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Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 9, 2021

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Operator

Operator

00:04 Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss Synalloy’s Financial Results for the Third Quarter Ended September thirty twenty twenty one. Joining us today are Synalloy’s Chairman of the Board, Ben Rosenzweig; Interim President and CEO, Chris Hutter; CFO, Aaron Tam, at the company's outside Investor Relations Adviser, Cody Cree. Following their remarks, we'll open the call for your questions. 00:38 Before we go further, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Cree as he reads the company's Safe Harbor statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of nineteen ninety five that provides important cautions regarding forward looking statements. Cody, please go ahead.

Cody Cree

Management

00:59 Thanks, Jeff. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining our conference call to discuss Synalloy’s third quarter twenty twenty one financial results. Before we continue, we'd like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward-looking statements pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Synalloy advises all of those listening to this call to review the latest 10-Q and 10-K posted on its website for a summary of these risks and uncertainties. Synalloy does not undertake the responsibility to update any forward-looking statements. 01:41 Further, the discussion today may include non-GAAP measures. In accordance with the Regulation G, the company has reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP-based measurement. The reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier today and posted on the Investors section of the company's website at synalloy.com. Please note that this call is available for a replay via a webcast link that is also posted on the Investors Section of the company's website. 02:07 With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Synalloy's Chairman of the Board, Ben Rosenzweig. Ben?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

02:15 Thank you, Cody. Good afternoon. Over the course of the past few months, I believe we've continued to make strides on our journey to create value for all of our stakeholders. We said from the beginning that we had full conviction in the attractive economic characteristics of our core businesses and that changing the leadership and strategic oversight could help us return to profitable growth. 02:36 I firmly believe the actions we've taken to date against the backdrop of favorable market conditions have enabled us to get a jump on our long term goals. It won't always be as linear as it's been over the past few quarters. And the last thing you'll see from us is self-congratulations, but I do think it's important to quickly pause and examine the amount this team has accomplished in a short period of time. 02:59 Since beginning to implement our desire changes just over one year ago, we've been able to dramatically improve our liquidity position with the new credit facility, we've appointed new leaders across the entire organization with relevant industry experience and expertise. The business has produced multiple consecutive quarters of profitable growth and we acquired a leading specialty chemicals manufacturer to bolster our Chemicals platform. 03:26 This amount of change is never easy, but a company of our size can't afford to be stagnant and in order to capture the growth opportunities, I see ahead of us we will need to continue to hustle and innovate. 03:38 I'd like to take a moment to highlight our recent acquisition of DanChem, which Chris will discuss in more detail. DanChem is a great example of an investment we're willing to make to ensure that we're solidifying our platforms with extended capabilities and bringing on additional executive talent. 03:56 It is an…

Chris Hutter

Management

05:41 Thanks, Ben, and thank you all for joining today's call. I spent about one year since I first joined Synalloy as Interim President and CEO, and I'm pleased with the progress we've made to date, including another quarter of strong results. While, we're only just beginning to scratch the surface of success, I believe this organization is capable of. I still want to thank everyone involved in helping us reach this point and continuing to execute on the strategies we have laid out. 06:04 During the third quarter, we experienced profitable growth across both our business segments with momentum from the first half of the year not slowing down. Customer demand maintained its strength that miss the strong pricing environment while our teams across the organization continue to drive operational efficiencies. 06:20 As discussed on our last call, we remain committed to ongoing refinement of our throughputs to ensure our production schedule is aligned with customer demand. We continue to work on this throughout the quarter, which had a positive impact on our customer relationships as well as our reputation in the market. 06:37 Getting high quality product out of the door in a timely fashion that meets or exceeds expectations is a critical component to our strategy. And as we work to meet our demand this quarter, our improving processes led to substantial year over year and sequential increases to net income, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. 06:56 Before we dive into each segment, I wanted to call out an important change we made to our executive team. In August, we appointed Aaron Tam as Chief Financial Officer. Aaron brings over twenty years of executive level experience in finance and accounting, having served in CFO roles across a variety of industries. Most recently, Aaron was the CFO…

Aaron Tam

Management

14:38 Thank you, Chris, and good everyone. It's an absolute pleasure to be joining you all today in my first earnings call as the company's CFO. Having been in the seat for the past few months, I've been able to get a good read on the entire organization to better understand our strengths and weaknesses. By serving in leadership roles in similar situations throughout my career, I have the utmost confidence in our plans to drive consistent sales and margin growth and I look forward to helping build long term value. 15:07 Now let's jump into our results. Third quarter twenty twenty one sales increased forty five percent to eighty six point two million dollars compared to fifty nine point three million dollars in the prior year period. The increase was attributable to strong commodity pricing and robust customer demand driving growth across, both the metals and chemical segments. 15:29 Gross profit increased significantly to eighteen million dollars compared to five million dollars in the year ago quarter, while gross margin more than doubled to twenty point nine percent from eight point four percent in the prior year period. The improvement in both gross profit and gross profit margin was attributable to the pricing power achieved as a result of outsized customer demand, along with operational efficiencies that accompany the elevated order volumes. 15:56 Net income in the third quarter increased considerably to eight point two million dollars or zero point eight seven dollars diluted earnings per share compared to a net loss of ten point five million dollars or one point one six dollars diluted loss per share for the third quarter of twenty twenty. Excluding a ten point seven million dollars non cash goodwill impairment charge in the third quarter of twenty twenty, net income in the third quarter twenty twenty one increased eight point one million dollars over the prior year period. 16:24 Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter increased nearly ten-fold to fourteen point eight million dollars and adjusted EBITDA margin also improved fourteen hundred and forty basis points to seventeen point two percent, both compared to the prior year period. 16:40 Lastly, at our liquidity position as of September thirty twenty twenty one, total debt was forty nine million dollars compared to sixty one point four million dollars as of December thirty one twenty twenty with fifty six point zero million dollars of borrowing capacity under our revolving credit facility compared to eleven million dollars at December thirty one twenty twenty. 17:02 With that, I'll now turn it back over to the operator for Q&A. Jeff?

Operator

Operator

17:09 Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of David [Sigfreud] (ph). Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

17:35 Hey. Congratulations Ben first and that was a fantastic quarter.

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

17:40 Thanks, David.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

17:42 So, with the acquisition you've increased chemical segment revenue by a third. Is the expectation in the plan as that happens that you will be able to allow the earnings to become more stable the entire company. Is that kind of the thinking?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

18:04 I think we see significant margin growth and ability within the chemical segment that tends to be less commodity driven from pricing environments. So, I see a longer term growth projection in our chemical segment as we balance out the portfolio.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

18:27 Got it. So it was mentioned that the DanChem operating results, eighteen percent adjusted EBITDA margin. So this quarter, chemicals -- Synalloy chemicals was about eleven percent. So how long would it take for as to kind of work together and integrate along for them to get their EBITDA margins up to that eighteen percent level, that's something that can happen a couple of quarters?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

18:56 I would say we're already working on it and have uncovered opportunities for accelerated margin enhancement. How that flows through the P&L and down to earnings? I think that's going to be seen and there is some investment we have to make on engineering and capabilities we have at our existing chemicals businesses that DanChem happen to have, but we're going to leverage resources and share knowledge. So versus us trying to do it from a greenfield, I think you'll see a ramp in accelerated achievement of some margin pickup.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

19:33 Good to hear. The fifty five acres that's now owned by Synalloy, is that going to be developed? Or is that something that can be like a sales leaseback where you're able to pull some cash out of that too?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

19:48 I'm not a fan of sale leasebacks. I would say, the operational flexibility you have owning assets where you have significant capital investments gives you much more flexibility owning the asset and expanding as needed versus being held -- hostage to a landlord. So, I believe we will continue to own that asset. Obviously, if you own the asset it gives you capital flexibility down the road to balance out a capital stack, but the business model DanChem has had has been very unique with partnering with certain OEMs to have capital from third parties invested in the facility to create the infrastructure and we plan to replicate their model going forward.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

20:33 Okay. Good to hear. You alluded to in the comments that steel prices maybe at some point may begin to fall and margins may begin to compress. So what do you have in mind to mitigate that risk beyond the operational efficiencies that you've been able to create?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

20:55 The margin impact you see from the metals business really is caused primarily from either being in a long inventory position or a short inventory position. The goal is to transform our business to a true mill structure where we are the producing mill of welded pipe and tube primarily and distribute to customer orders. 21:21 Historically, the business was built on create product based on what you think you can have throughput on your mill site and create inventory. Our goal is to produce to order to eliminate the commodity price risk. If you look back in time, our gross margins, if you take the fluctuations out, we have relatively consistent gross margins. So as we're transforming the business to a producer versus a stocking distributor, it's going to lessen the effect of significant swings in the commodity pricing environment.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

21:57 Got it. It make sense. The recent roll backs of the European tariffs on steel and aluminum is -- how will that affect Synalloy? Is that something to be determined so or –

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

22:10 Yes, when you look at stainless material coming in and there's really not much heavy wall material coming in, it's really -- we don't see any impact from those tariffs and it wasn't a meaningful amount of material, I think three million tons and nothing directly related to our end markets.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

22:29 Got it. Okay. One last question. So, January twenty twenty two is I think the third of your four liability earn outs drops off. And if I did the math correctly, you'll be freeing up close to about one million dollars a quarter. Any idea of what you're going to be doing with that extra cash?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

22:52 I would pay down debt. Aaron, I think you would concur.

Aaron Tam

Management

22:56 Yes. That's the plan.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

22:58 Okay. Very good. And by the way, excellent [indiscernible] last quarter. So good job guys. Thank you.

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

23:07 Thanks, David. Good to hear from you.

Operator

Operator

23:24 [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Mike Hughes from SGF Capital. Your line is open.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

23:31 Thanks for taking my questions. Couple on the DanChem acquisition. One, you acquired the corporate entity not the assets. Is that correct?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

23:44 We acquired the assets along with the entity, correct?

Mike Hughes

Analyst

23:49 Okay. So are there any legacy environmental liabilities to think about for that business that you've assumed?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

23:56 Yes, we had full diligence done on the environmental side and unexpected liabilities came up.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

24:06 Okay. And then it seems like that business is performing very well this year. Just wondering how sustainable that is. So kind of what did the margins look at like at DanChem in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty? And what was the level of revenue for those years?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

24:27 I don't know.

Chris Hutter

Management

24:28 It's been growing. No, I mean, it's been a growth story. I mean, I think that DanChem has been owned by private equity firm and they brought in leadership to turn the business around post acquisition as you would expect. And so it has been a growth story that we do believe it's sustainable with the processes investments that they've made in the business. 24:47 So it has been growing over the past three years, both from a top line and from a margin perspective, but we feel confident that it is sustainable.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

24:57 Okay. And then can the last caller had asked about the excess cash flow that you’ll be generating and you indicated to be paying down debt. So what -- do you still have an appetite for additional M&A, either on the chemical side or the metal side?

Chris Hutter

Management

25:17 Yes, we do.

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

25:18 Yes, absolutely.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

25:21 And there us one preference, I think you have pretty good market share on the metal side?

Chris Hutter

Management

25:29 We're going to be optimistic?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

25:31 I just say the same thing.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

25:33 Okay. Is there an active pipeline?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

25:38 Yes.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

25:40 Okay. And then where would you take leverage to? And how do you think about leverage? And what I mean by that, this seems like an exceptional quarter. I'm not sure how sustainable it is. So when you think about the leverage profile, would you haircut the current quarter or just maybe speak to the sustainability of this quarter along with the leverage question?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

26:03 Well, I'll start with the leverage and then Chris can talk about the sustainability. But I expect that we'll predominantly utilize debt in the near term, given its cost right now, while still maintaining a prudent level of leverage. 26:18 And I can't give you a specific number as to what prudent would be rather it's more of a dynamic target that takes -- it does take into account the cyclicality of certain portions of our earnings, as well as the near term cash flow expectations that we have, because we do -- we're not going to comment on some of the longer term cyclical nature of our business and what our earnings might do. We do have some level of visibility into our short term cash flow projections and earnings estimation. 26:48 So, Aaron told you about the availability that we ended the quarter with, we feel confident that that's a pretty good place we do know, and we're going to continue to generate cash. And as Chris said, the first use of that cash is going to be to pay down debt. So, when you feel confident in the near term that we will be utilizing debt and maintaining a pretty low level of leverage, but should we be confronted with larger opportunities outside of our leverage comfort zone, we will consider using our equity if we determine that the specific use of that capital meaningfully exceeds its cost.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

27:24 Okay. And then –

Chris Hutter

Management

27:25 And to touch on your earnings, your earnings question, when you look at the what I'll call, underperformance of Synalloy chemicals, I think there is a road map to sustaining a similar level of earnings that we saw in this quarter.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

27:44 Okay, great. So just a couple of detailed questions now. The corporate expense was up by roughly six hundred and fifty thousand dollars sequentially. Can you just speak to that?

Aaron Tam

Management

27:58 Yes, Chris, I can speak that. We had some severance expenses relating to some prior executives, that was the biggest driver that variance.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

28:10 Okay. And then the provision for losses on inventory was one point nine million dollars in the quarter if you look at the cash flow statement backed for the quarter. I assume that's for the metals division but why was it so large this quarter? And I guess that's actually deemed earnings pretty meaningful?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

28:29 That's said, I think – I anecdotally speak to that, that's getting basically scrapping inventory based on the old methodology of just produced pipe to produce pipe versus produce pipe to a customer order.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

28:44 Okay. Then you would agree with me. [Multiple Speaker]

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

28:51 No, it did weighed on earnings and it was -- hearing significantly aged material which is sitting on floor unsalable.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

29:02 Okay. So that should not repeat in the fourth quarter. Is that fair with everything you know right now?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

29:08 That's a fair statement.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

29:11 Okay. And then just the concept of becoming a producer versus stocking distributor, I think is a great idea, but I guess it largely depends on what your competitors are willing to do right? Because you'd be a competitive disadvantage if they're sitting a lot of inventory, the delivery times are going to be a lot quicker than yours. So just kind of speak to the competitive dynamic and maybe my thoughts on it are just wrong?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

29:33 No, I mean, the competitive -- that's a very good question. The competitive dynamic is -- we sell primarily to two large users. One is OEMs in general, so end users and the other is stocking distributors. We don't want to compete with our stocking distributors and that's what happens when -- if you build an inventory up, what you're supposed to be producing or Synalloy or Bristol, especially pipe and tube, AFTI is producing to a distributor stocking need, whether that be [indiscernible] Reliance, Olympic, [indiscernible] you go down the list. So, our throughput through our plants is built off of that customer need. 30:12 We don't want to be viewed as a competitor of their customer. And if we start stocking inventory up, well, what happens is, then you go to master distributors and you have to basically give your inventory a very poor and weak pricing.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

30:27 Okay. That makes sense. And then just one last question. I guess this is for Ben. 30:32 Chris has been at the company for almost a year now and he's still the interim CEO. So can you just address that issue?

Ben Rosenzweig

Management

30:40 Yes. I mean, I think that's something that we discussed at length very frequently at the Board level. Obviously, we're happy with the overall performance of the team and how it's functioning. And so that's something that the Board is considering in real time.

Mike Hughes

Analyst

30:59 Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

31:06 At this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr Hutter for closing remarks.

Chris Hutter

Management

31:14 Thank you, Jeff. Again, we'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call and we look forward to speaking with you again when we report our fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty one results. Thanks again. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

31:27 Ladies and gentlemen, this does concludes our teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.