial real estate space across the U.S., UK, Europe, Asia and South America. C-III is a commercial real estate platform which has grown significantly since inception is extremely complementary to RSO’s primary investment strategies. C-III is an active commercial real estate lender having originated over $5 billion of loans in the last six years alone and an active CMBS investor having acquired bonds in CMBS trust with over $350 billion of underlying commercial real estate loans. C-IIIs platform also includes the following real estate businesses, which create important synergies throughout the family of C-III companies. First the top performing institutional investment management business with $4 billion of assets under management. Also one of the largest CMBS special services in the United States responsible for $70 billion of commercial mortgages. A multifamily residential property manager with approximately 60,000 apartment units under management. The largest network of owner operated commercial real estate brokerage firms with more than 6,700 local market experts on the ground. A leading online platform for commercial property and note investment sales and capital markets transactions that is close over $1.7 trillion in real estate asset and loan sales since inception and the largest only report company in the country. The granular level information obtained from our platform along with our real estate experience and expertise gives us the unique ability to identify and thoroughly underwrite investment opportunities in almost every market in the United States which is the core of how we plan to evaluate investment opportunities and build value for RSO and its shareholders. We understand RSO’s historical performance has been disappointing and frustrating for investors. Our team has experienced successfully repositioning companies or replacing management teams, stabilizing operations and creating investment strategies that grow bottom line earnings and shareholder value. We are confident in our ability to execute that plan which are about to walk through in detail and which will put RSO on a path for sustainable results and growth well into the future. With that, I'll turn this over to our CEO, Bob Lieber to provide some detail around our plan. Bob?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Thanks, Andrew. Good morning. My name is Bob Lieber. We are very excited to introduce our plan and vision for Resource Capital Corporation. We and C-III view RSO is a great opportunity for investors to participate in commercial real estate debt investments under our direction. We've been at the helm here a little over eight weeks now and have been carrying out an extensive review of RSO. This has included in-depth valuation of each of the various business lines, operating businesses and investments on RSO’s balance sheet. We recognized RSO has been a difficult commercial mortgage REIT for the market to understand and the financial results have not been what you want them to be. Key issues that we've identified have been brought up time and time again from analysts, investors alike include. There are too many unconnected business lines several of which were outside of the CRE mandate. Dividends exceed earnings, AFFO as a measure of sustainable operating performance may not be appropriate and leverage and the cost of debt is an excess of that of our peers. We and C-III hear you loud and clear. So what is our plan? Our plan candidly is to simplify the Company and make it more understandable for investors and improve the transparency of RSO’s performance. We're going to do this by disposing of underperforming assets, divesting non-core businesses and investing solely in CRE asset that produce consistent recurring cash flows and pay dividends out of earnings and not just out of cash that’s on the balance sheet. And we began our process started by evaluating the CRE loan portfolio for credit impairments and establishing estimated fair value adjustments for assets and businesses we intend to monetize, as well as to determine the impact of the strategy on our deferred tax asset.…

David Bryant

Analyst

Thank you, Bob. Our GAAP net loss eligible to common shares for the three months ended September 30 was $51.6 million or $1.69 per share. Our GAAP net loss for the three months ended September 30, 2016 includes four significant line items. First, and other than temporary impairment on securities available for sale and intangible assets of $25.3 million most of which is related to collateral in the legacy commercial real estate portfolio that underlies a securitization issued in 2007. Our security interest in that vehicle is supported by 12 CMBS positions and seven commercial real estate loans. As part of our ongoing credit evaluation of our investments, we obtained third-party appraisals with six of the loan collateral properties. The other loan value is supported by an agreement of sale on the real estate collateral. As a result of these appraisals, two assets, the first a property located in Tucson, Arizona and second a property located in Phoenix, Arizona each had assessed values below our loan basis causing a collective impairment charge to the cash flows of the securitization and thus loss recognition bias of $20.7 million. The impairment charge reflects the credit impact of the fair value of the security given the results of the appraised property values. The charge was calculated by comparing the previous projected cash flows of the security to the revised cash flows which included the results of the properties appraised. Second, provisions for two loan losses of $8.1 million were also related to the after mentioned real estate appraisals, a) on a property located in Studio City, California that had been previously supported by contract per sale, and b) on the same property in Tucson, Arizona where we had mezzanine tranche portion of the whole loan held outside the securitization. That loan was previously…

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Thank you, Dave. And just to reiterate for the fourth quarter we intend to pay a divided of $0.05 per share and we expect the dividend will remain at $0.05 per share per quarter for all of 2016 which again we believe will be a transition year. I believe that many of you will have questions and remind you that we've only been in this for a little over two months. We're still in the process of refining the strategies and approach that are most prudent for our stakeholders. And we want to be more thoughtful on our approach to answering the questions and concerns you will have. So we will be planning to have an Investor Day once we've made some additional progress with our plan. We believe in are very excited about the prospects for RSO and C-IIIs ability to contribute to RSO’s profitable growth and we're committed to maximizing shareholder value by streamlining and simplifying the Company, monetizing these legacy business lines and assets and deploying capital into commercial real estate debt and CMBS. We believe this plan will allow us produce sustainable earnings and pay out a consisted dividend. I want to thank each of you for joining the call today. We appreciate your support and patience as we work to improve the quality and the consistency of RSO’s performance. And with that, I will open up the call to a few questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. Your line is open.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Hi. This is actually Ryan Tomasello for Jade. Thanks for taking my questions this morning. Just in terms of the expected dividend, what level of core profitability does that new dividend imply for 2017? I realize you mentioned it would be a transitional year. Should we assume a lower payout ratio on expected core earnings in 2017? For example, do you expect any anticipated losses to shield you from having to payout 100% of earnings?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Ryan that is a great question and one we wrestle with a great deal here. We expect that 2017 is going to be a bumpy year and we may not have any REIT taxable income for calendar year 2017. We think it’s important to pay a dividend, but the dividend that we're paying is not one that’s targeted to a specific level of core earnings for 2017. The timing of the resolution of the monetization of these different assets and the redeployment of that capital into our business plan as you can all imagine is uncertain and we expect that again 2017 will be lumpy and we're optimistic that 2018 will be in a better path to report a core earnings metric to the market.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

And then just taking a high-level view of the strategic plan, can you provide us a summary of the non-core business lines that you would ideally like to exit the amount of equity invested in each and the capital that you would expect to potentially generate from sales, if you are able to execute them at prices that meet your internal valuation.

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Well I want to be very careful about putting targets on what we're going to sell and when we're going to sell it for. We have as I mentioned about 22% of the Company's asset book value within these non-core businesses and loans and we're going to look to monetize these at the best price we possibly can and not break out any specific allocations that we have to date any of those specific businesses. We don't want to prejudice our ability to sell assets for the highest value we can, but we actually go to the market to seek business.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

And then would it be reasonable to assume any declines in G&A as these sales take place over the next year? Could you lay out what core G&A is for the CRE lending business in particular?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

I think those are the kinds of things that we're going to talk more about on an Investor Day. It’s a little early for us to make those estimates today. A lot of these businesses as you’ve identified are embedded in your question carry a level of G&A associated with it. That if we’re successful in divesting and when we're able to successful divesting, should reduce overall G&A cost of the Company, but the details of that are things that we're still digging through today.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Okay, and just regarding the market overall. Can you characterize what you're seeing in terms of borrower sentiment quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year, and highlight any trends in loan spreads? And then just on credit quality, notwithstanding the legacy CRE book, which took some of the impairments and provisions in the quarter, how has credit migrated in the newer assets?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Well I think that overall we look at the market and think that the advantages to the lenders today, there is a lot of maturing debt out there that needs to get refinanced in 2016, 2017, 2018 and we see plenty of that from the position that we sit in see at C-III, the actual spreads and the volatility of the market. The credit we think is getting better, credit spreads and things like that, we’ll see how it goes as it plays out.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Thank you, Ryan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve DeLaney with JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Thank you, and good morning everyone and welcome to the C-III team. I'm curious, there was a lot to talk about in the press release, obviously, but I didn't pick up a lot of commentary about third quarter lending activity or current pipeline. Could you just comment on whether you are, today, actively lending through the RSO platform?

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

We are actively in the market searching for lending opportunities there. This is the spigot that you can't just turn on one day and immediately see loans originated the next day. We’ve got a little over $350 million of loan originations so far through third quarter of 2016. We have an active book that we're working today with lots of activity going on there, but it's too early to commit what we're going to end up for all of 2016.

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Got it. And the focus will – should we assume the focus will remain on senior floating rate loans, transitional loans?

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Yes. On the lending side, yes, we expect that we will be adding to the CMBS portfolio as we go forward to the balance of the year and going forward as a part of our business plan as well, Steve.

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Thank you, okay. Could you just talk a little more about the decision just say the – up top. I mean the concept of simplification, focus, transparency, all extremely important and we all totally buy-in on that from your end. Specifically, though, the decision to position the CDO 2007-1. I mean that's CMBS; it's CRE loans. It's nothing in there that you guys don't work with every day. Just curious about the decision to kind of deconsolidate that, get the retained equity interest there? Just get off the books and move on? If you could share any thoughts there as to why not hold it and work it out yourself?

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Well, the CDO and buys a lot of different assets in positions as you know note some of those assets are lower earning assets and we think the way the CDO and the waterfall works the return on equity is now what we hope to be able to achieve as we go forward. So we want to unlock that value and free the capitals that we can use to redeploy the lending business as we go forward.

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

So it's really one of these things of delevering and trap cash, is that kind of the way you view it?

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Exactly. The ROE is more attractive at formation, but as you get longer into the life of the CDO, the ROE on the positions we have is perhaps lower than we want as we’d say

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Got it. And we've certainly seen that across the industry with the legacy companies. And one final thing, if I could, and maybe this is too detailed, and you're not ready to talk about it, but like the concept of core. There's always been a lot of noise in AFFO. Are there one or two items – I'm just looking at your AFFO reconciliation in press release? Can you point us to one or two items that are included in this $12.9 million of AFFO that you would not look to include under a core calculation. I'm just trying to get to $0.42 of AFFO to a core figure that maybe is more in line with where you set your going forward dividend rate? Thanks.

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

I think that when we have our Investor Day we’ll walk you through what our proposed core earnings metric is going to be and what gets excluded and what gets included. There are lots of components to add. There is share compensation. There's debt costs that are realized differently, so we’ll walk through that to come up with a metric that we think measures what the performance of the business is.

Steven DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Okay. Well thank you for the comments this morning.

Robert Lieber

Analyst · JMP Securities. Your line is open.

Thanks Steve.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jessica Levi-Ribner with FBR & Company. Your line is open.

Timothy Hayes

Analyst

Hi guys. This is actually Tim Hayes for Jessica. What are your guys' priority now between preserving capital, growing originations, deleveraging the balance sheet? How do you guys prioritize those initiatives? Then also where does stock buyback now fit into the equation, with the stock looking to open at a meaningful discount to book value?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

As we sit here today we don't have any plans to continue with the stock buyback. We've invested I think a little over $35 million under the $50 million we were authorized to do initially, but we don't currently have any plans to buyback stock again using capitals that we want to use to deploy to growing the business. And our first objective is to get the origination business going, so that we can generate more earnings as we go forward and then monetize our way out of the different businesses as prudently and financially and physically as we possibly can. So I hope that answers your question with the priorities, but there's a lot of things to do, we’ve just been getting our arms around it today, but the timing of the monetization of these assets is something we're going to monitor closely, but it's really about taking the capital that we have and deploying this profitably as we can through the balance of 2016 and 2017.

Timothy Hayes

Analyst

Got it. And then just on a relative basis getting – once you're able to get through divesting everything that you want to divest and redeploy that capital into your core business segment, what is earning – do you expect that will be accretive to earnings power, obviously you guys are kind of shifting around how you're looking at profitability, but should we expect on a relative basis that it's accretive to earnings?

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Absolutely. Or we would be doing it.

Timothy Hayes

Analyst

Fair enough. Thanks guys.

Robert Lieber

Analyst

Thanks Tim. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Andrew Farkas for any further remarks.

Andrew Farkas

Analyst

I would like to thank everybody for dialing in. As you can see we've spent a tremendous amount of time over a very short period to develop the strategy here to take this operation forward and create the real estate investment trust of which you can be proud that is profitable, predictable and as it consistently growing dividend. We're also focused on growing our book value by building the commercial real estate investment portfolio and as you heard from Bob divesting of certain non-core businesses as prudently and quickly as we possibly can. C-III and the principles of C-III have a tremendous amount of experience in fixing things like this. We're extremely optimistic that we can do that here and expect to do that over the course of the balance of this year and through 2017, so in 2018 we could start seeing the results of that which we’re speaking today. With that, I think we'll stay so long for now and then expect to hear from us shortly including about the Investor Day that Bob spoke about. Thanks for dialing in.